Morgan: 61-39

Today’s Morgan poll is a face-to-face survey of 842 voters, showing Labor’s two-party lead widening to 61-39 from 60.5-39.5 at the similar poll last week. This was conducted last weekend, and thus offers no guidance on the government’s honeymoon status in the post-FuelWatch leak era.

Other news:

• State and federal ministers met in Sydney today to discuss reform proposals being considered for a green paper to be issued in July, including bans on all corporate and union donations. The Coalition has confirmed that opposition is where it belongs by indicating it will oppose government legislation reducing the threshold for public disclosure of donations from $10,000 to $1000, after the previous government wantonly used its Senate majority to increase it from the existing $1500. A “Coalition spokesman” quoted by the Financial Review said the current government move was “like asking the Collingwood Football Club to review the AFL’s salary cap” – perhaps I should offer some sort of prize to the commenter who can best make sense of this analogy. Senators John Faulkner (Labor) and Michael Ronaldson (Liberal) jousted over electoral reforms during yesterday’s lively Senate estimates hearings, but transcripts are not yet available.

• A paper by Phillip Senior and Peter van Onselen on leadership effects in federal elections, published in the latest issue of the Australian Journal of Political Science, is freely available online (or at least, I thought it was – now I can’t find the link). Using Australian Election Study data from 1990 to 2004, they find leader preference scored higher than issue variables in driving vote choice at every election except 1998, when the GST mattered more than opinion of Howard or Beazley. The GST also scored notably high in 1993, though not as high as opinion of Keating.

• Unelected candidates for Franklin at the 2006 Tasmanian state election have been invited to nominate for the June 10 recount to replace Paul Lennon, who has retired from the parliament as well as the premiership. This will involve counting preferences from the 16,666 primary votes cast for Lennon, which will have gone overwhelmingly to unsuccessful Labor candidates Ross Butler and Daniel Hulme. Both the distribution of Lennon’s preferences and the primary votes (1066 for Butler, 620 for Hulme) suggest that Butler, taxi driver, retired school principal and former president of the Tasmanian Teachers Federation, will succeed in his bid for the seat. The Hobart Mercury reports that Hulme, a 28-year-old “former Labor student who has worked in Mr Lennon’s Kingston electoral office for the past year”, will also nominate.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. [Frank, I haven’t a clue about the case or the irony of Stuart Littlemore representing Mercedes Corby. Would you mind telling what this is about?]

    Mercedes sued BT for Defamation, she was represented by Stuart Littlemore who was the host of Media Watch who exposed Barcelona Tonight for telling porkies 🙂

  2. 49
    George, You’re obviously deeply disturbed by the people you encounter here.
    We’re just people, you know. Name calling isn’t nice. If William is prepared to tolerate the discussion, which some of us find very informative, from time to time, why can’t you?

  3. 49 My God the PollBludger has become a delusional socialist cesspit.

    George, then enlighten us with your version of reality. We are all ears.

  4. HSO@52

    He is still hurting Harry, six months on and the pain is still there, you no longer see the face on the TV, you no longer hear the voice, it hurts, OH GOD it hurts!!.

    I think you showed great compassion in your response to him.

  5. I recall during the week of “Strippergate” Rudd saying this had been a tough week, and he was expecting Labor to take a pounding in the subsequent polls.
    Guess what happened? Rudd’s ratings went up in the next Newspoll.
    Maybe the same thing will occur next Tuesday in Newspoll?

  6. Most horrifyingly for the bereft Liberal-fans, after the demise of -what’s his name, little bloke, big eyebrows, thick specs -there is no leader to whom they can anchor their hopes and morale.

    Nelson – “I’ve never voted Liberal in my life”? Nah, may be a Labor agent. Turnbull – republican, small l Liberal? Nope. Might as well be a Labor man too.

    Without the political anchor in whom they vested such faith for triumph, they’re floundering, sinking in despondency. Lashing out…

  7. 55
    Rod, it’s just really weird that if you think looking out for your fellow human beings is something like satanic. Is it that the natural order of things is to screw you’re fellow human beings? Perhaps George can enlighten us? Perhaps, George can provide us with a definition of delusional, and evidence that we are delusional? Perhaps, George would care to expand on his definition of a cesspit and explain why The Pollbludgers fits that definition. I’ll bet you any money you like he will not be heard from again.

