The latest Morgan face-to-face poll, this time combining results from two weekends of surveys to gain a sample of 1661, has Labor’s lead at 54-46, making the previous 55.5-44.5 look all the more like an aberration. Labor’s primary vote is down a point to 43 per cent while the Coalition is up two to 40.5 per cent, with the Greens down 1.5 per cent to 10.5 per cent.
Doyley, I have long since given up any idea that I knew what was happening in Australian politics! This year has been remarkable for so many reasons that I think only retrospectively will we be able to work out “what happened” (as opposed to “what is happening”, let alone “what will happen”!).
The incumbency bounce is not party specific in my experience and happens in State and Federal elections. I don’t have these in lovely spreadsheets so William/Dr Good/Mumble may have more info re usual bounce- I just do these things from memory! But the theory is that once a decision is made the “unsure” just go for the winner as they dont want to spend time thinking about it and in typical Aussie fashion are happy to give whoever it is a “fair go”.
I agree with other posters (from ages ago) that the shenanigans with ALP leadership probably lost them one of their natural terms of government.
[What I find absolutely disgraceful is the calls of “racists” and “rednecks” because once again… for about the 5th time now, Labor has opened a detention centre not in their backyards, but in the backyards of Safe Liberal seats.]
Exactly where they should be, we need to toughen the boaties up make em good Aussie rednecks. 😛
[Rubbish. You’d sell the country out the first minute you could, if it meant saving your behind. I know your type.]
Rubbish, I’d fight to the death for my country.
My ancestors fought to keep this country free, I will do the same if the time comes.
What Afghan needs right now is young men, not everyone jumping onto boats and leaving it all to the Taliban.
Peebles just dont answer him.
Piss off now, GW. You’re boring. You copy and paste your opinions from the Lib party website and have no interest in listening to counterarguments. You’re a stooge interested in just chanting propaganda. Not interested anymore.
[Do you have an idea of the demographics of the people who live in this area?]
victoria
My observation is that there are quite few older people up here. Also, the area is close enough to the city to allow daily commute there and back for work so there are a number of people in that situation. There are many small land hildings in the area, too.
[Rubbish, I’d fight to the death for my country.]
At first you would, then when it gets hard. You’d make a deal with them to be a mole, in return for protection
[My ancestors fought to keep this country free, I will do the same if the time comes.]
So? Some of my ancestors were farmers. Doesn’t mean I have a knack for agriculture.
Anyway, I said I’d stop humouring you, so I am going to stop now.
I did my bit for the Morgan F2F pro-ALP bias by declining to be interviewed last weekend 🙂
(Actually I was feeling ill and just didn’t feel like it.)
[i wish i could meet them and tell them about the Kosovo people, they where mostly Muslim but they didnt wear headscarf and those that did just wore them like the polish ladies did in the 50.s]
Weren’t they the ones that signed a contract with the Howard government promising to return home after the war had ended but then refused to leave thanks to the help of refugee advocate groups?
The term biting the hand that feeds you comes to mind.
Pebbs – you said you’d stop feeding the parasite!
BK
Thanks. I suppose I am trying to get an understanding of the attitude of the people that are protesting this move. Not knowing the topography of the place, I assume that there is more than enough room without crowding being an issue.
vic – plenty!
[Pebbs – you said you’d stop feeding the parasite!]
My lips are sealed now.
GeeWizz
Your ancestors came to this country, and from what I know there were people already living here. They had no hope of turning back your ancestors boats.
[I agree with other posters (from ages ago) that the shenanigans with ALP leadership probably lost them one of their natural terms of government.]
we had better not go over old ground but the shenanigans ( your words) not being done looked on paper ( polls we would of lost) for i am still a loss to understand the whole things it was happening with out be noticing until the poles dropped.
but thats where i will drop the sub. for good. Just thought i would point it out as you are new i think to this site and you may not have realised it either.
