The latest monthly Freshwater Strategy poll from the Financial Review has the Coalition maintaining the 51-49 two-party lead it opened in the previous poll, from primary votes of Labor 32% (up one), Coalition 41% (up one) and Greens 12% (down one). Anthony Albanese is up a point on approval to 35% and down three on disapproval to 45%, while Peter Dutton is up a point on each to 37% and 40%. Albanese’s lead on preferred prime minister narrows from 45-39 to 45-41. The poll was conducted Friday to Sunday from a sample of 1061.
It was noted over the weekend that in that TSP article about Advance targeting the Greens that there was virtually no information about this alleged polling given like who conducted it, by what method, sample size etc etc and so that the results should be viewed with caution……….
‘NSW Liberal senator Hollie Hughes (who has lost her spot on the NSW senate ticket for the next election) used that same Sky interview to weigh in on Zali Steggall’s comments about Peter Dutton.’
“I think she should absolutely apologise, but it’s so typical of those of the left when they have nothing left in their argument, they go for personal smears. …
“The ideological driven left so intellectually bereft, all they have to go on is personal smears, time and time again. We know that the Teals are nothing but greens in a Gucci jacket and it’s just appalling that they are basically behaving like useful idiots for those who must support us.”
(Guardian blog)
Recent evidence suggests that Hughes’s NSW Liberal colleagues are ‘useless idiots’. 🙂
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2024/aug/19/australia-politics-live-iron-ore-price-budget-unions-immigration-labor-coalition-cost-of-living
… the levy on Gambling companies would plummet like a stone as their revenue would be significantly diminished (the advertising works – that’s why they do it)…
The Ads certainly help FTA TV revenue, but is there any research that says banning ads would hurt the betting companies?
Because, I doubt it makes much difference to the betting companies bottom line, but FTA TV are making out like bandits.
A glaring example of Albo and his shambolic ‘administration’ being in the pocket of Big Business, imo.
No no your right Page, it shouldn’t be trusted… in a vacuum. I would say that the Labor parties behaviour is why is trust that a decent portion of voters view the current government as self serving
The gambling companies must believe advertising helps their bottom line, else they wouldn’t do it.
Lordbain says:
Monday, August 19, 2024 at 11:27 am
No no your right Page, it shouldn’t be trusted… in a vacuum. I would say that the Labor parties behaviour is why is trust that a decent portion of voters view the current government as self serving
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Cannot help yourself. On a psephology blog 😉
There could be a lot of reasons why Gambling Companies advertise on FTA.
Perhaps it’s insurance against a long running current events program campaign, something like that?
Would FTA shake down ‘vulnerable’ industries?
I don’t know, but it’s always better to pay up than find out.
edit:
It wouldn’t surprise if the Betting guys prefer to keep their money, so the issue is Labor being in the pocket of Big Business, an ongoing story
What’s wrong Griff, with acknowledging information and data from a single source may be dubious, but as part of a larger pattern its hardly unique?
Given attitudes have changed significantly over time, your hypothetical question is almost meaningless. However, it is worth noting that the acknowledged racist Prime Minister John Curtin, detained thousands of Jewish refugees during WWII – now known as the Dunera boys.
https://www.nla.gov.au/digital-classroom/year-10/internment-world-war-ii-1939-45/themes/dunera#
FUBAR, are you implying we shouldnt judge a population based on the actions of a few terrorists trying to establish a nation state for themselves?
No, I was demonstrating that Rewi’s attempt to sledge Dutton was a piss poor attempt because they clearly weren’t aware of what actually happened in WWII.
I really didn’t think it needed to be spelled out.
I note that no one has ever responded to my point re Palestinians coming out of Gaza – the fact that UNRWA, that has operated within the occupied territories for decades, had no idea that it had Hamas terrorists working for it who took part in the atrocities of 7 October and somehow completely missed the massive infrastructure building by Hamas, using UNRWA supplied building supplies, and in and under UNRWA schools and hospitals, how can we expect ASIO to be able to identify terrorists or sympathisers coming out of Gaza?
