This was one of those alternating weeks where all we get in the way of a new poll is Essential Research, and there being nothing remarkable about that result one way or another, BludgerTrack records only the tiniest of changes this week. Such movement as there is favours the Coalition, which is as much to do with the trend momentum created by last week’s Newspoll and ReachTEL results as the very slight shift to the Coalition in Essential. This causes the seat projection to tick over another seat in the Coalition’s favour, the gain coming in New South Wales. Nothing new this week for the leadership numbers.
Speaking of Newspoll, conspiracy theory pre-emption time: I can state with confidence that there will be no poll this weekend, based on the gap that appears in the pollster’s national phone polling schedule. This reflects the Labour Day holiday on Monday in New South Wales, Queensland, South Australia and the ACT. No, Newspoll doesn’t always let public holidays in a few states stop it, but this time it is, on the basis of a decision made quite a long time ago.
The Australian has been tiding us over with a few state polls, so far coming out with quarterly figures for Queensland and South Australia. Early next week, it will presumably follow with a result for Western Australia – a big occasion, WA being the state that polling forgot – and the July-to-September quarterly aggregates of federal polling broken down by state, age and gender. The latter is also eagerly awaited by myself, as the state breakdowns in BludgerTrack are in an unusually unreliable place at present, it being three months since they were last fed with any Newspoll data.
UPDATE (3/10): Roy Morgan has published one of its occasional telephone polls gauging leadership ratings, this one being a survey of 503 respondents conducted from Tuesday to Thursday. The findings concur with other recent polling in showing Tony Abbott’s standing having substantially improved since the last poll in early June, his approval rating up ten to 44% and disapproval down twelve to 47%. Bill Shorten’s ratings are also slightly improved, his approval up two to 37% and disapproval down three to 42%. However, Abbott has taken a 44-37 lead on preferred prime minister after trailing 43-38 last time.
The poll also inquires about preferred Liberal and Labor leaders, finding a big lift in support for Julie Bishop since June (up nine points to 16%), Tony Abbott (up four to 19%) gaining ground on the still-favoured Malcolm Turnbull (down six to 38%), and Joe Hockey down five points to 6%. There is only slight change for Labor, with Bill Shorten down a point to 21%, Tanya Plibersek up two to 18% and Anthony Albanese steady on 15%.
(Note that those search terms were entered without the quotes around them in the above.)
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Edwina StJohn
Posted Saturday, October 4, 2014 at 6:23 pm | Permalink
Well fredk people will make their won judgements including on the alps support for the burqa lifestyle choice.
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Never miss the chance for good dog whistle hay Edwina?
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lizzie
This article contains a photo which some may find distressing.]
Someone’s son….someone’s brother…the abject futility of the killing….dreadful pic, but not possible to ignore
Fredk as rjl hawke used to say the australian people always get it right and I have no doubt they will make the correct judgement on this too !
Edwina StJohn@1050
Wet dream on, Eddie.
The scarf is said to be worn by about 50% in Auburn. I work in Canterbury my guess there is about 10%. Burqa/veil significantly less but I would see at least 1 a day.
I saw a variation I hadn’t seen before last week. A women wearing an Abaya with modesty obtained by having a large handkerchief tied up behind the back of the head – just like the baddies in old cowboy movies. She was in the canteen and asked for a poached egg on a piece of toast. The bogan shop assistant asked if she would like a bit of bacon with that. I am not sure if the shop assistant was aware how absurd that was.
It is a difficult situation for me. Normally I normally think it is rude to speak to someone while wearing sunglasses and I always remove them when speaking. This is one step further and even though I realise the cultural need for this garb I still find it confronting. That is not to say that the government should have any say in its use.
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Edwina StJohn
Well fredk people will make their won judgements including on the alps support for the burqa lifestyle choice.]
Yeah, we’ll see about that. Abbott will be remembered as the bully who caviled at the thought of a woman in costume. For a bloke who fancies himself as a war-time leader, he’s got a very little ticker.
Kevin Bonham
Thanks for that.
Oakeshott C
Yes, I have always considered it rude to keep sunglasses on while in conversation.
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lizzie
Posted Saturday, October 4, 2014 at 6:36 pm | Permalink
Oakeshott C
Yes, I have always considered it rude to keep sunglasses on while in conversation.
