Weekend bulletin board

Two days out from Newspoll (presumably), an open thread and a summary of the site’s recent wares.

A new thread is needed, but I’m way too busy right now to produce content to hang it off like I normally would. So beyond pointing out that Newspoll should be along on Sunday evening if its recent form is any guide, I can only draw your attention to other recent posts on next week’s South Australian state election, the situation in Ukraine and related international matters (courtesy of Adrian Beaumount), and a Tasmanian state poll that suggests the Gutwein government’s dominance isn’t quite what it was. Beyond that, over to you.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. Simon Katich @ #43 Saturday, March 12th, 2022 – 9:42 am

    Well, if I gonna get Covid, it was last night. Been a looong time but finally got out and about and jiggy thanks to Womad and especially Detroit band Inner City.
    I don’t know how old Paris Grey is or how she gets herself into such a tight leather number but she struts around owning the stage and crowd like Jagger wishes he could.

    I don’t think even Jagger has the ‘moves like Jagger’ anymore.

  2. the West Australian reports today that Kate Chaney, the independent candidate in Curtin, was the “star attraction” at a dinner attended by some of Perth’s business elite.
    The dinner was said to have been instigated and paid for by property developer Nigel Satterley, who attended a dinner with Albanese last week. Guests did not pay though one was said to have made a donation to Chaneys campaign after.
    Satterley has been a long time critic of the WA Liberals, notably the influence wielded by the group run by Matthias Cormann.
    Ms Chaney told the paper Satterley lived in the electorate and had contacted her offering his help.
    The liberals are making much of Chaney’s admitted flirtation with Labor a year or so ago.
    Senator Ben Small said Chaney had a major credibility problem, associating with a “labor supporting property developer”.
    Small’s fundraiser last week with two other senators was described “by insiders as a flop”.
    Worried much?

  3. Holdenhillbilly says:
    Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 9:25 am
    PRGuy @PRGuy17
    · 37m
    LIBS SPLIT ON SPILL: Senior Liberals are deeply divided over who should lead the party to the election, with numbers being canvassed this weekend to test the waters. A recent poll found Aussies also can’t agree, with voters split on Morrison, Dutton and Frydenberg. #auspol

    There is an opportunity for the media types to discuss this matter during Insiders tomorrow. The question is will they?

    Bongiorno, who is a respected journalist, raised the matter initially, so it is not just a Twitter rumour.

  4. My signature move is trying not to injure anything while in a throbbing mass of tightly packed people. Thankfully all eyes were on Paris and not me.

    Very sore today I have to say. Calves. Knees. Feet.

  5. Asha

    I’m pretty sure I’ve got some variety of long-Covid. Ever since I caught it about a month and a half ago, I’ve had a mild but frustratingly persistent headache.

    Me too!

    It was the sort of headache I got when I was carsick as a kid, but also the sort I got when I was working at 5000 m without any oxygen supplementation.

    It is very distinctive.

    I got COVID around the end of December, so I am now 2.5 months out from when I acquired my infection. Each week, I get fewer days where I have this weird nagging headache, but it is definitely disrupting my life.

    And it does not help that France regards Ibuprofen as the work of the devil. Ibuprofen was a lifeline for me when the headaches and brain fog were at their worst.

    Now I can only buy 12 tablets (6 doses ) at time, after a discussion with a pharmacist (in French). I have taken the easy way out, and now just live with the headaches, but I am not sure this is actually the best thing for my daily functioning.

    Mind you, it is better than trying to get cold and flu tablets in Germany. The answer is always “nein”, and have some lovely bachflowers.

  6. This article by PvO in the Oz was mentioned earlier:

    “Labor should be bold and win mandate for action”

    In other words, PvO and most of the MSM intend to attack Labor (if Labor wins) for not having a “mandate to govern”.

  7. ‘clem attlee says:
    Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 9:47 am

    “Starmer has done none of the above.” Gee, some people set the bar so, so low don’t they.’
    ————————————
    Talking of low bars, neither of them actually gave Rolls Royce jet engines to that monster Stalin.

  8. citizen @ #62 Saturday, March 12th, 2022 – 10:16 am

    This article by PvO in the Oz was mentioned earlier:

    “Labor should be bold and win mandate for action”

    In other words, PvO and most of the MSM intend to attack Labor (if Labor wins) for not having a “mandate to govern”.

    And only have the right to be a ‘Do Nothing government’. Which they will also be criticised for.