  8. I’ll make this prediction about Newspoll. Nelson’s PPM and satisfaction ratings will hardly change (within MOE). Once a perception of a leader is established it is bloody hard to shift, particularly upward.

  9. [Will there be an orchestrated media campaign against the coming policy, the ALP and Penny in particular?]

    The Howard government spoilt these guys leaving the development of policy up to them. Now it is back in the hands of government they cant cope with being ordinary citizens.

    They have already started their bleating and attempts to undermine Labor policy. Reports that a Carbon tax is going to cost them x billion, that electricity prices will need to go this way and that, that they need free credits or the world will end and, a number of ‘reports’ that will come of how bad it will be for Australia if the govt does this or that. We will be inundated with misinformation.

  10. Greed is good. Liberals is the Party of Greed … cos I’m alright, Jack, so stuff the rest of you. It’s not a society they want; it’s a jungle, where dog eats dog, and the devil take the hindmost.

    They are on an ideological-class war against: employees, anyone not from the Big End of Town, and any easy minorities they can exploit for cheap political advantage.

    Cos I’m alright, Jack, so stuff the rest of you…

  11. On the other hand, perhaps George could have a look at the Montana etc. thread. If you want to get really upset, George, this is for you.

  12. Steve: a flatlining newspoll will make Shanahan and Milne look even stupider, after all their efforts this week to prop up Nelson and denigrate Rudd.

  13. 60
    Kina, I reckon there’s going to be an ongoing attack, but as I’ve said previously, I think Rudd is a very different beastie, who will go out and engage with the population, even when he knows they’re hostile to him, and that he’s just relentless. Wombat Boy?

  14. I’m an inarticulate member of the great unwashed, a tradesman, who left school at the age of 15, I am a Lurcher, love politics but have trouble putting my thoughts to paper. I usually only make comments during an election under various names the last being Eddie C, but this last two weeks of MSM claptrap has really pi**ed me off.
    I maybe a Soggy Watermelon Greenish on the outside and pinkish in the middle but I believe I keep an open mind,
    The MSM seem to think they have to attack the Rudd Government because Brenda and Co. are in so much trouble. No need to point out to point out the motives of Murdock’s Morons. I have never seen such twaddle written by so called Journalists as I have since Kevin Rudd Became leader of the Labor Party.
    Swan’s Budget with inflation on the rise was both cautious and daring, Daring to think of the long term future, something Howard never did,
    Spending on infrastructure, eg Public Transport is the only way to go, with China and India surging ahead and other Asian Nations following Oil reserves will be lucky to last a Hundred years.
    To argue about an unfunded price cut of $0.05 in the price one pays now is folly.
    Is it to much to ask for the Media to focus on the main game, Planet Earth is the only life boat we have

  15. I just wonder how far out he starts to implement his plans and how deeply he plans such as having plan Bs and disaster recovery plans.

    Like some have noted before it is conceivable some of the ‘stuff ups’ were deliberate to keep the LNP in limbo over the leadership and policy development. But then again Rudd might have us, like murdoch journalists, totally clueless and guessing what he is up to.

  16. 68 Kina
    Watching him smile tonight as he talked about copping a whack this week was a dead give away.
    He then totally dared Nelson to block Fuelwatch and kill it dead forever.
    He’s up to something or has a deathwish. What if he doesn’t even intend being around at the next election?

  17. Kina at #60 [and others].

    http://www.crikey.com.au/Politics/20061211-John-Howards-polluter-stacked-emissions-task-force.html

    That’s how Howard’s Coalition favoured the same fellas who are giving Penny [and us] a hard time. Check out the names.

    What a contrast in the way the 2 parties have approached climate change.
    In the words of the Crikey article:
    “The contrast couldn’t be starker. On the day when Labor put Peter Garrett in charge of climate change and the environment, John Howard announced a taskforce to establish an emissions trading system which is stacked with Australia’s biggest and dirtiest polluters.”

    Oops, I wonder what happened to Pete?
    I think Penny might handle these blokes better.

  18. Rudd and the Public Service from a Qld perspective.

    “IN the mid-1990s, Anna Bligh had to clean up the mess that Kevin Rudd left behind.
    In 1996, after the ALP was kicked out of office in Queensland, the party felt its relations with the state public service were so bad that it appointed a frontbencher specifically to build bridges with the bureaucrats it had alienated.

    One of the reasons for this alienation of the public service was the style of the head of the cabinet office under premier Wayne Goss, the now Prime Minister, Rudd.

