The Essential Research poll series continues to chug along on its fortnightly schedule without offering anything on voting intention, with this week’s survey mainly relating to bushfires and climate change. Support for the proposition that Australia is not doing enough to address climate change have reached a new high of 60%, up nine since March, with “doing enough” down five to 22% and “doing too much” down three to 8%.
However, perceptions of climate change itself are little changed, with 61% attributing it to human activity (down one) and 28% opting for “a normal fluctuation in the earth’s climate”. On the debate as to whether it was appropriate to raise links between climate change and bushfires, opinion was evenly divided – out of those who considered such a link likely, 43% felt raising the matter appropriate compared with 17% for inappropriate, while another 30% rated the link as unlikely.
A further question related to the issue of medical evacuations for asylum seekers, and here the situation is murkier due to the need to provide respondents with some sort of explanation of what the issue is about. As the Essential survey put it, the relevant legislation allows “doctors, not politicians, more say in determining the appropriate medical
treatment offered to people in offshore detention”. Put like that, 62% were opposed to the government’s move to repeal it, including 25% who believed the legislation didn’t go far enough. That left only 22% in favour of the pro-government proposition that “legislation will weaken our borders and result in boats arriving”.
The poll was conducted Thursday to Sunday from a sample of 1083.
Quiggan
‘We now have a choice between two exciting climate policies
LNP: Don’t believe your lying eyes, let alone lying scientists. It isn’t happening
ALP: It’s happening, and we’re not going to do anything unpopular to stop it. Get used to it.’
Quiggin is not telling the truth here. One wonders why. There is a third exciting climate policy: Zero/2030. This was soooooooo exciting that 90% of the electorate knocked it back.
Greens: It’s happening and we’ve spent 30 years of doing pure Zero/2030, wedging Labor and Killing Bill. It worked. We have fucked over some serious attempts by Labor to initiate a carbon tax. That worked as well. But we can still only get 10% of the electorate to support Zero/2030. Get used to it.
The main reason why this nation has not had any meaningful action on Greenhouse emissions, is namely that a lot of our politicians (LNP, Labor and even smaller parties such as One Nation) are in the pockets of the fossil fuels industry. Not to mention some LNP and One Nation politicians are denial about Global Heating as well, which is promoted by sections of our media, including News Corporation and Macquarie Media.
The Greens are the only party in Federal Politics, whose politicians aren’t in the pockets of the fossil fuels industry. Therefore; I defend their views on Global Heating and the need for radical action to combat it. Because they are seriously listening to the opinions of the climate scientists.
Unions are not the lapdogs of the ALP and it is very dangerous for the labor party to assume that is the case. Unions are not automatic ATM’s for the labor party and it is is dangerous for the ALP to assume that is the case.
Unions represent their members and in most cases the labor party is the party that will best progress the interests of union members and all workers. If unions believe the labor party is not acting in the best interests of their members then they should look elsewhere. That is their job.
Blasting and bagging unions simply because they do not always agree with labor is rubbish.
I have voted labor my whole voting life except once because I believe overall labor offers the best policies for workers and unionists.
However, if it came down one day to a choice between labor and the labour movement then no contest. Labour movement first. Hopefully, that will not happen but if it did then I would have no issue following the lead of labour leaders and unions and vote in the best interests of workers.
Labor had one of its better QT’s today.
doyley,
I get it already about the union-busting Bill. I mean, have you had direct line-of sight blood relatives who have been Secretaries of a union or a union organiser? I have. And, as a professional, a Pharmacist, I still joined a union when I worked in the hospital system. I also door-knocked for the ‘Your Rights at Work’ campaign for the unions, this year and last. I also believe that a union movement is an integral part of a fair and decent society. So I will support unions until my dying breath.
You know what I also know? Scott Morrison got the numbers to get the ‘Ensuring Integrity Bill’ passed in the Senate. And John Setka was the catalyst for that. He allowed Scott Morrison to make his case and the jury, the electorate, voted for Scott Morrison in the federal election and haven’t put up much resistance, since.
So you can rant and rave, and sing, ‘Solidarity Forever’ until the cows come home, but it’s a fact that John Setka did the union movement no favours with his public behaviour, or, it must be added, by his behaviour towards his wife. And for that I condemn him today.
Tristo
Ssshhh…now is not the time to be talking about the elephant in the room.