FUBAR, thats a lie, because amongst others I responded on that point, noting that UNRWA would have different checks for workers in their homeland, versus ASIO looking at refugees from a high profile region.
Unless you have evidence that the UNRWA uses ASIO procedure?
Lordbain says:
Monday, August 19, 2024 at 11:35 am
What’s wrong Griff, with acknowledging information and data from a single source may be dubious, but as part of a larger pattern its hardly unique?
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We come from very different perspectives on how to consider data. I pointed out the issue in an earlier post. The proportions add to over 100% for the Greens, making the reported results suspect. I also pointed out that it won’t stop people from using the reported results when it suits their agenda.
Carry on 😉
Thanks for the permission Griff, I am sure it wont stop your weird hyper focus on my comments though 🙂
Griff,
Maybe it was a multiple response survey, or even respondent nominated responses? there are a few reasons why the percentages might not sum to 100%
ASIO knows more about what’s happening inside Gaza than UNRWA?
That’s what I call a big call.
Israel and their intelligence services will be impressed. As will the CIA.
ASIS will be exceedingly pisssd as international intelligence is their job.
How many millions are we spending annually to run our Gaza intel ops?
FUBAR, ASIO would have a higher bar of information, and a lower tolerance.
But then you dont care, you just like to fear monger with the rest of your ilk 🙂
Mavis 7.45
There exists a large cohort of voters loving the prejudices extolled by Herr Dutton and it will take Dutton a long way.
Rinse and repeat, the haters love it.
Quite right.
We can’t have a Labor version of colour coded spread sheets.
Labor and Coalition vote against Greens on topic of CFMEU… but I thought the Greens and Coalition were the best of friends, and that Labor would neeeever vote alongside the Coalition 🙂
Friendly reminder of the Greens concerns with the CFMEU bill; that it will over ride court practices, negatively impact the rights of union members (not just the CFEMU), and is being rushed.
But then again, it was only last week that Wong was calling the Greens and Coalition the unholy alliance on this point… not sure how that gels with Labor now working with the Coalition 🙂
And hell, even after I posted this the Greens then asked Labor if, on the topics of donations (which Labor is attacking the Greens over), if Labor is prepared to provide how much they have recieved from the CFMEU, and if they will return it… and of course Labor ignores it and moves on.
Hmmmmmm
PageBoi says:
Monday, August 19, 2024 at 11:59 am
Griff,
Maybe it was a multiple response survey, or even respondent nominated responses? there are a few reasons why the percentages might not sum to 100%
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Good question. The other three party’s responses sum just shy of 100%. This is indicative of a single response proportion. However, they state that they are open responses which I presume they are content analysing somehow. It could be that there are multiple responses and the other three parties summing to the 90’s is a coincidence.
As an aside, with 4500 participants I hope they have some cluster analysis happening as doing it manually sounds like hell. We need to trust their derived categories somehow. We also do not know how many actual responses they received. Was it forced response? So we don’t know what the denominator is either. For any of the proportions.
However, a second indication that they have attempted to categorise single response proportions is how Sheahan from Advance has treated the data – he summed proportions; “There’s 78 per cent of the Australian people – not just Greens voters but all voters – think they either stand for action on climate or protecting the environment.” This can only be done if they are single response proportions. I suppose the first could be a coincidence and Sheahan has made a mistake in interpretation. I am using Occam’s razor.
That is enough procrastination for me 🙂
How long have Gazans been considered as a distinct race?
So on the topic of the Greens motion to discuss Labor donations, the Coalition has voted… against it, and supported Labor.
Weird, since when do the Coalition work against the Greens :/
Fatima Payman: Independent senator is not ruling out forming own political party
Headshot of Katina Curtis
Katina Curtis
The West Australian
Mon, 19 August 2024 9:16AM
West Australian.
Katina Curtis
Independent senator Fatima Payman is not ruling out forming her own political party as she consults with her new chief of staff, Glenn Druery over the best way to spend the rest of her four-year term in the Senate.
The WA senator who quit Labor in July after crossing the floor to take a different public position on Palestinian statehood features in an Australian Story episode on Monday night.