    And the Opposition spokeswoman for public service matters appointed to get the Queensland public service back into the Labor fold was none other than the current Premier, Bligh, then in her first term as an MP.

    In the preceding election, where there had been a huge swing against the Goss government, a noticeable swing against the ALP occurred in seats where there was a high proportion of public servants.”

    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23786426-5013404,00.html

  19. Putting aside the sheer populism/ economic stupidity/ lack of costing of Nelson’s 5 cent proposal, i thought it was good politics. the fact that the polls havent shifted one iota indicates the massive hole the opposition are in.

    The other thing is, the Libs had children overboard, WMD, Hicks, Haneef, AWB and managed to survive 11 years, I think Rudd can survive 2 fuelwatch leaks!

  20. There’s a stinging article by Shaun Carney this morning in The Age that rips into both sides of politics and tells them to bloody-well grow up:

    http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/forgotten-themes-20080530-2jvu.html

    I am personally very disappointed that Rudd has descended into populism and taken Nelson’s bait on petrol pricing. I don’t care about Shanahan’s and Milne’s cynicism in pooh-poohing Nelson’s 5c reduction in excise as stupid and then raving on about the political genius of it as if that salvaged the situation. They’re obsessed – obsessed</i – with the Messiah Principle: that the Coalition will be back in office after only one term of Rudd government, if only they can find the right leader to bamboozle the public into believing that the glory days of Howardism can be resurrected if the voters don’t dilly-dally too long and let the Coalition fall apart.

    It already has fallen apart. Only the posturings and wet dreams of a few political journalistsare keeping the dream – or perhaps it’s a nightmare – alive.

    Carney argues that we’re at the start of another oil shock. In one way, it’s crept up on us, suddenly with a few speculators in London and elsewhere hedging and the market in general taking up the theme. In another way we’ve all been warned for years this was going to happen. These two phenomena represent the Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde of Rudd’s outfit.

    The Dr. Jekyll is sober, deliberative and focused on getting solutions right for the long term.

    The Mr. Hyde is harnessed to a 10 day political spin cycle that thinks a good headline in The Daily Telegraph will immunize their fortunes and our economy against the simple fact that the World is running out of oil.

    Much of the commentary on these pages (my own included) has been about the latter: the daily argey-bargey of pointless point-scoring (if you get my meaning) and the process of lampooning Nelson, Turnbull and the rest of them – including spruikers and urgers in the Media – as politically inept and delusional. It hardly elevates the debate. OK, so a bit of to-and-fro is good for a laughm but Rudd’s government is taking it too far. Ex-Sussex Street brawlers are now ministers. Branch stackers have thousands of people working for them. Labor has a country to run and a pathetic $hit-stir about Fuelwatch versus Excise Reduction is the best they can come up with? It’s no good at all.

    Not.At.All.

    I don’t know for sure, but I get the feeling that Rudd has appointed spin doctors on a kind of fixed term arrangement. Like the patient who doesn’t really trust his doctor, but sticks with him because he has decided to see the treatment out, come hell or high water. Just as a man with a hammer only sees nails, a spin doctor can only see opportunities to bull$shit. They bull$hit first, before they even consider telling the truth. It’s a habit they have. Even when you hear them say, “In a situation like this it’s best to fess up and tell the truth,” you know it’s only because they think they can pull the wool over the public’s head by appearing to be sincere.

    My theory is that Rudd and his government have said to themselves “We’ll give these spin merchants 12 months and then review it. In the meantime, we’ll take all of their advice. After all, we’re paying good money for it. We’ll ‘see the treatment through to the bitter end.” If this is so, then it’s wrong, wrong, wrong.

    Maintaining a 75% popularity as PM and a 60% 2PP lead as a party is so much vapourware. The lead is evanescent, fleeting, temporary: but it’s how spin doctors get paid… for this kind of phoney, meaningless performance… like some over-priced CEO who gets the share price up (and his performance dividend paid) but wrecks the company doing it; or the doctor who relieves some of the symptoms but kills the patient by delaying treatment of the core disease.

    Rather than let the Media take the lead by asking infantile questions, or (as Milne did) dismissing 99% of Australia’s economists and business people as “elites” for criticising Nelsons fuel “solution”, Rudd and his government should be educating the public that there are no instant solutions to, not only 12 years of Howard profligacy and demegoguary, but to the crisis based on growth without consequences that we’re facing in general.

