The Poll Bludger’s WA election guide has been reupholstered with predictions, campaign updates and a Legislative Council page. The upshot of the first of these is that I’m tipping Labor to emerge one by-election defeat from oblivion, with 30 seats out of 59. Predicted Liberal gains are Kingsley, Darling Range, Bunbury, Collie-Preston, Ocean Reef, Riverton, North West and Swan Hills, with no corresponding losses (such as Albany or Geraldton). Labor’s victory would thus depend on Jandakot, beneficiary of the Mandurah rail line and Fiona Stanley Hospital, and Joondalup, where a 4.4 per cent margin looks a bridge too far against a sitting member, despite talk of the northern suburbs as tiger country. However, it should be noted that further losses in Forrestfield, Southern River and Mount Lawley are not out of the question (the latter was a target of Labor’s campaign launch promise to build a rail line to Ellenbrook, reportedly pre-empting an announcement from the Liberals); that Morley turned up a surprise poll result on the weekend; and that Kimberley can be very unpredictable. I’m tipping the Liberals to lose Moore and Blackwood-Stirling to the Nationals, if indeed the latter can be said to be a Liberal rather than a Nationals seat; Janet Woollard to retain Alfred Cove, though not with great confidence; and Bill Marmion to recover Nedlands from Liberal-turned-independent member Sue Walker. That leaves the Liberals with 23 seats, the Nationals with four and two independents.
The upper house looms as a potential bonanza for the heretofore unrepresented religious parties: my guess is two seats for Family First, 15 for Labor, 14 for Liberal, two for the Nationals and three for the Greens. I expect Liberal-turned-Family First member Anthony Fels to win a seat in Agricultural along with two Liberal, two Labor and one Nationals, although Fels’ place could be taken by Mac Forsyth of the Christian Democratic Party if One Nation falls hard enough. I’m also tipping former Liberal deputy leader Dan Sullivan to win a seat in South West, joining two Labor, two Liberal and one Greens member, although the picture here is complicated it could be right four, left two rather than three-all, and the Greens, Family First and Nationals are all in the picture. My tip in Mining and Pastoral is three Labor, two Liberal and one Nationals, though Labor’s third seat could go to the Greens and there could be a third Liberal instead of a National. In the metro area, I’m tipping three Labor, two Liberal and one Greens in East Metropolitan (it’s not impossible the latter seat could go to the CDP); three Liberal, two Labor and one Greens in North Metropolitan; and three-all in South Metropolitan.
Here are some of the electorate-level campaign updates from the election guide:
Collie-Preston (Labor 0.9%): Early in the campaign, Grahame Armstrong of the Sunday Times reported that Steve Thomas had “spoken in favour” of mineral sands miner Cable Sands while renting a house from them for $30 a week, which Thomas argued was all it was worth. Paul Murray of The West Australian claimed Labor had planted the story with Armstrong, a one-time press secretary to Geoff Gallop, whom he accused of running it even after it had been factually destroyed by a letter from the company supplied to the newspaper before publication.
Riverton (Labor 2.1%): The West Australian reported on Saturday that Labor was making a last-ditch attempt to hold the seat by promising the Leach Highway truck ban promised in 2005 would be fully operational by the end of the year. At present the government has implemented only the stage of the ban, targeting trucks longer than 19 metres. Riverton has been described during the campaign by party sources as of concern to Labor, and in play.
Bunbury (Labor 0.9%) and Albany (Liberal 2.3%): The Liberals have targeted two marginals in one hit with their promise to spend $225 million building a natural gas pipeline linking Bunbury and Albany.
And here’s me in Friday’s Crikey. An important point missing from the article below is that the Buswell website was developed by Labor while he was still leader their error was in failing to recognise that the attack looked disproportionate after he’d quit.
With so much ammunition available to both sides, it comes as no surprise to find the WA election campaign dominated by negative advertising. Liberal mailouts have depicted Alan Carpenter projecting Brian Burke’s shadow onto a wall, while the six radio ads on the party’s website feature one Whingeing Wendy after another (in an interesting inversion of the situation in the party room, two-thirds of the voices are female).
