GhostWhoVotes brings results of the latest quarterly Newspoll of state voting intention in Western Australia, and it finds the state Labor Party joining its New South Wales and Queensland counterparts in the sub-30 primary vote club. From an already parlous position in July-September, Labor is down a point on both the primary vote, now at 29 per cent, and two-party preferred, with the Coalition now leading 58-42. Both leaders’ personal ratings are much as they’ve been all year: Colin Barnett is down a point on approval to 55 per cent and up three on disapproval to 35 per cent, Eric Ripper is down one on approval to 33 per cent and up one on disapproval to 43 per cent, and Barnett’s two-party lead has gone from 61-17 to 60-16. The sample for the poll was 839, for a margin of error of about 3.4 per cent.
Plenty of would-be party leaders who make an early run, either through inexperience or to simply “test the water”. Most of them are back for a more serious second shot before too long and some of them succeed.
My bet is that Whyatt will be back, quite probably with a different opponent , before Labor are returned to power in WA.
[198 John RyanPosted Saturday, January 8, 2011 at 1:30 pm | PermalinkAlannah has more brains and balls than Ripper the factional thugs and Frank that’s why they made life very difficult for her she is not beholden to any of them hence she is dangerous to them,one thing Bullock,and Ripper and the other dont want is people who can think for themselves.
FFS Frank I don’t listen to PR I don’t need some one else to tell me how to think and vote unlike Ripper and friends
199 evan14Posted Saturday, January 8, 2011 at 1:44 pm | PermalinkFrank would prefer that the WA Labor Party is controlled by a bunch of union hacks & thugs.
He’ll obviously relish being in opposition for another 8 years.
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What a bunch of wide-eyed fools, As I said on the other thread, those same factions and union heavyweights helped elect Rudd as Labor Leader – and your silence at the time was deafening.
[feeneyPosted Saturday, January 8, 2011 at 2:15 pm | PermalinkFrank is obviously a very loyal Labor man but sometimes his views are too blinded by his commendable loyalty.
Eric Ripper is a dud, it appears. Ben Wyatt should have waited another 12 months or so, just to give Ripper more time to choke himself off.
Unfortunately, Wyatt was influenced by pledges of support for a challenge rather than getting the numbers all tied up before announcing his intentions to challenge.
He should remember that, in politics, there is no such thing as a friend. If you want a friend in politics, get yourself a dog. At least you’ll get loyalty and support.
Politics is all about back stabbing, throat slashing, mystery and intrigue. When he acquires those skills, Wyatt will succeed. Meantime, he should just sick back (yes frustatingly) and watch Ripper wallow in his own incompetence. Even Frank must acknowledge these facts.
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Have I said anything less ??
I have always said Wyatt made his move way too early.
Or are you another one of these Get Frank for the fun it is brigade.??
[GusfacePosted Saturday, January 8, 2011 at 10:18 pm | Permalinkfrank
dish it out with gay abandon
cry when it is flung at you
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And what was your prediction again ??
At least I said upfront from a very reliable source that Wyatt’s bid was as successfull as Australia’s World Cup Bid.
[206 GusfacePosted Saturday, January 8, 2011 at 10:25 pm | Permalinkfrank
sorry dude
you have been boned
big time
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Gus,
you need mental help – Seriously.
Frank
No I am not part of the “Get Frank” brigade; can’t be bothered with all of that political crap. Merely commenting that by your over-the-top support of Eric Ripper, you and others are probably sentencing Labor in WA to a long term in Opposition.
Perhaps Ripper might see the light of day and quit “for personal reasons” or “to spend more time with the family”. One can only hope so.
ron
a privates privates is all you iz and ever will be
suk it upz princess
[feeneyPosted Saturday, January 8, 2011 at 10:40 pm | PermalinkFrank
No I am not part of the “Get Frank” brigade; can’t be bothered with all of that political crap. Merely commenting that by your over-the-top support of Eric Ripper, you and others are probably sentencing Labor in WA to a long term in Opposition.
Perhaps Ripper might see the light of day and quit “for personal reasons” or “to spend more time with the family”. One can only hope so.
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It’s called supporting your leader unless the time is right for a change – but as Tom Stephens and Ben Wyatt discovered – now isn’t the time – 2 yeaers out is WAY to ealrly – I prefer 12 motnths as a new leader’s message can be lost if elected too early, as the Libs discovered with their revolving door tactics when Richard Court lost.
Frank: the problem with Eric Ripper is that there’s nothing new about him, & his poll ratings are dismal, unless of course you expect he’s going to get a major boost in the next 6 months 😆
I doubt that even a repeat of Buswell sniffing another woman’s chair will get your man elected as Premier. 🙂
Yes, Frank, that is what I have been saying in previous posts: it’s best to review leadership about 12 months or so out from an election when the public will have the image of the “new broom” pushing an appealing agenda.
