Leave means leave

Mounting suggestions that the disappointment of Labor’s election defeat could prompt an end-of-year rush for the parliamentary exit.

By-election watch:

• In her column in The Australian yesterday ($), Niki Savva wrote that unspecified Labor MPs were convinced Mike Kelly would “be gone by Christmas and that his resignation could be the trigger for others such as Mark Dreyfus and Brendan O’Connor”. This raises the prospect of by-elections for, respectively, the famously marginal south-eastern New South Wales seat of Eden-Monaro (Labor margin 0.8%), the Melbourne bayside seat of Isaacs (6.4%) and the western Melbourne Labor stronghold of Gorton (15.4%). Savva also canvasses the prospect, noted here last week, of Eden-Monaro being contested for the Nationals by state party leader John Barilaro, who holds the corresponding seat of Monaro and is said to hanker for the federal leadership.

• A move to federal politics, successful or otherwise, by John Barilaro would also require a state by-election in Monaro. Labor held the seat from 2003 to 2011, and Barilaro eked out only modest wins in 2011 and 2015, before a 9.1% swing blew the margin out to 11.6% in March. That could just be the beginning of things on New South Wales by-election front – as Andrew Clennell of The Australian ($) reported yesterday, John Sidoti’s difficulties at the Independent Commission Against Corruption are likely to result in a vacancy in the safe Liberal seat of Drummoyne (margin 15.0%), and there are suggestions Labor MP Nick Lalich “might want to retire early” from his safe seat of Cabramatta (margin 25.5% against Liberal, 12.9% against independent Dai Le). There were also said to be rumours an unspecified Liberal MP was “suffering an illness”.

Latest from the event-packed preliminaries to the Joint Standing Committee on Electoral Matters’ inquiry into the federal election:

• A submission from the Australian Electoral Commission has raised the possibility that counting of pre-poll votes might begin before the 6pm close of polls on election day. This would address the growing issue of election night being a two-stage affair in which most of the election day booths are done counting by 9pm, while the larger pre-poll voting centres can be delayed by several hours beyond that.

• A submission from the Liberal Party has called for the number of pre-poll voting centres to be reduced ($), and the pre-polling period to be cut from three weeks to two. Labor’s submission has also noted a three-week period places “significant pressure on political parties’ ability to provide booth workers”.

• GetUp! remains in the sights of the Liberal Party, and indeed much of the conservative end of the news media, with the Liberals aggrieved that the organisation has escaped classification as an associated entity of the ALP, despite it targeting exclusively Coalition members.

• Labor is correspondingly unhappy with the Australian Electoral Commission’s determination that the Liberal election day advertising that has prompted the challenges to the Chisholm and Kooyong results is beyond the reach of the section of the Electoral Act dealing with “misleading or deceptive publications”.

• The Greens want political truth-in-advertising laws adjudicated by an independent body, campaign spending caps and fixed three-year terms.

• A submission from Facebook has sought to address Labor complaints that the service was used to disseminate misinformation about Labor’s plan for a “death tax” by saying “thousands of posts” making such claims were demoted to give them less prominence in their news feeds, thanks to the work of its “third-party fact checkers”. It also claims to have shut down two accounts for spreading fake news, without providing any further detail.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. Anyway, reading between the lines of The Guardian’s reporting of the genesis of the document, if, as Taylor is protesting in parliament, neither he nor anyone in his office doctored the City of Sydney Annual Report document, then it must have been done by someone outside his office and passed on to him to use.

    “$4,206.32” -> “$14.2″ and “$1,727.77” -> “$1.7″.

    At face value, the costs were doctored down, not up – where’s the “millions” coming from?

    Good job, Angus. Well done.


  2. RI says:
    Friday, October 25, 2019 at 12:16 am
    Tom Watson would make a good LOTO for UK Labour and a very good PM.

    He won’t get the gig until Corbyn decimates Labour. It’s first past the post in the UK. Johnson has dealt with the Tories leaking to the BEXIT party. It is not hard to see what is going to happen.

  3. I know that politics in the US and UK right now are fascinating. Like watching two train wrecks in slow motion, at the same time.

    But let’s get working on turfing out the Tories here at home.

    Isn’t anyone curious as to how the progressive center-left Liberals in Canada were able to reverse the rightist tide and resist the arguments that were so successful for the Conservatives in Australia in May.

    Admittedly, Justin Trudeau isn’t just another pretty face. But even with the bilingual and bicultural basis of the country, there must have been something that could be used the next time down here.

