Something new under the sun today from Newspoll, with The Australian ($) publishing the first set of aggregated breakdowns since the election. This would appear to be limited to the new-look poll that was launched last month, which has dropped its telephone component and is now conducted entirely online. Only two results have been published in that time, but there is evidently more behind this poll than that, as the survey period extends back to November 7 and the sample size of 4562 suggests three polling periods rather than two.
The results as published are of interest in providing never-before-seen breakdowns for education level (no tertiary, TAFE/technical or tertiary) and household income (up to $50,000, up to $100,000, up to $150,000, and beyond). Including the first of these as a weighting variable promises to address difficulties pollsters may have been having in over-representing those with good education and high levels of civic engagement. However, the poll gives with one hand and takes with the other, in that it limits the state breakdowns are limited to New South Wales, Victoria and Queensland. And it falls well short of the promised new age of pollster transparency, providing no detail on how the various sub-categories have been weighted.
The state breakdowns suggest either that Labor has recovered slightly in Queensland since the election, or that polling is still struggling to hit the mark there. The Coalition is credited with a two-party lead of 55-45, compared with 58.4-41.6 at the election. Their primary vote is 40%, down from 43.7%, with Labor up from 26.7% to 29%, One Nation up from 8.9% to 13%, and the Greens up from 10.3% to 12%. The Coalition lead in New South Wales is 51-49, compared with 51.8-48.2 at the election, from primary votes of Coalition 42% (42.5%), Labor 35% (34.6%) and Greens 10% (8.7%). Labor’s lead in Victoria is 53-47, barely different from the election result of 53.1-46.9, from primary votes of Coalition 40% (38.6%), Labor 38% (36.9%) and Greens 12% (11.9%).
Age breakdowns consist of four cohorts rather than the old three, and tell a globally familiar story of Labor dominating among the 18-to-34s with a lead of 57-43, while the 65-plus cohort goes 61-39 the other way. In between are a 50-50 from 35-49s and 51-49 to the Coalition among 50-64s. The primary votes are less radical than the recent findings of the Australian Election Study survey: the primary votes among the young cohort are Coalition 34%, Labor 35% and Greens 22%, compared with 37%, 23% and 28% respectively in the AES.
Reflecting polling in Britain, there is little distinction in the balance of major party support between the three education cohorts (UPDATE: actually not so – I was thinking of social class, education was associated with Labor support), contrary to the traditional expectation that the party of the working class would do best among those with no tertiary education. The Coalition instead leads 52-48 among both that cohort and the university-educated, with Labor leading 51-49 among those with TAFE or other technical qualifications. However, household income breakdowns are more in line with traditional expectation, with Labor leading 53-47 at the bottom end, the Coalition leading 51-49 in the lower-middle, and the Coalition leading 58-42 in both of the upper cohorts.
Leadership ratings turn up a few curiosities, such as Scott Morrison rating better in Victoria (46% on both approval and disapproval) than New South Wales (41% and 51%) and Queensland (43% and 51%). Conversely, Anthony Albanese is stronger in his home state of New South Wales (41% and 40%) than Victoria (37% and 42%) and Queensland (35% and 49%).
Laura Tingle writes (correctly) that Josh is as much to blame as anyone (such as Angus Taylor) for the lack of action on emissions.
C@tmomma @ #6096 Saturday, January 4th, 2020 – 4:18 am
Who’d want to hug the smug mug?
#poetryonpb
Since yesterday, for me this page is now as slow as the old pollbludger used to be. Just heavy traffic, I suppose.
Out of left field I had this thought. Imaging if we had had a FTTH NBN installed underground by now? Not Turnbull’s big green boxes on top of the ground which would easily melt in a fire. It would be so easy to rectify internet connections to all those places that have lost that, at the very least, as well as everything else. Instead I reckon it’s going to take a very long time to put those boxes back.
And look who finally slinked back into the country last night!
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They probably still have Canbera 2003 on the brain.
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Not unreasonably
Confessions
Too little too late for the Minister.
Weasel words indeed.