  9. Thanks once again BK for the daily required reading list that is the dawn patrol. Todays cartoon haul is somewhat large!

    UK Cartoons:











    Dave Brown:

    The original Van Gogh:

    Anyone got talent?

    Canada:

  10. Rhys Parton
    @RhysParton
    I know it’s because he had a wake up call during his car accident, but the commitment he’s put into losing weight and shaping up a bit comes across as a clue as to how committed Albanese would be to the top job.

    He’s physically shaped up, and he’s refined Labor’s direction too.

  11. jt1983 @ #45 Saturday, March 12th, 2022 – 6:45 am

    This “Labor must be bold” is just reflective of the latest CPG pre-occupation – they’re bored and want a new narrative to play with.

    And they don’t really want the focus to be on the Government’s incompetence because they have largely ignored it and that might prompt questions as to their own performance.

  12. The Sandman Saturday Rant

    These three years since the last election have bought with them four calamitous events that have disrupted the smooth running of Australian society and the predictable routines of everyday life, prompting a heterogenous sense of disconnection, isolation, abandonment and insecurity {economic, psychological, social and political) for many Australian voters.

    Who will reconnect us, who will lead us out of social and geographical isolation and in some cases abject despair. We have had the bushfires, Covid 19, Russia setting the everyday stability of the world off balance and unprecedented floods.

    Aged care places and schools remain Covid breeders , the Russian invasion of Ukraine will be felt by every Australian at the petrol bowzer, in the supermarket, when those pesky power bills come and when we book a flight for months to come.

    The Federal Government and State Government’s are playing ‘pass the parcel’ on who is responsible for contributing to the failure of government responses to the bushfires, Covid 19 and now the floods destroying the lives and livelihoods of thousands of people in QLD and NSW.

    It would be fair to say that we are confronted with a state of anomie. Anomie occurs when the collective conscience, or group mind, that binds communities together weakens – communities from the family to the neighbourhood and workplace, from the city to the nation [Emile Durkheim].

    The fragmentation of everyday life triggered by the too frequent disruption to routine stability that give us a sense of confidence and control have challenged and in some cases decimated too many people’s belief that we can ‘get through this mess’ and move on.

    One shared calamity after another – bushfires, Covid and the cost of living impact of the Russian invasion which we are not even feeling yet except at the bowzer- have produced a huge challenge for any government to appease.

    What we have been getting from this Federal Government is excuses, pass the parcel, johnny come lately announcements that are reactionary at best and rarely followed up with ‘boots on the ground’ support and no leadership.

    It could be argued that the Federal Government cannot be blamed for the onset of the bushfires {climate change anyone ?] or the Corona Virus or floods or the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

    But this government reminds me of the Life of Brian when Brian was about to be strung up on the cross and the political party he was connected to did nothing about it, instead calling a meeting to debating what should be put in his eulogy. His lovers lament that “this is happening now” fell on deaf ears.

    Given this reality, it is reasonable to conclude that whatever Morrison has to say now will also fall on deaf ears, too many for him to survive as the leader of this Nation.

  13. Brian Toohey’s article in the Saturday Paper ought be enough to convince that the Nucular subs are a rotten idea.

    Apart from being incredibly expensive, antagonistic to Australian defence self-reliance and to be delivered into a defence environment in 2040 that is impossible to predict, they are just strategically stupid.

    The main strategic purpose of the nuclear subs is to convince would be aggressors that if they mess with us we can retaliate in kind. Unfortunately, adopting an aggressive stance is only likley to increase the risk of antagonists attacking us – if only to prevent us from striking them first.

    We do not have to be neutral as Switzerland choose to be (and I don’t want us to be neutral in the face of international wrongdoing) but I do want our defence capability to be built around “defence”, not attack. Let’s build a fortress Australia. Since the ADF is the necessary go to let’s have compulsory 6 month army service to both militarise us and educate our population to respond to the ever-increasing climate catastrophes that are to beset us.

    We don’t need the nuclear subs, the billion dollar a pop Triton drones or the 75 Abrams tanks, too heavy to serve a dual military/humanitarian purpose.

    What we do need is a rethink of our defence strategy, one that recognises defence from climate catastrophe will be just as important as defence against would-be aggressors.


  14. Boerwarsays:
    Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 9:32 am
    ‘Sohar says:
    Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 9:27 am

    Re that UK poll, is there really any difference between Starmer and Johnson? Both are pathetic.’
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    I do get sick of Bludger’s Same Same Faciles.