For a party caught on the hop by an early election after a term consumed by leadership turmoil, such tactics might have been an operational necessity. The positive side of the Liberal campaign has won few admirers: policy announcements have been either re-heated or half-baked, with this week’s showpiece tax cut package criticised as both too modest and lacking in detail. The one television ad promoting Colin Barnett’s leadership qualities is either a conscious attempt to project an image of bland competence, or it indicates an even greater personality deficit than first feared. The party’s newer ad is more consistent with the tenor of the campaign, inviting viewers to spend a silent 30 seconds trying to think of “three good things Alan Carpenter’s Labor has done in eight years of boom”.
However, it’s been Labor’s tactics that have emerged as an election issue as the race enters the home stretch. On Wednesday the party launched an online dirt sheet called TruthAboutTroy.com, focusing on the colourful life and times of former leader and current Shadow Treasurer Troy Buswell. This was hardly the first time a made-to-order website had been used to attack political opponents, or even enemies within (most memorably in the case of the anti-Ted Baillieu website that was traced to Victorian Liberal Party headquarters). A Liberal-authorised federal election site called unionbosses.net continues to greet visitors with tales of “union thuggery”, “dirty tricks” and “Labor’s union links”, along with audio of former ALP member Dean Mighell employing intemperate language while addressing ETU members.
Part of the problem with Labor’s intensely personal attack on Buswell was that it arrived as concern over the campaign’s increasingly negative tone was ready to crystallise. It took only a short sharp talk radio backlash for Alan Carpenter to order that the site be pulled, with state secretary and safe seat candidate Bill Johnston sent out to face the music from a hostile Russell Woolf on ABC Radio. It was a different story earlier on in the campaign, when Labor took advantage of the Liberals’ unpreparedness to saturate Olympics schedules with ads promoting the government’s past achievements and future plans. With the website episode threatening to reinforce perceptions of arrogance and cynicism, it might be time for Labor to dust off its positive message in the final week of the campaign, shop-worn though it may be.
So that explains the stories on WAToday on Kingsley & Ocean Reef – I wonder if Fairfax had an inkling before they wrote the stories ?
Out of those 5 seats, most really are ‘Liberal’ type seats. Albany, Ocean Reef, Riverton and Kingsley would normally be won by a half-decent Liberal Party. The question is whether the 7% swing is being repeated in seats such as Mt Lawley, Southern River, Wanneroo etc. Hopefully one of the upcoming polls will shed light on this.
Once again, does anyone know when most people decide who to vote for? I remember reading that the vast majority of people have already decided the day before election day. WIll the westpoll on saturday have any impact?
Scratch what I said at #235. The Labor polling material being waved around during the intro and outro on the ABC News looked most comprehensive.
Today’s mailbox in Darling Range:-
One from Greens Senator Rachel Siewert. Points raised, dental health care, ageing and junk food.
Three from Labor. One personally addressed letter (to Mrs Bogan) from Lisa Griffiths, same as I got late last week. One glossy A4 sheet on which a variety of political, professional and community figures extol Ms Griffiths’ virtues. One glossy anti-nuke flyer with Labor not mentioned anywhere (but authorised by Bill Johnston).
Nothing from the Libs, which vaguely surprises me.
Mount Lawley:
1. Letter from Lib senator
2. Letter from local Lib
3. 8 A3 page brochure from local Lib
We got a big brochure from Labor on weekend.
With a result that close it will be interesting to watch the upper-house vote
This is the first election with the weighted Gregory transfer system, although it still retains the flawed system of distributing excluded candidates’ vote preferences.
Preliminary review of the Queensland Senate results are indicating that under a reiterative counting system the Greens could have been elected instead of an ALP third spot.
This analysis needs confirmation and I am told the JSEM has requested a report from the AEC.
Antony Green wrote an excellent review of the “Hypothetical” in relation to the Victorian Senate result which highlighted the need for value weighted Transfer System as WA has now adopted. (Thanks)
Hopefully Antony can do further analysis on the Queensland result and calculate the result by excluding all other candidates except the ALP and LAPtop three and the Greens number one candidate and distributing the vote as though the excluded candidates had not stood.
