Essential Research budget expectations polling

Mixed messages on the imminent federal budget, plus polling from WA on border closures and secession.

The most interesting poll of the day is YouGov’s Queensland state poll, which you can read about here, but we do also have some results from the fortnightly Essential Research poll courtesy of The Guardian, focusing on expectations for the budget. Fifty-one per cent of respondents expected it would benefit the well off and 30% expected it would benefit those on low incomes, but only 25% thought it would benefit them personally. Thirty-five per cent expected it would be good for the economy compared with 31% for bad.

More interestingly, 78% signed on to the proposition that now was a good time to “explore new ways to run the economy”, with only 22% opposed. Sixty-nine per cent favoured “direct investment by government in job creation and in projects with the objective of improving living standards” when it was offered as an alternative to “deregulation to encourage employment and tax cuts for wealthy Australians”, which some may consider a false binary. The full report should be out later today.

In other poll news, The West Australian has been dealing out further results from the poll of 3500 respondents that recorded a 16% swing on state voting intention to Labor – remembering that this was a poll of five selected marginal seats, and not of the entire state. The poll found support for Western Australia’s hard border at 77% with 14% opposed, and support for secession at 28% and opposition at 55%, with 17% somehow unclear of their opinion.

UPDATE: Full results from Essential Research poll are available on the website, although there isn’t the usual PDF file at this point. Regular questions on COVID-19 suggest a softening of concern over the past fortnight, with very concerned down six to 30%, quite concerned up seven to 52%, not that concerned steady on 15% and not at all concerned down one to 4%. Perceptions of government performance in response are little changed, with the federal government on 60% good (down one) and 18% poor (steady), and good ratings for state governments on 65% in New South Wales (down two), 45% in Victoria (down two) 69% in Queensland (up one), 83% in Western Australia (down one) and 81% in South Australia (steady), with due regard to the small sub-sample sizes here.

UPDATE 2: PDF file here.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. I’m sure when Labor embrace renewables the Greens will line up with the Liberals, anti transmission tower and wind-farm line, defrock here comes your Green party support. On the plus side anything the Greens touches dies.

    https://defrock.org/

  2. “ Careful Andrew Earlwood. You might end up being accused of keeping Pegasus chased away.”

    Good riddance. On the odd occasions when I pinned her down, she agreed with me. But she was a self proclaimed ‘Tampa Green’ (taking out her rage against the pirates in charge by punching on against Labor. You know it makes sense) and hence ‘position’ trumps progress, every good damn always with saint horsey. Basically evil.

  3. I like snapping turtles c@t.

    The alligator turtle that the Australian Reptile Park keeps up your way is spectacular. That particular specimen has quite a history as well.

    But poor ole’ Clem. I’m guessing the 5km rule has been keeping him from his conclave of seagulls at St Kilda pier. He’s been quite fractious of late.

  4. My apologies, A_E. 😀

    I just thought turtle because clem must be 100 in the shade the way they keep going on about the Groupers. I mean, who, except the most tragic Australian political historian, even knows who the Groupers were!?! All my Millennials know is that dad used to shout at the TV all the time at John Howard! Hawke and Keating are the vaguest of memories. Fraser, nothing and Gough only because I went to his funeral at the Town Hall and they wanted to know why I was so excited about it. I literally won the Labor lottery to get my seat. 🙂

  5. C@tmomma @ #1516 Thursday, October 8th, 2020 – 10:27 pm

    My apologies, A_E. 😀

    I just thought turtle because clem must be 100 in the shade the way they keep going on about the Groupers. I mean, who, except the most tragic Australian political historian, even knows who the Groupers were!?! All my Millennials know is that dad used to shout at the TV all the time at John Howard! Hawke and Keating are the vaguest of memories. Fraser, nothing and Gough only because I went to his funeral at the Town Hall and they wanted to know why I was so excited about it. I literally won the Labor lottery to get my seat. 🙂

    Clem Atlee died on this day.

