More Monday miscellany

A summary of federal preselection developments, much of it relating to Tasmanian Senate tickets.

We’re in an off-week for federal opinion polling, although we may get geographic and demographic breakdowns from Newspoll – the leadership change had broken up their usual schedule of quarterly publication, and they have already published the results from the end of the Turnbull epoch. So here’s a summary of preselection news. Note the post below on the Wentworth by-election, and the one below that on the US mid-terms, courtesy of Adrian Beaumont.

• After successful lobbying from Scott Morrison, Peter Dutton and Mathias Cormann, Richard Colbeck will head the Tasmanian Liberal Senate ticket. Earlier reports indicated he would again be dumped, as he was in 2016 – initially costing him his seat, before he won it back on the countback that resulted from Stephen Parry’s Section 44-related disqualification. Claire Chandler, a conservative backed by Eric Abetz, is number two, with Hobart councillor Tanya Denison number three. The presence of two women on the ticket makes a change from the usual form of the state party, which last had a woman in federal parliament in 2002. Those who missed out included Brett Whiteley, who held Braddon from 2013 to 2016 and failed to win it back in the Super Saturday by-election, and Wendy Summers, political staffer and the sister of David Bushby.

• Tasmanian Labor, on the other hand, has persisted in dumping Senator Lisa Singh to number four, despite her historic success in having below-the-line voters overturn her demotion in 2016. This reflects the party’s persistence in favouring the claim of John Short, state secretary of the Australian Manufacturing Workers Union, who will be number three. The top two positions go to incumbents of the Left and Right, Carol Brown and Catryna Bilyk.

• Ann Sudmalis’s retirement in the dicey New South Wales seat of Gilmore leaves in the field her prospective preselection challenger, Grant Schultz, a real estate agent and the son of former Hume MP Alby Schultz. However, Mark Kenny of Fairfax reports “the moderate faction of the Liberal Party believes it can retain its hold on the seat and find a replacement for Ms Sudmalis”.

Chris O’Keefe of Nine News reports Hughes MP Craig Kelly has been approached to run in the marginal state seat of East Hills, to smooth over his likely preselection defeat in his existing seat at the hands of Kent Johns. Kelly appeared to scupper his chances when he suggested forgiving Russia for the MH17 disaster was “the price we have to pay” for “good relations going forward”.

• Perin Davey, a Riverina water policy specialist, has won preselection to succeed the retiring John “Wacka” Williams as the Nationals’ New South Wales Senate candidate. The existing coalition agreement gives the Nationals the difficult third position on the ticket, but Joe Kelly of The Australian reports the party is considering breaking away to run its own ticket. To this end it has chosen a full slate of four candidates, rounded out by “small business owner Sam Farraway, Gunnedah Mayor Jamie Chaffey and Wagga-based farmer Paul Cocking”.

• Skye Kakoschke-Moore has been confirmed as the lead South Australian Senate candidate for the Centre Alliance, confirming that Nick Xenophon will stand by the pledge he made at the time of his failed run for state parliament that he would not run at the federal election.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. PeeBee @ #1699 Thursday, October 4th, 2018 – 2:17 pm

    ‘She included the Govt.’ pathetic Rex. Almost as pathetic as her interviewing. She mentioned the government was just as bad when Bill pulled her up.

    She should ask the gov rep the same question when they are on, after all as BIgD says they can do something about it.

    So Trioli is pathetic for question Bill’s principles ?

  2. Some low low percentages in this NYT article.
    .
    Planning to Vote in the November Election? Why Most Americans Probably Won’t

    MADISON, W.Va. — Lula Hill voted in just about every election once she became old enough in 1952. Her coal mining family of registered Democrats believed that elections were like church services: You didn’t skip them.
    https://outline.com/8BE5dG

  3. From The Hill.

    Senators are being told that they will get to review a supplemental FBI background investigation into Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh on Thursday… Only one copy is being made available to senators, and each party will take turns viewing it in one-hour increments… If all 100 senators decide to review the document… it could take 50 hours for the entire chamber to examine it

    With debate likely to be voted down on Friday and final vote on Saturday…. the executive summary better be good. And considering the FBI didnt even interview Ford nor witnesses corroborating her statements… the Republican carnies have turned due process into a circus.

