Super Tuesday for dummies

225 comments on “Super Tuesday for dummies”

1. Dyno “They elected George twice – therefore no reason to think McCain is unelectable. ” One reason for not getting hopes up. However, I would point out the smashing the GOP received at the mid term (2006) vote. Agree with you about Reagan. I don’t think he could take any other position on iraq now.

2. Do all Democrat voters cast a donkey vote?

3. Ron, those voter blocks will start to look a lot different after the nominee is chosen. I suspect the Republicans are lying low on Obama cause they want him to win, just as many Democrats would prefer McCain to lose, as he is their strongest player.
   And ironically it looks like he is going to win and I wonder at that, do the voters know best after all, considering that his campaign was a white wash a few months ago?
   KR, it looks like it is going to be a really exciting ride for the Democrat nominee over the next few months, may the best person to beat the Republicans win! Thank goodness the ALP won our election, else this would be really, really agonizing! ( Still just feel relieved constantly…….:) )

4. Agree FG, the head-to-head polls are only a rough guide at this stage.
   Although I wouldn’t write off McCain, you’d have to think the Dems should be significantly favoured to win this, whoever is running for them.

5. 148
   Aussieguru01

   I don’t have any ‘it’ to take eslewhere! At least not as far as GG is concerned.

   Engaging with moronic abusers is of no interest to me, and I was more than comfortable seeing the last one get slapped by William for a being a repeat offender.

6. fair point Ferny

   the sleeper issue for McCain facing any Democrat is that he is more right than Bush in being ‘pro life’ and anti abortion

   Whilst the religious blocks are very strong in the US , I suspect McCain’s zero abortion under any circumstances will favour the Democrats
   under any circumstances

7. 149
   Dyno

   What I was trying to convey there Dyno was the whole mythology of Reagan stands on a couple of pillars, one is the myth that he somehow improved the US economy by slashing taxes (while running the budget into deficit). In other words, the utterly ham-fisted ‘tax cut’, “look at me, I’m a re-run of Reagan”, which Bush has foistered on them, is now looking like a nasty bait and switch.

   The upper decile of earners got the bait and the rest of them got the switch.

   This mantra of supply side economics is all but worn threadbare, and even some serious conservatives must be looking in horror at what Bush has bequeathed them. McCain can hug Reagan all he likes, but I think the mystic is wearing thin, and independents will be more sceptical of a recipe which they are seeing fail (big time), right before their eyes.

   That’s what I was trying to say in shorthand.

8. Mr KR,

   You sir are to be congratulated for putting Liberal scum like the Greensborough Growler in their place. Keep the dream alive.

9. Someone said McCain would be smarter than George W which is true but only just. George W has an IQ (lets not quibble about using IQ as a measure of intelligence) of about 127, which is actually much the same as almost all the candidates who are 120-130. There are a couple higher with McCain, Obama, Paul and Richardson in the low 130s and the highest (not surprisingly IMHO) being Hillary at 140.

10. ah, that should be “mystique” and not “mystic”, but then again, considering Nancy’s proclivities, maybe ‘mystic’ is not that far wrong! LOL

11. 159
    Diogenes

    ha ha! By that system the Evil Genius would win every vote! (Oh, except Evil Geniuses almost never enter elections! Damn!)

12. Diogenes do you have a link on that IQ stuff? Sounds interesting.

13. With trepidation Diogenes given your undoubted qualifications in this area , but IQ’s you quoted made George Bush close to Obama, Paul and Richardson on IQ

    which makes me believe commonsense of which bush would appear to have a minus in is unrelated to IQ ?

14. Thankyou Willam for all this work it is much appreciated.

15. Time reported McCains IQ as 133 a while back. The rest are here. Some of the famous people’s IQs can only be highly speculative, although the politicians are always the lowest…

    http://www.kids-iq-tests.com/r-prez.html
    http://www.kids-iq-tests.com/d-prez.html
    http://www.kids-iq-tests.com/famous-people.html

16. Bruce Shapiro as I thought I heard it on Philip. California tech voting system broken. Correction welcome if I fail to report accurately.

    Reverting to pencil and paper.

    Hanging chads scenario.

    This, of all States.

    Darryl. Obama did speak well. Try YouTube for even more elevating speeches..look for ‘Yes, we can’.

    Bear in mind, though, that elevating speeches do not necessarily move the turgid from their self imposed immersion in muddied flats, or even quicksand.

17. 157 KR,
    Don’t underestimate the electoral power of low taxes. There’s a lot of people who take the attitude that they can spend their own money better than the Government can. (I might even be one of them!)

18. Should add that George W really does have that IQ. His SAT certificate from Yale is on the internet somewhere. The Washington Post published it. The scores are 566 (of 800) for verbal and 625 (of 800) for Math. This equates to an IQ of 127. I’m not surprised verbal was less than math.

