The Seven Network reports a ReachTEL automated phone poll conducted yesterday has Labor’s lead at 52-48, up from 51-49 a month ago. More details to follow (although it may take a while).
UPDATE (26/10): Here at last are the full results from the poll, which turns out to have a sample of 3594. On the primary vote, Labor is on 37.5%, the Coalition 40.1%, the Greens 11.5%, and Palmer United 5.1% (a fair bit better than they’ve been doing from other pollsters lately).
[The chief of News Corporation, ultimate owner of The Australian, told European and US leaders in the intimate setting of the dinner that many of their policies were a “tremendous disincentive to innovation and risk-taking”. He confronted them saying high taxes and overregulation “goes to extremes in many European countries and several US states”.
He said an “easier” problem to tackle was that posed by Google in Australia. “Google harvests nearly $1 billion annually in Australia — by pirating the copyrights of local taxpayers,” Mr Murdoch said. “While I am sure they are not the only offenders, as the chairman of a company that is continuously financially wounded by that piracy, I feel quite justified in calling them out by name.”]
http://loonpond.blogspot.com.au/2014/10/in-which-ever-weirder-chairman-rupert.html#.VE7ZCbdxl9A
@AndrewBGreene: Australian Automobile Association has labelled the government’s fuel excise move as “weak, sneaky, tricky and gutless”
Apparently, if the Government doesn’t get it’s petroltax hike legislation through within twelve months they will have to give it back.
[@AndrewBGreene: Australian Automobile Association has labelled the government’s fuel excise move as “weak, sneaky, tricky and gutless”]
It’s simply de rigeur for this mob!
Greensborough Growler@1453
Trouble with that is that they don’t give it back to the people who paid it – i.e. us – they give it back to the people who collected it and then passed the cost on.
What a crock!
P1,
Who can begrudge a couple of poor multi national oil companies and/or grocery chains their little windfall?
GG
You are really NOT worth the trouble to respond bu you are just wrong wrong triple wrong.
As I took pains to point out the infection curve essentially follows an exponential curve (look it up) for all practical purposes. Of course as many, many people are recovered or dead the infection rate of transfer starts to fall (it is an integral function that is beyond you to understand) but given that this part of the curve does not have ANY significant effect until a few million are dead it is not worth calculating. However it DOES have a pretty wonderful wow factor.
The other rort that goes on with petrol is how the cost can change from one day to another.
My Dad owned a privately owned Service Station and the fuel was delivered twice a week. How on earth you can then get away with raising the cost however you like whenever you like is beyond me.
dtt,
I accept your gracious acknowledgement of your egregious errors and your intemperate language.
[The chief of News Corporation, ultimate owner of The Australian, told European and US leaders in the intimate setting of the dinner that many of their policies were a “tremendous disincentive to innovation and risk-taking”. He confronted them saying high taxes and overregulation “goes to extremes in many European countries and several US states”.
He said an “easier” problem to tackle was that posed by Google in Australia. “Google harvests nearly $1 billion annually in Australia — by pirating the copyrights of local taxpayers,” Mr Murdoch said. “While I am sure they are not the only offenders, as the chairman of a company that is continuously financially wounded by that piracy, I feel quite justified in calling them out by name.”
]
This from the proprietor of a company that was refunded hundreds of millions by the ATO because he somehow convinced them no tax was payable on his dealings in Australia.
Murdoch of course hates Google because he knows that Google and similar firms will ultimately kill off his business unless he comes crawling to them.
MTBW,
The trick is/was always filling up underground storage at the nadir of the price cycle and then increasing the price to the market level when they went up.
Dealers could make 20 plus cents per litre margin and with 100,000 litre tanks, a whacking great profit.
citizens
[This from the proprietor of a company that was refunded hundreds of millions by the ATO because he somehow convinced them no tax was payable on his dealings in Australia.
Murdoch of course hates Google because he knows that Google and similar firms will ultimately kill off his business unless he comes crawling to them.]
Spot on
[The federal government is so addicted to new taxes it will bypass the parliament to introduce them, Opposition Leader Bill Shorten says.
The government has announced it will use tariff proposals to reintroduce regular hikes in fuel tax, in a move expected to cost average households about 40 cents a week.
The hikes will begin on November 10 but the government will need the support of Labor, the Greens or crossbench senators to validate the change within 12 months.]
http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-national/govt-addicted-to-new-taxes-shorten-20141028-3j14n.html
GG
There was no trick in those days they had set days for delivery and only in emergencies did they ask for a new delivery.
I worked with my Dad for about six years.
Of course, the only people who make money from fruit picking are the intrepid pickers who provide their own machinery to harvest from the trees.
It would be probably be cheaper for the orchadist to buy this equipment themselves, and employ fewer pickers.
MTBW,
I’m talking about the 80’s onwards. The market was gamed by the Dealers with large storage.
If your father was an Independent or had a small volume site you’d get screwed. That’s why all the small sites have disappeared over the last 30 odd years.
Abbott’s new tax is going to go UP and UP and UP and UP.