    Johnson is an inveterate liar. He has the morals of an alley cat. He is doing severe economic and social damage to Britain. He routinely facilitates xenophobia and racism. The environment is going backwards as a direct result. He has done serious damage to a Europe that generated huge wealth and peace and security for 75 years.

    Starmer has done none of the above.

    “an inveterate liar”
    It applies not only to BOJO but also Trump and ………

  15. “Talking of low bars, neither of them actually gave Rolls Royce jet engines to that monster Stalin.”

    Did some one tell you that in a DLP Boerwar back in 1970 or something? It must have been powerful stuff because you raise it every year, just like clock work. I tend to concentrate on Attlee giving Britain the NHS and the welfare state. Gee, you’re right wing fuckstick!

  16. D&M:

    What the headache reminds me of most is how it feels when you’ve skipped breakfast and have just been running on coffee for most of the day.

  17. A Soviet-era reconnaissance drone flying across Hungary from Ukraine has crashed near the Croatian capital of Zagreb, leaving a big hole in the ground, the Croatian government says.
    A statement issued by Croatia’s government said the “pilotless military aircraft” crashed seven minutes after entering Croatia’s airspace from neighbouring Hungary at a speed of 700 kilometres per hour and an altitude of 1,300 metres.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-12/drone-likely-flying-from-ukraine-war-zone-crashes-in-croatia/100904952

  18. D&M / C@t:

    I’ve been trying to avoid managing it with medication unless absolutely necessary, as it’s so constant that I’d just be popping pills all day if I did. Back in my early-mid twenties, I would drop a Panadol or Nurofen whenever I had a headache, and wound up developing bit of a dependency which just made things worse (since I started getting headaches from the withdrawal!) These days, I generally just try to tough it out.

  19. Tony Abbott won the PMship with a mandate for stopping stuff – boats and the carbon price – but no mandate to actually do anything. No change to Gonski reforms, Health, Education, Social Security, Medicare, ABC/SBS. Of course he lied about not doing stuff.

  20. RE: Murphy

    Love how the media ignores the opposition leader and their policies (federally or the states)…..and when the election rolls around says the opposition leader is an unknown quantity with no profile.

    The only one that got a high profile was Abbott, by being an outrageous, vile destroyer…and they lapped it up.

  21. The Nene was designed and built as a result of an early 1944 Air Ministry request for an engine of 4,200 lbf (19 kN) thrust, and an engine was schemed-out by Stanley Hooker and Adrian Lombard as the B.40. In the summer of 1944 Hooker visited the US and discovered that General Electric already had two engine types, an axial and a centrifugal, of 4,000 lbf (18 kN) thrust running. On returning to the UK Hooker decided to go for 5,000 lbf (22 kN) of thrust and, working with Lombard, Pearson and Morley, a complete redesign of the B.40 resulted in the B.41,[1] later to be called the Nene.

    The Nene doubled the thrust of the earlier generation engines, with early versions providing about 5,000 lbf (22.2 kN), but remained generally similar in most ways. This should have suggested that it would be widely used in various designs, but the Gloster Meteor proved so successful with its Derwents that the Air Ministry felt there was no pressing need to improve upon it. Instead a series of much more capable designs using the Rolls-Royce Avon were studied, and the Nene generally languished.

    A total of twenty-five Nenes were sold to the Soviet Union as a gesture of goodwill – with reservation to not use for military purposes – with the agreement of Stafford Cripps. Rolls-Royce were given permission in September 1946 to sell 10 Nene engines to the USSR, and in March 1947 to sell a further 15. The price was fixed under a commercial contract. A total of 55 jet engines were sold to the Soviets in 1947.[8] The Soviets reneged on the deal after the Cold War broke out in 1947, and reverse engineered the Nene to develop the Klimov RD-45, and a larger version, the Klimov VK-1, which soon appeared in various Soviet fighters including Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-15.

    Pratt & Whitney acquired a licence to produce the Nene as the Pratt & Whitney J42, and it powered the Grumman F9F Panther which first flew in November 1947.[9]

    The Nene was used to power the first civil jet aircraft, the Nene Viking,[10] a modified Vickers Viking, the single example of which first flew on 6 April 1948 from Wisley Airfield.[11][page needed]

    It was briefly made under licence in Australia for use in the RAAF de Havilland Vampire fighters. It was also built by Orenda in Canada for use in 656 Canadair CT-133 Silver Star aircraft from 1952.

