For your US election needs, there is a newly launched post on which Adrian Beaumont will be offering live coverage. For some Australian perspective on the matter, the Australia Institute has a poll showing Australians preferring Joe Biden over Donald Trump by 52% to 24%, which is actually narrower than I might have figuered, but the lead extends to supporters of the Coalition (45% to 33%) as well as Labor (64% to 15%). For those of you with a lingering interest in the late count in Queensland, I am continuing to regular-ish updates on the close seats (Bundaberg, Nicklin and Currumbin) to the relevant post.
Then there’s the latest fortnightly Essential Research poll, conducted Wednesday to Sunday from a sample of 1063, which features leadership ratings for Premiers in the four largest states based on small-sample breakdowns. Out of 345 respondents from New South Wales, 68% approved of Gladys Berejiklian with 21% disapproving, both results being up one on a fortnight ago; Daniel Andrews is up seven on approval to 61% and down seven on disapproval to 33%, out of a sample of 275 Victorians; Annastacia Palaszczuk is up three to 65% and down four to 24%; and reaching deep into low-sample, high error margin territory, Mark McGowan records 78% approval (down six) and 12% disapproval (up five) from 105 Western Australians.
The newly liberated Victorian sample also registered a 55% positive rating for the government’s handling of COVID-19, up ten on a month ago, while the New South Wales government was up three to 68% and Queensland’s was steady on 69%. On the stronger methodological ground of the full national sample, the federal government’s performance was rated good by 61% (up one) and poor by 15% (down three). The poll also found 81% support for “the establishment of an independent federal corruption body to monitor the behaviour of our politicians and public servants”, with only 6% opposition
Beemer
I never trashed science during the lockdown.
I always said look at South Korea. I never called to open up.
You must be thinking of some LNP poster.
That’s what happens when you try and pretend someone is an extremist. You get your facts wrong as your prejudice takes over.
Edit. reminder. South Korea. Mandatory Masks. Quarantine. Contact tracing and testing.
Guytaur
You did because you accused the idea of lockdowns as “ideological” and you said it more than once.
Beemer
You have the wrong person or you are lying because I never said any such thing.
I did say opposition to it was ideological.
Guytaur
Its okay we understand 😉
Beemer
Yes we understand you trying to pretend you are right about your claim about me. I have corrected you.
Great to see a big battery being built in Victoria. Is sure to annoy Labors fossil fuel cartel members in NSW/Qld.
Guytaur
The discussion was about whether the government could close workplaces down and you said that was wrong and to argue for it was “ideological”
Beemer
You are now flat out lying.
Bye waste of space
Mexicanbeemer @ #207 Sunday, November 8th, 2020 – 3:38 pm
I doubt guytaur would have said that.
DimTim on the other hand….
Guytuar
LOL thanks hot air balloon.
Rex
I know which is why i remember it.
Rex
You are correct of course. I never said any such thing.
As my response was very clear. I think Beemer just hates the The Biden speech brings facts back into political debate. Thus the Greens are back. As is praise of Gillard for working with sane science accepting politicians to getting a carbon price in place and that public universal healthcare is in no way radical.
Mexicanbeemer @ #211 Sunday, November 8th, 2020 – 3:41 pm
Maybe it was just miscommunication. We certainly know guytaurs thoughts now which is all that matters.
Guytaur
Go over to the election article and you will see that i tipped Biden to win but do ignore facts.
Rex
There are times when the argument here can become confused which is why i am being a bit tongue in cheek with Guytaur.
Rex
It’s no miscommunication.
I was extremely clear in my response. Beemer just wants a distraction from the political reality I outlined.
An easy way to take the conversation away from the political failure of Labor’s right in appeasing the climate deniers and pretending Bernie Sanders policies in the US were radical.
Edit: Sorry that’s all his policies to be crystal clear.
Guytaur
Why would a Biden supporter want a distraction?
We had an argument about whether the government could through the health department lockdown workplaces and you argued to say that was ideological.
Yes, we really should bring the conversation back to the inane workings of the Labor right and the fossil fuel puppets.
I expect Albo to step up and show some strong leadership re climate/jobs now that the US is back on track.
Rex.
The point of course is Labor needs to listen to Andrew Barr not Joel Fitzgibbon.
Not only is “inner city elites” politics back big time.
Elections have been going well for the Greens including some Victorian Council elections.
Labor has to be real. To pass progressive legislation through the senate it’s going to require cooperation between Labor and the Greens.
Andrew Barr can teach Labor how to do it. So can Jacinda Ardern.
The best part of Ardern’s example is proving Labor is as bad if not worse than the Greens at cooperation. The latest excuse being the Greens are not practical while pretending it’s all on the Greens to fold.
This of course ignores the very practical cooperation that got Labor and Conservative politicians on board with the carbon price.
Edit: Labor has to let go of blaming the Greens for Labor’s faults.
Seems to me the Labor right only has one plan for 2022 – bribe the outer urbs with cash via childcare.
It may work, but it doesn’t do anything about the environmental and economic catastrophe of not acting to end Australia’s reliance on fossil fuels ASAP.
