The West Australian has a poll today from Painted Dog Research showing 34% out of 837 respondents from the state favour secession for Western Australia. However, the utility of this finding is limited by the report’s failure to offer any insight as to how many of the other 66% were actively opposed and how many uncommitted, if indeed the latter was provided as an option. The poll also finds “close to three-quarters” think the federal government has put the needs of the eastern states ahead of Western Australia during the pandemic. I wouldn’t normally consider such a poll front page news, but it’s past time for a new general discussion thread, so here it is.
There is also the following:
• Since Tuesday’s post from Adrian Beaumont on the extraordinary finding of a Reid Research poll of voting intention in New Zealand, the other regular pollster in the country, Colmar Brunton, has produced a somewhat more modest result: Labour 53%, National 32%, Greens 5%, ACT New Zealand 4.8% and New Zealand First 2%. It also finds Jacinda Ardern with a 54-20 lead over the new National leader, Judith Collins, as preferred prime minister. There’s an interesting discussion on polling in the country, the record of which is apparently very good, on Radio New Zealand’s The Detail program.
• As noted in my popular dedicated post on the subject, elections will be held today for two seats in Tasmania’s Legislative Council. One of these at least, for the Launceston region seat of Rosevears, includes both Liberal and Labor candidates, and might be seen as some sort of barometer for the state’s new-ish Premier, Peter Gutwein, who has been recording exceptionally strong poll ratings amid the COVID-19 crisis. Live coverage of the count will, as ever, commence here at 6pm.
Bucephalus @ #1642 Tuesday, August 4th, 2020 – 1:48 pm
A price IS a market mechanism. A non market mechanism would be something like a quota.
“That is something I will not forgive the Greens for until they recognise their historical error and apologise to all those who have wanted meaningful climate action for the past decade.”
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The CPRS was a dud policy. It was a good thing that it was voted down. There is nothing to apologise for. The Greens’ policy of the ETS/Carbon Price which we took to the 2010 election and were able to get implemented was a far better outcome for the environment. Labor could celebrate their part in that but instead they still want to complain about the useless CPRS that never happened.
The Lib-Bot and the Green-Bots together deny they help each other to Labor’s detriment. This is a sure sign that they help each other.
They are anti-Labor parties. They both gain by defying and disrupting Labor. They oppose each other…but they both utterly despise Labor and will do whatever they can to foil Labor.
Labor should never have entertained a deal with the Greens in 2010. This has been an albatross around Labor’s neck ever since. The Greens and the LNP alike can be relied on to slit Labor’s political throat. They did just that in 2009. They repeated it during the term of minority government.
a r @ #1625 Tuesday, August 4th, 2020 – 1:20 pm
Political parties have to deal with voters’ pre-existent beliefs. Even with the best arguments in the world prosecuted in the most effective way, there will still be a strong residue of those pre-existent beliefs in a voter’s voting behaviour.
Firefox says:
Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 3:00 pm
“That is something I will not forgive the Greens for until they recognise their historical error and apologise to all those who have wanted meaningful climate action for the past decade.”
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The CPRS was a dud policy. It was a good thing that it was voted down. There is nothing to apologise for. The Greens’ policy of the ETS/Carbon Price which we took to the 2010 election and were able to get implemented was a far better outcome for the environment. Labor could celebrate their part in that but instead they still want to complain about the useless CPRS that never happened.
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Stop reciting from the Greens’ prayer book.
The CPRS was less than perfect, but it was not a dud. As I have repeated endlessly in previous posts, the scheme could have been improved and built upon to become somthing stronger.
By the time the Gillard minority government with Greens’ support implemented the carbon pricing scheme, the politics of Gillard “lying” about a so-called carbon tax had taken hold and almost doomed that scheme once the Libs returned to power.
I wish you Greens could just occasionally admit that your beloved party occasionally makes mistakes so we could move on and look to the future.
Sir Henry Parkes @ #1704 Tuesday, August 4th, 2020 – 1:06 pm
With the benefit of hindsight it made no difference whether it was a ETS, a price in carbon. or a full on carbon tax. The weak as piss ETS would never have been turned into something effective because as soon as Abbott became PM, he’d have knocked on the head any and every pollution/climate change mechanism, and we’d be right back to where we are now.
