Miscellany: federal Liberal preselections and new Senate numbers (open thread)

Liberal contenders jockey to succeed the late Jim Molan in the Senate and contest the forthcoming by-election for the Melbourne seat of Aston.

We’re not likely to see anything on the polling front this week, but there is other electoral news to relate following recent parliamentary vacancies and party defections:

• The Sydney Morning Herald reports preselection nominees to fill the late Jim Molan’s New South Wales Liberal Senate vacancy are likely to include Andrew Constance, former state minister and unsuccessful candidate for Gilmore, and Fiona Scott, who held the lower house seat of Lindsay from 2013 to 2016, together with reported front-runner Dallas McInerney, chief executive of Catholic Schools NSW. Constance and Scott are associated with the moderation faction, while McInerney is a conservative. Mary-Lou Jarvis, lawyer and Woollahra councillor, has also written to senior party figures staking her claim as a qualified woman and the third candidate on the ticket at last year’s election, while also criticising the party’s apparent intention to leave the position vacant until after the state election on March 25.

The Australian reports the Liberal hierarchy’s hopes of fielding a female candidate for the Aston by-election stand to be complicated by the entry into the field of Emanuele Cicchiello, who is rated a strong chance by sources close to eastern suburbs conservative powerbroker and Deakin MP Michael Sukkar. However, other unidentified sources, “including some with strong Right faction allegiances”, rubbished the notion. Cicchiello is deputy prinicipal of Lighthouse Christian College, a former mayor of Knox and contestant for the seat of Bruce in 2013 and numerous preselections since. All other noted contenders have been women with the exception of Andrew Asten, a former staffer to Alan Tudge, who has since ruled himself out. Anthony Galloway of the Age/Herald reports the matter could be determined by a plebisicite of local members, which have lately proved resistant to female candidates, if the by-election is set for a date that allows sufficient time.

• Victorian Senator Lidia Thorpe’s resignation from the Greens last week marked the first change to party representation in parliament since the election, with the Senate numbers now at Coalition 32, Labor 26, Greens 11, One Nation two, Jacqui Lambie Network two, United Australia Party one and two independents, namely Thorpe and David Pocock. This leaves the government needing two extra votes when the Greens are on board and the Coalition are not, where formerly it needed only one. Thorpe was elected to a six-year term at the election last May, which will extend to the middle of 2028.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

2,987 comments on “Miscellany: federal Liberal preselections and new Senate numbers (open thread)”

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  1. Cat

    ” The former Morrison government’s decision to scrap the conventional submarine partnership with France has left Australia with a serious capability gap in naval shipbuilding.

    I hope you can join us this Wednesday, for an important discussion on addressing the capability gap in Australia’s naval shipbuilding with Glenn Thompson, Assistant National Secretary of the Australian Manufacturing Workers’ Union and Allan Behm, International & Security Affairs program director at the Australia Institute.

    https://us02web.zoom.us/webinar/register/1116766120127/WN_A6DFBMqSR7a56QY_bYcclg

    I trust the opinion of Allan Behm (former Adviser to Julia Gillard).”

    Thanks I am interested in that if work permits. As I have said I don’t work in shipbuilding but know some other Adelaide work colleagues who do, or did.

    Regardless of debates over the sub design chosen, the AUKUS decision was taylormade to destroy shipbuilding jobs. An 18 month review period doesn’t sound like much, but it was disastrous for continuity of work for the 700+ persons already working on the project. Who with financial commitments can afford to stand around for 18 months without work, waiting to see what decision is made?

    There is work in the SSN task force, which I understand now numbers over 300, but those jobs are all for planners etc, and mainly in Canberra.

    We need a plan to ensure continuous work for the shipbuilders, as well as a continuous availability of ships and subs for the crews, to maintain a naval capability.

    What would really make sense would be a cycle of continuous work for both the ship builders and sub builders. In this regard it is usually better to make a larger number of units of a smaller number of classes. SSNs are quire good in this regard – their construction is very labour intensive.

    You don’t even save any money halting programs, because you face a huge cost to hire a new workforce and restart training when you begin again. So in the last decade we spent a lot of money, and got very little.

    I wouldn’t trust the Liberal Party to order a canoe.