    He should be hammering home the plain and simple fact. It is this: unless we pull our heads in and start looking after the planet we live on, we’ll be like those passengers in furs and top hats, plus life jackets, swilling champagne on the Titanic until the water comes up to drown us. We will sink under the waters, a failed, forgotten species that – for a while – dominated the Earth, but eventually handed it back to its rightful owners, the cockroaches.

    I know there still has to be room for “The Politics” of the situation, but the last week has been an unedifying spectacle of idiotic posturing and irrelevant noise from both sides. Rudd should sack whoever is advising him that he is, in effect, still in Opposition, and that he should time his policy announcements and Prime Ministerial activities around whenever the next Newspoll is coming out. Let the real Opposition play that game.

    Rudd needs to learn that people want him to govern, not give even the slightest breath of oxygen to Nelson, Shanahan, Milne, Robb, Turnbull and the rest of those losers and wreckers who laughingly call themselves “Conservatives”. All they are conserving is their reserved seat at the stern of the Titanic as it slips under the waves forever with them toasting each other in the meantime.

  21. BB, I think he is trying to do this – his speech in Parliament the other day (I’ll find a link and get back to you) – was all about the bigger picture when it comes to fuel prices.
    He talked about hybrid cars, public transports, alternative fuels and the need to lessen our dependance on petrol. He also talked about the inevitability of further fuel price rises.
    The ‘spinners’ are not the government but the media, which choses not to report speeches like this.
    It’s not the only example, either – I have seen several cases where the government media releases on an issue are quite straightforward and facts-based, but the media reporting put a spin on it that simply wasn’t there to begin with.
    Anyway, I’ll go and find a link to Rudd’s speech – it’s really worth reading.

  22. http://parlinfoweb.aph.gov.au/piweb/view_document.aspx?id=2811705&table=HANSARDR

    So he sets out, firstly, the pressures on fuel prices, and the international experience, then talks about various measures – investment in hybrid cars, public transport, tax cuts – which will help people deal with them.

    A lot of emphasis here on getting people out of cars, nothing (that I can see) about making fuel cheaper.

    None of this reads like populism or cowardice to me.

    I have said it before: Rudd is deliberately letting the issue run, so he can use it to educate people about the subject.

    Otherwise we’d still be talking about alcopops and deprived pensioners.

  23. #77

    All that is great. But Rudd flagging the possibility of dropping the GST from fuel was still a silly move. He could have taken the economic high ground and therefore chipped further away at the Coalition’s faux economic credibility. Instead, he took the populist route.

    And the reason for this is because he (and/or his minders) were being too concerned about the polling cycle. It was a counter-move designed to head off any popular advantage the opposition might have gained from their plans to cut fuel excise. This is the sort of crazy stuff that happens in the heat of an election campaign when one side is trying to maintain their poll advantage, but completely unnecessary when we are two and a half years from the next election.

    I realize the media aren’t interested in stories that involve solving real-world problems, especially the Murdoch group, but I would still have preferred to see Rudd talking about the real solutions to the cost of fuel rather than going for cheap headlines.

  24. Bushfire Bill @ 75

    Thanks for your lucid analysis and cogent conclusions. A great deal of food for thought there.

  25. Frank Cal. #34.
    I also watched that show,u also noticed they didn’t mention the Utilitys allowance for Pensionners has also been increased.

  26. Zoom at 77
    “I have said it before: Rudd is deliberately letting the issue run, so he can use it to educate people about the subject.
    Otherwise we’d still be talking about alcopops and deprived pensioners.”

    I agree with you (hey where did those pensioners and alcops go? )

    If Rudd doesn’t play the game MSM would say he had “gone missing” or that he had no reply for Brendas “great” 5c policy. Unfortunately you can’t ignore the media scumbags and Kev has shown he’s more than capable of mixing it with the worst of them.
    Given that the only politics most people see are the 20 second news grabs it’s no good him trying to explain to the public about world oil prices etc as all they want is a quick solution and someone nearer home to blame.
    So Rudd has given them something simple Fuelwatch to keep the bastards (oil companies) honest. It might be cheap politics but what’s the point of going into detail if you know you won’t be heard?

  27. Re the Goss election loss. wasnt it because the greens preferenced to Nats or Libs in the 6 or so “koala seats” that Goss then lost?
    I could be wrong, haven’t looked it up. It’s just in the back of my mind, the greens protests about saving koalas and getting rid of Goss?