19. Clinton vs Obama latest California Polls

    California SurveyUSA Feb. 3 53% 41%
    California SurveyUSA Feb. 4 52% 42%
    California Zogby……. Feb. 3 40% 46%
    California Zogby……. Feb. 4 36% 49%

    One strongly for clinton and one strongly for Obama
    One Pollster will be embarassed

20. What a joke! Muhhamed Ali has an IQ of 78 and Spiro Agnew has an IQ of 135? Give me a break.

21. It is all about the character of the individual.

    Mohammed could steal your money on the street.
    Agnew could steal your money from an office.

    Who ya gonna call.

22. 167
    Dyno

    Believe me, I know what you mean! LOL

    However in the US context it’s almost like the Civil War never finished, not just between the North and the South, but the whole idea of a Federal Government is anathema to so many who are either state parochials or outright anarchists. I don’t get the feeling we have anything like this intensity here, and judging from their loopiest exponents, we don’t get the violent seccessionists who want to leave ANY system of taxation and central government.

    The whole Reagan myth, like it’s religious component, panders shamelessly to these ignorant folk, who see government as some impediment to society, and not the very glue that holds it together.

23. well I know you I would not front to get my money back

24. Same old, same old, but no swallowing.

    Good news sport fans, the Zimmer frame is in the shed, alas for maintenance.

    The bad news, ABC FC Report on the good ship lollypop for all day suckers.

    Hilly Silly Willy says ‘We must resume our leadership of the world’. Oh dear…the PNAC lifeline…off the bow…

    Hussein says ‘We must show more care & thought on “exiting” Iraq than entering’…the PNAC lifeline…off the stern…

    This is choice…the dog, it’s mine, here, f*ck it (Sorry ESJ, bitsa) & while you’re at it, b*gger me gently.

    & some senior citizen McSame says ‘there will be more wars’ & ‘sprints’ clear ‘on’ the other side. Ah, such pace.

    Seriously, they just don’t get it. Lilly pads forever.

    Hey Diogenes, from my diagnosis I’ve concluded he’s nuts and a clear & present danger, as they say in the jungle. Can confirm?

    It could be worse; saw Kerry eat Brendan; he did chew but didn’t swallow; just spat; will Superman get the same treatment?

    Hey KR what orifice don’t you get up round here? I see the horse is now naying at your nether. Or, there abouts. Smacked the pony, ay?

25. 142
    Robert Bollard

    Enjoyable post, thanks.

    (Apart from one dreary exception, the quality of this board has improved immeasurably since a certain badmouth got the boot.)

26. Dyno politically you are right.

    Howard tried it in 07 as its an historical election winner
    expecting Labor as per history not to offer tax cuts but to spend the equivalent on social issues etc and lose

    Kevin07 did not take the bait…of course economically those tax cuts are a problem but guess its better to be in power to fix the economics than be pure in opposition

27. KR @ 172, if you look at the quality of American governance over the last 200 odd years, those raccoon hat wearing, pitchfork wielding, secessionist nutters have a bit of a point.

28. KR @172,
    Agree with you that the US has more than its fair share of loonies. Put it this way, more people have been attacking McCain for being too left than for being too right so far in this campaign.
    On the role of government, I actually don’t see it an an impediment, or as the “glue …”. Somewhere in between the two, in my view.

29. 174
    codger

    Love it!

    just don’t go changin’, you hear?

    I think the Billy Bo Jangles did the slappin’, which was ironic, what?

    If the arse-end of the horse snorts too much, he’ll be needing a change of costume, what would you recommend?

    I just lurv gittin’ up the dullwads or-e-fiss, gives ’em a frill!

30. I’ve just read an opinion article on the NYT site titled “Yes, You Can Dance to It”. The article is basically rubbishing the recent YouTube Yes We Can video (posted 3 days ago and already viewed more than 1.2 times). Now given that this is The New York Times, a paper that has endorsed Hillary, and according to the polls – representing a pro-Hillary community (Hillary ahead by 18%) – one would expect a balanced or even pro-Hillary commentary on the article from the public. Instead – and this is the interesting bit – the vast majority of comments are pro-Obama (some are really impressive), several opposing the NYT bias, and only a couple pro-Hillary or supporting of the article.

31. 177
    Possum Comitatus

    ROFLOL!

    Gotta admit, you have one hell of a point there Possum, but instead of delivering the entire country to the point of Deliverance, maybe improving the standard of said governance would be a step in the right direction!

32. what “Gory Glory” vs “Dixie” KR ,

    the South may have lost the war but not the battle how to brew

33. #180
    should have said “viewed more than 1.2 million times”

34. 178
    Dyno

    yeah, attacking McCain as a ‘lefty’ is so friggin’ bizarre, it makes me wince to think of where their heads are at!

    As for the ‘glue’, well I offer you the Kenyan elections…

    (you get my point, we’d be shooting each other in the street within days without a collective sense of government which we can change in a civilised fashion, and hopefully get some good done from, even occasionally!)