    How is it, that in a comparable British Commonwealth country (big, resource-rich and two thirds English-speaking) progressive political parties get more than 60 per cent of the vote, leaving a couple of right of center parties with less than 40 per cent.

    What can Labor learn from Monday’s election. There’s not much that we can learn from the current shenanigans in London and Washington in that regard.

    Here is an interesting take from one of the Tories’ senior advisors. ( GTA is the Greater Toronto Area and 905 is the telephone area code of the Toronto suburbs which are more likely to vote Conservative):

    “We should have dragged Scheer to a Pride parade. That hurt us in the GTA. Abortion hurt us in Quebec; same-sex marriage hurt us in the GTA.

    ” I also think the affordability narrative — we’re going to help people who are struggling — wasn’t really a hit in the GTA. I think that played well out West, where we kicked ass.

    “But I remember one day, I was knocking on doors in a suburban 905 riding, and our entire pitch was about affordability, and I suddenly realized that every single door I was knocking on opened up into a million-dollar home. Or $2 million, in some areas.

    ” We were knocking on the doors of all these people living inside gold mines and telling them we have a plan to help them with their economic anxiety. A lot of those people probably could use some help and might be living hand-to-mouth — I’m not saying affordability isn’t a problem in Toronto.

    “But as I went from million-dollar-house to million-dollar house, I started to worry that this narrative just wasn’t going to work in the Toronto area the way it would in Calgary. These people didn’t feel vulnerable; they felt lucky. If nothing else, it needed to be tweaked for Toronto. We didn’t do that.”

    And with that, I’ll sign out on this subject until 2023 when Justin will be trying for his third term, one shy of his Dad’s record in 15 years as Prime Minister.

    Interestingly, Pierre never won as many seats in any of his four wins as did Justin by winning 157 for a minority on Monday. However, that was at a time when there were 264 and 282 seats in the House of Commons as against the 338 today.

  4. House hearing room had to be ‘swept’ by law enforcement to ensure security after the Republican stunt

    The Sensitive compartmented information facility, known as the SCIF, had to undergo another security “sweep” after the Republicans staged their storming of the room Wednesday.

    Reuters is reporting that the House of Representatives Sergeant at Arms and other security personnel were responsible for doing the sweep before witness Laura Cooper could answer questions in the closed-door deposition.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/house-hearing-room-had-to-be-swept-by-law-enforcement-to-ensure-security-after-the-republican-stunt/

  5. Columnist issues a dire warning: Trump appears to be pressuring China into smearing Biden

    New York Magazine columnist Jonathan Chait warned that President Donald Trump is almost certainly working with China to generate conspiracy theory propaganda about former Vice President Joe Biden and his family.

    Peter Navarro, Trump’s economic advisor who crafted the China trade plan, wouldn’t deny that part of the Chinese trade negotiations is a demand that China announce an investigation into the Bidens, whether they actually intend to or not.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/columnist-issues-a-dire-warning-trump-appears-to-be-pressuring-china-into-smearing-biden/

  6. Here’s the exact law that may end Trump’s presidency

    Defenders of President Donald Trump have repeatedly claimed that the president can’t be impeached because he didn’t break any laws, despite the fact that Congress does not need to prove explicitly illegal activity to formally impeach a president.

    All the same, one official who served in the George W. Bush administration believes that the president very possibly did break federal laws against bribery with his attempt to shake down Ukraine to investigate his political rivals.

    Philip Zelikow, a history professor at the University of Virginia, has written an article on Lawfare outlining exactly why the president is in both political and legal jeopardy.

    Specifically, Zelikow cites 18 U.S.C. § 201(b), which states that any public official who “corruptly demands, seeks, receives, accepts, or agrees to receive or accept anything of value personally or for any other person or entity, in return for… being influenced in the performance of any official act” is breaking the law.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/heres-the-exact-law-that-may-end-trumps-presidency/

  7. Dr Stuart Edser
    @StuartEdser
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    We are abt to witness the greatest show on earth. If Angus Taylor is investigated by the Police, just watch #slipperyscott come out fighting. Never will u have heard such adroitness of verbal gymnastics as Morrison twists & turns in the defence of the hapless Minister. #auspol

  8. Trump orders entire federal government to drop NY Times and Washington Post subscriptions

    The White House is canceling its subscriptions to The New York Times and the Washington Post, and the administration will order the entire federal government to not renew subscriptions to two of the nation’s top newspapers. President Donald Trump appareled on Fox News’ “Hannity” this week and called both national papers “fake.”