And let’s not forget about the revolting revolving door…..
Boerwar @ #249 Wednesday, November 27th, 2019 – 3:23 pm
He should try reading PB!
However, if it came down one day to a choice between labor and the labour movement then no contest. Labour movement first. Hopefully, that will not happen but if it did then I would have no issue following the lead of labour leaders and unions and vote in the best interests of workers.
So, for example, as a Queensland member of the CFFMEU you would have voted for the LNP at the federal election?
I see.
@C@tmomma
I argue that John Setka was just the excuse that the Coalition needed to introduce the ‘Ensuring Integrity Bill’ and attempt to getting it passed through the Senate. This bill I also argue is all part of the government’s agenda to build a police state and oppress their opponents. Because the government is going after more than just the Trade Unions, political activist groups such as GetUp! are being targeted as well.
At least get the name of the campaign right. That was from 2005 or so to 2007. The last campaign was ‘Change the Rules’.
Tristo,
Exactly as I said. John Setka gave Scott Morrison the hook to hang his Ensuring Integrity Bill, hat on. Without John Setka and his public carry-on it would have been way harder for Scott Morrison to go up against the Nurses, the Teachers or the Child Care workers.
doyley @ #253 Wednesday, November 27th, 2019 – 3:34 pm
And equally, if the Labor party believes a union is not acting in the best interests of other Australians, or other union members, then they should call them on it. That is their job.
doyley,
In the past some unions have donated to and/or aligned with the Greens party who has always had a far better and stronger IR policy than Labor.
The Greens always strongly opposed the ABCC which Rudd and Gillard still saw a need for back in the day aka a strong cop on the beat rhetoric.
I don’t think it’s John Quiggin who has “jumped the shark”.
The Guardian
Jacqui Lambie will support the repeal of medevac, if the government meets her one amendment:
In light of considerable community interest in my position on the Government’s legislation to repeal the Medevac provision, including the thousands of Australians who have petitioned me directly, I wish to outline my final position on the bill.
Offshore processing protects our borders. Boat turnbacks work. The promise that nobody who illegally comes by boat will ever be resettled in Australia is an important one.
I support the government’s position on Operation Sovereign Borders.
I do not believe this position is undermined by the presence of Medevac.
But the Government has made clear to me that it has concerns with the way that Medevac is functioning. I recognise those concerns.
In recognition, I have proposed to the Government the only condition on which I will support the repeal of the Medevac legislation.
If that condition is met, I will vote in favour of the repeal of Medevac.
If that condition is not met, I will oppose the repeal of Medevac.
The condition I have put to the government is a sensible and reasonable proposition, that I have arrived at through extensive consultation. I am aware that it is within the capacity of the Government to accept it.
I am of the firm and conclusive view that the continuing operation of the Medevac provisions cannot be disrupted without this condition being met. I will not entertain any alternative.
I thank the Government for its consideration of my proposal.
@C@tmomma
I believe that the Coalition would have tried to find another excuse, followed by bullying, to push through the Ensuring Integrity Bill. Indeed, bullying is one of Morrison’s favorite tactics to achieve his government’s objectives.
@Jacqui Lambie
I have nothing but contempt for Jackie Lambie, ever since she went on Q&A an spouted that all Muslims who believe in Sharia law should be deported, in front of a Muslim Sudanese-Australian activist no less. That incident showed Jackie Lambie’s true colors. I happen to have a zero tolerance attitude to anybody in public life who incite hatred, wither it is racism, misogyny, homophobia, trans-phobia, Islamophobic, etc. For it is a matter of them violating their duty to the public.
cat,
You can assume all you like.
I have never said I am a member of the CFMMEU.
I voted labor at the May 18 election because I believed a Shorten led labor party would be the better party of government to represent and protect workers.
Enough from me.
Cheers.
Pegasus @ #260 Wednesday, November 27th, 2019 – 3:43 pm
It was both. One led to the other after the Coalition were elected in 2013:
https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/actu-revives-your-rights-at-work-campaign-20150302-13svw9
That article is from 2015 🙂
Tristo says:
Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 3:29 pm
….
The Greens are the only party in Federal Politics, whose politicians aren’t in the pockets of the fossil fuels industry. Therefore; I defend their views on Global Heating and the need for radical action to combat it. Because they are seriously listening to the opinions of the climate scientists.