Does anyone know if WA will be data-entering in the preferences and if the preference data will be published?
Hopefully they will be publishing the upper-house polling place results and avoid the disastrous mistakes made in the 2006 Victorian State Election.
Maybe Labor has done so much pre-emptive leaking to “manage expectations” that it no longer works, ie people understand leaked polling is intended to create a perception (that Labor may lose) that people discount it as counterintuitive.
If that’s the case the correct spin would be for Carpenter to come out and say he is confident of a strong win.
Gary Adshead with Colin Barnett talking about Grafitti .
http://www.westtv.com.au/?Channel=At+Large&ClipId=1416_WAU1458&bitrate=300&Format=flash
Question: Will the WA electoral Commission be publishing statistics on the number of daily statical account of Postal/pre-poll issues/returned before the close of the polls? This information provides a good indication of how the marginals might pan out. If as William has indicated the Government may have a one seat majority the swing in the pivot seats may be greater then the average as the parties will be fighting hardest in these seats. The postal/pre-polls can give a clue to what’s happening on the ground.
ESJ (257) – Unfortunately most of the great unwashed are not politically sophisticated enough to know when they are being manipulated. That’s why all major political parties employ spin doctors to such great effect.
PM Story on the Polling leak.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/audio/2008/09/02/2353719.htm
I note these comments frmo Matt Birney, and note Paul Armstrong’s statement.
http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2008/s2353719.htm
Interesting, because Murray and Taylor seemed to have written the Libs off last week.
A shift in votes in the last week is not a new phenomenon. There is compelling evidence that it happened in the 2007 Federal election – a swing back to the Libs from polls showing around 55-45 a week before.
However, it is more an issue of voters making up their minds rather than changing them.
Few of the polls have published their “undecided” figures but I believe they are running at 10%+ which is high at this stage of the campaign. It says the election is still to be won (or lost).
Seems rather erratic – this sea-sawing – with the polls. I thought you’d just get a larger number of undecideds. And not what “appears” to be uming and awing going on….
How are undecideds factored into the polling info released? Isn’t it misleading not to publish it?
Perth Now have updated thier Uranium story to include the polling, which is really annoying as it makes no sense with the published comments.
http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,24282485-948,00.html
Question: We all know parties do expectations management, but do betting agencies do it? When we are told an agency took a bet of $x for either party, do we know this is the truth? Are the betting agencies allowed to lie?
Simon @ 266
“Undecideds” aren’t factored in, they are simply excluded. Which means pollsters assume their vote will similarly distributed to who gave their voting intention. To do ortherwise would be just guesswork.
winston @ 269
Thanks.
205 and 213. The polling place results are a good early indicator. Assuming that they are more or less the same collector district as before if you compare the first 3 booths or 10% of the vote should give you an indication of the comparative swing early on the night. Remember you must compare only those booths with the same booths that you have recorded on the night information.
Using this method along with local knowledge I was able to declare the results for Melbourne State seat much earlier then anyone else.
Robert Ray was a master at this sort of analysis and early picks.
Polling place results are fundamental as is information on the number of postal and pre-poll votes issued before the election along with the returns.
Sadly in the past this crucial information has been left unpublished and scrutineers often left in the dark as bundles of votes seem to appear from no where unexpected and not properly accounted for. Victoria 2006 is a good example of the problems that can arise by not maintaining a open and transparent electoral process. Information and statistical data provided in a timely fashion is a MUST, even more so as we begin to adopt a computerised counting system. Three months after the election is unacceptable and can not be justified.
We should know how many postal and pre-poll votes have been issued before election day.
We should daily how many postal and pre-poll votes have been returned.
All pre-poll votes should be received back before election day.
We should know on election night or at the latest the day after the number of absentee and section votes issued which should all be accounted for.
Ideally we should also know how many ballots were issued, used, unused and returned also.
We should also have certified copies of the data-entry preference data published prior to the calculation of the results and the declaration of the poll.
*** NOT THREE MONTHS AFTER THE ELECTION HAS BEEN DECLARED ***.
The above information should be published on the Electoral Commission’s web site as the information becomes available.