    The decision was not made in an effort to cut costs. Just one weekend of President trump golfing likely could pay for a year’s worth of the entire federal government’s subscriptions to both papers.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/trump-orders-entire-federal-government-to-drop-ny-times-and-washington-post-subscriptions/

  9. Good morning Dawn Patrollers.

    David Crowe tells us that Labor has given the government 24 hours to properly deal with the Clover Moore forgery effort or it will refer the hapless Taylor to the police.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/labor-to-refer-angus-taylor-to-police-over-clover-moore-letter-20191024-p5340a.html
    Anne Davies writes that this doctored documents mystery will further weaken trust in politicians and journalism. She says the Daily Telegraph is furious at being misled. The public should be furious too. The answer is in the government’s hands
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/oct/25/angus-taylor-the-doctored-documents-mystery-will-weaken-trust-in-politicians-and-journalism
    Rob Harris writes that Labor has attempted to drive a wedge between the Liberals and the Nationals this week over the worsening drought amid growing frustration within the junior Coalition partner. And now Barnaby Joyce has come out saying that unless the government tips in $1.3b for drought action it will lose the election.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/joyce-warns-billion-dollar-drought-stimulus-needed-or-coalition-will-lose-government-20191024-p5340u.html
    Shane wright reports that key details of the Morrison government’s election plan to help 10,000 first-time buyers into the property market, including price caps and regional restrictions, are yet to be revealed just two months before it is due to start.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/key-details-of-first-home-buyer-scheme-yet-to-be-made-public-20191024-p533vb.html
    An influential global wealth survey has highlighted the world’s greatest loser in economic outcomes this year — Australia. Although the report is in $US, and reflects the impact of falling house prices and a falling $A – and although Australians remain among the richest people in the world – it also confirms that Australia’s economy is being poorly managed reports Alan Austin.
    https://www.michaelwest.com.au/australia-falls-to-stone-cold-last-in-credit-suisse-wealth-report/
    Sam Maiden tells us that the man who was raped as a child by Hillsong founder Brian Houston’s father, Frank, has slammed Morrison’s public support of the church when it has yet to sign up to the sex abuse redress scheme. I wish Labor would really latch on to this.
    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2019/10/24/sex-abuse-survivor-pastor-houston-pm-church/
    Older people staying in work highlights the consequences of fiscal policy that has forced the Reserve Bank to cut interest rates explains Greg Jericho.
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2019/oct/24/low-interest-rates-are-part-of-a-vicious-circle-keeping-older-australians-at-work
    Phil Coorey says that Albanese is targeting jobs, not unions,
    https://outline.com/3xnhqJ
    Michelle Grattan reckons Albanese needs some meat in his first ‘vision statement’ next week.
    https://theconversation.com/grattan-on-friday-anthony-albanese-needs-some-meat-in-his-first-vision-statement-next-week-125834
    David Crowe explores what Clive Palmer got with his $50m plus election spend and what such behaviour could lead to with democracy in Australia.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/democracy-for-sale-what-did-clive-palmer-get-for-his-50m-plus-20191024-p533vv.html
    Dana McCauley explains how the AFP has dropped its investigation into John Setka over allegations he criminally threatened crossbench senators in a bid to sway their vote on the government’s union-busting legislation.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/insufficient-evidence-afp-drops-investigation-into-john-setka-20191024-p533z3.html
    Official government statistics have underreported the number of sick and disabled Newstart recipients by as much as 40% or as many as 80,000 people Luke Henriques-Gomes reveals.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/oct/24/government-underreported-sick-and-disabled-people-on-newstart-by-80000
    Greg Barns explains how our freedom of speech is being eroded.
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/our-freedom-of-speech-is-being-eroded-20191020-p532ec.html
    A leading Australian climate scientist has said his views have been misrepresented by conservative media commentators (Sky News!) who have used a “misspoken” statement to dismiss the links between climate change and drought.
    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/oct/25/climate-scientist-says-sky-news-commentators-misrepresented-his-views-on-drought
    Consumer confidence in regional NSW has slumped to levels not seen since the global financial crisis amid fresh warnings about how major population centres are being affected by the drought.
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/many-towns-at-high-risk-as-the-drought-saps-confidence-in-nsw-20191024-p5340s.html
    The Government’s insistence on clinging to fossil fuel technology continues to have consequences on human health, writes Dr Graeme McLeay.
