Three entirely unrelated bits of information that don’t involve the Eden-Monaro by-election, for which another dedicated post is assuredly not far away (the most recent, and its attendant discussion thread, is here):
• This week’s Essential Research poll looks at indigenous issues and gender equality, finding broadly liberal viewpoints prevailing in each case. On the former count, most agreed that indigenous Australians and Pacific islanders had been “forced to work in Australia in conditions that amounted to slavery”, but 42% agreed that “many of the new cases of Covid-19 in Victoria have been from people who attended the Black Lives Matter protest” compared with 37% who believed it to be false. On gender equality, majorities somehow managed to agree both that there was “still a long way to go” and that it had “already been mostly achieved”, though a lot more emphatically in the former case. Respondents were also asked who got paid too much (bankers and lawyers) and too little (nurses and teachers).
• Tom Richardson of InDaily reports on an imminent package of electoral reform in South Australia, which may include the introduction of optional preferential voting. Labor leader Peter Malinauskas has accused Premier Steven Marshall of a move to “rig the next election”, and invoked the bogey of “the polarisation of our democracy in the way we have seen in the United States”. Malinauskas’s real concern is more likely to do with Greens preferences, the system having raised no such concerns for the Labor governments that introduced them in New South Wales and Queensland, back when its main impact was to weaken intra-Coalition preference flows in three-cornerned contests. The Greens have also declared their opposition, which would leave its upper house fate in the hands of the three survivors of the Nick Xenophon disturbance. The government’s reforms may also include crackdowns on corflutes (which seem to be particularly popular in South Australia) and dissemination of how-to-vote cards at polling booths.
• Justin Hendry of IT News reports the Australian Electoral Commission is looking into a full rollout of the electronic certified list system for marking off voters, which operated at around 10% of polling places at last year’s election. This replaces the more familiar method of paper lists marked off by pencil, which offer no guarantee the prospective voter has not already voted somewhere else beyond the requisite verbal assurance. As such, it can genuinely help prevent multiple voting, unlike a lot of other supposed electoral reforms that are invoked in its name. However, it may also constitute a point of vulnerability to nefarious actors.
‘Scout says:
Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 8:16 pm
Some defensive blokes on Poll Bludger this evening’
Bandt @ 5.6%?
boerwar says:
Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 8:22 pm
‘Scout says:
Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 8:16 pm
Some defensive blokes on Poll Bludger this evening’
Bandt @ 5.6%?
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boerwar 100% loco ?
I’m always defensive. It was the way I was brung up. lol
boerwar – wow two in one, didn’t take long. Who would of thought the defensive blokes get a tad defensive!
For your reference I ain’t a Green long time Labor man just can’t handle blokes who get so defensive on ‘men’s rights’ that it gets beyond parody.
Chill boerwar and gg never has a bit fishing been as succesful in a short amount of time with you two.
Sam Ghali, M.D.
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Jul 6
Hi, ER Doc here.
If you think wearing a piece of cloth makes it “hard to breathe”, then trust me you do NOT want COVID-19.
scout
Nice try at flipping the frame!
They were being offensive in a nasty way.
Quasar
Nice one!
Scout @ #3600 Tuesday, July 7th, 2020 – 8:22 pm
and, you mine!
Socrates:
[‘But the details of the quarantine management, especially the use of private security with minimal police presence and oversight, were poorly handled.’]
That’s the essence of it, Wilson Security should’ve been not the go-to in the C-19 period, the revelations that some of them engaged in carnal relations, most unprofessional if they’re true – a big mistake, the buck stops with Andrews, as Truman put it.
What point and what are you two (are you a couple??) flipping??
Anyone noticed complete absence of posts from females since this latest round of stupidity started?
Prof. Peter Doherty
@ProfPCDoherty
Being a research scientist, I’ve lived all my career with the sure and certain knowledge that Murphy’s law: ‘anything that can go wrong will go wrong’..rules. With COVID-19, it only takes 1 or 2 people that don’t get the basic message to trigger a recurrence
Offensive in a nasty way, how are you offended?
Good point. EGT.
Very good point EGT
Well said
Victoria:
I think it’s worse than that.
If the “super spreader” thesis is correct, it doesn’t matter what most people do, only what the “super spreaders” do …
So everyone must behave, to create the environment where that (1%?) super spreaders do the right thing!
‘Scout says:
Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 8:39 pm
Offensive in a nasty way, how are you offended?’
Are we talking about the same thing? I detailed that in my original post.
It was a lightbulb moment.