  4. ‘How do you judge their principles given they are mute to the torture being inflicted ?’

    Mute is one strategy to get in power and then be able to change it.
    Mute is important, as you know Rex, because the Greens love to attack Labor for whatever they say.
    Mute is what the Greens do when they could be bragging about how they voted down the Malaysian solution which would have stopped the torture.
    Mute is Greens method of condemning the Liberals who are perpetuating the Torture.

    In a way, the Greens love the torture of refugees on Nahru because without they cannot be holier than everyone else.

  5. What real difference would saying anything have on the situation now?

    It would show they have principles and strength of character – traits that genuine leaders have.

  6. How do you judge their principles given they are mute to the torture being inflicted ?

    So who are ya gonna vote for Rex?

    A: The child torturers who belueve in trickle down economics, fucking the environment, fucking the NBN and generally making a dogs breakfast of government

    B: The child torturers who are going to restore equity, have a sane energy/environment policy, fix the NBN And in general know what they are doing?

    Tough choice.

    Put up or shut up, Rex.

  7. Cud Chewer @ #1708 Thursday, October 4th, 2018 – 2:30 pm

    How do you judge their principles given they are mute to the torture being inflicted ?

    So who are ya gonna vote for Rex?

    A: The child torturers who belueve in trickle down economics, fucking the environment, fucking the NBN and generally making a dogs breakfast of government

    B: The child torturers who are going to restore equity, have a sane energy/environment policy, fix the NBN And in general know what they are doing?

    Tough choice.

    Put up or shut up, Rex.

    Liberal and Labor don’t deserve Govt.

  8. Rex, answer me one question, please. To whom would you give a higher preference in your House of Reps vote: the Labor candidate or the Liberal/National/LNP candidate? I understand neither may get your first preference.

    I’m only asking because the plight of refugees from war-torn or poverty-stricken countries who flee to here across the seas has been worsened by the actions of Coalition governments far more than it has by Labor governments, ever since John Howard pounded the lectern and told his cheering voters those people were not welcome here.


  9. PeeBee says:
    Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 2:26 pm
    ‘How do you judge their principles given they are mute to the torture being inflicted ?’

    Mute is one strategy to get in power and then be able to change it.
    Mute is important, as you know Rex, because the Greens love to attack Labor for whatever they say.
    Mute is what the Greens do when they could be bragging about how they voted down the Malaysian solution which would have stopped the torture.
    Mute is Greens method of condemning the Liberals who are perpetuating the Torture.

    In a way, the Greens love the torture of refugees on Nahru because without they cannot be holier than everyone else.

    PeeBee
    Rex is mute when I mentioned (on Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 1:36 pm) that SHY is sloppy with her public utterances. Sometimes people are mute for strategic reasons.

  10. Liberal and Labor don’t deserve Govt.

    Rex are you going to preference Liberal above Labor, or vice versa.

    Put up or shut up.

  11. Rex Douglas @ #1710 Thursday, October 4th, 2018 – 11:29 am

    What real difference would saying anything have on the situation now?

    It would show they have principles and strength of character – traits that genuine leaders have.

    It would give the Government ammunition to make an issue of it electorally.

    The past has shown that fear wins out over logic, in the electorate, on this issue.

  12. Christopher Pyne insists $50 billion submarines deal is on track as SA senators attack project, cost blows out to $200b. NBN on steroids. This mob are a sovereign risk.

    (Alexander Waverly @theUNCLEdaily)

  13. Barney in Go Dau @ #1717 Thursday, October 4th, 2018 – 2:37 pm

    Rex Douglas @ #1710 Thursday, October 4th, 2018 – 11:29 am

    What real difference would saying anything have on the situation now?

