With the last open thread threatening to fall off the bottom page amid a thicket of Queensland and US-specific posts, here’s a refresher. Newspoll is having an off-week to avoid Queensland election static, although Essential Research should be along with its fortnightly attitudinal results tomorrow. All I have to relate other than that is:
• There has apparently been progress in the establishing of an Australian Polling Council, potentially meaning a new age of full disclosure by pollsters of their weights and breakdowns. Its members are YouGov, Essential Research, Ipsos, uComms, JWS Research, Lonergan Research and Telereach.
• The Australia Institute has published a report on attitudes to climate change that I’m a little too busy for right now, but you can find it here.
• Kos Samaras of RedBridge Group discusses polling conducted in September showing 57% of Melburnians think the state Liberal opposition has not “played a constructive role during this pandemic.
I don’t know if many long-term conclusions can really be drawn from a Biden victory tomorrow. 2020 is one of the most unusual, bitter, and divisive presidential elections the US has ever had. Sure, it could be the beginning of the progressive revolution Guytaur has been sure is right around the corner for near a decade now, but it also could just represent a return to the status quo, or even a lull before the next far-right loony wins the presidency.
Now, if Trump wins, on the other hand, there are probably a great many conclusions one can make, none of them good.
What the fucking fuck?
lizzie @ #508 Tuesday, November 3rd, 2020 – 3:24 pm
As I understand things, the change over between superpowers takes many decades, up to ten, and that change over invariably includes a major conflict, and that is only avoided if the outgoing succeeds peacefully, or another way, it is in the hands of the failing power to manage the change over without war.
Guytaur
“Such a pain for that reality to be shoved in your face.”
The pain will be when people find out Greens supported people who they despise.
Remember Brexit?
Perhaps the Irish won’t be importing potatoes from Scotland after Brexit.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/02/chips-are-down-brexit-uncertainty-causing-scottish-potato-crisis
The UK is still digging that hole with Biden.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/02/uk-embassy-regarded-joe-biden-past-his-best-kim-darroch
Asha Leu.
Yet you appear to comprehend Guytaur-speak?
guytaursays:
Tuesday, November 3, 2020 at 3:03 pm
A reminder to Labor people as the Melbourne Cup is run.
It’s called the sport of kings. Not the sport of the common people.
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Bullshit not in Victoria.
The Andrews govt, in particular Racing minister Martin Pakula love the ‘sport’.
Was hoping they would all get around safe, but sadly one had to be put down.
Asha Leu
Whether Biden heralds a new era will only become evident in time and all i say to the Guytaurs of the world is not to overreach or they risk being disappointed because in politics the more things change the more they stay the same.
One dead horse.
And you were hoping it would be Andrews.
AL
Biden represents the “woke elite” according to Trump and many others on the right along with the New York Times.
That’s hardly proclaiming a progressive revolution.
That’s acknowledging the reality of where America goes if Biden wins. It’s a slightly to the left of Obama government.
I did not claim FDR status though some notable US politicians have claimed that’s what we can expect
Taylor made
Bullshit from you. Even in Victoria it’s known as the sport of kings. It’s a common world wide term.
Mexicanbeemer
I seem to remember there was the same optimism when president obama was elected, but the structure of the parliament ensures that little changes.
Sometimes.
Mexicanbeemer
I take that back. Trump has changed the world.
Lizzie
Obama wasn’t alone in not having control of congress and he did have the GFC but he did more talking than acting and i doubt Trump has changed the world as much as the reactionaries would like to think he has.
The new era will come wth generational change. Biden will, I hope, help oversee the slow sequestering of the rancid right flank of the Repugs with less social discord. What Biden will immediately reset is the world dial on Global Warming.
Mexicanbeemer
Well, if nothing else, he has debased the position of the Presidency.
This is swearworthy.
Lizzie
Trump has debased himself that is for sure but the presidency has come through these periods before so as long as the political reactionaries are vanished then the US will benefit from a record turnout as people get the message that they need to turn up.
Mexicanbeemer
Surely it is the left who have been at the forefront of proclaiming Trunp’s ‘change the world’ (but not in a good way) ability rather than the ‘reactionaries’ .
Mexicanbeemer
The green shoots of democracy are appearing? Well done for extracting optimism from despair. 🙂
The course of religious fundamentalism troubles me, here, there, and everywhere. I’m hoping that with ‘stability’, education, and economic improvements, people don’t need such fanatical, fanciful, (insert other f-word of choice) afterlife rewards to make some sense of why they exist.
lizzie @ #566 Tuesday, November 3rd, 2020 – 5:34 pm
the prefix they are looking for is +61 3 ………
lizzie
The “joke” being that they are calling Australia now shows that what piqued their interest in Australia was Victoria’s beating a second wave and that had nothing to do with Scrott. insert :5minutesswearing:.
😆
A former Liberal Party staffer, who has worked in the offices of two NSW premiers, has been arrested on historical child sexual abuse charges after a four-year investigation by police.