Hmmm what has the brains Druery got up his sleeve?
The party that failed to bring the CFMEU under control now think they have the right to tell labor how to do it.
Liberals layer incompetence on incompetence.
where’d you get all that info Griff? The TSP article was very light on details about the polling…….
Why is Labor working with an anti-union extremist L/NP rather than with their pro-union parliamentary colleagues the Greens …??
Greens the party that supports thuggery in the building industry.
Rex, just look at the comment below yours; Labor is now attempting to somehow blame CFMEU on the Greens, while also claiming the Greens are tree tories and anti unions.
All because the Greens have concerns about the legislation, and dont think it should be rushed through…
PageBoi says:
Monday, August 19, 2024 at 12:23 pm
where’d you get all that info Griff? The TSP article was very light on details about the polling…….
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That was what I was able to glean from the article itself. If we were told the company and methods in addition to the raw data, that would be better of course.
Edit: spelling
Labor continually working with the extremist L/NP is sending the wrong message to their traditional voters.
No wonder their primary vote is declining…
Lordbain
I’m sure there a many traditional Labor voters wondering these days if Labor are the party for big business or the party for workers.
pied piper says:
Monday, August 19, 2024 at 12:23 pm
I’m not holding my breath for a balanced view point from “Their ABC”.
CommSec: The Aussie national average retail unleaded petrol price fell by 4.4 cents last week to 181.6 cents per litre, the lowest level since the week beginning 16 July 2023, but still above the wholesale or TGP petrol price at 168.2 cents per litre.
Yes the L/NP and Labor are on a unity ticket re the major issues, so your position is understandable.
Holdenhillbilly
Diesel in my local area is as cheap as it has been in two years.
Probably nothing to do with the government but welcome.
Somebody mentioned winter electricity bills early on.
I got mine the other day and thanks to the federal and WA governments I have nothing to pay and I’m still in credit so next bill will likely be small.
But the Libs would no doubt oppose energy bill relief.
Fubar
Neoliberalism is dead. That right wing fantasy never has flown.
https://theconversation.com/doing-nothing-is-not-an-option-top-economists-back-planning-reform-and-public-housing-as-fixes-for-australias-housing-crisis-236309
scott 1 says:
Monday, August 19, 2024 at 12:54 pm
Fubar
Neoliberalism is dead. That right wing fantasy never has flown
https://theconversation.com/doing-nothing-is-not-an-option-top-economists-back-planning-reform-and-public-housing-as-fixes-for-australias-housing-crisis
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What does “planning reform” mean?
Griff
I am with the Greens on housing. I will give Labor credit. They are moving on housing at the state level. fixing the renting market for the forever renters. Maybe those economists in the article see a human right not an investment opportunity.
Here’s hoping that Dutton takes up the legal challenge and sues Steggall for defamation.
The case would, of course, go right back to Dutton’s behaviours as a police person.
They would go right through all his public utterances, replete with the pattern of sexualization of policies.
I bet he won’t.
Liberal v Liberal may have hit a (temporary) speed hump.
https://www.theguardian.com/law/article/2024/aug/19/linda-reynolds-brittany-higgins-defamation-trial-fiona-brown-ntwnfb
The head of a $1bn mining project in NSW has used an extraordinary statement to the Australian Stock Exchange to slam Environment Minister Tanya Plibersek’s decision to declare an indigenous protection order over the project, claiming the move would threaten all future developments including renewable energy, farming and housing.
Regis Resources CEO & Managing Director Jim Beyer said, in a statement to the ASX, that the company was “extremely surprised and disappointed” by Ms Plibersek’s decision late last Friday after the project had passed all federal and state planning approvals.
“After a nearly four-year, protracted Section 10 assessment process, Minister Plibersek has concluded there are grounds to block the development of the McPhillamys Gold Project,” Mr Beyer said.
“This has effectively overridden the conclusions on this question that were already determined by the NSW Independent Planning Commission (IPC) and Minister Plibersek on approving the Project under the Environmental Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act 1999 (Cth) (EPBC Act).