The ETS was more about getting Malcolm Turnbull and other moderate Libs to vote for it than do anything effective about climate change. That of course was scuppered by Abbott deposing Turnbull as LNP leader.
Sir Henry Parkes @ #1699 Tuesday, August 4th, 2020 – 3:06 pm
There’d have been no minority Govt had Rudd not mentally capitulated and instead gone to a DD election.
Labors troubles are all self-inflicted.
meher baba @ #1685 Tuesday, August 4th, 2020 – 2:33 pm
Is ‘retarded polak’ better or worse than ‘acne-covered’?
Seriously?
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non @ #1697 Tuesday, August 4th, 2020 – 3:04 pm
‘Labor should never have entertained a deal with the Greens in 2010.’
Yeah you’re right, Labor should have let Tony sell his arse and we would got him over and done with sooner?
non @ #1693 Tuesday, August 4th, 2020 – 2:57 pm
Non dribbling down the left side of his face now….pull yourself together son….
No politician should be above scrutiny for their political actions and I am sure Andrews is acutely aware of this…………..
However, there is a sick little group in our society that craves scapegoats and loves a witch hunt. We have a handful here of course on this site….
We saw this is raw public display when PMJG was in office – the ‘ditch the bitch (witch)’ stuff….All those who stood with Tony Abbott and others at that time were just stirring the hate pot at the time…..
What is really new on the conservative side of politics?
And this is the mob which screams ‘lornoder’……..louder than most………………….
Yabba says:
Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 3:18 pm
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Is ‘retarded polak’ better or worse than ‘acne-covered’?
From polak we got BEXIT so I think you have to give it to retarded polak.
Talking abour acne-covered, when I was a teenager I had the problem so I started washing with Dettol. Stripped my skin but it solved the problem.
mundo says:
Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 3:27 pm
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Yeah you’re right, Labor should have let Tony sell his arse and we would got him over and done with sooner?
I think so. It would have been the end of the Greens.
When can we expect to see the MJA article discussed on the front pages of the Australian, the Age and the Daily Telegraph?
https://www.pollbludger.net/2020/08/01/nothing-succeeds-like-secession/comment-page-35/#comment-3457532
The CPRS could have been improved once implemented, but would it have been?
Probably not significantly, without the Greens gaining the balance of power in the House of Reps. The ALP would likely otherwise have said that there was a bipartisanly negotiated CPRS and moved onto other issues, rebuffing Green attempts to strengthen it, with Abbott hammering away at it and trying to get in.
Predicting the past is as useful as tits on a dead snail.
If the scapegoat weighs the same as a duck, then it is a witch.
Cuticura Soap was excellent for acne.
The Greens completely outplayed Labor to get their Green agenda passed by a minority Govt.
Labor partisans have never gotten over the political embarrassment.
Labor now sulks in their room on their own like a scolded brooding child.
I don’t think it will cure Greens though.
Now I wonder how she caught that!
I know it seems an interminable problem for some, but it is still remarkable how quickly any mention of the actual effective policy on carbon introduced in 2010. Is almost immediately followed by laborite lamentations about even older history that seems like pulling the scab of an old prurient ulcer.
Prior to covid19 it seems, the only time in modern Australian history that carbon pollution has significantly gone down was under the ALP/Greens/Indy policy bought in during Gillard govt.
I note the feverish partisans are in the tedious it’s ‘teh Greens’ rut
Of all the idiotic crap and political corruptions, pandering to vested interests, branch stacking and intra-party knifing and subterfuge. I find it hard to take seriously any claim about some imaginary ethical line being crossed by the Greens, that would not have been smashed by the ALP or LNP decades ago and multiple times since. To the point we are at today where govt feels they can just smash through any rorts and corruption with no regard, as Albo said he’s never seen any corruption in parliament, so it must be true for the true believers. The parliamentary cancel culture making sure bills for a federal ICAC and climate change action ‘no longer be heard’.
The sooner neither major party can take for granted governing on their own the better.