To quote from a classic 80s film with Arnie: ‘Resign or be prosecuted’
tingle.
Realistically, if our climate change “debate” was able to be weaned off whatever hallucinogenic drugs it has been on for the past decade, it would wake up in 2020 facing a very different balance of demands.
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It’s the journos and their bosses who were the pushers
DP,
Poetry is good. 🙂
BK:
That’s a great effort.
On what’s expected to be a dreadful day in fire risk areas, I just hope the advance warnings and planning pay off and there are no more lives lost.
Richard Flanagan uses his ablity with words to flay the whole government.
“As record fires rage, the country’s leaders seem intent on sending it to its doom.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/03/opinion/australia-fires-climate-change.html?action=click&module=MoreIn&pgtype=Article®ion=Footer&action=click&module=MoreInSection&pgtype=Article®ion=Footer&contentCollection=Maureen%20Dowd
“Realistically, if our climate change “debate” was able to be weaned off whatever hallucinogenic drugs it has been on for the past decade, it would wake up in 2020 facing a very different balance of demands.”
No hallucinogenic drugs, just disinformation, obfuscation and outright lies spread by vested interests, their polictial wing (the Coalition) and the Coalition’s propaganda wing (a.k.a. Newscorp).
Elliott acting as if it’s situation normal. And I bet Gladys doesn’t have the backbone required to bone him.
David Elliot, Emergency Services Minister:
“My absence over the past week was inexcusable. I should have put my RFS family (sic) first and foremost given the current conditions …. and now (sic) its time to get back to work,”
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He’s got more front than Mark Foys!
Despite it being “inexcusable”, he will be excused because Liberals can always achieve the impossible, when it comes to self interest!!
Imagine if we had a Liberal Government in wartime.! Luckily we never have.
You see, if you can leave all responsibility for just about everything to the states, you can preserve your precious surplus.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/government-rejected-major-air-tanker-expansion-20200103-p53onl.html
lizzie @ #6102 Saturday, January 4th, 2020 – 7:34 am
We had a little discussion about this last night.
123 pages and over 6000 comments.
We need a new thread.
For AR should you be about.
C+ needs a tweak to adjust for very long threads.
Tingle is right to make the analogy with GWB’s responses to Hurricane Katrina, with the one exception that unlike Bush, Morrison just doesn’t care.
“And look who finally slinked back into the country last night!”
Well at least he unreservedly apologised.
Good morning bludgers, I hope everyone who lives within 10km of an active fire front has their evacuation bag packed and waiting at the front door ready to go if conditions deteriorate, or perhaps have already moved into a larger centre
Fortunately the change came through here overnight so we will have top temp of 26 today
C#t:’Out of left field I had this thought. Imaging if we had had a FTTH NBN installed underground by now? Not Turnbull’s big green boxes on top of the ground which would easily melt in a fire. It would be so easy to rectify internet connections to all those places that have lost that, at the very least, as well as everything else. Instead I reckon it’s going to take a very long time to put those boxes back.’
Good point. Even if the green boxes don’t melt, they require electricity to operate. Another weak point. Fibre can work without electricity.
Good morning.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1212944657518194688
Steve777 @ #6117 Saturday, January 4th, 2020 – 4:53 am
I wonder how he’s going to explain it all when he inevitably faces the media live? It’s easy to find the right words when you’re doing it in the comfort of your own home with no audience and in writing when you can draft and re-draft however many times until you feel you have it just right. It’s another thing facing a live media pack with cameras and mics.
This is what it should look like when we have bushfires:
All full of water, fire retardant and fire spotters.
BK
That is wonderful. My aim is for between one and two thousand.
Morning bludgers
Feeling very apprehensive with respect to today’s fire conditions. My strong hope is that it goes better than expected.
GG
LOL+
Good to see that the fires have not restrained the creative juices.
Have just finished a raking and done a preliminary all round wetting, just in case. What was interesting was that with so little rain for the past four months the dust in our garden has become anhydrous.
So much obfuscation, so many lies. How naive were his fellow MPs, to elect him leader?
