I’ve added a new item of methodology for state polling aggregates: as many days’ worth of polling will be included from a given state as is necessary to produce a sample of more than 3000. The base line remains October 1. Apart from that, polls are being adjusted to incorporate the shift in the Real Clear Politics national average since the time they were conducted. Two developments are worth noting. We have a new swing state in West Virginia, where an American Research Group survey shows Obama with a shock 50-42 lead. This reverses the result from the last poll in the state (by Rasmussen) on September 24, so it should be treated with caution for the time being. Conversely, another American Research Group survey has McCain leading 49-46 in Missouri, which cuts Obama’s aggregate lead there from 2.2 per cent to 0.2 per cent.
Obama | McCain | Sample | D-EV | R-EV | |
Michigan | 54.4 | 39.1 | 1031 | 17 | |
Iowa | 54.8 | 39.8 | 692 | 7 | |
Pennsylvania | 53.3 | 38.6 | 3142 | 21 | |
Washington | 53.9 | 42.0 | 700 | 11 | |
New Hampshire | 53.4 | 41.6 | 2760 | 4 | |
West Virginia | 50.9 | 40.4 | 600 | 5 | |
Wisconsin | 52.1 | 41.7 | 2641 | 10 | |
Minnesota | 51.2 | 41.3 | 3673 | 10 | |
Virginia | 51.6 | 42.5 | 3183 | 13 | |
Colorado | 50.6 | 42.8 | 3441 | 9 | |
Florida | 51.1 | 43.7 | 3125 | 27 | |
New Mexico | 47.7 | 40.6 | 1159 | 5 | |
Maine | 51.9 | 45.0 | 500 | 4 | |
Nevada | 50.8 | 44.6 | 1768 | 5 | |
North Carolina | 49.3 | 44.7 | 3736 | 15 | |
Ohio | 48.5 | 45.1 | 3418 | 20 | |
Missouri | 48.9 | 46.6 | 1600 | 11 | |
Indiana | 45.6 | 47.4 | 1977 | 11 | |
Others | – | – | – | 175 | 158 |
RCP/Total | 49.9 | 42.3 | – | 369 | 169 |
Any non Obamabot reading my posts #619 & #745 prior thread and #9 , #20 and #35 colectively can readily see th MOUNTAIN of public evidence on William Ayers …
and your ‘playing with words’ :
denying first that William Ayers was not one of worst terorists , and then
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that Ayers meant terror death & ‘didn’t kill anyone’ (Fort Dix innocent hundreds oh so lucky ) and
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that William Ayers hasn’t recanted ,
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in th face of such masive information shows your total partisan Obama bias , and then when my evisence left you in a corner even to protect “th name” of & take th word of a terrorist… ALTHOUGH despite his own book’s admission !) ,
for mine you hav no credibility
McCain has obviously been told not to raise Ayers himself, because then the Dems will hit hom over his links with Charles Keating.
But that’s not really relevant to the issue of what Obama’s association with Ayers says about Obama’s judgement.
A to Obama’s associations and lies of his associations , i will be detailing those …plius other Ayers & others quotes
I wouldn’t say Ayers was “one of the worst terrorists,” but he was a terrorist, and it was only luck that he didn’t kill anyone. He was certainly reckless about the chances of killing people. And he has never expressed any regret for those actions.
So the question is still not answered: when did Obama learn these facts about Ayers? Why did he not sever his connection with him when he learned them?
OOOOHHH, Obama is a terrorist. Don’t vote for Obama.
I’ll tell you who the real terrorists are between Bush and his crony nutso right wing repugs!
AS to Obama’s associations and lies of his association WITH Ayers himself , i will be detailing those …plius other Ayers & others quotes
Diog, it’s not me but Mr, Joseph Needham.