What a time for another whistle blower to come forward confirming how staff at the taxpayer funded Migrant Workers Centre were ordered to campaign for Labor in the lead up to 2018 election.
They were the ones prancing around dressed up as lobsters instead of working and helping thier clients.
Two things for the people of Victoria, firstly none of the Dan haters have suggested a single thing he should have done, that was a contemporaneous idea in Australia that he rejected.
Secondly, and I don’t expect a statue at the MCG for a couple of weeks, but as a service to Victorians I resisted the temptation to photograph and put on twitter and insta about 7 pubs with patrons drinking beer together between my place of work and the train.
E. G. Theodore:
Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 8:38 pm
[‘Anyone noticed complete absence of posts from females since this latest round of stupidity started?’]
Women in my experience don’t like aggression; that’s why I think they mainly post in morning, during the day.
Taylormade
Now if it was true, why would they want to dress up as Lobsters, please remind us. You really don’t think you little smear campaigns through do you.
EG Theodore
And the fact that even health professionals who practice excellent hygiene and PPE, are still getting the virus.
So expecting virtually every single person to be able to keep it at bay, is unrealistic.
Until virus decides to disappear as quickly as it showed up, or effective treatment and or vaccine is developed, we need to respect the situation we find ourselves in.
Childish churlish reactions by people, politicians and the MSM, is frickin useless.
Went to the supermarket tonight, they were making sure the toilet paper thing didn’t happen again.They had stacks of it everywhere, as if to say, hay suckers try and buy us out this time.
Frednk, I thought the same thing, own goal.
I finally saw the Victorian LOTO on an ABC News tape today.
Andrew’s has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to worry about.
BB
You should check out the wanna be replacement of Michael OBrien. His name is Tim Smith.
Even worse.
Victoria:’And the fact that even health professionals who practice excellent hygiene and PPE, are still getting the virus.’
Obviously didn’t practice excellent hygiene then.
I was talking to people who had recently been to a hospital and witnessed very poor hygiene. One example, a nurse entered the COVID ward and did the right thing by putting on all the PPE. On leaving the ward, she continued walking through the hospital with the PPE on. The mentality was the PPE was to protect her, she didn’t realise that the PPE was contaminated and should have been discarded once she left the ward.
Whispers – The Lincoln Project:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk6d4TgO2NY
BB:’Andrew’s has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to worry about.’
I agree. M O’B is only in parliment as he represents a blue ribbon area. His sneering whine shows a nasty streak.
The Lincoln Project now playing with Dotard…
https://mobile.twitter.com/projectlincoln/status/1280457599884935168?s=12
This has to be the first time ever, beaten by slow hand Zodilord. I dips my lid to you, Comrade!
Respecting dignity during public housing lockdown
https://www.eurekastreet.com.au/article/respecting-dignity-during-public-housing-lockdown
“The mode of working in this operation is an emergency management one — it follows a public health directive and is being rolled out of the State Control Centre. The markers of this approach is apparent, especially in the use of law enforcement agencies — at the beginning of the lockdown 500 law enforcement personnel were put on per shift. This was a ratio of one law enforcement officer to six residents at the towers, all numbers being accurate. This approach has apparently shifted in response to the distress and anxiety this caused to residents, but there is still a very visible police presence. Australian Services Union, whose members come from the social services sector amongst others, have ‘condemned the law and order response put in place at the North Melbourne and Flemington high rises, versus a health and social services response’ and have asked for numerous changes covering short and long term responses to the situation.”
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Statement on Public Housing lockdown / ASU
Community sector workers hold a wealth of expertise supporting and working with those most vulnerable in our communities. They are social and community workers with expertise in mental health, family violence, alcohol and other drug, aged care, migrant and refugee, children’s support and more.
This meeting of ASU members condemns the law and order response put in place at the North Melbourne and Flemington high rises, versus a health and social services response. The experience of community sector workers is that a police presence hinders rather than helps effective community work
responses, creating fear, distrust and a barrier to seeking support and services. A hard job is made even harder for ASU members doing their job when clients don’t trust police. They are less likely to engage and it should be professional and skilled community workers, in conjunction with nurses and infection control workers who are already working in these communities that continue to do so.