35. codger- I posted on the last thread that 49% of POTUS had a diagnosable mental illness, with 27% exhibiting signs during their term enough to affect them. I’ll repost an article from earlier.

    There is a great article comparing levels of psychopathology on 291 world famous men. The groups were (including a % of severe psychopathology using DSMIIIR); scientists (18%), composers (31%), politicians (17%), artists (37%), thinkers (26%) and writers (46%).

    Reference: Brit J Psychiatry (1994), 165, 22-34.

    Listing all the politicians in terms of severity;

    None: Briand, Franco, Gandhi, Metternich, Smuts, Stresemann, Thiers

    Mild: Asquith, Ben Gurion, Bethmann-Hollweg, Garibaldi, Lenin, Mao-Zedong, Masaryk, Mazzini, Nkrumah, Poincare, FD Roosevelt, Sun-Yat-Sen

    Moderate: Adenauer, Cavour, Chiang Kai-Sek, Churchill, Clemenceau, Gambetta, Gladstone, De Gaulle, Lloyd George, Mussolini, Nasser, Nehru, Palmerston, Parnell, Peel, Peron, Pilsudsky, Stalin, Venizelos

    Severe: Bismarck, Bulow, Disraeli, Hitler, Ataturk, Lincoln, O’Connell, Woodrow Wilson.

36. Davidoff

    “fair & balanced” Fox news believe the NYT is ‘left’ biased

    now we have ‘left of left’ biased vs ‘right of left’ bias

    no wonder hip hop took off

37. But it’s just not as much fun that way KR, and it’s damn hard to place the idea of “competent government administration and policy development” into grand messianic narratives involving lots of rugged individualist types overcoming the adversity of Armageddon in the backwoods of Montana

38. 183
    davidoff

    Zino!

    We knew that!

    But hey, not bad for something which has been posted for a day! Crikey, if all those youtubers (sounds like some strange cloning vegetable in the garden) actually leave their computers long enough to vote…

39. Arh, a day or ‘three’, but who is counting?

40. Possum #177 From the mouths of lunatics half-truths often emerge.

    As an example of the sort of left/right semi-convergence this can lead to – Gore Vidal struck up an interesting relationship with the Oklahoma bomber on the basis of a realisation that there was an underlying, albeit twisted, logic to his motivation. And IMHO you can’t do much better than Vidal for a starting point for understanding the American Republic. He has no answers – no solutions. But he comes from the heart of the ruling elite and dissects it with the honesty of an artist. A great anatomist if no physician.

41. 187
    Possum Comitatus

    Except when it end like Waco there’s a tendency for the mythology to be self-perpetuating.

    Maybe the nutters have a point. (But is it worth getting immolated for, ah, there’s the question!)

42. New polls out today,

    Seems absolutely nobody has a clue as to who is going to win California. About 50-50 in all – I think one poll had Obama winning by 6?

    If a published poll is, for example, at 47-45, does that (in the US) mean the missing percentage are undecided? Or those who are voting for a withdrawn candidate (such as Edwards) anyway?

43. 184 KR,
    Sense of government and respect for the rule of law and the constitution – yes it is a big part of the glue.
    Government itself – only maybe.

44. 190
    Robert Bollard

    And Gore, unlike Wolfe, actually had enough revulsion to leave and make his life outside of it.

45. Max , I don’t understand the huge variances

    Clinton vs Obama LATEST California Polls

    California SurveyUSA Feb. 3 53% 41%
    California SurveyUSA Feb. 4 52% 42%
    California Zogby……. Feb. 3 40% 46%
    California Zogby……. Feb. 4 36% 49%

46. Must go to bed now. Gong Xi Fa Cai! Chinese New Year tomorrow, which means that I have to transport the family to the other side of the city at noon and spend the whole afternoon and evening with my Chinese in-laws. Great food, but Christ I’ll be stressing out for some info re the results.

47. 193
    Dyno

    One is the ideal, for which we all like to claim we aspire, while the other is the actuality, which sure, ain’t the former, but it’s what we have. Either live with it, improve it, or we descend into anarchy (with racoon skin caps!)

48. 196
    Robert Bollard

    Gong Xi Fa Cai!

    To you too, Pollbludgin’ tragic!

49. Ron… I can only assume they ask slightly different questions? I’d say one of the two companies are going to look pretty stupid come end of polling, but chances are the result will be somewhere in the middle…

    RCP average has Obama up by 1.2… which, when considering margin of error, is probably post accurate.

50. The shadow thats cast for the home of capitalism is the strengh of the dollar
    is the basis of their consumerism & living standards

    which is only strong whilstever the Arab oil richs are sold uin US dollars AND the Chinese but US dollars from the US Treasury at approx 1 billion a day

    the ultimate irony …the pagan Arabs and the communist Chinese are US saviours

    ….for the moment

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