  6. C@tmomma @ #1516 Thursday, October 8th, 2020 – 10:27 pm

    My apologies, A_E. 😀

    I just thought turtle because clem must be 100 in the shade the way they keep going on about the Groupers. I mean, who, except the most tragic Australian political historian, even knows who the Groupers were!?! All my Millennials know is that dad used to shout at the TV all the time at John Howard! Hawke and Keating are the vaguest of memories. Fraser, nothing and Gough only because I went to his funeral at the Town Hall and they wanted to know why I was so excited about it. I literally won the Labor lottery to get my seat. 🙂

    Those who cannot remember the past …

    George Santayana must be spinning in his grave 🙁

  7. Uh huh.

    Rabbi Oren Hayon
    @RabbiHayon
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    10h
    I am a full-time professional purveyor of thoughts and prayers, and I would just like to emphasize that they are not a substitute for humane public policy and accessible healthcare for all.

  8. Greensborough Growler @ #1517 Thursday, October 8th, 2020 – 10:28 pm

    C@tmomma @ #1516 Thursday, October 8th, 2020 – 10:27 pm

    My apologies, A_E. 😀

    I just thought turtle because clem must be 100 in the shade the way they keep going on about the Groupers. I mean, who, except the most tragic Australian political historian, even knows who the Groupers were!?! All my Millennials know is that dad used to shout at the TV all the time at John Howard! Hawke and Keating are the vaguest of memories. Fraser, nothing and Gough only because I went to his funeral at the Town Hall and they wanted to know why I was so excited about it. I literally won the Labor lottery to get my seat. 🙂

    Clem Atlee died on this day.

    And may he Rest in Peace. We still get his doppelganger for eternity it seems.

  9. Andrew_Earlwood says:

    Thursday, October 8, 2020 at 10:02 pm

    “ Careful Andrew Earlwood. You might end up being accused of keeping Pegasus chased away.”

    Good riddance. On the odd occasions when I pinned her down, she agreed with me. But she was a self proclaimed ‘Tampa Green’ (taking out her rage against the pirates in charge by punching on against Labor. You know it makes sense) and hence ‘position’ trumps progress, every good damn always with saint horsey. Basically evil.

    ==============

    Yeah right. Pegasus didn’t adhere to the echo chamber rules so good riddance. That’s one of the reasons Labor lose more elections than they win. Like my nearest neighbour who was a Labor voter until he had a visit from some idiot campaigning for Labor before the 2010 election. He said something positive about the Greens and got an earful from the visitor. He’s voted Greens 1 and Libs above Labor ever since. There are quite a few people on this board who could have been that visitor.

  10. Six people have been been charged with plotting to kidnap the Michigan governor, Gretchen Whitmer, that involves links to a rightwing militia group, the Federal Bureau of Investigation announced.

    Additionally another seven people were charged with plotting to target law enforcement and attack the state capitol building. The state attorney general, Dana Nessel, announced additional charges under Michigan’s anti-terrorism law. Seven men, all in custody, are linked to the militia group Wolverine Watchmen.

    They are suspected of attempting to identify the homes of law enforcement officers to “target them, made threats of violence intended to instigate a civil war”. They also planned and trained for an operation to attack the Michigan capitol building and to kidnap government officials, including the governor, Nessel said.

    The news sent shockwaves through a country facing one the most contentious elections in its history and already marred by accusations of voter suppression, civil unrest linked to police brutality and sometimes violent incidents and protests by heavily armed rightwingers.

    The FBI said in an affidavit that the plot to kidnap Whitmer had involved reaching out to members of a Michigan militia. The criminal complaint states that the alleged plot involved her second home in northern Michigan.

  11. Here is one for you gerontologists out there.

    John Tyler, the 10th President of the United States, from 1841 to 1845. was born in 1790, just after George Washington became the first President.

    His grandson, Lyon Gardiner Tyler has just died at 95. Yes, President Tyler (“Tippecanoe and Tyler too”) who annexed Texas as the 28th state, was his grandfather.

    I was pretty much impressed when I realized a few years ago that my uncle, who died at 99 was still living 150 years after his father was born and about 180 years after his grandfather. Tyler beat that easily and was alive 230 years after his grandfather arrived on the scene.