Rex
Take out the policies to appease the fossil fuel donors and Federal Labor and ACT Labor climate policies are roughly the same. So it’s not quite as bad as that.
It’s just the gas and coal that Labor needs to get past.
The politicians don’t matter that much when it comes to future energy use.
The Guardian puts it plainly on why Labor needs to move. Otherwise the LNP will beat them to it.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/08/joe-bidens-move-to-net-zero-emissions-will-leave-australia-in-the-coal-dust
guytaur @ #161 Sunday, November 8th, 2020 – 1:29 pm
Well if the Government does something before the next election, then it would have been impossible for Labor to beat them to it.
I missed this. Has he gone off his head?
Barney
Labor can announce its new energy policy today. They don’t need to wait. The longer Labor waits the worse it will be for Labor.
guytaur @ #164 Sunday, November 8th, 2020 – 1:52 pm
Useless words unless they have control of the Treasury Benches.
Barney
More excuses from you for Labor to do nothing. Great way to appease the dinosaur deniers and lose elections.
There is no reason for the ALP to release a policy just because the Greens are desperate for it and the politicians will not be deciding future energy use.
Then let him stand aside and allow business and everyone else their head. He’s happy to do nothing about other problems whenever it suits him.
lizzie @ #230 Sunday, November 8th, 2020 – 4:03 pm
That’s good advice. If by dint of hard work they succeed we know he knows how to take credit. And if they fail, well that works for him too. (If only he’d not waved that lump of coal so gleefully.)
guytaur @ #166 Sunday, November 8th, 2020 – 1:56 pm
Earth to guytaur,
Labor can do nothing from Opposition.
If the Government decide to act it will be purely through international pressure and the threat of trading sanctions.
Why do Labor need, or want, to appease the likes of you or P1, when their agenda seems to be linked to the election cycle?
You never know, it may still be a work in progress as we speak.
Barney
Earth to Barney. Labor can have policies. This don’t announce anything now is why Labor loses.
Have it there so voters learn of it.
The polls revealed it was ignorance that let Labor be defeated.
Hiding from voters does not win elections.
Informed voters went for Labor in the majority.
Do learn from history.
test
test 2
guytaur @ #171 Sunday, November 8th, 2020 – 2:32 pm
😆 😆 😆
So, how do you educate someone who doesn’t want to learn?
You’ll make millions if you have discovered that secret.
dave,
you’re becoming quite testing! 🙂
Barney
Your assumptions are wrong. See Biden. He won. He has Socialists in his party and he won. This with the biggest you are a socialist fear mongering.
Florida went to Trump because they believed that fear campaign.
What did the Democrats do wrong? They did not have outreach to voters informing them he was not a socialist. So Trump won the voters fearing a dictator who voted for fascism. Only education changes that.
Long term education.
The two biggest issues were the economy and the virus. AOC dropped 10% and the ALP do not need to release a policy just to suit the greens.
guytaur @ #177 Sunday, November 8th, 2020 – 2:47 pm
???????????????
Does this mean something?
Barney
This is successful politics.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/07/us/politics/aoc-biden-progressives.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
The Left is winning. The Murdoch narrative has been trashed.
Time to adjust.
AOC dropped 10%.
Yes, the main thing is for Labor not to reveal any policies until an election is called. Totes the best time to explain complex issues and rebut scare campaigns eh.
Poroti
The ALP holds its national conference before finalising policies.
Yeah, people want parties to consult – with experts, with people on the ground – before policies are released. They say that rank and file members should have a say, too. But if parties take the time needed to actually do any of that, the whinge is that there are no policies and that the party stands for nothing.
Some parties are modest. They understand that they don’t know everything, and they take the time to listen to others.
Others already know everything there is to be known, including what people on the ground OUGHT to be thinking. As they don’t think anyone else has anything to teach them, they can issue policies on a moment’s notice.
Throw into the mix that events and issues change over time, and a policy position taken a year out from an election might be out of date when the day arrives.
Mexicanbeemer
Nothing stopping them from explaining principles, stance, aims, intentions before formal adoption.
Zoomster
The change represented by Biden is happening with tweets online by Labor
The point is without the fossil fuel policies Labor and Greens cooperate and have long term governments.
Murdoch is being trashed. By no less than Kevin Rudd and Turnbull on Insiders.
The politics have changed. Labor can change its policy today to win the Federal election being one of the parties working with Europe China South Korea etc to avid tariffs on our exports.
After all it’s backing the science. All Labor has to do is educate voters that is not job destroying.
Murdoch is directly attacking democracy today after the election has been lost. Might have dementia to be on the losers side for once.
This is a sea change. We are in 2008. Remember the year that Rudd was in Office and Murdoch and Alan Jones started their lies media campaign with consequences we are still living with? Recognise the change. Adjust.
guytaur
I’m not sure what Labor is supposed to be adjusting. The party’s commitment to action on climate change is long standing.
guytaur,
Numerous times you’ve proclaimed that “the politics has changed.”
I see no evidence of it being in the direction you claim.
zoomster @ #187 Sunday, November 8th, 2020 – 3:51 pm
Bbbbbut, they don’t have a policy! 😆