  28. Hmmm, I think you’re right BB. While Rudd might be talking about “the bigger picture” the action seems to be around the little stuff. I watched Q&A on Thursday and was pretty disappointed overall. One thing that did strike me was Plibersek talking up transport infrastructure funding – when most of it will be going to roads. The end result will be that we’ll have lovely roads but nobody on them. SMH reported almost as much with the patronage figures on public transport in Syndye: http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/petrol-crisis-fuels-crush/2008/05/29/1211654221491.html However there appears to be quite a lag between the prices heading into the stratosphere (even if they come back down soon) and the rails going in – the Metro train plan seems to be pushed back and back, and the Epping-Chatswood line wont be able to take all the (new) rolling stock (thats just bad engineering). NSW in particular seems to have plan after plan, but no hard decisions to start spending – but we do get more money for more feasibility studies!

    I think it was Ross Gittens a few days ago who had a go at both sides about their fetish for arguing about petrol prices (5c vs 2.5c), but particularly Rudd for failing to just brush past Nelson and getting on and governing. But then, after 11 years of Howard, maybe we’ve gotten used to that style of Govt and are still exoecting to see it?

  29. Vera@81
    Yes, it was the freeway decision (I think it was 4 seats in the end), but then I would still argue that if Goss was doing such a great job why did he need to rely on just those 4 seats? I note that Beatty went on to create something of a dynasty by actually governing – however populist and dictated by ‘spin’. But the lesson for the ALP surely was that you ignore local issues at your peril – they can matter big time. And while losing government might seem a big price to pay because of some koalas, maybe it was also a rejection of a ‘style’ of governing that had been all too prevalent under Bjelke-Petersen & co.

  30. People seem to be assuming that we’re NOT in an election cycle.

    At present, I believe Rudd is keeping his options open and that a DD is a real possibility.

    He doesn’t have control of the Senate at present, which is a minor annoyance when you’ve got a big policy agenda. But he won’t have control of it come July, either – and, as the Victorian experience shows, minor parties and independants can’t always be relied on.

    So, at present, I believe that Rudd does see himself as being in election mode. He is not only preparing DD triggers but he is positioning himself for possible early election.

    So polls do matter. And scoring of the Opposition matters. And addressing popular concerns matters.

    It may never happen – the new Senate might be perfectly amenable to Labor’s agenda and the government may serve its full term.

    But at present, Rudd is leaving his options open.

  31. The fact is Public Transport has always had problems. There was never a time in the past when the trains always ran on time (except under the Nazis as the old joke goes). It seems nobody can fix public transport as it was never correct in the first place.

  32. “I am personally very disappointed that Rudd has descended into populism and taken Nelson’s bait on petrol pricing.” Hang on BB, Rudd didn’t take any bait. He had proposed Fuelwatch in opposition and had promised to introduce it well before Nelson decided on his dog of an idea. Rightly or wrongly that is the order in which events took place so Rudd didn’t respond to anything Nelson proposed on this matter in fact vice versa.

  33. 88
    Gary Bruce

    I think the reference might be to Rudd’s decision to look at removing the GST on the excise. Some here have said that they see this as a weakness. I think it’s a good idea – a tax on a tax was always a rip off.

  34. 89 Steve K – Having read more posts here I think you’re right on the first point Steve. I also think you’re right on the second point. How any government can justify keeping a tax on a tax is beyond me. Maybe someone can explain why such a tax should be kept.

  35. 90 – I can. In order to adjust the GST on anything you need the all states to agree. Given the rumbles of some of the State Treasurers, this might be a difficult task. I suggest instead they lower the excise by 3.45 cents to take into account the GST. Same end result without needing to deal with the states.

    However, as petrol increases in price the States are making off like bandits as for every 10 cent rise in the price they get an extra cent. (Is any wonder why they seem to care less than the Feds?)

  36. Take all the GST off and states will rebel. Take half off and states still making a killing.

    Also, Rudd said Henry will have a look at removing it, did not say he would do it. Quite frankly, I don’t think it will ever see the light of day.

  37. Blair S. Fairman@87
    Indeed, there wasn’t such a time, but I do remember when they existed – along with trams and trolley buses (okay I don’t remember trams, but I do remember the tracks and lines!). Sydney once had the most extensive tram network in the world – now nothing but the odd tram line in the roads exists. The trains have not progressed much in the past 30 years (the Epping-Chatswood line will be the first in that time), and the planning for the future always seems to be just that – planning – but no doing.

