Courtesy of The Guardian, some headline results of another weekly Essential Research poll on coronavirus, the full report of which should be published later today. This includes regular questions on federal and state governments’ handling with the crisis, of which we are only told that respondents remain highly positive, and on easing restrictions, for which we are told only 25% now consider it too soon, which is down two on last time and has been consistently declining over five surveys.
Beyond that, the survey gauged response to a number of what might be described as conspiracy theories concerning the virus. By far the most popular was the notion that the virus “was engineered and released from a Chinese laboratory in Wuhan”, which has received a certain amount of encouragement from the Daily Telegraph but is starkly at odds with the scientific consensus. Agreement and disagreement with this proposition was tied on 39%.
Thirteen per cent subscribed to a theory that Bill Gates was involved in the creation and spread of the virus, with 71% disagreeing; 13% agreed the virus was not dangerous and was being used to force people to get vaccines, with 79% disagreeing; 12% thought the 5G network was being used to spread the virus, with 75% disagreeing; and 20% agreed the number of deaths was being exaggerated, with “more than 70%” disagreeing. The poll also found 77% agreed that the outbreak in China was worse than the official statistics showed.
The poll was conducted Thursday to Sunday from a sample of 1073.
UPDATE: Full report here.
Cud Chewer
You just need to persuade them to finally sign up to the Commonwealth. They left a space on the original documents for NZ. Good luck 🙂
Assantdj
Did you catch my response yesterday?
Cud Chewer @ #3095 Saturday, May 23rd, 2020 – 4:25 pm
We could offer them a cool $60 billion we just found down the back of the sofa. If that’s not enough, perhaps we could offer Scotty and Gladys in part exchange?
Assantdj @ #3093 Saturday, May 23rd, 2020 – 4:29 pm
I don’t consider keeping any particular business (or type/class of businesses) operating to be a valid political decision-making concern.
The government’s there to provide defense, essential infrastructure and services, and direct public money to where it provides the most public good. They’re there for the good of the people, not the good of the people’s profit-making entities.
If keeping travel local makes sense from a public health standpoint, fair enough. Whether or not doing so benefits small/local domestic businesses shouldn’t factor, imo. At least not insofar as the government’s role in that decision is concerned.
Not the politicians’ (or the public health officials’) concern.
Cud Chewer
We could always voluntarily surrender to NZ and Jaz could rule all of it?
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Actually if NZ joined, Canberra would be roughly equidistant between Perth and Wellington wouldn’t it? But they would not be that stupid.
steve and PhoenixRed: The driver who smashed into Hijab House is named Sabry Moustafa Nassar: all three of those names are typically given to Muslims. It can be the case that Arab Christians might be called Nassar, but probably not Moustafa, which is one of the many names of Mohammed.
No I’m not Adam Creighton and yes I have an 83 year old mother who has stayed at home (normally goes out for medical appointments only).
The thing is if we have a second wave, we won’t being doing another lockdown, the economy won’t be able to take/absorb it.
We have thrown a whole stack of people on the scrap heap who won’t get a job once we come out of this. What about their mental health issues?
It is time to get things going again.
I wonder – how many of you have downloaded the app?
kirky: “I wonder – how many of you have downloaded the app?”
Not many on PB, because it has nasty Liberal germs all over it. If Jacinda was offering the app, they’d all snap it up.
Because the only way most posters on here can think about coronavirus, just like any other subject, is in terms of tedious partisan party politics.
Talking about the political aspect of coronavirus: gee the Victorians are doing well, aren’t they? Thank goodness for Daniel Andrews!
Re Meher Baba @4:40. I saw that in the later article linked by Phoenix. Yes, the driver has a Muslim name. The charges being brought are for driving offences. We’ll hear more about it in due course.
Kirky
“The thing is if we have a second wave, we won’t being doing another lockdown, the economy won’t be able to take/absorb it.”
This flies in the face of reality. Two weeks before our state governments took action, people were already voting with their feet. They were staying home. Food courts emptied. Public transport figures collapsed. If we head toward a second wave, there will be a lockdown again, regardless of how slow our politicians act.
“We have thrown a whole stack of people on the scrap heap who won’t get a job once we come out of this. What about their mental health issues?”
You don’t want that to happen? Then pray as hard as you can we don’t have a second wave. Even better still, pray that we eliminate the virus. Because if we don’t then the measures needed to prevent a second wave will also keep us in recession.
I was also hoping at this stage that you would kindly concede that our international borders are going to involve quarantine until such time as there is an effective vaccine. And therefore it makes no difference whether we eliminate the virus or merely suppress it.