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Feel uncomfortable? Just imagine how uncomfortable these women would feel given the dress code they have grown up with. And now, they are declared to be so dangerous we have to have them join the children! What a load of codds-wollop.
Do you think Muslim women freely choose to wear a burqa fred k ?
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/03/world/meast/isis-airstrikes/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
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Edwina StJohn
Posted Saturday, October 4, 2014 at 6:42 pm | Permalink
Do you think Muslim women freely choose to wear a burqa fred k ?
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Cultural norms are a powerful thing Edwina. Abbott may chose to prance about in speedos, that does not mean all women should wear bikinis.
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Do you think Muslim women freely choose to wear a burqa fred k ?]
You would have to say that wearing a veil in this country would be no act of submission these days. It is becoming an act of courage.
Do you think going burqa free is accepted by men in the Muslim community fredk ?
[ Normally I normally think it is rude to speak to someone while wearing sunglasses and I always remove them when speaking.]
Yes, I used to do this too but then stopped because I noticed nobody else did. I figured if everyone else wasn’t bothered by talking to someone when you couldn’t see their eyes, then I shouldn’t be either.
On head coverings I’ve never had a conversation with a woman wearing a full head cover, only women wearing those which leave the eyes only exposed. While you don’t get to see their facial expressions, you do get some engagement with the eyes.
I’ve worked in remote indigenous communities when I was younger and the cultural norm for many communities was for someone my age not to make eye contact whatsoever with older people. At first it was hard – I’m very much a visual person. But you get used to it and simply adjust your body language accordingly.
#suporttheburqa@penny.wong hey briefly?
frednk
I am also extremely uncomfortable when Abbott wears wet budgie smugglers, or protrudes his tongue. I suppose we’re all uncomfortable with something.
The interaction of cultures is always difficult.
There have been a couple of sexual assault cases in Sydney where it is obvious that the real problem was that the perpetrator just did not understand the sexual mores of Anglo Australians.
The fact that a girl is apparently sexually active does not mean she is fair game for all men
These issues take a generation to resolve but the small minority of radical activist muslims will be a challenge.
OC
Who are you barracking for tomorrow – I am going with South Sydney!
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Edwina StJohn
Do you think Muslim women freely choose to wear a burqa fred k ?]
This is comparable to asking if Jewish men freely wear the yarmulka?
What this question really does is to seek some lame-ass excuse for LNP bigotry.
lizzie@1068
I am uncomfortable with Eddie displaying such bigoted ignorance on this site.
[Do you think Muslim women freely choose to wear a burqa fred k ?]
Jesus.
For a start not all muslim women wear a burqa. I worked with an Iranian muslim woman a couple of years ago, and she dressed just the same as I did. Although she was older but her clothes were nowhere near fuddy duddy, and the only scarves she wore were fashionably draped around her neck.
Shorten … just short.
Saw something interesting at the airport the other day. Mum was wearing traditional western dress; the daughter was wearing a fitted scarf (shayla I think is the correct term). Given the rebellious tenancies of teenage daughters; I wondered; did mum approve?
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#suporttheburqa@penny.wong hey briefly?]
I would say instead…
#gothebrave/banBishop@aph
While I would love to see Rusty’s face if the bunnies get done, I think they have to be the emotional favourite.
It is interesting that the Dogs are one group where Anglos and Muslims come together. There were plenty of hijabs and a few burqas present when I went to the final last week.
Well yes confessions there is a difference between! Shiite and Sunni Muslim.
50 years ago there was a trend for Muslim women to become westernised. Attaturk banned the scarf in public buildings and Nasser certainly discouraged it
The question has to be asked why did this trend reverse – was it Western and particularly US foreign polict that seemed unwelcoming?
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Edwina StJohn
Posted Saturday, October 4, 2014 at 6:46 pm | Permalink
Do you think going burqa free is accepted by men in the Muslim community fredk ?
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Given that it is only the cultural norm in a very small group, within the set you are trying to dog whistle, you have to be a bit more specific to set it up.
I was in the middle east with my wife recently and no-one expected her to wear a burka. Actually, not that many women were wearing them.
Does that make Muslim societies more pluralistic than the tiny minds that support this rubbish; probable.
As to everything from the hijab to the chador I think they are a great fashion accessory and would love the fashion industry to bring them in. It would be a lovely way to stick it up the small minded.
I’m lucky I went through my teenage years during the era of the mini 🙂
Basically I believe people can wear what they like and tough luck to the rest. Having said that I prefer the mini to the burka.