    https://independentaustralia.net/environment/environment-display/australias-energy-policies-are-doctors-business,13239
    The Berejiklian government is giving no guarantee that scores of salaried staff in support roles at the State Transit Authority will keep their jobs or be able to transfer elsewhere after it decided to privatise the last remaining bus services in Sydney. Isn’t privatisation grand!
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/sydney-bus-privatisation-leaves-no-guarantees-for-scores-of-staff-20191024-p533s1.html
    This is music to my ears! Professor Peter Fleming gets stuck into the downfall of narrow reliance on many KPIs by managers and the suboptimal behaviour it causes.
    https://www.smh.com.au/business/workplace/work-about-more-than-data-and-spreadsheets-20191022-p5332f.html
    Law professor Simon Rice declares that the Coalition’s approach to religious discrimination risks being an inconclusive, wasteful exercise.
    https://theconversation.com/the-coalitions-approach-to-religious-discrimination-risks-being-an-inconclusive-wasteful-exercise-125486
    Jenna Price bemoans Morrison’s treatment of welcome to country.
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/the-pm-s-unwelcome-intervention-in-a-sacred-moment-20191024-p533zp.html
    Not just service workers, wage theft can happen to anyone in any industry — even at the ABC and RSPCA. Reports William Olson.
    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/think-wage-theft-only-happens-in-hospitality-think-again,13243
    It’s not just a Sydney thing. Victoria’s anti-corruption watchdog is to hold public hearings into allegations of serious corruption around planning and property development at the City of Casey in Melbourne’s sprawling south-east.
    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/anti-corruption-body-investigates-casey-council-over-property-deals-20191024-p533x9.html
    Stephen Bartholomeusz writes that beneath the headlines of Qantas’s results were indicators of the slowing domestic and global economies.
    https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/fasten-your-seat-belt-qantas-is-hitting-some-turbulence-20191024-p533tb.html
    One could be excused for thinking the hand of Peter Dutton is somewhere in this action.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/award-winning-journalist-barred-from-australian-free-speech-conference-20191024-p533ws.html
    Australia’s richest private schools – which charge students as much as an astonishing $70,000 a year for boarding and tuition – can access cash assistance from a new $1.2 billion taxpayer-funded slush fund but public schools are not eligible to apply!
    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2019/10/24/school-funding-public-private/
    80% of household water goes to waste – we need to get it back writes Professor Roberta Ryan.
    https://theconversation.com/80-of-household-water-goes-to-waste-we-need-to-get-it-back-125798
    Crown Resorts’ high-roller turnover has plummeted following revelations the group went into business with figures linked to organised crime in an attempt to lure wealthy Chinese gamblers to its casinos in Melbourne and Perth.
    https://www.theage.com.au/business/companies/crown-s-high-rollers-desert-casino-giant-on-back-of-crime-link-20191024-p533zm.html
    Shareholders have won the first class action lawsuit to go all the way to judgment in Australia – but are unlikely to see a cent from defendant Myer because the stock market didn’t believe inflated profit forecasts made by the retailer’s chief executive, a judge has found. Given Myers’ atrocious management record this seems reasonable.
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/oct/24/landmark-class-action-judgment-finds-myer-misled-over-profit-forecast
    The federal government has pursued the estates of up hundreds of dead people flagged as owing money under its much criticised robo-debt program.
    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2019/10/24/dead-people-robodebt/
    High-end restaurant group Rockpool is accused of tampering with timesheet records and making staff work excessive hours in an “audacious” scheme to cheat them of overtime pay.
    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2019/10/24/rockpool-wage-theft/
    “Will the UK achieve Brexit, then cease to exist?”, ponders Waleed Aly.
    https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/will-the-uk-achieve-brexit-then-cease-to-exist-20191024-p533uc.html
    As it turned out Australia’s ambassador to the US Joe Hockey did make an unsolicited offer to help with the controversial White House inquiry into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.
    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6455990/joe-hockey-forward-leaning-on-us-inquiry/?cs=14329
    “Trump’s presidency is built on lies. Does he actually believe them?” asks Waler Shapiro.
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/24/donald-trump-impeachment-inquiry-ukraine-watergate
    According to this Guardian contributor the unholy alliance of the religious right and Trumpism is deeply anti-Christian.
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/24/trump-william-barr-christianity-church-state

    Cartoon Corner

    A couple from Alan Moir on Angus Taylor.