Well I not surprised – not wanting to download the app, keep the lockdown going so they can see their grandchildren’s futures destroyed.
Whilst I generally centre left in my political views, on this one I’m starting to come round to the view of natural selection.
One of the reasons we don’t have the no of cases as overseas is due to our population density – a massive factor.
Just for you Kirky…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNto4_H_6C0
Elimination has its rewards.
Barney in Tanjung Bunga @ #3012 Saturday, May 23rd, 2020 – 1:13 pm
C@tmomma @ #3018 Saturday, May 23rd, 2020 – 1:26 pm
I am a little suspicious that Dutton is stirring up RE-OPEN THE BORDERS NOW! to sabotage QLD’s lock down efforts and pin the blame on the Palaszczuk Labor government during the state election later this year.
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Kirky @ #3020 Saturday, May 23rd, 2020 – 1:28 pm
Haven’t heard anybody arguing for that, only for elimination.
The real loons in this debate are the ones who think they can bargain with a microbe.
Which is why we have to get it right with the first lock down.
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Cud Chewer @ #3033 Saturday, May 23rd, 2020 – 2:16 pm
After the NT was declared officially virus-free a couple of days ago, I went on my first serious outing in weeks to a shopping centre yesterday arvo. There was a moderate level of customers, neither sparse nor crowded, and while social distancing and hand sanitisers and general caution are still very much in play, the relieved and relaxed vibe was clearly there too.
I commend it to rest of Oz. Don’t settle for less from your pollies. 🙂
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MickMack pisses in his own boot again.
Apologies for my bad-tempered post a few minutes ago. Well, I’ve gotten that out of my system for now.
But I do have a point: I think what’s happened in Victoria indicates how ill-advised it is for people to try to make political capital from any development with the virus.
The same applies to Gladys and the other Liberals currently having a go at Annastacia.
It’s stupid politics because – outside of obvious things like compulsory quarantine for international arrivals – nobody knows for sure which control measures are the most effective and what the risks are of easing back on them.
I don’t think governments have any choice but to gradually lift the controls. But I sympathise with those who want to do this slowly and carefully.
Kirky, where are these mental health issues you mention? And how would they compare to the mental health issues of people would would lose a loved one if we opened up? Or the mental health issues of people have long lasting effects of contracting COVID? Or the mental health issues of people worried they might catch it if we opened up?
Funny that Pew Research is polling US evangelicals
“One of the reasons we don’t have the no of cases as overseas is due to our population density – a massive factor.”
This is your way of pretending a second wave can’t happen here? Australia is one of the most heavily urbanised countries in the world – more so than the US even.
I can guarantee you that a second wave in Australia will start on public transport. Unless of course we make public transport “covid safe”. Which then means we live with permanently hobbled CBDs. You make a lot of noise about the terrilbe effects of an economic downturn yet you can’t see that the price of suppression is recession.
“Kirky, where are these mental health issues you mention? And how would they compare to the mental health issues of people would would lose a loved one if we opened up? Or the mental health issues of people have long lasting effects of contracting COVID? Or the mental health issues of people worried they might catch it if we opened up?”
PeeBee Not to mention the mental distress of remaining permanently isolated because the virus hasn’t been eliminated – which I can tell you is very real.
The much lauded – by Morrison and his cheer squad – National Cabinet has apparently either not discussed State border closures, nor any timetable to lift them in a coordinated manner.
I’m sure the CPG will grill Morrison about this at his Headland Speech at the Press Club on Tuesday.
sprocket
The National Cabinet was mostly about having announceables.
Why would anyone download an app promoted by Stuart Robert that doesn’t work ??
All those countries in Europe, apart from Sweden, i think, are trying to suppress the virus.
They have massive death rates. Their problem is they locked down too late. Eliminating the virus, if possible, is not throwing young people on the scrap heap. If successful, it will give them greater economic security.
Well-informed Australians will be noting that about 76% of the 500-odd active Covid cases are in NSW, with about 19% in Victoria and the other 5% (just 27 cases) scattered across three of the remaining states. By world standards even NSW is doing well. However, I can see why Qld and other States are in no hurry to open their borders, especially to NSW.
https://www.covid19data.com.au/
We have eliminated in SA and still have lockdown. Just ridiculous situation.
You know what you do for pubs, gym etc? If you don’t have the app, no entry. End of story.
Meanwhile in plague free SA:
With eased coronavirus restriction allowing for more diners in South Australian restaurants, cafes and pubs, larger businesses will soon have more clarity around the number of customers they can accommodate.
With the state’s second stage beginning on June 5, Premier Steven Marshall said the “more flexible” guidelines will be released on Monday.