  12. Oh dear, all those self funded retirees must be just so pleased with the farrago of lies from the Wilsons before the 2019 election…

    By Jennifer Duke and Katina Curtis
    October 8, 2020 — 10.30pm

    Self-funded retirees struggling to stay afloat have been urged by the federal government to tap into their home’s equity to get through the recession.

    Assistant Minister for Superannuation Jane Hume acknowledged self-funded retirees had taken a hit during the coronavirus pandemic from the combination of lower interest rates, reduced bank dividends, and a drop in rental income.
    ….
    However, the federal budget did not include any additional measures to help them specifically.

    When asked what self-funded retirees should do if they were struggling during the recession, Senator Hume suggested they look to the pension loan scheme, saying “the savings people have put into their family home” were part of the retirement income system
    ….

    “That’s a really innovative and very inexpensive way of adding to their income,” Senator Hume said.

    “I wouldn’t be surprised … if it’s something people turn their mind to now as another tool in the kit to help them through the most disruptive and uncertain part of managing their personal balance sheets during the pandemic.”

    Association of Independent Retirees president Wayne Strandquist said many older Australians would not consider the option.

    “Retirees in general are quite reluctant to [tap] into their private residence to provide short-term cash flow,” he said. Many saw it as affecting the inheritance they would leave, and there was an unwillingness to let the government have a lien on their estate.

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/self-funded-retirees-urged-to-tap-home-equity-as-budget-critics-come-under-fire-20201008-p5634v.html

  13. One of the more impressive statistics in the Biden campaign is the surge in support from the over 65s. It is likely to get him over the line in Sunbelt states like Florida and Arizona, and possibly the jewel in the purple crown, Texas. Some Fla polls have Biden up 55/29 in the senior demographic.

    Labor could well look at why this is the case, it can’t all be Dotard’s blatant disregard for public health. This may be the wedge, but the follow up positivity as well.

    Peeling off some of Australia’s seniors out of the blue column with targeted policies and messaging should be pursued.