    And one from David Rowe (whose Twitter account has been closed)

    From Matt Golding.



    Zanetti with his CFMMEU fix.

    Andrew Dyson’s view on the state of the UK.

    And here’s Simon Letch’s.

    Jim Pavlidis really gets to the point of the matter here.

    From a totally frustrated Cathy Wilcox.

    Jon Kudelka’s contribution to the right to know campaign.
    https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/cde5930b4babc56e52cd09f414a13209?width=1024

    From the US





  10. Julia Davis‏ @JuliaDavisNews

    #Russia’s state TV is laughing at the circus caused by the Republicans storming the most restricted area of the Capitol: “Those are the people who try to tell us how to conduct ourselves!”
    The host: “Poor things, they’re so upset! Still—without us, they can’t elect a President.”

  11. A spokesperson for the Minister for Indigenous Australians said Ken Wyatt welcomed the Prime Minister’s addition of veterans and defence personnel. “This does not in any way detract from the cultural significance of acknowledging country.”

    I strongly object. Ken Wyatt is showing his weakness under the iron fist of Morrison.

  12. Good morning and thanks to BK for the Dawn Patrol.

    From the BK Files.

    An influential global wealth survey has highlighted the world’s greatest loser in economic outcomes this year — Australia. Although the report is in $US, and reflects the impact of falling house prices and a falling $A – and although Australians remain among the richest people in the world – it also confirms that Australia’s economy is being poorly managed reports Alan Austin.
    https://www.michaelwest.com.au/australia-falls-to-stone-cold-last-in-credit-suisse-wealth-report/

    Well done Orstraya because we wot has economic credentials (plus access to skilled forgers) know that the truth is in the second image – for wich one has to do the traditional headstand required for reading gummint reports. Crossed eyes and a list to the right a benefit but only necessary if wanting re election.

    Naturally a late report is expected to show that stone cold last is to be amended to quite warm last – owing to planetary heating (not due to human intervention). ☕☕

  13. Shane wright reports that key details of the Morrison government’s election plan to help 10,000 first-time buyers into the property market, including price caps and regional restrictions, are yet to be revealed just two months before it is due to start.

    Dead, buried, cremated?

  14. First time I find something to agree with by Sussan Ley.

    The Environment Minister has argued only people who have a “connection to farming” should be allowed to own water in the Murray-Darling Basin.

    Speaking on radio station 2GB, Sussan Ley, who represents the regional NSW seat of Farrer, said rules around water trading needed to change.

    “I don’t think it passes the pub test for someone who has no connection with a farming operation in the basin to be holding temporary water and speculating on that water,” she said.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-25/does-water-trading-pass-the-pub-test/11637566

  15. Rotten to the core…

    Deserving sports clubs shunned as new details emerge in Georgina Downer cheque scandal

    Hundreds of applications for much-needed sports facilities were recommended for funding by Sport Australia but were rejected by then-sports minister Bridget McKenzie.

    Instead, she used her ministerial power to choose the clubs and councils she felt deserved a slice of more than $100 million in funding, including more than $25 million for her home state.

    Labor sport spokesperson Senator Don Farrell described the scheme as “dodgy”.

    “The Minister we now know rejected advice from her own department, Sport Australia, as to who should get these grants, and she imposed her own favourite grants in their place,” he said.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-25/deserving-sports-clubs-shunned-by-minister/11634632

  16. Also from the BK Files.

    Jenna Price bemoans Morrison’s treatment of welcome to country.
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/the-pm-s-unwelcome-intervention-in-a-sacred-moment-20191024-p533zp.html

    The point of Mr. Morrison’s twiddling, fiddling and diddling with the welcome to country escapes me.

    Rewriting history perhaps and diminishing Aboriginal culture as well ❓

    Bastardry – for sure.

    One wonders if Mr. Morrison, his advisors, heirs and assignees (perhaps) have any idea of the history of this, could be a great country, or whether they care.

    https://australianstogether.org.au/discover/australian-history/colonisation/?gclid=Cj0KCQjwl8XtBRDAARIsAKfwtxA-CgXVwEugFiO2Ngyqb35-ZDTDaLzwX_eT2haJWnly7GGGsmfbyDcaAuf0EALw_wcB

    An excerpt

    Massacres of Indigenous people often took the form of mass shootings or driving groups of people off cliffs. There are also numerous accounts of colonists offering Indigenous people food laced with arsenic and other poisons.[6]

    “In less than twenty years we have nearly swept them off the face of the earth. We have shot them down like dogs. In the guise of friendship we have issued corrosive sublimate in their damper and consigned whole tribes to the agonies of an excruciating death. We have made them drunkards, and infected them with diseases which have rotted the bones of their adults, and made such few children as are born amongst them a sorrow and a torture from the very instant of their birth. We have made them outcasts on their own land, and are rapidly consigning them to entire annihilation.”