The Greens seem to be on the money for policy recently, with AEMO backing a fast renewable energy transition policy and the even the drought and fire affected farmers are on board with a policy of fossil fuel company levy to help pay for recovery and mitigation of climate change on the land.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2020/07/31/bushfire-levy-fossil-fuel/
Have the ALP or the LNP said anything in response to the fast transition plan or the Emergency Leaders for Climate Action (ELCA) bushfire recovery reports? Or they’re both both hiding under the doona, as their brains will be hurting if they have to think and talk about too many ideas and issues at once?
The Otis group certainly seem to have been keeping busy with energy policy at least within the ALP.
The 2020-2021 bushfire season has been called already from 1st of Aug in parts of N NSW, so no pressure to say or do anything from the LNP or ALP then.
Tricot
Nothing sick in wanting ministers to be held to account and i wouldn’t be grinning whilst refusing to answer questions if i was Mikakos.
Swan ( not ours) keep his cool while interviewing an A grade idiot. You really have to admire Swan for not stating the bleeding obvious.
https://twitter.com/axios/status/1290497186489348096
frednk @ #1725 Tuesday, August 4th, 2020 – 3:50 pm
But he is “ours” isn’t he Frednk? Son of Norman, right?
Bucephalus, I think Quoll has stepped up to the plate for you. The Green/Liberal wedge always pays off doesn’t it?
What State is she in?
Apart from a state of embarrassment.
Spray
Son of Norman, I didn’t know that.
I didn’t realise this.
frednk @ #1827 Tuesday, August 4th, 2020 – 3:54 pm
I nearly did the same. Bucephalus has actually been quite on point in terms of calling out some of the more delusional nonsense blaming the Greens for all of Labor’s woes.
But then I didn’t because…yeah, plays right into the hands of the conspiracy theorists, doesn’t it? 😉
Taylormade says:
Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 3:50 pm
Tricot
Nothing sick in wanting ministers to be held to account and i wouldn’t be grinning whilst refusing to answer questions if i was Mikakos.
Give her some slack, taking the Victorian opposition seriously would be a very difficult task.
frednk @ #1729 Tuesday, August 4th, 2020 – 3:56 pm
What a coup. The interview is getting rave reviews in the US, think young Jonathan just quadrupled his value. Seems they can’t believe that an interviewer actually called him out on his crap.
a r says:
Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 3:59 pm
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But then I didn’t because…yeah, plays right into the hands of the conspiracy theorists, doesn’t it?
Perhaps a little reflection on why.
The Green side of the wedge, stupidity or deliberate, that is a hard one.
I’m told that if every member of the Victorian Opposition held hands, they would nearly stretch around a lamp post.
Frednk
Especially the yapping DimTim.
They are totally useless.
frednk @ #1709 Tuesday, August 4th, 2020 – 3:34 pm
Oh well, at least 80% or so of their vote would still end up with Labor.
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Heaven forbid that it had anything to do with Labor 🙂
Spray, I hope he got out of the country.
Victoria @ #1731 Tuesday, August 4th, 2020 – 4:04 pm
This time the yapping Bernie Finn.
Who is Bernie Finn you ask …?
He’s the upper house far right mp who marches with the likes of the ‘Proud Boys’.
Taylormade……from your comments I would not put you in the witch hunt category, but harping one-side critic certainly…………………….You are not alone here of course………
Arguing about Labors Carbon Price and whether Gillard should have done a deal with the Greens 10 years ago is a bit like arguing about if you should have spent more on maintaining your brakes as your car hurtles off a cliff.
Unfortunately this year we’ve seen a minor distraction in Covid-19. Comparatively speaking the economic cost of Covid-19 will be NOTHING compared what what Climate Change will do and it’s just around the corner.
How many would it take to change the bulb?
The Greens are not responsible for Labor’s less than brilliant election campaign last year. They’re not responsible for Coalition and Media lies, not are they responsible for the lack of any anticipation and planning on the part of Labor to deal with these.
Seems there is a breakthrough on a Covid Cure.
Nothing sucks seeds like a toothless Parrot.
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