  14. Good morning Dawn Patrollers

    David Crowe outlines Albo’s address in reply.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/albanese-pledges-universal-childcare-subsidy-in-budget-reply-20201008-p563ea.html
    Here’s Katharine Murphy’s take on Albo’s speech.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/oct/08/anthony-albanese-unveils-childcare-and-energy-plans-in-budget-2020-reply-speech
    And Albanese has penned an op-ed headlined “Morrison recession will be deeper and longer because of this budget”.
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/morrison-recession-will-be-deeper-and-longer-because-of-this-budget-20201008-p563cb.html
    Crowe tells us how Albanese is getting under Morrison’s skin and how it seems to be part of a new tactic to wound the government by wounding Morrison.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/friction-at-the-dispatch-box-albanese-hopes-a-sledge-can-turn-the-game-20201008-p563br.html
    Michelle Grattan thinks Albanese is trying to climb an impossible mountain.
    https://theconversation.com/grattan-on-friday-anthony-albanese-tries-to-climb-an-impossible-mountain-147796
    In an excellent contribution, Waleed Aly makes his case for saying that a JobSeeker boost would have delivered more bang for buck than tax cuts. He says that this week’s budget shows the Coalition’s narrative hasn’t budged at all as the decision to return JobSeeker to pre-COVID levels can only be ideological.
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/jobseeker-boost-would-have-delivered-more-bang-for-buck-than-tax-cuts-20201008-p5635t.html
    While the government’s pragmatism and its willingness to abandon its past ideological railing against debt and deficits is welcome, Scott Morrison appears to be returning to his core beliefs in lower taxes and smaller government, plus favouring welfare for business. Michael Keating reports on Budget 2020.
    https://www.michaelwest.com.au/2020-budget-blues-welfare-for-business-derisory-support-for-women/
    Phil Coorey writes that Labor has responded to the federal budget by pledging $20 billion in loans or equity to rebuild the electricity transmission network using local workers and materials, and $6.2 billion in spending to remove caps and increase rebates for childcare.
    https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/labor-vows-26b-for-cheaper-childcare-green-grid-20201008-p5633p
    John Kehoe tells us that the federal government has stashed aside a record $57 billion for future cost blowouts and potential extra COVID-19 spending such as vaccines, in a massive under-the-radar expansion of the budget’s reserve fund.
    https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/revealed-57b-reserve-fund-for-covid-19-uncertainty-20201008-p5636y
    Royal commissions, loan guarantees and the coronavirus have increased potential risks to the budget, explains Shane Wright.
    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/budget-shows-economic-risks-abound-and-not-just-from-covid-19-20201008-p56357.html
    A $240 million insult for six million working women. That’s $40 each writes Shivani Gopal.
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/a-240-million-insult-for-six-million-working-women-that-s-40-each-20201008-p5636p.html
    Phil Coorey says that the departing finance pilot leaves a big hole in the government.
    https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/departing-finance-pilot-leaves-a-big-hole-in-the-government-20201008-p5633h
    Paul Karp writes that the Morrison government has tipped an extra $103m into a discretionary fund that will pay for a $23m grant to build a 16,000-seat stadium in Rockhampton announced by Pauline Hanson while Labor says community grants scheme that received $103m in budget is a Coalition ‘slush fund’.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/oct/09/labor-says-community-grants-scheme-that-received-103m-in-budget-is-a-coalition-slush-fund
    It would appear the NSW might be standing on the Covid-19 precipice.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/mask-use-going-backwards-customers-not-signing-in-complacency-and-apathy-hits-nsw-20201008-p563ce.html
    NSW has been the model citizen for the federal government’s hopes for how to manage the virus without destroying the economy, but 12 new cases are putting pressure on the NSW government – and the federal budget, writes Jennifer Hewett.
    https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/nsw-outbreak-puts-recovery-under-pressure-20201008-p563bl
    China just stunned the world with its step-up on climate action – and the implications for Australia may be huge, write these contributors to The Conversation.
    https://theconversation.com/china-just-stunned-the-world-with-its-step-up-on-climate-action-and-the-implications-for-australia-may-be-huge-147268
    Josh Taylor writes that Telstra is holding key information that could solve the mystery of who decided to use private security guards in hotel quarantine in Victoria but says restrictions in the mandatory data retention legislation prevent the release of critical call records.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/oct/08/telstra-phone-records-might-reveal-who-decided-to-use-security-guards-in-victorias-hotel-quarantine
    Self-funded retirees struggling to stay afloat have been urged by the federal government to tap into their home’s equity to get through the recession.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/self-funded-retirees-urged-to-tap-home-equity-as-budget-critics-come-under-fire-20201008-p5634v.html
    The Budget recognises the people it wants to help, and the rest can go to Hell says John Lord.
    https://theaimn.com/the-budget-recognises-the-people-it-wants-to-help-and-the-rest-can-go-to-hell/
    As more than a million Australians lose their livelihoods due to the coronavirus pandemic, for some companies, it is a ‘‘once in a generation’’ excuse to lay off workers and clear their books for the years ahead. And now many sacked employees are taking action, explains Cait Kelly.
    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2020/10/09/pandemic-redundancies-australia/
    The Morrison Government’s 2020 Budget message is a trillion in debt and no “baked in” spending or “unfunded” empathy anywhere in sight, writes Michelle Pini.
    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/the-coalitions-latest-trillion-dollar-tax-cuts-budget-promo,14389
    As families at public schools scrimp and save to provide the bare necessities, the federal government funnels ever more money into private schools without taking into account parents’ true capacity to pay. Trevor Cobbold reports.