Meanwhile in North Africa the Taureg people put the men behind the veil .
Pic:
[Tuareg People Have Different Culture from Other Muslim Tribes. Generally, Women Cover Their Bodies from Head to Toe in Islamic World. But Taureg People Think That Men Must Cover Their Faces. Covering Face’s Extremely Important to Tuareg Men. It Means Pride and Nobility of Tuareg People. They Eat and Drink Wearing a Veil, Expose Their Faces to Their Family Only.]
MTBW@1070
I am finding that a tough choice.
I like the fact that Souths don’t depend on Poker Machines and would lean their way because of that.
But I am from out Bankstown way and have tended to support the Bulldogs. Since they now have a large Moslem following, I would like to see them do well as an ‘up yours’ to the bigots.
davidwh
[Having said that I prefer the mini to the burka.]
Well you do have the figure for it 🙂
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Posted Saturday, October 4, 2014 at 7:16 pm | Permalink
I’m lucky I went through my teenage years during the era of the mini 🙂
Basically I believe people can wear what they like and tough luck to the rest. Having said that I prefer the mini to the burka.
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Saw a women in here 40’s wearing a mini the other day; there is a time and a place.
Touché poroti 🙂
Gawd, I remember Aussies feeling uncomfortable by elderly Greek ladies in mourning wearing all black & head scarf.
When I was young the only people accepted with tattoos were sailors.
Anyone with tattoos were treated with suspicion of criminal inclinations.
A few years back I was chatting with an older couple than us.
In their 70’s. The lady was plain and ordinary like me. Her husband however had recently had numerous tattoos and multiple piercings. He said he always wanted tattoos but it wasn’t socially acceptable when he was young.
Now, it’s trendy and everyone’s doing it. He had piercings everywhere and his wife said “you’ll never guess what else he had pierced”? 😯 Oh yuck!
[Well yes confessions there is a difference between! Shiite and Sunni Muslim.]
Lotta difference between the burqa and other head coverings too, babe, not that I reckon that means shit to you. But have to say, for someone who purportedly lives in cosmopolitan Sydney you don’t have a lot of cultural awareness.
[ He had piercings everywhere and his wife said “you’ll never guess what else he had pierced”? 😯 Oh yuck!]
Apparently it’s supposed to enhance the pleasure for the man’s partner.
I think a man should consider his partner’s pleasure enhancement but that just is beyond reasonable.
As a young boy it was certainly confronting folloeing a young lady in a mini up the stairs of a double decker bus.
I missed my stop on several occasions because of this.
I am not a particular sports fan but I do follow NRL a bit. I am happy that the glamour teams have been eliminated, leaving the Rabbitohs and Bulldogs the last two standing. I grew up in the Bankstown area and my late father was a Bulldogs fan, so I am hoping fyyor a Bulldogs win. However, Souths is a bit like my second team so I’d be happy for them to be Premiers.
fred
I STARTED wearing minis in my forties – suddenly realised that it didn’t matter how long I waited, I was never going to have the legs for them, so what the hey.
Shorten, Baird and Morrison attended
http://www.theage.com.au/nsw/thousands-in-lakemba-celebrate-muslim-festival-of-sacrifice-and-feasting-20141004-10qatc.html
victoria@1094
It was interesting watching Shorten speak about bigots etc with Morrison visible behind him.
I was waiting for him to add the words “like the one behind me.” 👿
There’s something for everyone…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veil
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purdah
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Shorten, Baird and Morrison attended
http://www.theage.com.au/nsw/thousands-in-lakemba-celebrate-muslim-festival-of-sacrifice-and-feasting-20141004-10qatc.html%5D
tks
bemused
[It was interesting watching Shorten speak about bigots etc with Morrison visible behind him.
I was waiting for him to add the words “like the one behind me.” ]
I am in no doubt that the coalition are spoiling for a fight with team Labor. Therefore Morrison would have welcomed being called as such. Would have kicked off proceedings beautifully
victoria@1098
The reference to “Team Idiot” was pretty good. 😆
Re Victoria @1094 – I like this from Bill Shorten:
[” …in response to Tony Abbott’s concerns that moves to ban head coverings were damaging to “Team Australia”, Mr Shorten told reporters: “I’m more concerned about Team Idiot – that is, parliamentarians who should know better.”]