[Why did China’s scientific innovation, once so advanced, suddenly collapse? A British academic made this question his life’s work. FEW people, other than scholars, will be familiar with the story of the Cambridge don whose study of China’s scientific history helped to change the West’s appraisal of a civilisation once thought hopelessly backward. By the time Joseph Needham died in 1995, he had published 17 volumes of his “Science and Civilisation in China” series, including several that he wrote entirely on his own.]
http://www.economist.com/books/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11496751
Title: The Man Who Loved China (USA& Canada) – Bomb, Book and Compass – UK
Author: Simon Winchester
Genre: Biography
Written: 2008
Length: 265 pages
[“Despite Winchester’s extraordinary narrative skills, he gets some details wrong. (…) In retelling Needham’s story, Winchester focuses on the inventiveness of the Chinese people, whose creativity once surpassed that of all other civilizations. If this resourcefulness can be renewed and harnessed in the service of sustainability, then perhaps there is hope not only for China but for the planet.” – Judith Shapiro, The Washington Post]
http://www.complete-review.com/reviews/winchs/needham.htm
Imagine if it was learned that McCain sat on a charitable committee in Arizona with a man who had been a member of the Ku Klux Klan in Mississippi in the early 60s, had taken part in the bombings of Black churches, had never expressed any regret for tyhose acts, and who was on the record as saying “he regrets he didn’t do more” to stop civil rights. Do you think the media would give McCain a free pass because he said (a) he, McCain, never bombed any churches, and (b) it was all a long time ago, amd (c) he “thought this guy had been rehabilitated”? Not likely. The media would CRUCIFY him.
Adam
McCain did mention Ayers today.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93ND1C01&show_article=1
Ron must be really annoyed that McCain has taken Wright off the menu, as are many rabid Repugs. Personally, I love the stench of fear dripping off the wingnut cretins from the far-right. It smells like…victory.
Panic attacks: Voters unload at GOP rallies
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14445.html
Ron, could you please stop using terms like “Obamabot” and “Obamarotic”.
But the fact is that virtually everyone in the mass media in the US hates Bush and the Repubs so much that they are not going to let ANYTHING get in the way of Obama winning this election. So Obama is just being given a free pass on Ayers, as on everything else.
[Imagine if it was learned that McCain sat on a charitable committee in Arizona with a man who had been a member of the Ku Klux Klan in Mississippi in the early 60s]
Close… but of course its being ignored
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/steve_chapman/2008/10/mccain-has-his.html
[Ron, could you please stop using terms like “Obamabot” and “Obamarotic”.]
Taken you this long William?
[Imagine if it was learned that McCain sat on a charitable committee in Arizona with a man who had been a member of the Ku Klux Klan in Mississippi in the early 60s]
and this… but that is being ignored too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1ouNTqsqjo
Reading Ron re: Ayers is so eeirly similar to reading Piers re: Heiner. Wishful thinking, of no electoral consequence
“Imagine if it was learned that McCain sat on a charitable committee in Arizona with a man who had been a member of the Ku Klux Klan in Mississippi in the early 60s”
this is 4 years to 2002 , but then additionaly there ar other associations as well , also quotes from 2 paerticipants at th original William Ayers home approval of Obama
CENTRE
I hav nebver said Obama is a teroist , and perhaps you missed my #619 and #745 where specificaly I said he was not BUT was is relevant is not only th assocaions that were long and varied with Ayers but Obama’s lies denying any asociation at all I’ll quote them in due course
Perhaps you misunderstood my lingos…some say not my strongest point ..like saying one of worst terorists’…well read my #9 and I’m not sure reely of Ayers terorist “ranking” so so thats my term but if somone wishs to rate him 8th worst , or 14th worst …my judgement standards & convictions argument still holds no matter if 8th or 14th or whatever BASED on Ayers record
Imagine if McCain left a handicapped wife for the daughter of a beer baron worth $100M who turned out to be a drug addict who stole narcotics from a charity which provided cheap drugs to disadvantaged people and who escaped charges after McCain tried to ruin the person who blew the whistle on her. Would the media give him a free pass?