I noticed BH mentioned it the other day she is very up on the polls and understood exactly what was happening
at the time and i think PEEBLES to.
without ME noticing.
gus,
My favourite black band.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR-B-StfDQk
Tony Delroy was fun last night, he really tried to bag the NBN but alas the callers were too smart for him. He resorted to the “I did not know that…” defence. 🙂
I wonder how many of these protesters are just generic NIMBY’s who lose it whenever something controversial is being constructed near their residence. In other words, it wouldn’t matter whether it was a detention centre, a prison, a power plant, a nuclear reactor or whatever, they’d still protest in droves.
A lot of NIMBYs in Adelaide.
[I wish more Libs were like Mod Lib and Glen.]
Touching! Thanks.
Let me give you an insiders tip about our side (The Dark Side if you like). The average Liberal voter is pretty much exactly the same as the average ALP voter, its just whether you happen to fall just to the right or just to the left of centre. There are not many voters in Australia at the extremens (unlike many other countries) which is one of the things that makes this the greatest country in the world. My circle of friends vote all different ways, but we essentially agree on the big questions (being compassionate, looking after disadvantaged, but having a country in which hard work is rewarded as well).
its often just best to let him talk to himself.
so bk do you think Joe has sunk the opposition leader ship for him self because of the bank policy and if so do you think Malcom will be next back on deck
as i said he seems to look like he is still sitting in a board room at qt
err..I mean:- to correct for the pro-ALP bias
Geeb Whiz. I too live in a “military town”, and in fact I am a near neighbour of a Brigadier. Across the street from me is a former Chief Petty Officer. Down the hill from me is the family of one of the soldiers killed in Afghanistan. Near to them is a family of Afghan refugees who I have some occasional contact with.
By your idiotic reasoning I should be the fount of all knowledge on things military, Afghani and veterans. I claim to be no such thing. The reason I think I am much smarter than you is simple, I know how much I don’t know.
[ of the things that makes this the greatest country in the world. My circle of friends vote all different ways, but we essentially agree on the big questions (being compassionate, looking after disadvantaged, but having a country in which hard work is rewarded as well).]
i hate to ask this then do you think your present leader has these qualities
Have now seen footage of the Woodside meeting.
I know some of the more vocal objectors (not friends I hasten to add). A couple have surnames indicating they are descendants of the German refugees that settle much of the Adelaide Hills in the 19th Century. Refugees fleeing persecution because of their religious beliefs.
Now their descendants want to persecute refugees mostly because of their religious beliefs. It must be very noisy around the area’s cemeteries with all those ancestors furiously spinning.
Woodside/Inverbrackie is on the side of the Hills that gets drinking water direct from the Murray. If the MDB turns to dust then those living in the area might become CC refugees. And not necessarily in Australia. I wonder how many attending last night considered this.
mod lib,
cheers.
ruawake
what bugs me about the anti NBN crowd. Is that they usually have absolutely no technical knowledge about it. I constantly hear on talk back radio, that it is a waste of infrastructure because in 10 years it will be obsolete. It is so frustrating that the commentator never says, that it would have to defythe law of physics for that to occur.
Mod Lib
Well said, now if only we could get the legislature to reflect this basically bi-partisan fact. There are problems on both sides but i think things are improving?
[ruawake
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Tony Delroy was fun last night, he really tried to bag the NBN but alas the callers were too smart for him. He resorted to the “I did not know that…” defence. ]
one really has to wonder why some people want to stay in the darkages i enjoy progress in everything. If people had carried on like this in the 1800, we would not yet have electric light no radio ect. o and dont forget some thought planes would never fly.
GG
bob marley and the wailers werent too bad as well
😉
Mod Lib @ 51
[Doyley, I have long since given up any idea that I knew what was happening in Australian politics! This year has been remarkable for so many reasons that I think only retrospectively will we be able to work out “what happened” (as opposed to “what is happening”, let alone “what will happen”!).]
[I agree with other posters (from ages ago) that the shenanigans with ALP leadership probably lost them one of their natural terms of government.]
I am with you! I am from the other side of the party divide but I have the same feeling – time alone will tell!
Off topic – I’m watching an episode of “It Ain’t ‘alf Hot Mum”. Have a look at this clip with the tiny Don Estelle and the officious SarMajor Windsor Davies singing “Whispering Grass”. Estelle has an extremely pleasant voice. If only I could warble like that!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10dmK7O-KSY
victoria
When the telephone was invented how many people thought they would need one, was one of the questions that stumped Delroy.