    https://www.michaelwest.com.au/public-vs-private-school-funding/
    John Barilaro will lose his licence after receiving several fines for driving offences, including speeding and using his mobile phone in a ministerial car. Top effort!
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/barilaro-will-lose-driver-s-licence-after-speeding-in-ministerial-car-20201008-p563fi.html
    The 2020 Federal Budget has focused on economic interests and forsaken rebuilding our devastated environment, writes Sue Arnold.
    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/federal-budget-condemns-our-wildlife-to-extinction,14386
    The families of two food delivery drivers who were killed in road accidents in Sydney may face financial ruin due to a lack of workers’ compensation or insurance for gig economy workers.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/oct/08/deaths-of-two-food-delivery-riders-in-sydney-throws-spotlight-on-gig-workers-conditions
    The SMH editorial calls for tougher enforcement to stop harmful gambling,
    https://www.smh.com.au/business/consumer-affairs/tougher-enforcement-needed-to-stop-harmful-gambling-20201008-p563c9.html
    Tolling giant Transurban admits it could be forced to fork out more cash for the $6.7 billion West Gate Tunnel in Melbourne and has paid builders nearly $200 million to keep construction going on the project, which is running a year late.
    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/transurban-admits-it-may-face-further-costs-on-6-7b-west-gate-tunnel-20201008-p563c4.html
    Peter Hanna, gleefully reports that the NSW environmental watchdog has begun five prosecutions against state-owned Forestry Corp for allegedly felling trees in protected areas in northern NSW, drawing praise from conservationists.
    https://www.smh.com.au/environment/conservation/growing-a-backbone-nsw-epa-praised-for-prosecuting-forestry-corp-20201008-p563bh.html
    Australia’s major trading partners are preparing to slug exports from countries that don’t have deadlines to decarbonise their economies, but the federal government and Labor’s agriculture spokesman (Fitzgibbon, of course!) dismissed the threats, saying climate targets aren’t currently a concern for trade.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/agriculture-minister-and-labor-counterpart-dismiss-climate-target-trade-threats-20201008-p5636t.html
    Dana McCauley reveals that the Morrison government has given the suppliers of two COVID-19 vaccines indemnity against prosecution for rare side effects that experts say are “inevitable” when a vaccine is rolled out. That will do wonders for achieving the necessary immunisation take-up.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/morrison-government-grants-indemnity-for-covid-19-vaccine-side-effects-20201008-p5636o.html
    Jennifer Duke and Rob Harris report that there are 877 NBN workers earning about the same or more than the base salary of a federal backbench MP.
    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/850-nbn-staff-paid-more-than-200-000-amid-government-pay-crackdown-20201007-p562q2.html
    As the Victorian labor party cleans up its membership base, branches controlled by Adem Somyurek forces have shed members, while the party in general recorded unexpected membership growth.
    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/somyurek-goes-dark-as-membership-of-his-labor-branches-crashes-20201008-p563ar.html
    Elizabeth Knight says James Packer knows that Crown’s time partnering with junket operators with dubious links to organised crime and it not paying enough attention to money laundering is over.
    https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/a-new-crown-will-emerge-from-the-ashes-of-its-dysfunctional-predecessor-20201008-p563de.html
    Dominic Powell reports that Woolworths chief executive Brad Banducci has pledged that supermarket jobs won’t suffer at the hands of automation. It begs the question of what the point of automation is.
    https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/supermarket-jobs-still-safe-despite-automation-agenda-says-woolworths-boss-20201008-p5638w.html
    What!!! A Bondi resident has defended his proposal to turn 2 per cent of the world-famous beach into a private club, denying the venue – which would charge $80 for a two-hour session – is elitist.
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/not-an-extortionate-price-founder-defends-bondi-private-beach-club-plan-20201008-p5635c.html
    FBI agents have foiled a stunning plot to kidnap Michigan Democratic Governor Gretchen Whitmer, authorities said on Thursday, local time, in announcing charges in an alleged scheme that involved months of planning and even rehearsals to snatch Whitmer at her vacation home. She has been a frequent target of Trump’s criticism, including over her moves to enforce coronavirus social distancing rules in her state. Join the dots?
    https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/fbi-arrests-six-in-plot-to-kidnap-michigan-governor-20201009-p563ge.html
    Bloomberg explains why Big Tech has reason to fear a Biden victory. It’s all to do with anti-trust issues that Trump has been letting them get away with.
    https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/big-tech-has-reason-to-fear-a-biden-victory-20201008-p56329.html
    Trump has said overnight that he will not participate in next week’s virtual debate with Democratic nominee Joe Biden because “I’m not gonna waste my time”.
    https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/second-trump-biden-presidential-debate-going-virtual-amid-president-s-covid-19-diagnosis-20201008-p563g0.html
    Matthew Knott says Pence had a narrow win in yesterday’s vice-presidential debate.
    https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/harris-plays-it-safe-as-pence-shifts-debate-to-packing-and-fracking-20201008-p563ba.html
    Kamala Harris walked a tightrope, but still wiped the floor with Mike Pence opines Jill Filipovik.
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/07/kamala-harris-walked-a-tight-rope-but-still-wiped-the-floor-with-mike-pence
    Mike Pence struggles to defend the indefensible and please his disastrous boss, says Richard Wolffe.
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/08/mike-pence-debate-vp-struggles-to-defend-trump
    Bruce Wolpe writes that the Pence-Harris debate gave Trump no relief and a Biden victory is in reach.
    https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/pence-harris-debate-gives-trump-no-relief-a-biden-victory-is-in-reach-20201008-p563aq.html