    When Perth reintroduced trains, after a hiatus on the Fremantle line under Charles Court, and electrified them the jump in patronage was significant – they were fast and efficient compared to the old diesels, and whats more they generally ran on time (see – some them did!). Having travelled on a stinking hot day on an overcrowded, non-airconditioned train with a broken brake that the driver had to get out and assault with a lump of wood here in Sydney (and these carriages are still in service 5 years on) I can tell you that improvement would be a good thing!

    ps: I always thought the reference to the trains running on time was to Mussolini and the Italian train system – I could be wrong here!

  38. Steve 73
    I was working in a Queensland Gov’t Department during that period(now retired). The Public Service under Joh was bloated without any real get up and go. This is no reflection on any individuals but a general comment.

    Goss changed that for the better at least in the Department where I was. I could see that while there would be pain in the restructuring, in time it would be for the best . It was a time of opportunities for those who were willing to work and implement changes. While some people were hurt there were generous financial packages for those who wanted to go. Nobody was forced to leave.

    I believe it was necessary. Rudd was part and parcel of this change although I did not know about him at the time. Change will always cause resentment amoungst those who simply do not like change and are too comfortable where they are. But it was necessary.

    Rudd looks like he is going to do the same thing with the Commonwealth Public Service and it will not make him popular with them. But you must govern irrespective of the popularity of some decisions.

    Change like this is always unpopular. Goss in my opinion was a far better Premier than Beattie as he was willing to make the tough decisions. He lost Goverment because of trying to put a highway to the Gold Coast through an environmentally sensitive area but Beattie regained it after only 1(or2?) terms, the Conservative Gov’t being hopeless. Progress and people’s needs have to be always balanced against the Environment and I am not saying Goss did the wrong thing.

    I am with those who think that Rudd is educating the people regarding the Global effect on the price of petrol. Remember his statement at the Q&A a week ago(“we are doing all we can”). It was grossly misrepresented but the public reaction surely indicated, despite journalist hacks saying different, that the people were as a whole not aware of the Global impacts. After the headlines in the last week, most surely do know. Rudd may loose some bark in the shortterm but it will certainly pay off in the long term as his Gov’t will escape the backlash from the public on the future rise of petrol prices.

    None of the above is the action of a man who lacks courage. The media are having a field day at the moment cutting down the tall poppy but I believe this will be shortlived. But you cannot maintain a 60% 2pp forever when governing properly.

  39. 86 – If Rudd was to go done the Double Dissolution path, he’ll want to have everything lined up and ready to go as it is not likely the ALP will get a senate majority in a DD as they need over 46.1% of the primary vote in the Senate to get half the seats and then need to find one more on top of that. So any legalisation they want to get passed needs to be voted on in the joint sitting.

    Interestingly, If the past election had been a DD and joint sitting held, then the ALP would not actually have a majority. They would have 115 out of 228 but they still require a chair who doesn’t vote (except in ties and then for the negative by convention). They could always get an independent to chair too but this all academic anyway as it is not post DD parliament.

    Certainly, a big loss in a DD in 2009 would devastate the Liberals, particularly if the leadership issue is not sorted before hand.

  40. 94- You’re probably right about the Facsists being one’s who get the trains to run on time. Might be the new policy of the Liberals in NSW. 🙂

    And I do agree that Sydney public transport is shambolic. It is just nobody has the learn term vision, which is a fault of the way our democracy has gone more than anything else.

  41. Blair and Thomarse good point and possibly a good solution but how would Rudd credibly argue a cut in excise when he has already canned the 5c drop in excise by the Liberals?

  42. GB, has a politician ever had to offer a credible argument for giving people a tax cut? If the removal of the GST on petrol excise is presented as part of a package which includes more money for hospitals, schools, and roads then I don’t think the states will have much to complain about either. Also, I don’t think Labor will lose many votes by being seen to work the public service too hard.

    The only difficulty for Labor this week has been countering the media’s assertion that 4 departments and 1 minister trump the ACCC. I think Graeme Samuel did an admirable job of defending the integrity of his organisation against this despite the implications of bias by PM and other outlets that his position is up for review shortly so he would support the government wouldn’t he.

    Newspoll will decide the future of the ‘honeymoon’ meme.

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