    Hispano-Suiza in France built the Nene under licence as the Hispano-Suiza Nene, with limited production before concentrating on the larger Rolls-Royce Tay/Hispano-Suiza Verdon.

    The English have long had a soft spot for Russia.

  22. Albo could be halfway through his victory speech after winning 100+ seats and Bludging would be cautioning us that Labor’s chances are 50-50 at best.

  23. “Labor should be bold and win mandate for action”

    This is what the Greens keep telling Labor as well. How is it going for the Greens?
    How did that go for Shorten?

  24. Asha says:
    Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 9:53 am

    I’m pretty sure I’ve got some variety of long-Covid. Ever since I caught it about a month and a half ago, I’ve had a mild but frustratingly persistent headache.
    ————————————————————————–
    I’m concerned about reports of people who were fully vaccinated getting Covid. Are they getting Omicron despite being vaccinated for Delta.

    What was your vaccination status when you got it, if I may ask? You do not need to respond if you don’t want to.

  25. Kath Murphy (or her subbie) writes:

    After the trauma of defeat, it makes sense for Labor to play it safe.

    But why has it taken so long for Albanese to define himself, asks Katherine Murphy.

    Rearranging the order of Murphy’s sentences, as in…

    But why has it taken so long for Albanese to define himself, asks Katherine Murphy.

    After the trauma of defeat, it makes sense for Labor to play it safe.

    … makes the rest of the article redundant.

    If Labor announces big policies journos who fancy themselves as being “of the Left” like Murphy will tell readers the policies are too late, not enough and ignore Climate Change, trans whales and wimmin.

    Journos “of the Right” (most of the rest, take your pick) will inform us that Labor just can’t help itself when it comes to Socialist Tendencies, wrecking the economy with high taxes, being beholden to their union puppet masters and being so factionally ridden that they are unfit to govern.

    What we will be told we need is for the Morrison government to get clear air to carry out the reforms they have been constrained in making thus far: blaming Labor, amateur independent MHRs, the Senate, Brittany Higgins, Grace Tame, hippies living in bushfire zones, hippies living in flood zones, a hostile media, Friendly Jordie, the ABC, Twiggy Forest, SARs-CoV-2, and Mike Cannon-Brookes for the otherwise unaccountable lack of action.

    That’s the Alternate Universe.

    In the Real Universe Morrison and his gang are doing a fine job of destroying their own legacy, all by themselves. All Albo needs to do is point.

  26. ”… the Russian invasion of Ukraine will be felt by every Australian at the petrol bowzer, in the supermarket, when those pesky power bills come and when we book a flight for months to come…

    years or decades.

  27. Bludgingsays:
    Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 10:28 am
    VCT Et3e says:
    Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 9:57 am
    https://www.sportsbet.com.au/events/federal-election

    Labor 1.35 – Fibs/ Nats 3.05

    Hmmm… vastly overstating the chances that Labor will win. At the moment we’re closing in on 50/50.


    I don’t know what planet you are living on Bludging. Of course it would be foolish to write off the Coalition just yet but 50/50 is just BS. There are too many pissed off voters out there now to ignore in mathematical calculations.

  28. So?

    Karen Andrews?

    It is about that time and that set of circumstances in the government cycle that the blokes give the girllies a turn.

    I bet they wish they had given that Bishop Woman the Yellow Jersey in their Tour de Farce instead of Mop Man.

  29. Hammerhead says:
    Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 10:34 am

    I’m naturally cautious about Labor’s chances too, Bludging, but they are better than 50/50 at the moment!

    You’re sensing the calm before the storm, Hammerhead. 10 weeks out from the election in 2019 it looked like Shorten would win. Then the election was called, the heavens opened with Labor-phobic propaganda, the Greens reached peak-stunt in QLD, and Labor’s PV was driven down to 33%.

    Once the election is called there will be a deluge of Labor-hostile lies, all aimed at suppressing the shift of votes from the LRP to Labor in the 20-odd seats that will be decisive. The PV needs to be around 40% for Labor across the electorate as a whole if they are to win. Are we there yet?

    If in 2 weeks it looks like the Liberals will lose, they will ditch Morrison like yesterday’s toast. They will dream up some kind of excuse, elect a new leader and postpone the House election until September, hoping like anything that the war talk escalates over the year.

