The Essential Research poll series continues to chug along on its fortnightly schedule without offering anything on voting intention, with this week’s survey mainly relating to bushfires and climate change. Support for the proposition that Australia is not doing enough to address climate change have reached a new high of 60%, up nine since March, with “doing enough” down five to 22% and “doing too much” down three to 8%.
However, perceptions of climate change itself are little changed, with 61% attributing it to human activity (down one) and 28% opting for “a normal fluctuation in the earth’s climate”. On the debate as to whether it was appropriate to raise links between climate change and bushfires, opinion was evenly divided – out of those who considered such a link likely, 43% felt raising the matter appropriate compared with 17% for inappropriate, while another 30% rated the link as unlikely.
A further question related to the issue of medical evacuations for asylum seekers, and here the situation is murkier due to the need to provide respondents with some sort of explanation of what the issue is about. As the Essential survey put it, the relevant legislation allows “doctors, not politicians, more say in determining the appropriate medical
treatment offered to people in offshore detention”. Put like that, 62% were opposed to the government’s move to repeal it, including 25% who believed the legislation didn’t go far enough. That left only 22% in favour of the pro-government proposition that “legislation will weaken our borders and result in boats arriving”.
The poll was conducted Thursday to Sunday from a sample of 1083.
Barney in Tanjung Bunga
Wednesday, November 27th, 2019 – 1:36 pm
Comment #199
Or – find a more or less plausible excuse for doing what they wanted desperately to do in the first place.
I am most displeased that this execrable piece of bastardry becomes law.
And thank you to John Setka – whose personal ego proved to be greater than the rights of his members and millions of other Australian workers to have effective union representation. Take a bow.
Barney in Tanjung Bunga
The ‘Setka excuse’ is just a sad withered fig leaf attempting to portray voting for a betrayal of all union members as a moral stand.
He may be Catmomma, I don’t know. When I saw him on Telly being interviewed about that Chris Dawson case, my first impression was that he was a media-massager.
Anyway, this phone call with Bin Boy is not a good look for Fuller either.
And is it normal for police to tell people who the complainant is? Or was that public knowledge anyway?
Who do we trust
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-27/the-professions-australians-trust-the-most/11725448
C@t
You are probably thinking of Scipione he was a ‘Hillsonger’ and Houston ‘mate’. Not that does not mean this guy is not one.
IBAC
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/former-liberal-mp-admits-cash-payments-to-councillor-were-bribes-20191127-p53eiv.html
Mexicanbeemer:
[‘Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 1:35 pm’]
Sensible critique.
Hurrah for Crow Eaters 🙂
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2019/nov/27/coalition-labor-westpac-morrison-albanese-politics-live
guytaur says:
Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 1:36 pm
Cat
Which is why Labor has to have a backbone and not be scared of being called Green.
Instead own it just as it did when Malcolm Fraser called Bob Hawke a communist.
Labor can stand on its own ground and should do so proudly.
Don’t back down on Labor policy because of name calling by the IPA government and it’s media arm Newscorp
The problem for Labor and for that matter the Greens is the Greens want to pretend they wag the dog.
The party that can’t is now going to have to stand on it’s own two feet.
poroti @ #207 Wednesday, November 27th, 2019 – 1:50 pm
You’re probably right. 🙂
You missed the good part of Barnabys rant…
Ha. IIRC, the last Nations Party MP in SA was a minister in the Rann ALP government.
Whethet John Setka resigned and or the CFMMEU promised to behave would make zero difference to the passage of this anti union legislation.
Setka is just being used as a cover for the government, business and the cross bench to break the labour movement in this country.
If the passing of this legislation was, according to Morrison, all about curbing militant and rogue unionists, union thugs, Setka and the CFMMEU then why was it not targeted at the construction industry ? It would not be the first time. The ABCC already has draconian powers to force unionists to give evidence etc so why not frame this legislation to give the ABCC even more power ?
The answer is simple. Morrison and his enablers want to destroy all unions and leave 1.5 million unionists without protection and the ability to campaign for decent wages, work place safety etc etc.
If Lambie really was concerned about Setka and wanted him gone then why not support the legislation targeting the construction industry only ? Why get on her high horse and drag 1.5 million other unionists down as well ?
The answer is simple. She is anti union and full of bullshit.