    Perhaps the new, patented, reverse telescope (in three parts (assemble yourself)) which one can have for one’s very own together with the
    “Australia as viewed from the dark side (Chinese) side of the moon” magazine coming to a newsagent near you real soon now; will enable the ubiquitous searcher for enlightenment to discern the pattern emerging within the varied ploys around Mr. Morrison and crew and their rhumba, tap, salsa, hip-hop gyrations around the supposed government of the country.

    One can only imagine that in the combination of Welcome to Country with Military Service that there is a disconnect between the two, as though the traditional owners of the country have never served in the armed forces.

    Anyhow, Barbara – the lady from across the road is watering her beautiful roses and I must (to save face) water my pot plants and pretend I though of it first.

    Who (owl impression) I wonder will think the ratbaggery involved with the diminishing of “Welcome to Country” is a good idea. White supremacists, racists ❓ Perhaps a third leg could be added to the stool. Maybe a denouncement of women wearing head scarves ……..and eating meat pies (horse meat).

  17. I was among the first of those claiming Tulsi would run as a third party candidate.

    Charles GasparinoVerified account@CGasparino
    5h5 hours ago
    SCOOP: @TulsiGabbard breaks bread with Wall Street fat cats at @huntandfishnyc; event sponsored by Dem fundraiser @robertwolf32 as she is said to weigh third-party run more now @FoxBusiness @TeamCavuto dotcom story to come

  18. Chewey wrote:

    Bushfire Bill.. did you see my response to you a couple of days ago regarding liquid metal batteries?

    Yes, I did. Thanks for taking the time Chewey.

  19. KayJay @ #18 Friday, October 25th, 2019 – 7:40 am

    lizzie @ #16 Friday, October 25th, 2019 – 7:29 am

    KayJay

    😆

    I’m writing a quite angry piece about the effing effup with the welcome to country. I need to make fresh coffee and check my lily plants (they seem to shoot up a couple of inches each day – to my great delight). 🥀 ☕

    I love you KayJay, but could you, as a responsible citizen, please kill your Arum Lilies, if that’s what they are? Of course they are growing well, that’s what declared pest weeds do, and my son, who does Landcare once a week, has a hard enough time getting rid of them out of the National Park as it is!

    Profile
    How does this weed affect you?
    Arum lily can:

    make humans and animals very sick or die
    choke waterways
    reduce pasture productivity
    stop other plants from growing.
    Wetlands, waterways, irrigation ditches, forests, coastal areas and pastures are most affected.

    …Where is it found?
    Arum lily is an environmental weed throughout Western Australia, South Australia, Tasmania, New South Wales and south-east Queensland. Arum lily is common in coastal areas of New South Wales. It is most invasive on Lord Howe and Norfolk Islands.

    Arum lily is also a weed in New Zealand.

    Arum lily comes from South Africa. It was brought to Australia as a garden plant.

    What type of environment does it grow in?
    Arum lily prefers wet, sunny areas but can also grow in full shade. It is hardy and can tolerate waterlogging, fire, occasional frost and salt. It can grow in tropical and cold areas.

    Plants can grow in:

    waterways and creek banks
    wetlands and swamps
    moist pastures
    coastal areas
    gardens
    rubbish dumps
    disturbed areas
    roadsides
    bush land.
    Arum lily does not like dry conditions or drought.

    https://weeds.dpi.nsw.gov.au/Weeds/ArumLily

    But it’s up to you, I guess. 🙂

  20. Confessions @ #22 Friday, October 25th, 2019 – 8:11 am

    I was among the first of those claiming Tulsi would run as a third party candidate.

    Charles GasparinoVerified account@CGasparino
    5h5 hours ago
    SCOOP: @TulsiGabbard breaks bread with Wall Street fat cats at @huntandfishnyc; event sponsored by Dem fundraiser @robertwolf32 as she is said to weigh third-party run more now @FoxBusiness @TeamCavuto dotcom story to come

    As a good Russian stooge would.