The 41-year-old man, who cannot be named as he was a juvenile at the time of the alleged offending, was charged on Tuesday with a number of offences against two children who knew him.
No need to wait for a result, or wait for Bluey, the winner has been revealed.
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WORLD EXCLUSIVE: Muscles the Mystic Croc reveals who will win the US election between Donald Trump and Joe Biden.
https://www.ntnews.com.au/news/northern-territory/muscles-peers-into-the-stars-and-picks-joe-biden/news-story/36cf9f6f271676a00e5cf922853d353c
Taylormade @ #554 Tuesday, November 3rd, 2020 – 5:20 pm
7 deaths in 7 years. Outrageous.
The cup, as a race, needs to change because it’s obviously not safe.
I’m sure Scomo has forwarded all the congratulations on to Dan …
The Daily Dans were a brilliant form of PR.
The hostile press played a crucial role in the rise of Andrews’ approval.
Deja vu. NSW police will not investigate Gladys’ office shredding documents.
Handballed to the state archives.
Strike me pink. Who’d have expected that outcome.
ItzaDream @ #501 Tuesday, November 3rd, 2020 – 5:22 pm
Again.
Is it really all worth it? Just so some Tradies can take the day off and take their wags to the races and get pissed as they preen around the racecourse?
Aqualung @ #524 Tuesday, November 3rd, 2020 – 5:55 pm
Gladys will be thinking, money well spent after she gave the Police Commissioner a massive pay rise.
Been a big day for the nsw government.
Public servants pay increases reduced from 2.5% to 1.5% by im not in it to be liked, iCare Dominic.
And from the police minister what sounded suspiciously like a Trumpian call to civil disorder from people unable to travel to Queensland.
Was almost like Friday but it’s only Tuesday.
ItzaDream @ #571 Tuesday, November 3rd, 2020 – 5:40 pm
You don’t think any other states deserve any credit?
Yes C@tmomma. Wasn’t that just after the pollies got a pay rise?
Itza
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@ScottMorrisonMP and senior ministers are fielding calls from all over the world on how well Australia has done on virtually eliminating the coronavirus, Sky News Political Editor @aclennell says….
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Elimination eh, now what was it Scrott said about that ,I’m sure he told the callers it was not what he was aiming for.
My dad was a jockey who rode in NSW and then Queensland after the war. He had a racefall and broke his pelvis after which he retired from riding. He then started work in the building industry and did his adult apprenticeship as a painter. He worked in the building industry for the rest of his working life.
My dad was not a “ king” just a ordinary hardworking Australian who loved his racing and the punt. He went to the track every Saturday and mingled with people from all walks of life and all professions. He was friends with Jim Killeen, himself a great racing man.Racing bought people together. People who shared a common interest. I am sure it still does.
It seems to me those who try to denigrate horse racing and go on about “ sport of kings “ as some sort of put down of racing would in many cases not have a clue and would not have stepped onto a course in their lives. They just sit on high with their rose scented hankies held to their noses as they tut tut about the evils of horseracing.
All I can say is go and get a life, stop sucking on lemons and stop going on about the great class divide and the bullshit sport of kings mantra and simply leave ordinary real people to enjoy their racing.
I would hate to be at a party with some of the whingers here. You would suck all of the happiness and fun out of a room just by walking in.
Great post Doyley.
The Drum has a “Trump Overseas” spruiker on, slagging-off Biden for his age and experience.
Seriously? Do they think there’s still time?
BB
Looks like a jumped up little shirt lifter.
Doyley
Since you are a racing person do you think the Melbourne Cup needs to cut the number of runners or has that got nothing to do with the number of race injuries to the horses?
To get me through this stressful time of not knowing the US results, I have re-installed an chrome extension.
It was Jon Stewarts term to describe ‘the thing in the Whitehouse’ and any site you visit it works on.
It’s cheering me up a lot.
The track is just too firm for 3200m race.
I’m not sure how you’d do it, but the track should be rated as slow to dead just before the cup is run, no firmer than that.
Something has to change.
Where did ABC find this guy? Seriously there’s balance and just out and out blind patriotism.
The rest of the panel can’t believe their ears. They’re laughing at him.
Mexicanbeemer,
I am sorry but I have no real inspired answer to your excellent question.
The Melbourne Cup is a very very high quality race over 3200 metres with huge prestige and substantial financial windfalls for owners, trainers and jockeys. On occasions split second decisions are made by jockeys in the heat of racing that they may “ regret” at the end. Other times simple bad luck rears its head as tired horses shift in or out into the path of quickening horses behind them. A lot of pressure, a lot of snap decision making and a lot of luck both good and bad in the race every year.
On the other hand my dad had his fall at a obscure mid week race meeting at Oakey in regional Queensland. The horse he was riding had to be euthanised and my dad had weeks in hospital. So it has always been thus. The Melbourne Cup is not unique in this regard.
I am sorry I am unable to provide anything more substantial.
Cheers.