This information is essential in the proper scrutiny of the ballot and will play a significant roll should the result be close.delay in the publication of this information only brings the system into question. The commission should have nothing to hide by maintaining an open and transparent electoral process.
We MUST avoid the mistakes of the Victorian 2006 state Election
Newspoll just called me for a Poll being released on Friday in The Australian.
Was the basic party questions and how committed I was to my selection. The only non-standard question was on Uranium mining. “Do you support a ban on uranium mining in Western Australia”, it might have had reference to Alan Carpenter “Do you support Alan Carpenter’s ban on uranium mining in WA” not sure…and it was only 3 minutes ago!
268 Edward StJohn Betting agencies are not in the business of losing money. They have highly paid actuaries calculating the odds and on most case they hedge their bets. Its like betting on black or red on the roulette table and occasionally going down into the numbers for individual seat. the odds chsnge on a daily basis depending on the campaign and the amount they stand to lose in the worst case scenario.
I guess they could try and fix the results and have as much chance as influencing the outcome as the media do.
Steve – sorry about the abrupt response @ 249. Possum put it much better.
But you are right that the Essential guys did the MUA dispute – and the anti-Workchoices campaign.
Abit hard to comment on unseen polls of just 5 marginals that may swing more than th rest
In any event at face value figures hav conflicts Firstly Primarys Labor 34/48 seems to big a drop in such a short term , secondly Carpenter prefferred 46/37 is aliit,e inconsistent with 34/48 , Thidly Greens votes would hav been expected to increase relative to last electon other Partys anyway & likely increase further based on such a low Laborr vote yet 2PP on those ‘leaked’ figures allows all prefs split to Labor of 60% which seems inconsistent with “leaked” primary figures , and certainly inconsistent with what a State wide poll would be likely
not suprised they didn’t include jandakot in the marginal seats – by all accounts the libs are taking a bath in that seat.
Question: Are blogs, such as Pollbludger, covered by the media black-out prior to election day?
i thought it was just no paid advertising???
Clearly Liberal insiders can’t see Barnett getting over the wire – otherwise the $3.50 on offer at Centrebet would be snapped up.
Odds of 5/2 in a two horse race is enormous!
Williams analysis and prediction, although still a Labor win (just), demands a much shorter price for Barnett.
For the betting man, probability is the key here. Take the $3.50 for the Libs and if Labor blows to $1.50 (still Bernborough odds) make your Dutch book and pocket a tidy 5% in four days.
Or do the backroom Libs know better than William – that Barnett truly does deserve his long price.
It’s only paid advertising covered by the media blackout – news and comment are permitted 🙂
William.What are the odds that who ever wins the election represents a minority of the overall electorate? To what extent does the “gerrymander” come into play in WA?
Does any one have stats showing if the Marginal Seats swing is less more or the same as the average state. It pays to do a comparison with past elections including the Federal Election to determine the magnitude and direction of the likely swing.
A seat that swung heavily last election may not have the same momentum as one that moved slightly. Barometric bench mark is a good reference point to consider at this stage of the campaign.
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SeanofPerth I think it also prevents editorial comments on the election outcome also.
I’m surprised Bunbury wasn’t polled – especially after the scuttlebutt I heard at the ALP launch where John Castrilli and Steve Thomas were reportedly seen at the Football “Crying In Their Beers”.
Not anymore – hasn’t been for some years
bryce (279)
I think it’s more likely it would be the ALP insiders who would be snapping up the juicy odds. If you see any of them backing the Libs you can put your house on it.
Does anybody know if Brian Burke has made any comment on the election outcome? That would be more interesting.
This is from a 1993 ACMA Media Release and I’m assuming it is still in force today.
http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD/1001/pc=PC_90271
Labor adds concentrating on anti Uranium mining or Labor positives or , hopefully not other ‘negative’ subjects
I wonder if the Polling is a result of this Liberal Ad which is being getting saturated coverage ?
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=xuvI-K5sKnQ&eurl=http://www.wa.liberal.org.au/
And here is the Libs Law & Order Ad.