The decision by Ms Plibersek on Friday to override her own federal department and NSW planning approval for the gold mine near Blayney has rocked the resources sector, which claims section 10s of the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Heritage Protection Act is now being hijacked by green groups to block projects that have otherwise met all necessary state and federal development approvals. The industry claims this section of the act, enacted by Labor in 1984 during the lands rights movement, is being weaponised by green activists.
Senior government sources have also revealed they have witnessed an increasing use of section 10s to try to stop projects after all other avenues have been exhausted. But this project marks the first time Ms Plibersek has used the power.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/tanya-pliberseks-gold-mine-veto-will-lead-to-sovereign-risk-and-hijack-of-aboriginal-heritage-act-miners-warn/news-story/0d2dfffffc3495abfdffd1bd316a100c?amp
The answer to this rhetorical question is blindingly obvious. What is not blindingly obvious is why a professional journalist thinks that this question could even remotely be rhetorical.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/aug/19/plestia-alaqad-journalist-poet-comment-dutton-gaza-security
Dutton should pull his head. In so should Bandt.
BW… you actually read the article you posted right?
Because it supports what the Greens have been saying about the conflict…
But hey, you do you 🙂
I don’t give a flying fuck about neoliberalism. The housing market is immensely flawed due to the planning restrictions that the article clearly identified as the biggest problem.
There needs to be vast supplies of new land for new developments for new homes at entry level prices. Anti-development Greens and NIMBYs need to be emasculated with respect to interfering in new planning applications.
Stamp duty needs to be thrown out and replaced by land taxes.
Short Stay accommodation for rent needs to be subject to proper regulation – ie complying with planning and building codes. Most wouldn’t meet the requirements for land to be zoned for the use and to meet building codes for safety and disabled access or parking.
I also support more public housing – but an overall improvement in the management of public housing is also required. More accountability for both management and residents. If you trash the joint or have constant unsociable behaviour then you lose the right to accommodation.
Well done Mrs Shellbell.
https://ministers.ag.gov.au/media-centre/appointments-administrative-review-tribunal-and-administrative-appeals-tribunal-19-08-2024
There endeth my political and legal observations.
Only sport and weather.
I’ve just done a bit of a purge on rhetoric about one’s domestic political opponents being Nazis and/or cancers on society (including at least one well-made point about why you shouldn’t do it that it didn’t make sense to keep after the context for it had been removed).
Seen Tony Burke gave the federal lib/nats a good bellowing during a motion put by Dutton
Labor’s attempt to attack the Greens over the CFMEU was hilarious.
Firstly, Labor have taken no action against the Industrial Left, whose members include a number of MPs and people in key party roles who are extremely close personal allies of John Setka. And secondly, normally, if you stop taking decisions from someone because they’ve been involved in shady stuff, you also return the donations they’ve given you. Labor’s refusal to do so while trying to attack others on the subject looks ridiculous.
The problem with the action being taken against the CFMEU is that the Fair Work Commission fundamentally crossed the line into union-busting when they sought to vacate 300 union positions – targeting vast amounts of unionists who were not remotely implicated in any of the Setka group’s antics, and were guilty of nothing more than effectively doing their jobs. I’m incredibly anti-Sekta-and-mates, but the FWC taking the opportunity to then also burn many people who were doing the right thing suggest that the FWC probe is tarnished.
The minute they made that announcement about the 300 officials, the FWC – or at least those responsible for the CFMEU measures at the FWC – had blown the appearance of neutrality and had given all of Setka’s defenders who claimed that this wasn’t really all about their group’s illegality but about union-busting something genuine to work with. And, in turn, compromised Labor’s strategy of being at arms length from any response and delegating to the FWC – since now, they can be reasonably accused of being complicit in union-busting.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Greens do vote down the CFMEU bill, and unfortunately, they’ll have a point.
I debated bothering to post because the standard of debate in the non-on-topic threads here has increasingly turned into people incoherently chanting Tony Abbott-level slogans at one another, but hope springs eternal.
Well put Rebecca.