This is the nonsense that got us where we are.
Labor tried twice and failed twice. The Greens blocked the first attempt and were bit players in the second.
The first step to a third attempt is to somehow get the Greens anti environmental policies out of the picture.
The Greens are a secret little party that have done enormous damage to the Australian environmental movements. The Greens, the party that can’t are the Liberals anti labor and fairytail partner.
Tristo
“I believe that the Coalition would have tried to find another excuse…”
Yes, anyone who believes otherwise….I have a bridge to sell you.
When you win a majority in the House you make laws and you prioritise spending.
That’s not bullying.
I have never said I am a member of the CFMMEU.
I never said you were, that is a complete misinterpretation of what I wrote. I asked you a question, what would you have done, putting the labour movement first as you said you would always do, IF you were a Qld member of the CFFMEU? It was a hypothetical and I was interested in how you would have squared that circle.
Moo
Tristo @ #266 Wednesday, November 27th, 2019 – 3:50 pm
He doesn’t have to bully. He won the federal election, he is the Prime Minister. He simply has to negotiate with the Senate Cross Benchers to get the numbers in the Senate to pass his Bills.
@frednk
The Greens opposed the Rudd government’s Carbon Trading Emissions scheme. Because they argued it was too generous to polluters and would achieve little in greenhouse emissions. While the Greens agreed to the Carbon Tax which the Gillard government implemented.
By European standards, the Australian Greens would be considered a center to center-left party, with both Liberal and Social Democratic elements. While the LNP would be considered a right-wing if not far-right party much like Fidsez in Hungary, The Forum for Democracy in the Netherlands, Vox in Spain and Law and Justice in Poland. Given that Tony Abbott was in Hungary recently, praising Viktor Orban, that is not an unreasonable comparison to make. This is a testament to how much far-right wing lunacy has become mainstream in our political discourse.
As to what is happening this is what the Greens campaigned for. The greens got what they campaigned for, be happy. Roll around in your bullshit, same-same.
FredNK
Yes Labor backed the scientists and economists.
To this day I still regard it as the right decision.
The Carbon Price market mechanism is the only thing that worked.
Hydrogen might replace coal. Be in no doubt the coal era is over.
The dangerous work that has resulted in black lung disease will cease.
It’s only a matter of time before reality catches up to the LNP and Newscorp.
It’s going to be a whopper of a class action the Murdoch family and associates are going to facing.
Trisko
We have nothing.
Thanks a lot, you lot have made an absolute mess of it haven’t you.
guytaur
We are in the middle of a revolution with no leadership.
The Liberals are telling us it isn’t happening.
The Greens are telling us it won’t happen without them.
Fairytails both.
All things dull and ugly..
All creatures short and squat..
https://youtu.be/yEKDYIYMgBc
guytaur says:
Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 4:03 pm
…
It’s going to be a whopper of a class action the Murdoch family and associates are going to facing.
Nonsense, what comes next is attempts to socialize the losses.
@frednk
The Greens aren’t to blame for all of this and I am somewhat critical of some Greens policies. Rather all the blame goes to the politicians who are in mining industry’s pockets. In addition the News Corporation and Macquarie media outlets who waged a campaign against the Carbon Tax which the Gillard government introduced. Not to mention these media outlets along with promoting Global Heating denial-ism and politicians who peddled it such as Tony Abbott. Something similar has happened in Britain, where much of the press have peddled Euroscepticism, Brexit, along with the charlatans and their useful idiots who have been leading the Brexit movement.
What is Lambie’s condition, does anyone know?
Tristo
The line is long, but attempt by the Greens to blame Labor
a) Is sanctimonious crap.
b) Deserves to be responded to in kind.
Some good news.
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2019/nov/27/asic-defamation-case-win-may-strengthen-key-free-speech-defence
Frednk,
“As to what is happening this is what the Greens campaigned for. The greens got what they campaigned for, be happy. Roll around in your bullshit, same-same.”
Wow i would just love to hear a rational detailed reason to how you get to this conclusion? meth perhaps?
Federal Court today finds robodebt illegal.
Interesting to see how the government reacts.
Lynchpin
“What is Lambie’s condition, does anyone know?”