This meeting of ASU members demands:
1. No to racism, and yes to a culturally sensitive healthcare response, not a policing response
2. Free hand sanitizer, PPE and supplies to all public housing with communal facilities and amenities
3. Police off the estates – lockdowns are a health issue not a criminal issue
4. Support for residents to be in stage four lockdown instead of a hard lockdown
5. Mass testing with test results returned in 24 hrs
6. Job guarantees and paid Covid-19 leave for all residents
7. Extend the rent-freeze for public housing residents
8. State government guarantee to improve and expand current public housing stock
9. Improved maintenance of amenities and facilities (ie lifts, laundry facilities etc)
10. Improved cleanliness of shared facilities and amenities at the flats including ongoing deep cleaning in line with sanitising to prevent spread of virus. (ie laundry, lift, rubbish chutes, stairwells)
11. Improved consultation to occur with the ASU, community leaders and professionals – before change happens
12. Accessible messages through: community languages, age appropriate for children, translators, wifi, mobiles etc
13. The right person providing the right services (not volunteers, professional staff to be trained and briefed)
14. Condemnation of the punitive response of putting hundreds of police in the flats with no warning. ASU members report this to be extremely re-traumatising and inappropriate considering some instances of proven police violence with the communities living there.
15. Urgent provision of supplies for alcohol and other drug withdrawal, and provision of pharmacotherapy supports
16. Appropriate family violence perpetrator intervention – integrated with risk assessments by Family Violence professionals.
17. Solidarity and support with residents current demands, and acknowledge the extremely negative impact of policing – who are often perpetrators of violence.
If on meals on wheels, personally recommended is corned-beef with mustard sauce, failing which is jelly-fish, garnished with onion and served with lobster sauce – but definitely not chicken & mushroom.
Re Taylor made @8:46PM.
”They were the ones prancing around dressed up as lobsters instead of working and helping thier clients.“
I have no idea what that’s about but it pales in comparison with a Government that treats taxpayer money And Government programs like its re-election slush fund. Remember hundreds of millions in spurious ‘public information’ advertising in the months leading to the election. Tim Wilson’s campaigning to publicly funded superannuants, disguised as an ‘enquiry’. Sports rorts. The list goes on…
Received this email just now, feeling sorry for out Victorian brethren – there is always the TV..
“A strictly-limited number of SCG Members will be able to attend the Geelong Cats v Brisbane Lions clash at the SCG on Thursday, July 9.
NOTE: Access to this SCG event is limited due to COVID-19 capacity restrictions. SCG Members will have access to the event on a ‘first in, first served’ basis, until the allocation is exhausted.
Use the password SCGMEMBERS when prompted to redeem your tickets – you will be able to redeem up to two (2) tickets per transaction.
You will be allocated the next best available ticket(s) within the Noble Bradman Stand for this event. You will not be able to select your bay or seat during this time whilst we work to ensure physical distancing within the venue.
Your tickets will be sent to you via the delivery method selected 24 hours prior to the event. You must sit in the assigned section and row listed on your ticket(s) but you may choose any seat in your row.
You may sit with family and friends but please keep two seats between anyone outside of your ticket group. Every second row will be left empty and we have significantly reduced the venue’s capacity to assist with physical distancing.
Current recommendations are that Victorian residents are not permitted to attend events at the SCG. If you are from Victoria, you may be denied entry to the venue.”
Federal Labor MPs question state government’s public housing lockdown
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/federal-labor-mps-question-state-government-s-public-housing-lockdown-20200707-p559wv.html
“Federal Labor MPs have warned a five-day lock-down of public housing towers in Melbourne’s inner northern suburbs will further entrench disadvantage and exclusion within its communities.
Peter Khalil, the member for Wills, and former Labor leader Bill Shorten both expressed concern over the welfare of almost 3000 residents in nine public housing towers in Flemington and North Melbourne.
Mr Shorten, whose seat of Maribyrnong includes four of the towers, said the Andrews government needed to “do a better job” communicating with residents.
“These are not prisoners. They haven’t broken any laws,” Mr Shorten said on Tuesday.
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Mr Khalil, who grew up in social housing in the 1970s, said it was “upsetting” and “concerning” that some of the most socio-economically disadvantaged and vulnerable people in Melbourne were facing harsher restrictions than all other residents.
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He said local, state and federal governments needed to use the moment to make “real and lasting investment” and reform to the public housing system.
“I understand the need for a health response from the Victorian state government, given the risks of high density housing. However, I also understand the anger and fear being expressed by residents,” he said.
“This lockdown also raises the question about what, if anything, are state and local governments doing to prevent a similar situation across other Victorian public housing estates?
nath @ #3516 Tuesday, July 7th, 2020 – 7:01 pm
And if you or Pegasus were capable of being honest, instead of taking your cues from Stuart Robert, you would have referenced Bill Shorten’s explanation that every case of welfare overpayment under his watch and that of the federal Labor government was handed to a human case officer for review before any debt notice was sent out.