    They know how hard it is to come back from Opposition. They will want to avoid defeat at all costs. We are a long, long way from Election Day no matter when it’s held.

  30. Beguiledagain:

    I was double vaccinated, probably about three or four months since my second jab.

    The symptoms seemed generally quite mild – I had one day where I was pretty much bedridden (felt comparable to my worst hangovers), a couple days before and after where I felt pretty crappy but was functional, otherwise there was little more than a bit of nausea and the mild headache that unfortunately has decided to stick around, no sore throat or cough thankfully – so I imagine I was in a rather better place than I would have been if unvaxxed.

  31. I don’t know what planet you are living on Bludging.

    I’ve figured it out with Briefly.

    ● When he is upbeat, be depressed.

    ● When he is depressed, be upbeat.

    … pretty much across the entire gamut of emotions and expectations.

  32. BW,

    If the Libs appoint a woman now, you’ll know they have completely given up. Whomever she is will have been selected to provide a footnote in history and to take the blame for the rout that will be inflicted upon the Party.

  33. Sandman says:
    Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 10:48 am

    Listen to the old hands. They could see that defeat loomed in 2019. I know. I heard them. They are wary about 2022 as well. The bashing in 2019 has left a gaping hole in the plurality. It needs to be rebuilt if Labor are to win.

    Right now Labor’s PV is probably sitting around 38-39%. That will deliver a 50/50 2PP and that will likely be sufficient for the LRP to hang on. If Labor can lift the PV to 41% they will win. If the PV is squeezed back to 34-35%, the LRP will win more comfortably.

    Forget about the top line 2PP published with the polls. They are meaningless artefacts of the past. Watch the PVs.

  34. A worthy account of where Roberts-Smith’s suit stands. While unsure about how many witnesses he’s going to call, at least one will confirm his version of events.

    [‘It’s one of the most contentious questions to come before the court in the Ben Roberts-Smith defamation case.

    Were there, or were there not, Afghan men hiding inside a secret tunnel, discovered by Australian special forces in a village compound dubbed Whiskey 108 on Easter Sunday 13 years ago?

    The tunnel question is significant, for this reason. Lawyers for Nine, the defendants in this case, say two Afghan males were discovered in the tunnel when its concealed entrance was exposed by one of Roberts-Smith’s SAS comrades that day.

    Nine’s case is that the fugitives gave up without a struggle, were searched and handcuffed, but later executed on site: in one case by Roberts-Smith, and in the second instance, by another soldier, Person 4, at Roberts-Smith’s direction. Execution of unarmed prisoners is a war crime under the international rules of combat Australia has signed up to.

    One of the two men had a prosthetic leg, later souvenired by the troop and taken back to be used as a drinking vessel at the SAS bar, the Fat Lady’s Arms, at Tarin Kowt.

    Roberts-Smith, by contrast, has given sworn testimony that there was no one inside the Whiskey 108 tunnel.

    He says he killed the Afghan with the prosthetic leg outside the compound, when the man came running around the corner, armed, and posing a threat. The other Afghan, he says, was similarly killed in combat by a different soldier. Both killings, on his version of events, would have been lawful.

    On June 21 last year, under intense cross-examination from Nine’s counsel, Nicholas Owens, SC, Roberts-Smith insisted once again “there were no men in the tunnel”.

    Nine has now called four SAS witnesses who were at Whiskey 108 on the day, who’ve sworn they saw one or two Afghan prisoners pulled out of the tunnel that day.’]

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/tunnel-vision-evidence-mounts-on-key-question-in-roberts-smith-trial-20220310-p5a3p6.html

  35. Bushfire Bill says:
    Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 10:56 am

    I don’t know what planet you are living on Bludging.

    I live on the same planet as other bludgers. But I take a longer view than many. I’m conscious that Labor has won from Opposition only four times since WW1. I’m conscious that Labor have won only 1/6 elections contested from Opposition since 1949. I’m conscious that Labor’s enemies are everywhere and that they lie about Labor whenever they have the opportunity. I’m conscious that the Australian electorate exhibits a deep and remarkably stable reluctance to change. I’m conscious that to win Labor will need a change election this year. I’m conscious that while change can happen, it usually does not.

    Albo has a good chance. But it is only a chance. We are a very long way from the conclusion of the cycle. More vote-rustling will happen in the coming campaign period than has happened in the last three years. Whether Albo wins or not will depend on what happens in the coming phase.

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