  2. Today is a day of special reflection in Ukraine:

    “Valerii Zaluzhnyi, Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, has recalled the values for which Ukrainians are fighting and expressed confidence in victory on the Day of Remembrance of the Heavenly Hundred Heroes [people who were killed during the 2014 Ukrainian Revolution of Dignity – ed.]. …

    Quote from Zaluzhnyi: “Today the whole country honours the memory of the Heavenly Hundred Heroes. It is a reminder of the high price of our freedom and the values we are fighting for.

    Details: He recalled that at the turn of 2013-2014, Ukrainians made their choice regarding civilisation.

    Zaluzhnyi said that thousands of volunteers immediately went to the contact line straight from the Maidan. Since 24 February 2022, this contact line has stretched over 3,000 kilometres.

    “But we are not afraid. We continue to fight. And we will win,” the Armed Forces Commander-in-Chief emphasised.

    Reference: The Day of Remembrance of the Heavenly Hundred Heroes is celebrated annually on 20 February, according to Presidential Decree No. 69/2015 of 11 February 2015 “On Honouring the Feats of the Participants in the Revolution of Dignity and Perpetuating the Memory of the Heavenly Hundred Heroes.”

    https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/02/20/7390064/

    If you haven’t already, I strongly recommend watching the documentary “Winter of Fire: Ukraine’s Fight for Freedom”, a roughly 2-hour long doco on the Maidan protests referred to here. Very raw footage of what transpired in that very bloody protest.

  3. Socrates says:
    Monday, February 20, 2023 at 4:37 pm
    Cat/Mostly Interested

    That News article is here:
    https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/late-senator-refuted-linda-reynolds-higgins-claim-in-letter-before-her-death/news-story/15f2ef2639c5e11adf2b14332613cd8d

    Is Newscorp now cutting Linda Reynolds loose? Her safe Senate spot must be desired by many unemploy(able) Liberal ex MPs and staffers.
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    This report certainly casts significant doubt on Reynolds’ comments. I suspect she hoped that ‘dead men don’t talk’ and that her claims would not be refuted, she was wrong.

    Re Snyder I agree, a refreshing sense of self awareness from a US perspective.

  4. “5000-Year-Old Sumerian Pub and Beer Recipe Unearthed”

    “The discovery was made in Lagash, an ancient city-state in southern Iraq, by a team of archaeologists from the University of Pennsylvania in the USA and the University of Pisa in Italy. Examining the remains, the team reported that they thought the pub was around 5000 years old.”

    https://ulukayin.org/sumerian-pub-and-beer-recipe-unearthed-in-iraq/

    Who said the ancients weren’t sophisticated?

    I remember reading once that some of the first recorded language was a recipe for beer, from Mesopotamia. There are some theories that it was one of the first forms of currency. Cuz once they all figured out how to do it, they weren’t about to lose the ability. Can’t be leavin’ that to chance in Barry’s noggin. They even worked out refrigeration for it too. Who doesn’t like a cold beer, after all?

  5. Griff @ 6.48

    Thanks for the deep dive! I had a look around as well and came across this site: https://quoteinvestigator.com/2019/12/19/intentions/

    ____________________________________

    Interesting stuff on that site. It seems that there are two versions of the purported saying. One I disagree vehemently with; the other I agree.

    I disagree that most of the harm in the world is done by good people. It is not. Good people, by not being good or noble enough may facilitate great harm being done – but the harm itself is done by people who are not, in my book, good.

    These people may think themselves good – they certainly often think that their motives are good – or for the greater good – but their methods often show themselves to be the very antithesis of good. Robespierre, for example. You can name lots of them throughout history or in the world today. They are not good. They just think they are.

  6. do we need the endlis posts on ucrane war we get it putin is bad but maybi filling up the poasts with endlis posts is getting anoying is naths nonsence about shorten on evan how is 2gbs candadate peter dutton looking in the poles does not seem he will ever be leader he has s managed not to score any points against albanese his imbarassing effort to rebuild links with china failed when evry other western country also imoposed rat tests

  7. Enough Already @ Monday, February 20, 2023 at 6:44 pm
    “Team Katich @ Monday, February 20, 2023 at 6:42 pm:
    “Gold star E/A!”
    =================

    TK, I should stick to playing it straight. The facts speak for themselves.”

    That they do! Thank you.