But that’s not how you and your Liberal bedfellows roll. The Greenite way is to condense your response into pithy one-liners, or carefully edited text, that serves the purpose of misleading the casual observer who doesn’t know any better and who you hope is reading this blog.
It’s disgraceful behaviour, but as I said yesterday, you two are shameless and you’ll just keep trolling Labor like the sewer dwellers you are. As you and your partners in slime the Liberals are in Victoria wrt the tower lockdowns and the outbreak of Coronavirus there.
Thankfully, no one takes you seriously.
I saw the front page of the Daily Telecrap today while shopping: “Mexicans shut out”. “Mexicans” (from South of the border) is a term occasionally used here (NSW) and points North to refer for Victorians, but I think it’s uncommon now. I thought that this headline was in very poor taste. OK for a State of Origin match maybe, but hardly appropriate for what’s happening now. Totally unacceptable.
No link. Don’t want to encourage the bastards.
“This lockdown also raises the question about what, if anything, are state and local governments doing to prevent a similar situation across other Victorian public housing estates?
With all due respect, Mr Khalil needs to turn his brain on. At today’s Dan Andrews press conference this exact same question was asked and answered. The answer was as follows: testing of medium density Public Housing has begun.
WeWantPaul
That doesn’t surprise me in the slightest. I went past my local cafe on the weekend and it was full of people standing around waiting for their order when they should have been outside.
Steve777
Its okay we Mexicans understand and gladly agree to pay for a wall to be built if Morrison Dutton and Roberts promise to stay north of it.
Pegasus:
Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 9:30 pm
[‘Mr Shorten, whose seat of Maribyrnong includes four of the towers, said the Andrews government needed to “do a better job” communicating with residents.’]
Are you insinuating there’s a dichotomy betwixt Federal & State Labor? If so, good on Bill – the workers’ friend.
Cat
Last night you couldn’t even be honest about a simple fact why and when Kristy McBain gave up her ALP membership.
I certainly take everything you claim with a grain of salt.
Unlike you I am not so arrogant and condescending to assume “no one takes you seriously”.
C@tmomma
says:
Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 9:31 pm
nath @ #3516 Tuesday, July 7th, 2020 – 7:01 pm
Thanks Pegasus. I suspected that Shorten had a hand in robodebt. That seems to be the case now.
And if you or Pegasus were capable of being honest, instead of taking your cues from Stuart Robert, you would have referenced Bill Shorten’s explanation that every case of welfare overpayment under his watch and that of the federal Labor government was handed to a human case officer for review before any debt notice was sent out.
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What Roberts said was:
that governments have calculated debts “partially or solely” based on income averaging for 20 to 30 years and done so “on some mass” since 2007, including an estimated 16.6% of debts in 2009 and 24.4% in 2011.
So if this is true there was no human finetuning of these debts then. I suspect some hypocrisy from Shorten on this because he has shown similar behaviour in the past. Despite handing out 457 visas very freely in government he suddenly became a spokesman against them in opposition. The same thing with Labor Hire companies. Some of his deals as AWU head involved Labor Hire companies. Indeed, one Labor Hire company donated 40k to his campaign. Which Shorten did not acknowledge for over 7 years. Then suddenly he rails against Labor Hire companies.
GG
“Where’s Diogenes when you need him!”
Trying to sort out the AFL fixtures!
While out and about I’ve also noticed how things have relaxed. It’s been nice to be back to something like the old normal for a few weeks, but there’s a good chance there’ll be more outbreaks.
Nobody thinks that if the government makes an overpayment and it’s not a result of a deliberate act of fraud by the recipient then it should just be allowed to stand?
Might encourage the government to make fewer mistakes in the first place. 🙂
“testing of medium density Public Housing has begun.”
Correct answer. All the best performing jurisdictions in terms of responding to Covid19 have focused on testing and tracing. The testing should not stop even when you get to zero, because any external idiot or returning local can reintroduce the disease.
Last night you couldn’t even be honest about a simple fact why and when Kristy McBain gave up her ALP membership.
Is that right?
Look Pegasus, you can run whatever smear you want but the fact of the matter is this:
The south coast lawyer was a member of Young Labor in university and has rejoined the party in order to run.
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6742131/eden-monaro-feels-forgotten-bega-mayor-seeks-labor-preselection-for-byelection/
The other fact is that Councillor and Mayor McBain wanted to be seen as a Councillor with no political party allegiance. It happens a lot in Local Government in NSW. Not something you can find in a search of the internet, obviously, so I’m not surprised you didn’t know it.