Setka is a non issue in this matter. Look at the numbers and who is voting for the legislation. Whether Setka stands down or not means nothing and those who throw blame at him for being responsible for this legislation passing need to step back and think clearly instead of knee jerk reflexes.
Morrison apwants to destroy all unions. He is supported by business and the cross bench. Lambie is no friend of workers just as Centre Alliance and Hanson are no friends of workers. Setka is just a cover.
BTW, I have posted many times Setka should resign for the good of the labour movement. He represents workers in a hard and dangerous industry but is now a liability and due to a combination of his own efforts and ongoing attacks from the government and others is the “ union thug” poster boy for Morrison and co. I still believe he should go but to blame him for the passing of this legislaion is just laughable.
frednk,
Yes, The Greens should learn how to stand on their own 2 feet and stop trying to co-opt Labor. If people want to put a ‘1’ next to The Greens they will, ditto Labor, upon consideration of each party’s suite of policies. Not whether one party or the other demands co-operation with their policies.
AE
“And thank you to John Setka – whose personal ego proved to be greater than the rights of his members and millions of other Australian workers to have effective union representation. Take a bow.”
He is being used as an Coalition excuse to ATTACK the UNIONS, anyone with half a brain can see that!.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-26/northern-territory-sex-industry-bill-passed/11739820
With the passing of this fine piece of legislation hope is raised that the Federal Parliamentiary Whores will – after passing similar law – be free to ply their trade in the sunlight free from persecution by MSM (as if) or Opposition Parties.
doyley,
John Setka was the hook the government hung the Bill on. Lambie publicly stated she would not vote for the Bill, as it stood not as you would like it to have been, if John Setka stood down from his union position. He didn’t. Lambie voted for the Bill. You’d think if John Setka was such a passionate unionist he would have taken one for the team. He didn’t.
Thanks for nothing, John Setka.
1934pc @ #216 Wednesday, November 27th, 2019 – 2:09 pm
Apparently John Setka couldn’t. 😐
The G blog
Oh. Goodo. Everyone can go home now.
C@tmomma @ #217 Wednesday, November 27th, 2019 – 2:10 pm
What self-serving nonsense. If Labor (or perhaps the unions) had dealt with Setka when he was doing so much damage to the Australian union movement, the current situation would never have arisen.
Some Labor people just love blaming everyone else for their own inadequacies and failures, don’t they? Lambie … the Greens … Clive Palmer … the media … the voters … etc etc.
Surely it’s time to accept at least some responsibility?
Cat
Apparently John Setka couldn’t. ?
Would not of made any difference with this Mob in Power!.
Simon Katch..
Where did you get that bullshit meter from?
The vote of Lambie means jack shit. Even if Setka had stood down and Lambie abstained or opposed ( we will never know btw ) the legislation will still pass on the back of Centre Alliance and One nation.
If Lambie is so pro worker 2hy drag 1.5 million unionists down so she can live out her hate for one man ? Setka is just a cover and those blaming him instead of Lambie, Hanson and Centre Alliance are way off the mark.
Those supporting this legislation are not doing so because they think Setka is unfit to remain a union offical they are doing so because they are anti union and ideologically opposed to workers be able to band together and fight for fair wages, conditions etc.
Wake up and face reality.
Anyway, we shall see who votes for what as the rest of the week unfolds.
Very good point. I daresay Trump has not thought this through. LOL!
Rick Wilson
@TheRickWilson
·
1h
So if Rudy wasn’t Trump’s client in Ukraine…as Trump just said…does that mean he doesn’t have attorney client privilege?
Trump did say in the first released phone transcript that he would have Rudy get in touch.
Ha!
IIRC, it was a far right blog.
Cud – Free Republic.
https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3722476/posts
How unsurprisement
Kyle Griffin
@kylegriffin1
· 3h
Breaking via NYT: Trump had already been briefed on the whistleblower complaint about his dealings with Ukraine when he unfroze military aid for the country in September, according to two people familiar with the matter. https://nytimes.com/2019/11/26/us/
Victoria @ #225 Wednesday, November 27th, 2019 – 2:28 pm
I think like Trump. He’ll say, only wrt Ukraine.
Cud Chewer,
Good to see you around. My meeting is tonight, so could you let me have another one of those email thingies please? 🙂
doyley,
If the vote would have gone through without Lambie why concentrate your ire on her? And if you knew CA and PHON would vote for it, why not attack Rebekha Sharkie as being complicit with the CA Senator’s votes, if you want to attack a woman? 😐
For those defending Setka and hating the cross bench should remember that his union’s Queensland branch played a part in Morrison’s election win.