  8. frednk 4:53

    “ You really have to consider where Murdoch has been coming from. Did Murdoch profit from the work he put into undermining the USA system. What is the Western system to do about a bad actor like Murdoch?”
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    Part of me thinks that Murdoch is the Dr Frankenstein who created the media monster and bad faith actors he now struggles to control. His gods are simply power/influence and money. He can no longer put pandora back in the box. The best we can hope for is that the courts again (as with News of the World) hold him accountable in the Dominion case and sufficiently tarnish his credibility such that he is brought to heel to a small extent. His UK apologies will no longer hold any water if called to testify, that was a one trick pony event.

  9. given fordum is heavily backing the governments worst performer David elliott who causis his own side as he does foor labor and i dont think the liberals support buy female voters was helped buy elliott using a sexual herassment complaint with out permition of eleged victim to scoere a cheap politicial point against thethen opposition leader who looked like beating gladis now he is causing problims foor his own side desbite evry other faction loosing mps apart from elliott foor some reason hawke gets to keep his

  10. given fordum is heavily backing the governments worst performer David elliott who causis his own side as he does foor labor and i dont think the liberals support buy female voters was helped buy elliott using a sexual herassment complaint with out permition of eleged victim to scoere a cheap politicial point against thethen opposition leader who looked like beating gladis now he is causing problims foor his own side desbite evry other faction loosing mps apart from elliott foor some reason hawke gets to keep his the ggovernment needs to get rid of the liberal party suporters in aps it seems labor will never sack the hopelis pezzullo so he continue undermining labor from with in just because he could leak imformation to dutton if sacked is no reason to keep him plus shearer from ofice national security campbell and duttons former chief off staff from foreign affairs the government have had long enough now to acess there corears where as the libs get rid of the labor llinked people apart from a few sackings labor is unwilling to take action which leaves senyor liberals in the publick survice plus there unwilling to reform defermation laws or create a human rights act to stop asio from jailing evry single wissleblower

  11. plus no national reform to stop acused in sexual asult casis from not being forced to testify and evry single detail of the victem raised and having to put up with the whole life questiond and dreyfuss has dun nothing abbout it in stead leaving to the act doesnt dreyfuss want to be a reforming aterney general apart from his admin tribunal dreyfuss has been the bigest dissapointment not even donation caps to stop palmer from triying to buy a seat i supose what you get when you put a melberne lawer in the role

  12. C@T

    “ Having now finished listening to the Perun overview that was posted earlier today,

    https://youtu.be/94bqk8cB9iQ

    it becomes clear that the war is necessary for both Putin and the Russian citizenry to enable them to maintain the pretense that Russia is still a major global power, to the extent that defeat will presage a collapse and a crisis of confidence in Russia. So Putin has to/will keep the war going, no matter the scale of the defeats he is suffering (not personally). In this he is supported, in a co-dependent way, by his people, or at least those who haven’t fled the country already.

    So, not only is his motivation, over and above survival, political zealotry, but also a kind of force projection to the global community to take Russia seriously going forward. In the way of North Korea now, which is saying to the world, fear me, for I have big missiles that I can threaten to use against you, in that kind of Wizard of Oz behind the curtain way. However, in the assessment of Perun, Schumpeter’s creative destruction HAS worked for Russia in the past, where it has gone to war but survived to thrive, as a result of its natural endowments, but this time, with the global community moving against Russia so that it won’t be able to resurrect itself, it will come out of this war eventually, severely diminished.”
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    I look forward to listening to Perun tomorrow, sounds like a number of similarities with the Snyder interview. Again, both of these seem to support my thesis of a longer war than many had hoped if for no other reason that it is in Putin’s interest to continue the conflict. His willingness presumably to sacrifice perhaps millions (note the Russian trend) while being tacitly supported by his population only serves to facilitate this outcome.

  13. i hope dreyfuss does not last to long he does not seem interested in real law reform so he wants to continue the system where victems of sexual asult are questiond in order for there reputation to be distroyed while theacused can hide from questioning this is whiy victems fail to come forward yet dreyfuss has dun nothing he can say this is a state matter but he could hold a meeting tohave nationally consisted lawsbut maybi he does not want to get afp of side

  14. I know there is one of the local councillors in Knox who would make a pretty good Teal candidate. But I am not sure I see them sticking their hand up this time.

  15. Some disturbing evidence in court today – the creepy Liberal PUP staffer wanted to be a Bonking Tory but failed, as has the political hopes of the sick organisations which have backed him.