  21. Latest jousting over brexit and a UK election:

    The PM has said he will give MPs more time to debate his Brexit deal, if they agree to a 12 December election.

    Boris Johnson told the BBC he expected the EU to grant an extension to his 31 October deadline, even though he “really” did not want one.

    But Jeremy Corbyn said he would not support an election until a no-deal Brexit is “off the table”.

    EU leaders are expected to give their verdict on delaying Brexit for up to three months on Friday.

    Commons leader Jacob Rees-Mogg told MPs the government would on Monday table a motion calling for a general election.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-50174402

  22. Jaeger @ #17 Friday, October 25th, 2019 – 7:38 am

    Shane wright reports that key details of the Morrison government’s election plan to help 10,000 first-time buyers into the property market, including price caps and regional restrictions, are yet to be revealed just two months before it is due to start.

    Dead, buried, cremated?

    Better not be. My son is waiting till January to put it to good use after he inherited some $$ from his grandmother recently!

  23. Morrison invents jobs employing disgraced Nats to be non-reporting”Drought Ambassadors” and the like, while Reality TV boofheads get guernseys as “Tradies Special Envoys”.

    Asked how much this costs, and what taxpayers get out of it for the undoubted millions of dollars involved, the PM tells us to mind our own business. It’s commercial-in-confidence.

    Angus Taylor, caught out in a lie peddling doctored official documents, simply denies it, mocking his accusers as “conspiracy theorists”.

    Inquiries as to who was asked to a state dinner in Washington are dismissed as “Canberra bubble” questions, with overtones of religious persecution for good measure.

    It’s all classic, secretive ScoMo. It’s what’s gotten him into trouble, again and again, in job after job.

  24. Men only?

    @Perorationer

    Test that may help you understand your problems!
    Go outside and pee in the garden

    If ants gather- diabetes
    Pee on your feet- prostate
    Smells like a barbecue- cholesterol
    When you shake it, your wrist hurts- osteoarthritis
    Return inside with penis outside your pants- Alzheimer}

  25. C@tmomma (Block)
    Friday, October 25th, 2019 – 8:17 am
    Comment #24

    I have about 30 stems currently of “Judith Saffigna Lilies” in memory of a friend.

    and a couple of pots with “Rose Lilies” in memory my sister-in-law recently gone to God.

    I do have some “Calla Lilies” which I am not sure about. They are in the same family as the Arum lilies. I also now have 3 Dahlia bulbs growing, growing. Huzzah.

    Help ❗

    I’m just going outside now to continue watering and maybe to conduct Lizzie’s mens’ test

  26. Did Angus Taylor inadvertently see the figures quoted in the council audit documents and instead of understanding it was thousands thought it was millions. Therefore not a forgery but misleading…..

  27. The White House’s trade representative in late August withdrew a recommendation to restore some of Ukraine’s trade privileges after John Bolton, then-national security adviser, warned him that Trump probably would oppose any action that benefited the government in Kyiv, according to people briefed on the matter.

    The warning to Robert E. Lighthizer came as Trump was withholding $391 million in military aid and security assistance from Ukraine.

    The August exchange between Bolton and Lighthizer over the trade matter represents the first indication that the administration’s suspension of assistance to Ukraine extended beyond the congressionally authorized military aid and security assistance to other government programs.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry-live-updates/2019/10/24/efdf4c72-f5db-11e9-ad8b-85e2aa00b5ce_story.html

    Surely Bolton will be summoned to testify.

  28. lizzie says:
    Friday, October 25, 2019 at 7:41 am

    First time I find something to agree with by Sussan Ley.

    The Environment Minister has argued only people who have a “connection to farming” should be allowed to own water in the Murray-Darling Basin.

    Ley says:

    “I don’t think it passes the pub test for someone who has no connection with a farming operation in the basin to be holding temporary water and speculating on that water,”.
    —————

    But, but ….. this undermines the whole “neo-liberal con-job.

    Our politicians, with few exceptions, believe that financiers should run airports, prisons, electricity generation, aged person homes, transport, immigration….. indeed the whole world has only one function to channel wealth one way.

    Why should the water “industry”, including traders in imaginary water, be exempt from the benefits of our glorious capitalist future?

    Is Susan Ley a socialist?