1460
citizen
Social is killing hard copy news, info and entertainment while advertising is also being killed by social and smart tech. Murdoch is invested in a dying industry…no-one really needs what he sells and his products are really poor value. What value they do still have is being sacrificed every day by editorial policy.
Really, if they treat their customers as morons (as they invariably do), in the end the only customers they will have will be the posthumous, the illiterate and the dysfunctional – that is, not the market segments that will support their revenues into the indefinite future.
Raaraa 1429
I don’t know specifically what weight of goods would make container shipping cost effective, but from my personal experience a few hundred kilos or less is best done by plane with a door to door service so that you know all the charges up front instead of turning up at customs clearance and having to pay large fees. From what I’ve heard from other people who have used container shipping (people who were working in the foreign aid sector like me) it really is designed for moving a house full of furniture.
When I had personal items shipped from India to Brisbane I learned that I would have been several hundred dollars better off had I used plane transport. The company had not been clear on that point. I thought I would be saving money by using a ship, and since the shipment was not time sensitive for me I decided to take that option. At the Brisbane end I learned that the quoted charges for collecting from Brisbane were only a third of the bill they presented to me. They had spoken vaguely of quarantine charges but did not suggest that these could be a significant component of the overall. They didn’t give me a possible range of the quarantine charges I could face.
Whenever you request a logistics service, you must ask the company to specify all of the charges you will have to pay at both ends. If they say, “We don’t know how much that fee will be because it depends on what customs officials decide to do”, ask them to use their experience of customs processes to estimate the range of likely fees for your situation. I assumed they would bring to my attention any potentially enormous fees as a proportion of the overall bill, but the company I used didn’t do that.
I mean all the furniture that would fit in a house – a ‘houseful’ of furniture, not a house which is full of furniture.
Posted this on the Vic thread but also here as the bipartisan agreement to pass this legislation in Victoria could have wider ramifications as noted in the article.
Peter Martin:
http://www.theage.com.au/comment/political-gamble-victorian-government-power-sold-to-crown-casino-20141027-11c0tl.html
Daniel Andrews and Denis Napthine are competing for glory without power. Neither really wants to govern.
Napthine signed away his right to make laws that tackled gambling and smoking in an extraordinary deal waved through Parliament days before the election campaign. The law not only restricts the actions of the Napthine government should it get back, but the actions of every future Victorian government for the next 36 years.
Should a future government decide to impose a $1 betting limit on poker machines (as recommended by the Productivity Commission); should it decide to enforce the use of precommitment technology on poker machines; or should it require automatic teller machines to be further away from poker machines, it’ll be up for a $200 million payment to Crown. The size of the penalty will climb with inflation. By the time the provision expires in 2050 the penalty will be $480 million.
……….
And Labor under Andrews? It voted for it. Andrews was silent during the debate. His treasury spokesman Tim Pallas spoke of the importance of “certainty” for Crown, apparently forgetting its status as a specialist in gambling. Crown employs 8800 people.
Aware that he was voting for a “regulatory time bomb” he said Victoria’s hotels and clubs would demand similar assurances in the future. He failed to acknowledge that all sorts of Victorian businesses will demand similar assurances and that Victoria has set a precedent for businesses in other states to demand similar deals.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/political-gamble-victorian-government-power-sold-to-crown-casino-20141027-11c0tl.html#ixzz3HNu1eJhL
[1457
daretotread
However it DOES have a pretty wonderful wow factor.]
Wonderful WOW!!!
Wonderful? Wonderful? What is this thing, “wonderful”?
You mean, far-fetched arithmetic offers spectacular opportunities to sensationalise a dangerous disease…is that wonderful? Has death become a chance for polemical displays?
[1467
Boerwar
Abbott’s new tax is going to go UP and UP and UP and UP.]
It won’t be long and most vehicles will be electrically-powered, much, much cheaper, a lot safer and more durable too.
The internal combustion engine will become a marvelous relic and so will fuel excise.
Samantha Maiden makes a prescient point to show she is gradually catching up on issues.
“Secondary take out from petrol tax hike: Greens officially nuts they could have agreed to petrol tax and cut a deal re RET or something else”.
GG
I am talking my Dad who came out of the army after WW2 and carted Blue Metal and Gravel in a truck he was paying off for a company called Bradshaws in Sydney in the fifties.
He competed in a Crown Land Ballot for a block of ground on Bunnerong Road Maroubra which was about two hundred metres from where we were living.
He won the ballot and built a garage on it with the help of all his mates and he employed one brickie and one carpenter while he would mix the first batch of cement and stack the first block of bricks then drive his truck all day.
It was at first only an office and a lube – it ended up being added to with a huge workshop and later a 23.5 square metre home on top of it.
He signed up with the COR and it became BP later and he ran his own race.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/victoria-state-election-2014/victorian-state-election-daniel-andrews-pledges-50-per-cent-discount-on-car-registration-for-apprentice-tradies-if-labor-wins-20141028-11cue7.html
More promises in Victoria. I think this is the right move, but maybe there should be an agency that takes all this administrative costs and put it in fortnightly or monthly chunks.