    A senior adviser to former Liberal MP Craig Kelly would take a young female staff member into Kelly’s personal office and close the door, before kissing her cheek and groping her breasts and bottom, a Sydney court has heard.

    Francesco “Frank” Zumbo, 55, has pleaded not guilty to 20 charges, including sexual touching and indecent assault, related to accusations made by five women between 2014 and 2020.

    One of those women, whose identity cannot be revealed, told Sydney’s Downing Centre local court on Monday she felt deeply uncomfortable about Zumbo’s consistent advances and repeatedly told him he was making her feel uncomfortable. She told him: “I do not consent.”

    At the end of every day working in Kelly’s office, Zumbo would take the witness into Kelly’s office and close the door, she told the court.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/feb/20/craig-kelly-adviser-frank-zumbo-groped-young-female-staffer-in-office-court-told

  16. C@tmomma says:
    Monday, February 20, 2023 at 7:03 pm
    Looks like no Teal candidate for Aston:

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/april-fool-s-byelection-no-joke-for-liberals-as-party-scrambles-to-pick-candidate-20230220-p5clyx.html
    Dutton doesnt seem to understand what democracy means, this want the party to pick a woman statement made by Dutton is dictatorship

    Opposition Leader Peter Dutton, who wants the party to pick a woman to replace the scandal-plagued Tudge, said he expected a swift decision.

    “I would very much like – in a democratic process that we have in the Liberal Party – for a female candidate to be selected in Aston. But, ultimately, that’s a question for the division in Victoria, so we’ll work on that,” he said in Perth.

  17. Agree A Newton

    RSI scanning past!!

    I did note the contributor mentioned she/he had been banned from the Guardian site

    In regards allegations, allegations are sometimes false

    Where the fault is is that allegations are a meat market for our disgusting press

    So the Court should be closed and media restrained from reporting until the Court comes to a verdict

    So, back to cricket

    The results in this Series IN India repeat the results in that Country over years now

    Against all Nations

    So just dismiss them and move on – simply you do not play on such dung heaps anywhere else across the Nations that play cricket so inconsequential

    What you do do however is, if you come up against them in the Test Match Championship game in the next couple of months, you do to them what NZ did to them in the first such game last year

    Thrash them on neutral cricket pitches – at the home of cricket no less

    Then shake hands with them and say “well played”

    They were dismissed for 36 in Adelaide a couple of years ago

    To see that repeated would cause the rest of the cricket playing Nations to have a little smile to themselves

  18. Is anybody else watching Australian Survivor?

    Tribal council, episode 7. The greatest moment in Survivor history, IMO. The greatest set of in game moves I’ve ever seen.

    Why isn’t King George the Gen. Sec. of the NSW Branch instead of Bob Who?

  19. Griff:

    Monday, February 20, 2023 at 6:48 pm

    [‘Thanks for the deep dive! I had a look around as well and came across this site:

    https://quoteinvestigator.com/2019/12/19/intentions/'%5D

    In point of fact, an old friend of mine is an Eliot scholar, who did his Master’s thesis on Eliot’s play “The Rock.” When he turned up for coffee this morning, as he does daily, I asked him if Eliot would say what you attributed to him. His respone was a definte “no”! From there, I turned to the site you’ve posted. Nothing personal but I felt I should correct the record.

    ____________________________________

    Cronus:

    Dementia runs in my family whereas it’s cancer in yours. I agree with your view that dementia is worse than cancer, arguably more so for those who’ve still got their marbles, witnessing the cognitive decline of loved ones. My old man succumbed to Alzheimer’s, aged 83; my mother, vascular dementia, aged 95. I’m sure posting on this site will stall our admission to a maximum-security twilight home(?).

  20. More cracks in Dutton’s pathetic response to the Voice – Russell Broadbent may be an anti vax crackpot, but he is on the money here

    Tom McIlroy
    Tom McIlroy
    Political reporter
    Feb 20, 2023 – 5.00pm

    Veteran Liberal MP Russell Broadbent has described acceptance and implementation of the Uluru Statement as fundamental to the future of Australia, warning rejection of a Voice to parliament will “impoverish” the country.