  29. After several hot sunny days in Melbourne , we got wind and rain this morning.
    Very dusty outside and cars will need washing.
    Weatherwatch#

  30. Victoria @ #33 Friday, October 25th, 2019 – 8:38 am

    Morning all

    BB

    Saw your post re your neighbour. I cant understand how it got to this. It is terrible

    Yes. Louise must be so, so distressed. What to say about this – Jeez – where do you go for competent and well equipped facilities. What are the plans to upgrade facilities and to encourage young medical professionals to venture into the wilds of …..out there.

    I can only hope for the best for Louise. So sad about the dog. Tears.

  31. Kay Jay

    Have had lots of dealings with the local hospitals and GPs in my part of the world. The attention to detail, and ensuring nothing is missed, has been second to none.
    Hence why something like this is hard to comprehend.

  32. Vic:

    We’ve had a week or so of warm weather, I was thinking it was time the heater could be turned off. Then yesterday, back to winter again, rugging up and using the heating.

  33. Matthew Canavan @mattjcan
    · 2h
    I reckon we should do the opposite of what the big energy companies say because they are a big reason why we are in this mess. They have no interest in ending a mess that they make lots of money out of. So let’s build coal!

    @JoshBBornstein
    8m
    The Minister for Resources in Australia has a coal fetish. Send help.

    ping @GretaThunberg @algore

  34. Fess

    Know what you mean.
    We had same happen here. Some really cold nights just last week.
    Overnight the temp was hovering around 21 degrees. Crazy.

  35. Victoria @ #41 Friday, October 25th, 2019 – 8:53 am

    Kay Jay

    Have had lots of dealings with the local hospitals and GPs in my part of the world. The attention to detail, and ensuring nothing is missed, has been second to none.
    Hence why something like this is hard to comprehend.

    Quite so. I often watch the “24 Hours In … ” TV shows which detail what I imagine is best practice. The service I have had from the John Hunter Hospital has been all that I could have wished for – including an excellent outcome. My GP is simply excellent. We are fortunate. Sadly this is not universal – there’s a lot needs doing. By whom ❓

    More pot plants await.

  36. From the file marked ‘Karma Is A Bitch’.

    Manu RajuVerified account@mkraju
    41m41 minutes ago
    Lindsey Graham in 1998 praised depositions in the House impeachment probe, calling them a “very smart thing to do” before public hearings. Today, GOP is ripping House Dems for closed depositions

    Kyle GriffinVerified account@kylegriffin1
    52m52 minutes ago
    After some House Republicans stormed the gates of the impeachment hearings, Fox News’ Judge Andrew Napolitano delivered a harsh wake-up call: Democrats are just “following the rules”—rules written by Republicans.

  37. KayJay @ #32 Friday, October 25th, 2019 – 8:38 am

    C@tmomma (Block)
    Friday, October 25th, 2019 – 8:17 am
    Comment #24

    I have about 30 stems currently of “Judith Saffigna Lilies” in memory of a friend.

    ” rel=”nofollow”>

    and a couple of pots with “Rose Lilies” in memory my sister-in-law recently gone to God.

    ” rel=”nofollow”>

    I do have some “Calla Lilies” which I am not sure about. They are in the same family as the Arum lilies. I also now have 3 Dahlia bulbs growing, growing. Huzzah.

    Help ❗

    I’m just going outside now to continue watering and maybe to conduct Lizzie’s mens’ test

    Thank goodness you have good taste as well as good sense, KayJay. 🙂

    And, as for the Calla Lilies, you may not be on safe ground with them. They can be a different name for the Arum Lily, in which case, not good, but also for the Trumpet Lily, which is okay. So, do they droop or grow straight up? That is the question! 🙂

    https://www.childrens.health.qld.gov.au/poisonous-plant-arum-lily-zantedeschia-aethiopica/

  38. Victoria @ #35 Friday, October 25th, 2019 – 8:40 am

    Did Angus Taylor inadvertently see the figures quoted in the council audit documents and instead of understanding it was thousands thought it was millions. Therefore not a forgery but misleading…..

    No, it was quite obviously thousands and when you compare what was sent to The Daily Telegraph reporter from Angus Taylor’s office, the numbers had been changed as well and the extract was in a different font. That’s why Labor want to refer it to the Fraud Squad in NSW and they want the government to give them access to the metadata from the copy sent to the reporter.

    Read this:

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2019/oct/24/coalition-labor-morrison-albanese-drought-politics-live

    And this:

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/oct/24/labor-to-refer-angus-taylor-to-police-over-forged-document-used-to-attack-clover-moore

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