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  15. You wouldn’t want to have had your shares in Qantas and be relying on the Franking Credits this year either.

    I would have bought into Property groups that oversee Short Term Holiday Rental accommodation. It’s one sector that’s booming right now as people can’t go interstate or overseas anymore, without a great deal of inconvenience and potential harm.

  16. From Lawyerly

    “Federal Circuit Court confirms death of ‘diligent and determined’ Judge Guy Andrew
    The Federal Circuit Court confirmed the death of Judge Guy Andrew late Thursday, after Queensland police said they found the body of a 55-year-old man, five days after he went missing in Brisbane bushland.

    Lawyer raises spectre of criminal charges in Banksia class action fee scandal
    Lawyer Alex Elliott, the son of the mastermind behind an alleged fraudulent scheme by the legal team in the Banksia class action, has resisted handing over evidence in the case against him, invoking the right to silence in the face of possible criminal charges.

    Insurer may be dragged into Banksia class action after death of cost consultant
    The cost consultant joined as a defendant in the trial over alleged misconduct by the Banksia class action legal team has died, the second person implicated in the fee scandal to die this year.

    AFR’s Joe Aston wrote ‘nasty’ text messages about Elaine Stead, court told
    Australian Financial Review columnist Joe Aston sent ‘very nasty’ text messages about venture capitalist Elaine Stead, and any in-person mediation ahead of Stead’s defamation trial is unlikely to be worthwhile given the animosity between the pair, a court has been told.

    iSelect to pay $8.5M for misleading consumers about energy plans
    A court has ordered comparison website iSelect to pay $8.5 million in penalties for making misleading representations through its online electricity comparison service and pushing plans to consumers that were not necessarily best suited for them.”

  17. Andrew Gold says:
    Friday, October 9, 2020 at 6:22 am

    ==============

    Yeah right. Pegasus didn’t adhere to the echo chamber rules so good riddance. That’s one of the reasons Labor lose more elections than they win.
    ………………………………………………………………..

    That comment on a psephology site is eponymous gold. Comedy.

  18. sprocket_ says:
    Friday, October 9, 2020 at 7:27 am
    One of the more impressive statistics in the Biden campaign is the surge in support from the over 65s. It is likely to get him over the line in Sunbelt states like Florida and Arizona, and possibly the jewel in the purple crown, Texas. Some Fla polls have Biden up 55/29 in the senior demographic.

    Labor could well look at why this is the case, it can’t all be Dotard’s blatant disregard for public health. This may be the wedge, but the follow up positivity as well.

    Peeling off some of Australia’s seniors out of the blue column with targeted policies and messaging should be pursued.
    ____________
    You could raise this marvellous insight at your local branch meeting sprockets, maybe send correspondence to your Federal and State MP as well?

  19. Morning all

    I’m not surprised regarding Governor Whitmer.
    She was the focus of Donito Mussolooney during lockdown. He was vicious towards her. more so than other Governors at the time.
    This resulted in the govt building being invaded by gun toting Trump supporters.
    It was a disgusting display.
    Trump needs to f off.

  20. “Yeah right. Pegasus didn’t adhere to the echo chamber rules so good riddance. That’s one of the reasons Labor lose more elections than they win. Like my nearest neighbour who was a Labor voter until he had a visit from some idiot campaigning for Labor before the 2010 election. He said something positive about the Greens and got an earful from the visitor. He’s voted Greens 1 and Libs above Labor ever since. There are quite a few people on this board who could have been that visitor.”