Cormann’s losing it in Senate QT over Taylor’s alleged improper conduct, blaming Dreyfus for writing to NSW Police. The crux is, the letter led to a task force being established to investigate crooked Angus. I feel a matter of public importance coming in the House. Labor should milk this for all its worth.
The Coalition are persisting with the Taylor cover-up explanation, even in the Senate:
Labor also asked Simon Birmingham, representing Taylor, where the travel figures came from – Birmingham replied that it is “the advice of the minister” that it came from the City of Sydney website.
Doyley
Agree with everything you are saying on this. Setka is a convenient scapegoat.
Pegasus @ #236 Wednesday, November 27th, 2019 – 2:54 pm
Gotta love the Queensland branch of the CFFMEU too, Pegasus? If you accept the complete premise of doyley’s sentiments. 😐
In news to no one, Scott Morrison is a sleazy bastard:
Boerwar @ #37 Wednesday, November 27th, 2019 – 8:38 am
Since 2011 the term in the UK is supposed to be 5 years, not 4. It hasn’t worked out that way yet however, thanks to the machinations of May and Johnson.
Very true. From JTI. aka Peter Hoysted.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/a-bill-ensuring-integrity-who-wouldnt-want-that/news-story/3477b80e2b80f8d30406e758c6862583
Folau files an amended claim, increasing his claim for damages from $10m to $14m, claiming he may’ve captained the Wallabies. That’s BS. He would’ve never been made captain:
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/israel-folau-in-new-14m-compensation-claim-against-rugby-australia-20191127-p53ekl.html
Maybe the unions should wear it as a badge of honor and by showing greater professionalism gaining the moral high ground when things go wrong.
John Quiggin – The new normal: put up with it
https://johnquiggin.com/2019/11/27/the-new-normal-put-up-with-it/
Union bans donations to Labor MPs, slams Albanese over trade deals
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/freetrade-pacts-spark-union-row-with-labor/news-story/3b3732d41aa9e553c63d3ea414c7cec9
poroti,
Thanks for that link.
Every union offical will be held to higher standards than Morrison, Hanson, Rex Patrick and Lambie with the passing of this legislation and every union will face far more oversight than any political party.
Every union offical. Not just Setka but every union offical who stands up for the 1.5 million unionists in this country faces the possibility of significant fines for doing their job. Meanwhile Angus Taylor and other pollies supporting this legislation are free to do what they like in the absence of a federal ICAC with teeth.
Those who vote for this legislation know exactly what they are voting for and it is not because Setka is a thug. It is because they are ideologically opposed to unionism and the potential power it gives to workers to negotiate fair pay and safe working conditions.
[Albo’s response is to call for an emergency COAG which will discuss how to deal with climate related disasters, but not, it seems, look at doing anything about our contribution to climate change. That would, it seems, be unnecessarily divisive.]
This is not the best written paragraph in history.
Since the election, I have learnt not to underestimate Scott Morrison. As well as being convinced that Morrison wants to become an authoritarian ‘strongman’ leader much like Viktor Orban in Hungary. Which would result in Australia becoming an corrupt, authoritarian, ‘Illiberal democracy’.
Indeed, Morrison is well on his way to achieve this, especially given the effort that Morrison and Dutton have done to build a police state in this country. An example; of this building of a police state, is the legislation to bust unions. Unfortunately there are very few in our political class, who have woken up this fact.
Simon.. thanks I have some uses for it 🙂
C@t is it urgent? If so try..
i742yl+2fijm17ey3atc@sharklasers.com
Quiggin has jumped the shark.
There are three basic elements to any rational discussion about global warming:
1. The science.
2. The policies.
3. Elections.
Quiggin and the Greens want Labor to adopt Zero/2030 and simply ignore the fact that 90% of the voters knocked Zero/2030 back in the last election.
What good would that do?
Quiggin uses this as a basis for criticizing Labor. Truly idiotic stuff.
Cud Chewer @ #248 Wednesday, November 27th, 2019 – 3:18 pm
No worries, Cud. Just wanted to use your name instead of nom when discussing your putative contribution to the federal forum. Later is fine. 🙂