GG
The problem with doing deals with the Tories is that, they say “You give us X, and we’ll give you Y”.
When the deal is done, they’ll renege on giving Y, but still take X anyway.
If LU is about he / she made a comment yesterday about states raising new and more taxes as a cure for vertical fiscal imbalance.
Doesn’t the current state / fed commission carve up mechanism punish a state for this with lower amounts from fed govt?
MTBW,
Sounds exactly like the type of site targeted for closure by the majors. Low volume and turnover site.
I presume there’s either a fast food store there now or a block of flats.
Dan,
At least Menzies was more honest in his day.
He’d promise nothing and make sure you got it.
Mature debate, Abbott Wreck the Joint Style:
THIS IS A GREAT BIG NEW TAX ON EVERYTHING THAT WILL GO UP, AND UP, AND UP, AND WRECK WHYALLA.
HERE IS SOME MATURE DEBATE ON TAXES BY ABBOTT:
[On August 5, during an interview on Seven’s Sunrise program:
On August 6, at a doorstop: “Taxes will always be lower under a Coalition government.”
On August 9, at a Brisbane press conference: “The only party which is going to increase taxes after the election is the Labor Party.”
“The only party which is going to increase taxes after the election is the Labor Party.”]
GG
😆
Boerwar, I think your caps is mulfunctioning.
DN
obviously got the same virue Shows’ computer has.
There was a time when each year in August the government would bring down the budget and the people expected that taxes would increase. Alcohol would go up. Cigarettes would go up. Petrol would go up. TV’s would go up etc. You get the point? People sort of understood this had to happen to pay for government services. No one liked it much but it was expected and grudgingly accepted.
Problem is now we have been re-programmed to the point we just expect services and welfare will increase annually and at the same time taxes will go down. The money is … well just created.
It’s a pretty well hopeless situation. We are slaves to the three year political cycle. We seem to be short of politicians with courage and vision.
I don’t see any solutions anytime soon to the mess we are now in.
Essential 53/47 to Labor
Essential primaries:
ALP 39 (0)
LNP 39 (-1)
GRN 9 (-1)
PUP 4 (+1)
GG
It is still there and yes the people who run it now having bought it in the year 2000 mainly use it as a workshop but the bowsers are still there and they are getting rent on the house.
My Mum sold it in the year 2000 and moved to a house at Phillip Bay near La Perouse. She passed in 2013 at the age of ninety.
Seems we aren’t the only ones who can’t stand this Government by that poll.
Re Davidwh @1486: agree. It is now virtually impossible to have a ‘mature conversation’ about tax.
Who was it that was predicting Tony Burke to take over from Shorten because of the recovery of the LNP we were seeing previously?
They have been proven right 😉
Looks like the slide might be going the other direction – does this polling precede the death of Whitlam? We might see a further detioration of LNP numbers in the coming weeks.
Specifically with regard to the fuel excise, I don’t have a big problem with it. Its impact is very modest – the quoted 40 cents a week is about right, although it will be another 40 cents a week on top of that next year and another the year after that. But among the budget proposals in is the least objectionable and a future Labor Government will need the revenue. But in real terms no one will be worse off.
I was hoping the Greens or Palmer would let it through but that’s not going to happen, so Labor will eventually have to support it, while reminding the voters of the broken promise.
tielec
[Looks like the slide might be going the other direction – does this polling precede the death of Whitlam? We might see a further detioration of LNP numbers in the coming weeks.]
Interesting comment people may have been woken up to just what a Government should be able to achieve in one term.
Steve
The GST goes to states. Instead of the regressive GST they can levy the progressive land tax.
[Murdoch of course hates Google because he knows that Google and similar firms will ultimately kill off his business unless he comes crawling to them.]
I wouldn’t think Google will have much sympathy for Murdoch even if he *does* come crawling to them.
The latest Essential explodes the myths around Tony there being support for his overseas efforts.
http://essentialvision.com.au/category/essentialreport
I would agree with david except that it might be taken as an echo.
However I don’t think it’s all the fault of politicians. The media bear responsibility for uncritically reporting crap and the public for uncritically accepting it. Having said that, I think we’re also reaching the limits of our ability to process information. There’s too much and nobody has the time to stop and think about things.
[Problem is now we have been re-programmed to the point we just expect services and welfare will increase annually and at the same time taxes will go down. The money is … well just created.
]
In large led by ‘small govt’ conservatives if you remember Rudd / Gillard both considered it appropriate to raise taxes for new initiatives. Seems you are asking for the kind of government we had previously. You wouldn’t just be a apologist for abbotts deceit and broken promises we know you too well for that!
Melissa Parke, the federal Labor Member for Fremantle, supports the BDS movement in an able speech in the House of Representatives.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MzhVye9-Yc
https://newmatilda.com/2014/10/28/melissa-parke-breaks-labor-ranks-back-bds-campaign-against-israel