    ***

    100%. The jealous, bitter, unhinged conservative Laborites from the Right Faction who spend their lives on this blog attacking the left are quite adept at driving down the Labor vote.

  21. Victoria has recorded 11 more coronavirus cases and no new deaths for the second day in a row, the Department of Health confirmed on Friday.

    It means Melbourne‘s crucial 14-day virus average dropped to 9.4, with health authorities imploring that figure must be around five for the Government to consider easing restrictions on October 19.

    Regional Victoria‘s 14-day average is 0.4.

  22. Hmmm

    Olivia Nuzzi
    @Olivianuzzi
    · 53m
    NEW: Mike Pence has suddenly POSTPONED a scheduled trip to Indiana tomorrow.
    Show this thread

  23. Thanks BK for today’s Dawn Patrol.

    Just looking at an item from yesterday (all my troubles seemed so far ………)

    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/residents-failed-as-second-coronavirus-outbreak-hits-nursing-home-20201007-p562tn.html

    That second outbreak started when a resident returned to his shared room at Keilor following a stay at Footscray Hospital, where he acquired COVID-19.

    “It’s a lack of due care,” said Mr Desira. “From what I can gather, after the first outbreak, once they got clearance from the Department of Health and Human Services, they went back to not wearing any personal protective equipment because they had nothing to worry about any more.”

    The level of incompetence, ignorance and stupidity involved is world class. When do the outsourced “Stupidity Recovery” education schools start ❓

  24. “Dying in a Leadership Vacuum”

    The New England Journal of Medicine – 208 years old and venerated to the point of being referred to as the world’s most prestigious medical journal – takes a political stand for the first time in its history.

    …. this election gives us the power to render judgment. Reasonable people will certainly disagree about the many political positions taken by candidates. But truth is neither liberal nor conservative. When it comes to the response to the largest public health crisis of our time, our current political leaders have demonstrated that they are dangerously incompetent. We should not abet them and enable the deaths of thousands more Americans by allowing them to keep their jobs.

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2029812?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top

    (apologies if already posted and also posted on the US election thread)

  25. Speaking about Mike Pence, I loved Richard Wolffe’s description of the man:

    Faced with this storm of excrement, Pence found his refuge hiding behind something he called “the American people”.

    “When you say what the American people have done over these last several months hasn’t worked, that’s a great disservice to the sacrifices the American people have made,” said Pence, as if his boss was the entire American population rolled into the Covid-filled body of a former reality TV star.

    “The American people I believe deserve credit for the sacrifices they have made for the health of their family, and their neighbors, our doctors, nurses, first responders.”

    This kind of piously indignant pabulum is not a new performance for the current vice-president but rather something he perfected as a talkshow radio host in Indiana in the late 1990s. Pence styled himself as “Rush Limbaugh on decaf” which is just the kind of awshucks deception that is so vital to serving as a cardboard cutout behind Donald Trump’s shoulder.

    You need a lot of decaf to pretend to be a Christian conservative while fawning over a president who pays off porn stars.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/08/mike-pence-debate-vp-struggles-to-defend-trump

  26. It’s not hard to find the instigator of this kind of behaviour. What will things be like post Nov 3? One can only imagine.

    The FBI revealed Thursday that it thwarted a plot to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, unsealing charges against six people who it said contemplated a violent overthrow of the government as state authorities charged seven more who they said wanted to attack police and ignite a civil war.

    The plotters, according to an FBI affidavit, seemed to be motivated by their belief that state governments, including Michigan’s, were violating the Constitution. One of those involved complained in June that Whitmer (D) was controlling the opening of gyms — an apparent reference to coronavirus shutdown restrictions. But unbeknown to them, the FBI had confidential informants recording many of their discussions, according to the affidavit.

    President Trump has been publicly critical of Michigan’s leaders because of the state-imposed measures to stem the spread of the coronavirus, tweeting in April, “LIBERATE MICHIGAN.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/michigan-governor-kidnap-plot/2020/10/08/0032e206-0980-11eb-9be6-cf25fb429f1a_story.html

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