Liddy is a nutter, but he never planted any bombs, and he did four years in prison for his crimes. Ayers has dodged the law on his. I agree nevertheless that McCain should not associate with him. But at least McCain is open about this, in his usual contrarian way – he doesn’t dodge and waffle like Obama. Obama’s dominant political characteristic is evasion. He has dodged and wriggled around every tough question, about himself or his policies, all year. He was still doing it in the last debate. That’s why, although I think McCain’s campaign has been disappointing, and my opinion of his judgement has gone down, I still am totally unconvinced that Obama is fit to be President. If I was an American I would now probably not vote for POTUS on 4 November.
Dio
thats one wild fantasy you span out there……….I hope?
Andrew, I agree it will be of no electoral consequence, because of what I said at #61. Obama could turn out to be Jeffrey Dahmer in blackface and it would be of no electoral consequence.
[Liddy is a nutter, but he never planted any bombs, and he did four years in prison for his crimes. ]
I knew you’d be able to justify it somehow. And the USCWF?
[Obama could turn out to be Jeffrey Dahmer in blackface and it would be of no electoral consequence]
What complete and utter tripe
Gusface
Every word of it true. McCain is a creep, which everyone in the US can see now.
A Tangled Story of Addiction
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/11/AR2008091103928.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2008091103947&s_pos=
[Every word of it true. McCain is a creep, which everyone in the US can see now.]
Ah yes Dio, but he DOESN’T PAL AROUND WITH TERRORISTS SO IT’S ALL OK!!!
Adam
If Obama was Jeffrey Dahmer, he wouldn’t smell so hot coz Dahmer was knifed to death in jail a few years back. Incidentally, one of Dahmer’s victims was a black 14 year old who escaped from Dahmer’s apartment and was found by the police. I won’t describe where he was bleeding from. The police kindly returned the boy to Dahmer’s apartment and passed it off as a boy-boy thing.
Pretty much all the election projection Websites like electoral-vote.com show Obama over 270 electoral votes. Even very overtly Republican Websites like Real Clear Politics and Election Projection have Obama at 277 and 364 electoral votes, respectively. In contrast, MSNBC and CNN have Obama at 264 and the New York Times has him at 260. Why is this so??
http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=16AE5E72EE66F64BCDA37B4B70262523?diaryId=8971
Ron, I was not specifically implying that you said that Obama is a terrorist.
But the whole point of the dirt digging and mud throwing is to portray Obama a terrorist.
He was a Loatian, not Black.
L a o t i a n, tsk
What we reely hav with William Ayers (and with so many other of Obama’s seedy associations) is Obama’s judgement & convictions exposed …followed by a pattern of Obama lies on that association & if nailed a point of it he just changes th lie
Both th US Liberal Media is so desperate to get rid of Bush and so desperate to get a black Harvard ‘progressive as POTUS , they ar prepared to ignore anything adverse about Obama on charater
Then when Obama is exposed on no core ‘left’ policys , Liberal Media still ignore
Then when in June Obama ditched numerous “progressive” policys for politcal gain , Liberal Media initially complained then recommenced ignoring these as well
Liberal Media hav now been reduced to supporting a plastic man who lies & stands for little …other hating Bush & that Obama is a Non Bush and a Non Republican
and so ar “Obama-rusted” here
And again the usual suspects resort to name calling and ignore McCain’s clear indescritions to have another Obama bash. BOOOOOORING. McCain’s toast. Deal with it.
Diogenes, Adam, Ron & others;
Don’t know if this link has been put up yet or not. This article explains why Ayers is a non issue.
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Indeed, the prime exhibit in the Obama-Ayers case is a single gathering held in Ayers’ home where Obama launched the early stages of his political career as a neighborhood activist in exactly the same way as dozens, if not scores, of other aspirants to a political career in Chicago’s notoriously nepotistic and cynical political culture — hardly evidence of deeply shared ideological commitment. I would prefer to believe that people are responsible only for their own beliefs and actions and not those of the person who might be sitting next to them on some board or at some conference.
]
I am hardly responsible for the views and opinions of other PB’s out there, am I? Don’t think so, yet we all chose freely to associate with each other in this forum.