One for you ShellBell if you’re around…
JM
“After the NT was declared officially virus-free a couple of days ago, I went on my first serious outing in weeks to a shopping centre yesterday arvo. There was a moderate level of customers, neither sparse nor crowded, and while social distancing and hand sanitisers and general caution are still very much in play, the relieved and relaxed vibe was clearly there too.”
I envy you. And its not like my NZ friends aren’t rubbing it in either.
I went to Nobby’s Beach the other day for a walk. I cannot drive so my mum had to drive me there and wait in the car. First time in 2 months I’ve actually enjoyed a bit of freedom.
And when I was walking along Bathers Way I thought to myself “is that person from Sydney?”. I know its a very small risk but its a risk my mum won’t allow me to take – for her sake. So unless Sydney continues to progress toward elimination I’m going to be isolated for many months to come.
I wonder if the likes of Kirky realise how much distress this causes?
“We have eliminated in SA”
No, Kirky, we haven’t. We are close.
Rakali
Did you see that video I posted of Vietnam?
Has Labor chucked it in yet?
Or are they hanging around still pretending to be the opposition?
Mundo is curious that’s all….been busy all afternoon.
Kirky
Something else you need to get straight.
Everyone having the app does not mean the virus can be contained. That’s false security.
Everyone being tested, yes. And I would happily have right of entry upon proof of testing. Its not like getting tested is a big deal.
Regarding our population density, let’s do a back of the envelope calculation.
The Sydney and Melbourne Metro areas are about 10,000 km each (which includes some National Parks). The combined area of all of Australia’s capital metro areas might be double this, say 40,000 sq km. Let’s say 70,000 sq km to include the larger non-capital metro areas like the Gold Coast and Newcastle.
Australia’s land area is about 7,000,000 sq km. Of our 25.7 million people, 85% (those classified as living in urban areas) live on 1% of the land area. Admittedly the 1% is in smaller chunks scattered over the whole, but even so our wide open spaces can’t save us
sprocket_ @ #3120 Saturday, May 23rd, 2020 – 5:08 pm
If Mundo was down at Labor HQ in NSW he’d be seeing to it that a parody DT was published on social media every time one of these came out.
I’d have one of Joshy pulling numbers from a hat like a magician for this one.
Anticipate. Go hard. Go early. The Amazing Josho and his Vanishing Billions…
We haven’t had a case since 22nd April, we have eliminated.
The app is sufficient and everyone is not going to get tested. Get real.
lizzie @ #3125 Saturday, May 23rd, 2020 – 5:13 pm
This is good.
Time to circulate.
Get it out there folks, Labor won’t do it, they’re too busy being ‘professional’, measured, calm, strategic…..ooooh….
Steve777
The population density we need to worry about is the 40,000 people per hectare density found on a packed train.
Kirky:’We have eliminated in SA and still have lockdown.’
You don’t know that.
The longer you don’t get detect cases the more chance you have elimination. But you are not sure until testing is fairly comprehensive.
poroti @ #3090 Saturday, May 23rd, 2020 – 2:20 pm
I’m well entrenched at home, knowing that I’m a long way from where ever there is. 🙂
Cud,
So what is the timeline/length for when it is eliminated. Give me a number?
Sorry but testing everyone is not acceptable.
Suffer the little children (even if they’re 20 and 6’2″):
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/21/opinion/mis-c-coronavirus-children.html
The last case in SA that I’m aware of was May 7 – that’s 16 days ago.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-07/sa-ends-coronavirus-free-streak-with-new-case/12225130
I’m perfectly happy with the current easings there, but I don’t think its time to party.
mundo
This is how the media is reporting Chalmers.
Apparently Dominic Cummings, he’s the one behind the crazy Bozo – pulling the strings – is in a touch of strife by flaunting the lockdown rules.
That case was someone who returned 20th March from overseas. It isn’t effectively counted – he was shedding and not infectious.
The last known case was 22nd April.
“So what is the timeline/length for when it is eliminated. Give me a number?”
According to the WHO its 28 days. Now if you’re asking me when I’d personally feel safe wandering Sydney and getting friendly with the locals there. About 6 or 7 weeks of zero community transmissions.
Mundo would have Labor emulating Bozo Boris – lots of publicity, loss of credibility
“That case was someone who returned 20th March from overseas. It isn’t effectively counted”
That person wasn’t quarantined and had had contacts.
As I said, SA is very close. But technically, no.
And I take it that you’re in favour of maintaining quarantine between SA and NSW.
The person in question did originally go into quarantine and had only 5 contacts as he was a new immigrant.
SA hasn’t had a community transmission since late March.