I know very little about Ben Wyatt – I live in Kevin Rudd’s seat and one of his branch members – so I can’t comment whether Wyatt is good, better or worse than the status quo. There may be others.
It disappoints me when the Labor Party – and the Liberals, I guess – carry on in public with all this petty nonsense. Ripper needs to pull his finger out, get some new staff or something, and try and make a go of it.
I appreciate it is doubly hard for Labor everywhere in Australia to get their message across with the hostile MSM and the smart arse commentariat. It is even harder in WA with such a poisonous print and electronic media.
And why is nobody in WA Labor moving heaven and earth to get Alannah, arguably one of the best performers, back into state politics?
I bet it suits Ripper and his allies very well to keep Alannah in the wilderness. 😉
Feeney: the problem might be the messenger, not the message!
Yes, I’m a long way from WA, but from what I’ve seen of Eric Ripper on TV, he doesn’t inspire much confidence in me.
WA Labor undoubtably has some political points to score against the Barnett Govt., but the polls would indicate that Ripper is kicking very few, if any, goals in that area.
[evan14Posted Saturday, January 8, 2011 at 11:01 pm | PermalinkFrank: the problem with Eric Ripper is that there’s nothing new about him, & his poll ratings are dismal, unless of course you expect he’s going to get a major boost in the next 6 months
I doubt that even a repeat of Buswell sniffing another woman’s chair will get your man elected as Premier.
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And weren’t the LIbs polling figures so dire until 6 months before the Federal Election ??
Changing horses 2 years out is fraught with danger.
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evan14Posted Saturday, January 8, 2011 at 11:07 pm | PermalinkFeeney: the problem might be the messenger, not the message!
Yes, I’m a long way from WA, but from what I’ve seen of Eric Ripper on TV, he doesn’t inspire much confidence in me.
WA Labor undoubtably has some political points to score against the Barnett Govt., but the polls would indicate that Ripper is kicking very few, if any, goals in that area.
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Read former Premier Peter Dowding’s comments on the other thread – the the even worse poll nummbers for Labor in WA coincided when a K Rudd decided to introduce witout any consultation a Mining Tax.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/opinion/post/-/blog/theburningissue/post/1790/comment/1
Read and learn
Yes, evan14, you make some good points there, particularly about Alannah. From what I saw of her during the election campaign, and since, she is really the goods that Labor so desperately needs.She has a great track record as a Minister in the previous Labor governments.
Surely, the party can see sense and arrange for one of the older MPs to quit “to spend more time with the family” thus allowing Alannah the opportunity to return. She would certainly stick it right up Barnett, and some of the union leader clowns, and set a positive agenda. She has remarkable PR skills and I think that is what is needed.
[GusfacePosted Saturday, January 8, 2011 at 11:23 pm | Permalinkso us adults can argue WA politics
agin the Q begs
In Pidgin?
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Ahh so you aspire to be this guy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPj3G7U-K04
Frank: as I recall, your current heroes Gillard & Swan were just as enthusiastic about the mining tax proposal, but of course it’s all Rudd’s fault. 😉
[evan14Posted Saturday, January 8, 2011 at 11:25 pm | PermalinkFrank: as I recall, your current heroes Gillard & Swan were just as enthusiastic about the mining tax proposal, but of course it’s all Rudd’s fault.
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But Rudd’s original proposal would’ve ensured ZERO or ast best 1 ALP Federal HoR Seat- but the myopic Anti WAC Crowd would rather sacrifice WA.
feeney
Posted Saturday, January 8, 2011 at 11:02 pm | Permalink
“Yes, Frank, that is what I have been saying in previous posts: it’s best to review
leadership about 12 months or so out from an election when the public will have the
image of the “new broom” pushing an appealing agenda.”
Agree Feeney ,
furthermores with Mining tax being th neg politcal main problam killing WA vote for both State Labor and Fed Labor , it is better a new WA State leeder was apointd AFTER Argus/Ferguson Mining tax details been already negotated , annd then sold to public , at moment in both a vacuum and fear monger and some legit Q’s as what end result will actualy come out as , Mining tax is poisen politcally to labor both State & Fed
evan14
Posted Saturday, January 8, 2011 at 11:25 pm | Permalink
” Frank: as I recall, your current heroes Gillard & Swan were just as enthusiastic about the mining tax proposal, ”
thts quite true It came out of Ken Henrys 100 odd detailed tz reform proposals , and was most obvous one in equity terms NOT to blow mining boooms mark 11 AND prob only likely in revenue terms to alow Govt toinimplemnet 3 major Reforms being ….
both supa $ reforms AND infra structure blding needed and small bus tax reform from a tight othwise Fed Budget outlook so whole gang of 4 suported it , unfiotunate it was beauocrat designed too complex
[RonPosted Saturday, January 8, 2011 at 11:36 pm | Permalinkfeeney
Posted Saturday, January 8, 2011 at 11:02 pm | Permalink
“Yes, Frank, that is what I have been saying in previous posts: it’s best to review
leadership about 12 months or so out from an election when the public will have the
image of the “new broom” pushing an appealing agenda.”