[It is so frustrating that the commentator never says, that it would have to defythe law of physics for that to occur.]
its not having the copper thats modern yes some technologies will have changed but with modern fibre we can do anything.
I dont think this is what they understand the NBN to some people is a ‘thing” ,my aunt wondered what it looked like, do you know what i trying to say.
Not being at all IT or technical i am not saying this very well.
I am just after some information if anyone can help, especially the history buffs amongst you.
Has there ever been a time in Australia’s post-federation history that we did not have a party based system? (Not a trick question – genuinely want to know)
ruawake
so true. I have someone in telecommunications who said that the system needs to be upgraded sooner rather than later, as the system will not cope with the capacities required in the next five years.
[so bk do you think Joe has sunk the opposition leader ship for him self because of the bank policy and if so do you think Malcom will be next back on deck
as i said he seems to look like he is still sitting in a board room at qt]
my say
I don’t think Joe could ever have been seen as a serious contender.
apparently Joe had an opinion piece in the OO today regarding his social compact with the banks.
[If the Taliban were in Australia i’d be fighting, not fleeing.]
GW, sitting on your fat, over-privileged arse in a rich western country and demanding that people who haven’t enjoyed any of your good fortune in life fight and die is pretty much where I draw the line.
Anyone have good stats for the number of Vietnamese, Afghani and Iraqi boatperson that arrived here before the Libs sent troops to meddle in their respective countries affairs?
[so true. I have someone in telecommunications who said that the system needs to be upgraded sooner rather than later, as the system will not cope with the capacities required in the next five years.]
victoria
In my consulting with the management of manufacturing companies I have always exhorted them to make sure they provide capacity sufficiently in advance of expected demand.
Copper and wireless just won’t do that.
The OO bit today on Cat6 cabling was a bit of a shot in the foot for them. Why do people need cabling? Because wireless cannot do the job. Yet the Libs want to use wireless, which a we know from the OO, will not do the job.
Good to see that the OO now has a dedicated NBN-Watch section. 😛
[GW, sitting on your fat, over-privileged arse in a rich western country and demanding that people who haven’t enjoyed any of your good fortune in life fight and die is pretty much where I draw the line.]
William
How about doing us all a favour and drawing the line.
IN RED!
[I have to keep asking this, why aren’t these detention centres being built in Labor electorates?]
If they were, Whizzer, I’m sure that you and the OZ would be up in arms about all of the money going into “porkbarrelling” of Labor held electorates! 😉
Detention centres are currently mainly in electorates held by the Government. Marybyrnong, Perth, Villawood, Brisbane, and Christmas Island are currently in Labor electorates. The Darwin one was, too, until the last election. Port Augusta, Curtin and Leonora are in Coalition seats.
Of the “new” ones, Scherger (for temporary use only), Northam and Inverbrackie are in Coalition held seats.
So , even with all of the “new” ones the balance will only be mildly “weighted” towards coalition seats, and even that is simply because Solomon switched sides at the last election. Other wise it would be “even stevens”. Hardly something making a song and dance about, one would think, especially given the Coalition’s own predilection for shoving asylum speakers into places where there is as little hope as possible of them being able to speak to outsiders.
Oops
Doubt there has ever been a Vietnamese/Afghani/Iraqi boatperson.
GeeWhizz,
The sites were chosen because they had existing accommodation or currently unused accommodation that could quickly be converted, ready for use. It had nothing to do with what electorate they were located.
What I find so sad about the NBN is there seems to be a lot of people who claim they will refuse permission to the NBN being connected to their house purely because it has become a partisan political question. To be so blinded to the possibilities of the future by small minded hatreds is so sad.
I find commenters calling for others to be banned, whatever the circumstance, a bit unbecoming. If your antagonist’s ideas are as bad as all that, you should happily embrace the opportunity for a bit of target practice.
Michael Cusack
That is what they say now. When the time comes, they will go on board, like they have done for everything else.
Current leader having these qualities?
Definitely not! Hence my dilemma. Will need to nick off now as have dinner plans!