Its call being a Bogan, or as my kids would correct me… an Eshay…..
https://outbackdictionary.com/eshay/
🙂 😛
frednk @ #284 Wednesday, November 27th, 2019 – 4:18 pm
And the same applies, of course, to the attempts by Labor to blame the Greens.
I would also add that this:
c) Is hypocritical
d) Is childish
e) Is unproductive
f) Is boring as batshit to everyone else
Jeff
Read Tristo original post from Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 3:29 pm. Not much more needs to be said. Same, same-same nonsense that got us here.
The party that can’t always trying to undermine the party that sometimes can; the Greens got what hey wanted, be happy with what you have got.
@frednk
Actually all of blame I attribute to various Coalition politicians (such as Tony Abbott) who are in the mining companies pockets, along with their backers in the media, particularly the News Corporation and Macquarie media ones. At least when it came to how the Carbon Tax (which a Labor government introduced, with Greens and Independents support) was destroyed. It is not the only good policy that Coalition politicians and their News Corporation backers destroyed, there is also the matter of NBN as well.
I’ll just throw in my 2 cents worth – there is absolutely no good Labor bringing forth and presenting to tyhe voters a climate policy that it cannot persude 51% of the electorate to vote for, no matter how wise, correct, appropriate or brilliant that policy might be.
P1
And you don’t think you trying to defend you ill informed nonsense and the Greens same same is not as boring as batshit?
Did you note California is banning gas. You must be so sad.
Steve777 says:
Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 4:29 pm
I’ll just throw in my 2 cents worth – there is absolutely no good Labor bringing forth and presenting to tyhe voters a climate policy that it cannot persude 51% of the electorate to vote for, no matter how wise, correct, appropriate or brilliant that policy might be.
I think Andy Murray put it well.
Andy Murray says:
Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 1:33 pm
Cat, no just the usual assumption that being correct wins political battles, which gets so many lefties in knots.
In this case the likes of the Greens have done enormous damage; and they seem quite happy to continue to do so.
At the precise point that the NSW Police announced an investigation into the fraudulent document Taylor (or his staff) passed to The DT, Morrison should’ve butted out. Further, Fuller’s admin. staff should’ve been directed to say to Morrison that he (Fuller) could not discuss an active investigation. That this didn’t ensue puts both parties in a situation where it can be easily argued that there has been political interference in this matter. Moreover, once the police investigation was announced, such should’ve been sufficient for Morrison to have stood aside Taylor, police only acting on a complaint where’s there prima facie evidence of an offence having been committed. Morrison will most likely obfuscate until the end of the parliamentary year. But Labor should pursue the matter until it gets Taylor’s scalp.
Tristo
Re ” Rudd government’s Carbon Trading Emissions scheme” . From a presentation I saw on it I thought it was way too generous to a number of businesses BUT something saved it for me. That there was an emissions cap and that cap in only a few years (5?) would start to be lowered significantly and the cost of polluting ramp up.
Labor have no hope of improving their position while they’re so split on climate change policy, which is increasingly important to voters.
Steve777 @ #292 Wednesday, November 27th, 2019 – 4:29 pm
That actually shouldn’t be too hard though, should it? About 60% of the electorate want action, and think Australia is not doing enough.
How about this for a start:
– no new coal mines
– impose a price on carbon that ramps up over time
– remove all fossil fuel subsidies, replacing with other subsidies if necessary (e.g. for farmers).
– build a national eVehicle charging network
– offer subsidies for people to transition to eVehicles
– implement a domestic gas reserve
– build public transport instead of new tollways
I think you would easily get 51% support for this. Then once you are in government you could start on the hard stuff.
Not too difficult, is it?
frednk @ #293 Wednesday, November 27th, 2019 – 4:30 pm
I am not in your class when it comes to nonsensical, repetitive and boring claptrap. Also, I am not a Green, and do not defend their policies (just in case you have been so busy writing your perpetual nonsense that you haven’t noticed).
If you think that, you really are completely clueless. When we lived in Sydney, we purchased a house which had natural gas when we moved in. We paid to have the gas lines permanently ripped up and removed (i.e. not just capped).
doyley
Take your pick
1) Ignore it
2) Deny the court found it illegal and the ruling has been misinterpreted.
3) Declare it a mere technical issue and they will act swiftly to close this ‘loophole’ used by those welfare bludgers.
4) Not the time to talk about it
5) Declare the court was wrong.