    As the Liberal Party and Opposition Leader Peter Dutton grapple with their position on the Voice, the Monash MP and former party vice president Karina Okotel have made the moral case for constitutional recognition in a new book released on Monday.

    https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/veteran-liberal-mp-adds-to-pressure-on-dutton-over-voice-20230220-p5clt1

  21. Some more on Liberals telling Dutton why he is wrong

    Mr Broadbent has split with his party a number of times over a long parliamentary career, including on the treatment of asylum seekers in the Howard years.

    Mr Dutton said on Monday the Liberal Party would settle on a final position once the Albanese government explained more of the detail of the Voice. Legislation for the referendum is due to be debated in parliament in May and June.

    Mr Broadbent said Indigenous sovereignty had never been ceded and Australia’s “second peoples” are being invited to walk with the land’s original custodians.

    “The invitation is one that must not be ignored but embraced in its fullness. It is a line in the sand for which we should be grateful, very grateful indeed,” he writes.

    “I believe it presents a defining moment in history for Australia. We walk together or we continue to stumble blindly, ignorant of the gift of a new way being offered. We fail to take up the invitation at our peril.

    “The acceptance and implementation of the Uluru Statement from the Heart in its fullness is fundamental to the future of this country. Anything less will impoverish that future.”

    Published by La Trobe University Press, the book Statements from the Soul: the Moral Case for the Uluru Statement from the Heart, is edited by Shireen Morris and Damien Freeman.

    Ms Okotel, a significant factional player from the right wing of the Victorian division, said another stolen generation or similar policy failure was made more likely by a failure to consult those affected.

  22. The US is in a unique position in that has the ability to print USD, in virtually any quantity, and at little cost to itself.
    It also holds more deployable armaments than anyone else.

    Why then hasn’t it done more to support Ukraine?

    It would not surprise me if the US is more than happy with the status quo. A long slow war suits their agenda wrt to Russia while boosting their own industries post-Covid. No political repercussions of engaging directly or going on a war footing domestically and no casualties that they could give a stuff about. All very convenient for them.

  23. Mavis

    “ Dementia runs in my family whereas it’s cancer in yours. I agree with your view that dementia is worse than cancer, arguably more so for those who’ve still got their marbles, witnessing the cognitive decline of loved ones. My old man succumbed to Alzheimer’s, aged 83; my mother, vascular dementia, aged 95. I’m sure posting on this site will stall our admission to a maximum-security twilight home(?).”
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    Some might already have read our missives and given consideration to our relative cognitive states. 😆

    I do think that more so than cardiovascular disease or cancer, close up observation and first hand experience of dementia in my FIL for the past five years has made me reconsider the real meaning of quality of life though of course I understand this is a subjective assessment. Ironically, although FIL’s mind is gone, he’s physically as fit as a mallee bull and may yet live for years ………

  24. Mavis @ Monday, February 20, 2023 at 7:56 pm
    “Griff:

    Monday, February 20, 2023 at 6:48 pm

    [‘Thanks for the deep dive! I had a look around as well and came across this site:

    https://quoteinvestigator.com/2019/12/19/intentions/'%5D

    In point of fact, an old friend of mine is an Eliot scholar, who did his Master’s thesis on Eliot’s play “The Rock.” When he turned up for coffee this morning, as he does daily, I asked him if Eliot would say what you attributed to him. His respone was a definte “no”! From there, I turned to the site you’ve posted. Nothing personal but I felt I should correct the record.”

    Not at all! I expect to learn at least one thing a day on Pollbludger and it hasn’t let me down yet 🙂

  25. “ “I took out the wrong part of the frontal lobe,” he said. “I obviously did the wrong thing by the patient … was it my intention? Absolutely not.”

    Teo said that, following the surgery, he had consulted with an expert in brain networks and came to understand he had damaged a network he was previously unaware of. Teo subsequently obtained software helping him identify the location of the network for future surgeries.

    “I’m learning from this experience … you do a lot of soul-searching when you get a bad outcome,” he said. Teo said it was offensive to suggest he was negligent. “Maybe some ignorance on my behalf, but certainly not negligence.”

    This is not what I’d call encouraging testimony by Dr Charlie Teo, quite confronting in fact.