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=yrAs8VaqkFs
Frank that add in your #289 is an excellent politcal add , that would win votes as its a combined positive & negative add all in one Bracks used exactly same + & – add technique to cause Jeff Kennett’s surprise defeat Only counter is to use same + & – add technique back
People have been voting at remote polls all this week in the Kimberley. The Aboriginal vote in these areas tends to be pretty solidly for Labor. However the word is that voter turnout has been down across the region by up to a third.
I have also heard allegations that the electoral commission did not sufficiently advise some communities as to when they would be turning up and that some polling places also may not have had the usual ‘polling place’ signs up. Many people did not know the that they had to vote on the given day and were off doing other things.
This will cost Labor several hundred votes, which would wipe out most of Carol Martin’s notional margin. I will leave it to others to draw any moral conclusions from this.
I agree with Frank #289. Noticed that ad and thought it the most effective so far.
My impression is that a lot of people are annoyed about issues that are essentially federal in origin. While much of this, if true, may be a hangover from the long years of the Howard government’s approach to dealing with state governments, federal Labor has not helped to date either.
I get the sense that communication channels between WA Labor and Federal Labor are still nowhere near satisfactory to the state group. Working relationships between state and federal bureaucrats and politicians appear to be extremely ordinary to me. And that is being polite. It has been hurting for quite a while in areas of social policy where the state tends to be seen as the end service provider.
Really, federal Labor should be a hot chance to pick up Kalgoorlie at the next election, but don’t appear to see it as a priority. What would the effort be worth? 5%? What is the margin? Why is it not a target?
If Labor lose on Saturday, some attention should be focussed on the Rudd government and how well it is working with its state counterparts.
Robert Taylor sounding a bit like Dennis Shanahan in reverse:
It’s surely stretching the elastic to say Labor would retain a majority from 47 or 48 per cent, unless they get very lucky.
I wonder if Robert Taylor and The West are really wanting a Labor Victory so they could continue to attack it – if the Libs Win, they’d suddenly won’t have anyone to pick on.
Taylor is trying to debunk Labor’s polling. That is to say that it is still OK to give them a good kick if you want. But I suspect that it is really close.
So let’s consider a Barnett win… He would be the senior Liberal in the land, and the other state and federal leaders would come to him for advice on how to defeat the ALP hegemony. Milne and Shanahan would write columns lauding his acumen and praising his fantastic new team… -Nah, sorry. I can suspend my disbelief only so far. It ain’t gonna happen.
William’s one-seat win to Labor scenario sounds plausible, if pessimistic, and would certainly make things interesting. Shaving Labor’s margin to within a breath of government would make it hard for Barnett to do what he really wants to do, which is to wash his hands of all things politics, and get back to hugging his sheep. He’d almost have to commit to pushing on as Lib leader, praying for a by-election, maybe for another four years of herding the feral cats in his party room. I can’t ever see that sense of commitment on Colin’s face. He comes across as someone who doesn’t enjoy the cut and thrust of politics, at least as far as media relations go. He seems always on the point of petulantly throwing his policy notes in the air and storming off.
The ALP is genuinely dismayed about what it sees in its polling of the 5 marginals, but its release of the figures is very much about countering headlines in the Worst Australian such as “Labor landslide” -a beat-up of a single poll result by a disreputable pollster. The West Australian’s reporting of the election has been abyssmal. Win or lose, I hope the ALP makes a detailed complaint to the Press Council about the slanted coverage.
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/
Onselen predicts still Labor by a few seats
Taylor predicts comfortable Labor win, by 10 or so seats
Here is the direct link to the Lateline story.
http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200809/r288584_1232180.asx
Apparetly the Barnett Law & Order ads have been getting saturation coverage during the Morning News programs like Sunrise & Today, and the radio adds on 6PR & 6IX.
I’d like to see how the polling is once the Blackout on
TV & Radio ads kicks in at midnight Wednesday Night.
The Libs will celebrate across the country if Barnett wins. But if they do, Rudd should have a think about whether he wants more Liberal state governments to pop up or not and what he can do about it.
If Carpenter wins he will have much greater authority than he has had to date.