Scoot now telling lies about what the pregnant lady said and what he said she said.
Three in one: a bounder, a cad and a bastard.
BK
The Mark David series are a cracker, he’s on fire – so to speak
This bushfire crisis is really exposing how unfit Morrison is to be PM, not that we didn’t know that already. You can tell he really doesn’t care about people’s suffering and believes that this is all part of his god’s plan for them or something like that. The way he smirks his way through press conferences is sick.
It’s also exposing how urgent the need to act on climate change is, not that we didn’t know that already. I note that Albanese seems to have quietly ended the Queensland coal tour he was on last month. A wise move.
Honestly, Australia is so fucked if we don’t start addressing this right now. We already are! Half the country is on fire! If it’s like this already, what’s it going to be like in 10-20 years time? How about 50 years? The legacy of the right will be to leave a charred landscape behind for their children and grandchildren. They don’t give a toss about Australia, all they care about is doing the bidding of the elites and putting profit before the planet.
Thanks BK for the Dawn Patrol. Good news with the dinner.
I expect that you’ll have heavy requirement for “ouches” over the coming months.
This item from the BK Files ——-
According to Jennifer Duke the ABC’s extensive coverage of bushfires ravaging the country threatens to push the taxpayer-funded news organisation into more budget strife with emergency broadcasting events on track to double in 2020.
https://www.theage.com.au/business/companies/abc-under-growing-cost-pressure-as-bushfire-emergency-broadcasts-surge-20200103-p53ohp.html
—–reminded me of the continuing kicking the ABC get from “The Australian.”
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/auntys-radio-rules-the-waves-but-abc-tv-is-listing-badly/news-story/a0d3ecd28922d461b984cb7ccfe073cc
ABC gets a thorough kicking and the article finishes up with,
Thank Zeus that’s done with I’ve just about run out of bullshit and the boss said not to mention the continual cuts to ABC funding.And Gerard Henderson has a piece in The Australian today saying that the fires aren’t that bad.
😯
Morrison has gotten Murdoch to wheel out the big guns. 🙄
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-19/fact-check-year-ender-2019-angus-taylor-golden-zombie/11802536?section=politics
C@t:
JTI in the Oz bucks the trend of columnists over there!
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Hear hear!
Dan Andrews’s Tweets
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radio and local media have already saved thousands of lives.
And they’ll save thousands more before this crisis is over.
Thanks to all our emergency broadcasters out there for their commitment, professionalism and hard work.
Boerwar @ #6128 Saturday, January 4th, 2020 – 5:23 am
There are a few more descriptors I can think of for Scooty. None of them safe for a family site like this though.
From the Wall Street Journal
“The problem is our fire seasons are getting longer and longer,” said Ken Pimlott, who retired as the director of the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection in 2018. “We’re sort of competing, now, for the same resources on the edge of our fire season.”
The U.S. Forest Service plans to source all of its large air tankers from private contractors through 2022, according to a strategy paper published in 2018, a shift from previous years when it attempted to use repurposed search-and-rescue planes from the Coast Guard. This program was plagued by costly delays in converting the aircraft and was only intended as a bridge until private industry could meet demand.
Only a handful of contract companies operate large air tankers world-wide.
In the U.S., the forest service has contracts with 10 Tanker Air Carrier, Aero Flite, Aero Air, Neptune Aviation and Coulson Aviation.
Buying or leasing these highly modified and expensive firefighting planes isn’t as easy as sharing firefighters in the off-season—as the U.S., Canada and Australia have done for many years. It takes as much as a year to equip a firefighting plane, including getting certification from local aviation authorities to cut holes in the aircraft.
Australian authorities on Tuesday said they have requested additional specialist aviation equipment from the U.S. and Canada, as well as fire crews able to work in extreme conditions.
Canada-based Coulson recently expanded its Australian operations and is currently operating across three continents, with aircraft in Orange County, Calif., Chile and Australia. “It’s just one big fire season right now around the world,” said Wayne Coulson, the company’s chief executive. His planes are typically on contract in the U.S. from May through November. In 2019, the company’s first aircraft landed in Australia in August and it has been busy ever since. “We’re flying our butts off right now.”