Think about that folks and give the next POTUS a break already.
URL for article – http://poligazette.com/2008/10/09/why-i-give-obama-a-pass-on-ayers/
Dario, McCain may be toast, but that’s not really the point. Given the record of the Bush administration and the current state of the economy, it is amazing that McCain is ahead in any state at all. But it is still legitimate to point out that Obama has managed to win first the nomination and now the election by a process of systematic obfuscation of both his biography and his policies, and by avoiding any close questioning about them, with the active connivance of most of the media. Obama is coasting to victory merely by virtue of being a Democrat in a Democrat year. Both his character and his intentions are still total mysteries.
Adam @ 70,
I’m shocked. And I went back to read it four times to make sure I was reading it correctly and also quoting the correct number message.
Hope William sinbins that comment. What were you thinking? Shame on you.
Adam
“Obama is coasting to victory merely by virtue of being a Democrat in a Democrat year. Both his character and his intentions are still total mysteries.”
if I substitute Rudd for Obama and Labor for Democrat it sounds just like a milne,shanahan et al piece from last years election.
double shame on you!
Julie, are you shocked that I mentioned Jeffrey Dahmer, or that I used the verboten word bl*ck?
[Adam
“Obama is coasting to victory merely by virtue of being a Democrat in a Democrat year. Both his character and his intentions are still total mysteries.”
if I substitute Rudd for Obama and Labor for Democrat it sounds just like a milne,shanahan et al piece from last years election.
double shame on you!]
Somehow I don’t think Obama will care what Adam’s opinion is on how he wins, if he wins
Dario, indeed not. It’s a pity you share his cynicism. Winning is all that matters, is that your position?
I still think everyone here is overestimating the American public and understimating McCain.
Wasn’t it true that one of Rudd’s ministers wrote alleged gangland murderer Tony Mokbel a reference? Wasn’t it true that Rudd had dinner with oooohhhh Brian Burke?
There are people all over the world suffering over this financial crisis and corporate executives are paying themselves hundreds of millions of dollars in bonuses regardless and you are worried about who Obama may have mingled with 150 years ago?
The republicans must be SACKED and never to be voted back in again for generations and generations.
Adam
I read a National Review article (see I do read what the other side says) which said that if there was a Nobel Prize for Plausibility that Obama would win it easily. He’s Mr Plausible, soon to be President Plausible.
SNIP: Personal attack deleted – The Management.
dario
the reference was more to adams logic as opposed to whether Obama cares what Adam thinks.
I never thought I’d see the day when the Master of Pragmatic Politics said this! (And I mean that as a compliment).
[Winning is all that matters, is that your position?]
SNIP: Response to deleted comment deleted – The Management.
[Wasn’t it true that one of Rudd’s ministers wrote alleged gangland murderer Tony Mokbel a reference? Wasn’t it true that Rudd had dinner with oooohhhh Brian Burke?]
Precisely
Hahahahahahahaha. Be prepared for a great new clip of Palin coming soon!
http://steveyoungonpolitics.com/the-stupidest-political-move-in-history-palin-to-drop-puck-at-philadelphia-flyers-opener/
Juliem , you made a post about Obama & William Ayers that repeats false Obama talikng point’ sites & pro Obama rags like Daily\kos & Hugg womens and demonstrates you hav no knowledge of Obama’s associations with william Ayers as you’ve done no research …..thats th problem of rusted on Oabma supporters , relying only on Obama biased info sites
Ron, I take “Hugg womens” to mean Huffington Post. What’s with “women’s” exactly?
A shadow minister’s staffer wrote a reference for Mokbel without knowing who he was. MPs’ offices do this all the time – or they did then anyway. The MP very gallantly took the rap rather than blame the staffer. I’m not sure how this is supposed to reflect on Rudd.
Rudd went to a dinner Brian Burke was at, along with lots of other people – not quite the same as “having dinner with him.” Anyway associating with Burke was a bipartisan failing. And Burke may (or may not) be a crook but he’s never been a terrorist as far as I know.