Agree Feeney ,
furthermores with Mining tax being th neg politcal main problam killing WA vote for both State Labor and Fed Labor , it is better a new WA State leeder was apointd AFTER Argus/Ferguson Mining tax details been already negotated , annd then sold to public , at moment in both a vacuum and fear monger and some legit Q’s as what end result will actualy come out as , Mining tax is poisen politcally to labor both State & Fed
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As an aside – perhaps Ben Wyatt’s support fro UYranium Mining may have been another reason why he didn’t have the numbers – and that any attempts in trying to sell a mining Tax would be a tad hypocritical when he is in fabour of mining a mineral which would be subject to the same tax he supports.
Perhaps Barnett will become like Carpenter became in the last 6 months of his term ?:
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/barnett-plans-to-hold-power-to-2017/story-e6frg14c-1225984213472
RonPosted Saturday, January 8, 2011 at 11:36 pm | Permalink
feeney
Posted Saturday, January 8, 2011 at 11:02 pm | Permalink
“Yes, Frank, that is what I have been saying in previous posts: it’s best to review
leadership about 12 months or so out from an election when the public will have the
image of the “new broom” pushing an appealing agenda.”
‘ Agree Feeney ,
furthermores with Mining tax being th neg politcal main problam killing WA vote for both State Labor and Fed Labor , it is better a new WA State leeder was apointd AFTER Argus/Ferguson Mining tax details been already negotated , annd then sold to public , at moment in both a vacuum and fear monger and some legit Q’s as what end result will actualy come out as , Mining tax is poisen politcally to labor both State & Fed ‘
Frank : “As an aside – perhaps Ben Wyatt’s support fro UYranium Mining may have been another reason why he didn’t have the numbers – and that any attempts in trying to sell a mining Tax would be a tad hypocritical when he is in fabour of mining a mineral which would be subject to the same tax he supports.”
thats a good point Frank
from a politcs point of view , tho i dont like Uranium mining , if Wyatt is patient & got leadership ability & becomes leeder suporting as you said U mining that may be a plus to WA electorate politcaly but only if if Fed Tax is bedded down reasonable quiet beforehand , otherwsie as you said a problem for him
From Frank’s PerthNow link – Barnett names Kim Hames as “the person most likely to succeed him as leader of the Liberal Party”. Interesting …
[William BowePosted Sunday, January 9, 2011 at 3:15 am | PermalinkFrom Frank’s PerthNow link – Barnett names Kim Hames as “the person most likely to succeed him as leader of the Liberal Party”. Interesting …
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so much for Christian Porter being the anointed one – punshment for Stop and Search failing ?
And Peter Dowding wasn’t complaining when he was pre-selected, and in being elected Premier by Caucus.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/8617376/union-heavies-to-blame-for-labor-mess-dowding/
And more bulldust from the comments – including our own John ryan who don’t get it re the origins of the ALP.
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/wa-labor-leader-eric-ripper-battles-for-approval/comments-e6frg13u-1225984780271
People – it is the POLITICAL arm of the Union Movement.
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In the paper tomorrow, one of WA Labor’s faceless men defends the decision to stick with Eric Ripper.
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The West’s front page lead is Dave Kelly basically saying it’s all untrue – he doesn’t tell MPs what to do, doesn’t threaten preselections, MacTiernan and Dowding are silly and unfair, Carpenter and Burke are really to blame for the party’s woes. Admits he has “some influence in the paty but not as much as he was accused of”.
[William BowePosted Tuesday, January 11, 2011 at 3:17 am | PermalinkThe West’s front page lead is Dave Kelly basically saying it’s all untrue – he doesn’t tell MPs what to do, doesn’t threaten preselections, MacTiernan and Dowding are silly and unfair, Carpenter and Burke are really to blame for the party’s woes. Admits he has “some influence in the paty but not as much as he was accused of”.
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And he’s “Faceless” – FFS he has a higher profile than Lionel Yorke did at his peak as a radio announcer.
And yes Eastern States Bludgers it IS the same Lionel Yorke of 3AK Fame and is featured briefly here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nURrBtB5O58
Just saw this from earlier today:
‘Wyatt dumped from opposition treasury role’
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/01/13/3112117.htm
[Rewi LyallPosted Thursday, January 13, 2011 at 7:31 pm | PermalinkJust saw this from earlier today:
‘Wyatt dumped from opposition treasury role’
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/01/13/3112117.htm
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And John quigley is nexxt in Eric’s sights.
Can’t really blame him.
[And John quigley is nexxt in Eric’s sights.
Can’t really blame him.]
May as well cull all the talent Frank
[May as well cull all the talent Frank]
Comment of the thread!!
🙂