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/you-were-not-telling-the-truth-tense-scenes-as-teo-rejects-claims-about-evidence-20230220-p5clti.html

  26. Daily Mail 20/02
    ‘[Wilkinson’s] future at the network has now been called into question after her decision to seemingly distance herself from Ten with her legal move’, the publication claimed on Monday.
    Meanwhile, Wilkinson, who hasn’t appeared on TV since her departure from The Project in November, is still collecting a ‘seven-figure salary’ from Ten thanks to the ‘watertight’ deal she signed in 2021, The Australian previously reported.
    _____________________
    Channel 10 should send her into the jungle. Watching her eat a bulls testicle or a goats penis would be a ratings bonanza.
    I would watch it.

  27. Q: It may be time to pause on the Voice and reflect on where it is at. It’s smelling like a loser atm

    There is no polling showing it a loser……group after group is falling in line behind it, including all Premiers….

    A noisy minority is running interference, but that is about it.

  28. “ Pearson needs to learn when to STFU. I reckon he just gained the “No” campaign quite a few votes ”

    Wow. Just wow.

    What has been the constant snark and refrain from The Playr and Integrity over the past couple of months over criticism of Thorpe?

  29. “ “I took out the wrong part of the frontal lobe,” he said. “I obviously did the wrong thing by the patient … was it my intention? Absolutely not.”

    You’re not supposed to have ‘intention’ as a neurosurgeon, you’re supposed to have accuracy.

  30. [‘US President makes surprise visit to Ukraine

    US President Joe Biden has arrived in Kyiv, his first visit to Ukraine since Russia invaded almost a year ago.

    The surprise visit, reported by several international media outlets, comes as he travelled to neighbouring Poland to meet President Andrzej Duda.

    The President said ‘one year later, Kyiv stands. And Ukraine stands. Democracy stands’ as he announced new military aid for the country as it battles the Russian defence force.

    Zelensky said Biden’s visit was an ‘extremely important sign of support for all Ukrainians’]- SMH.

    Great news. There’s little doubt that the US’s military might scare both Russia & China, but in the case of the latter, probably only for some five years.

    https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/us-president-makes-surprise-visit-to-ukraine-20230220-p5cm2r.html

  31. Mavis,
    If you are around I came across this information today, I don’t know if you will be interested in it:

    Treatment with the thiazolidinedione pioglitazone may offer the greatest protection against dementia for older adults with newly diagnosed type 2 diabetes mellitus (T2DM) who have a history of stroke or ischemic heart disease, new research suggests.

    Overall, in a large cohort study from Korea, patients who took pioglitazone were 16% less likely to develop dementia over an average of 10 years than peers who did not take the drug.

    However, the dementia risk reduction was 54% among those with ischemic heart disease and 43% among those with a history of stroke.

    “Our study was to see the association between pioglitazone use and incidence of dementia, not how (with what mechanisms) this drug can suppress dementia pathology,” co-investigator Eosu Kim, MD, PhD, Yonsei University, Seoul, Republic of Korea, told Medscape Medical News.

    However, “as we found this drug is more effective in diabetic patients who have blood circulation problems in the heart or brain than in those without such problems, we speculate that pioglitazone’s antidementia action may be related to improving blood vessel’s health,” Kim said.

    https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/988388

  32. ”A noisy minority is running interference, but that is about it.”

    And why are they?
    – Small Government ideology
    – An assimilationist attitude towards Australia’s First Peoples
    – Miners and agribusiness don’t want to give a louder voice to people who don’t share their values and interests
    – Political – deny the Albanese Government a win. The interests of the First Nations don’t come into it.
    – A chance to dogwhistle

    None of this will mentioned in the “No” campaign but that’s what it’s about.

  33. Teo said it was offensive to say he was negligent
    “Maybe some ignorance on my behalf, but certainly not negligence.”
    Tribunal counsel later asked him about the showboating he had done outside the tribunal last week and when asked if he changed his evidence to suit the circumstances he asked “to plead the fifth”

    It must be a wonderful experience being his counsel
    Even his most devoted and cultivated media supporters will be high stepping to get out of this

  34. Taylormade says:
    Monday, February 20, 2023 at 9:42 pm
    Look out we have the Minister for Sportsbet on Q&A tonight.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Rowland batting stacked audience facilitated by bearded Grant out of the park.

  35. yabba says:
    Monday, February 20, 2023 at 9:36 pm
    Lars Von Trier @ #2935 Monday, February 20th, 2023 – 9:23 pm

    . I smell like a loser atm.
    True! Surely you mean looser.
    _________________
    Your just a louse yabba.

    Sorry from your old mate Lars.

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