BW
A friend of mine did some research into why flash flooding often follows fires. The water resistance of dry soils was a huge factor.
Jeez the Liberals get the spin cycle going fast! Via 2GB:
Denise Shrivell
@deniseshrivell
NSW Liberal Senator promotes radio program hosted by his daughter who is interviewing the son of the former local mayor & National Party member.
Everything’s fine & normal #auspol
Senator Jim Molan AO DSC
@JimMolan
Cobargo Pub owner David Allen’s view of those who heckled the PM yesterday. He was one of many on the spot asking me to pass his apologies to PM, saying they do not represent Cobargo.
lizzie @ #6133 Saturday, January 4th, 2020 – 5:29 am
Our Angus telling porkies. I’m shocked. Shocked I tells ya.
The ACT government has closed a number of roads accessing areas of bushland around the city and beyond. There is a lot of preparation for today after the experience of the 2003 fires.
The bushfire threat has now become a bit more personal for me. The pine plantations in the shadow of Mt Stromlo which were burnt have now become the location of new suburbs. Our daughter has a house there and there is a stricter building code to minimise the threat from fires, particularly airborne embers. Nonetheless the threat remains and the ACT government has gone in hard, urging all residents to have a bushfire survival plan. The plan can be downloaded at https://esa.act.gov.au/sites/default/files/2018-12/Bushfire%20Survival%20Plan%202018.pdf
Last night I learned that our suburb in the far south of Canberra was on the frontline to be affected if the fire(s) west of Kosciuszko were to cross Kosciuszko National Park and Namadgi National Park. The fire front is still about 100km away but the two parks have limited access. On the radio this morning the news was that there is no immediate threat but we will see what happens in coming days. (Hopefully!!) rain forecast for Monday will help across SE NSW.
C@tmomma @ #6135 Saturday, January 4th, 2020 – 8:28 am
NOooo Muriel, you can’t make me read that crap. Show some of the compassion left over from Mr. Morrisons’s comforting visits.
D M
I always think of Angus as a typical rich FIGJAM.
Bevan Shields
@BevanShields
Asked at a press conference whether he would stay in the job, NSW Emergency Services Minister David Elliott replies: “I came back to step up, not to step down.”
Extraordinary. Gladys Berejiklian looks furious standing next to him.
Not exactly filled with confidence 😆
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2020/jan/04/australia-nsw-fires-live-updates-victoria-bushfires-rfs-cfa-road-closures-near-sydney-melbourne-latest-news
This is at odds with what Fitzsimmons was saying some weeks back that ‘they had all the resources they needed’. Which put the lack of funding story to bed for a while.
Now?
Fitzsimmons is asked about a proposal put to the federal government for a funding boost to the National Aerial Firefighting Centre.
He confirms that the federal government is yet to back the proposal – and says that fire authorities need more funding certainty.
“We have had a business case in with the Commonwealth to increase that funding which will be matched by the stats and territories,” he says. “We haven’t seen a positive response to that business case.”
That business case has been with the federal government for 18 months. But he adds:
What we have seen is the equivalent of annual injections of funding over the last two seasons, last season and you heard the announcement with the Commonwealth injecting another $11 million. The business case was $11 or $12 million to have that capacity sitting here [each season].
And Fitzsimmons says that the RFS went to the NSW government and was able to buy its own dedicated air tanker after arrangements were established with the northern hemisphere. NSW is the only state that has been able to do that, he says, and it is able to share its assets with other states.
“We have national coordination arrangements. They work very well, but what we need is certainty around the funding going forward so we cans ecure better economies of scale and certainty around what we’ve got here and how we’re sharing it going into the future,” he says.
This do-nothing, lazy government.
PvO’s column today introduces us to David Elliott. What stand up guy he sounds like. Not.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/david-elliott-should-go-for-deserting-post-during-fire-season/news-story/e5965db5b6bdd66835d8b225b4afa441