    It would show they have principles and strength of character – traits that genuine leaders have.

    It would give the Government ammunition to make an issue of it electorally.

    The past has shown that fear wins out over logic, in the electorate, on this issue.

    It is an electoral issue – and the past has shown a lack of principle, character and courage has allowed the current shameful disgrace to continue.

  14. From what I remember the bloody greens stymied the Malaysian solution, so they are responsible for the current predicament.
    End of story!.

  15. BK says: Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 2:36 pm

    Americans get the government they vote and don’t for. There is no hope!

    *********************************************

    Churchill ‘allegedly’ did/did not say – You can always count on Americans to do the right thing – after they’ve tried everything else.

  16. Rex Douglas @ #1726 Thursday, October 4th, 2018 – 11:41 am

    Barney in Go Dau @ #1717 Thursday, October 4th, 2018 – 2:37 pm

    Rex Douglas @ #1710 Thursday, October 4th, 2018 – 11:29 am

    What real difference would saying anything have on the situation now?

    It would show they have principles and strength of character – traits that genuine leaders have.

    It would give the Government ammunition to make an issue of it electorally.

    The past has shown that fear wins out over logic, in the electorate, on this issue.

    It is an electoral issue – and the past has shown a lack of principle, character and courage has allowed the current shameful disgrace to continue.

    Really?

    Labor tried to move in a different direction and were crucified at the ballot box for it.

    They only reverted back a more Coalition friendly policy after the Greens helped to block their attempts at an alternate approach.

  17. I am undecided wither to vote for Labor or the Greens for the election at the moment. I am leaning towards voting for Greens 1, Labor 2 in the Lower House and Greens in the Senate.

  18. Am I the only one here to comment on this new ReachTel poll in the Guardian, that has the Liberals Dave Sharma down to 40% in Wentworth with a 51/49% 2PP (making many preferencing assumptions)? I do not know if Labor will win, but ScamMo and his band of merry men might lose this.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/oct/04/wentworth-byelection-liberal-vote-collapses-as-poll-shows-safe-seat-now-a-close-contest

    If accurate (yes single seat, sample = 727) that is another 20% swing against the Libs in NSW. So much for ScamMo “cutting through”.

  19. What Rex is exploiting is the asymmetry in electoral consequences for Labor, the Greens and the Coalition in having asylum seekers elevated to prominence as an issue. The Coalition can be as gung-ho as they like and they will largely profit from it; the Greens can be as compassionate as they like and only profit from it. But the party in the centre on this issue (Labor) can only bleed votes either way, no matter what it pronounces on this issue, since a centrist answer will piss off its left as too heartless and its right as too soft on the national border.

    I suspect Rex knows this only too well. Thus, it is hard to say whether his raising of this issue to such prominence is aimed at carving votes off Labor to the Greens, or at goading Labor into making pronouncements that drive other voters from them to the Coalition. Either way, its effect is so clearly to make it harder for Labor to wrest Government from the Coalition that it is a good bet that this is Rex’s intention in cheering every time Labor gets asked a question on it.

  20. @Socrates

    I am predicting Phelps will win Wentworth with a margin of under 5%. It will be interesting what she will be demanding for her supporting a minority Coalition government.

  21. Socrates @ #1734 Thursday, October 4th, 2018 – 11:47 am

    Am I the only one here to comment on this new ReachTel poll in the Guardian, that has the Liberals Dave Sharma down to 40% in Wentworth with a 51/49% 2PP (making many preferencing assumptions)? I do not know if Labor will win, but ScamMo and his band of merry men might lose this.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/oct/04/wentworth-byelection-liberal-vote-collapses-as-poll-shows-safe-seat-now-a-close-contest

    If accurate (yes single seat, sample = 727) that is another 20% swing against the Libs in NSW. So much for ScamMo “cutting through”.

    No, I linked it earlier. 🙂

  22. Tristo @ #1730 Thursday, October 4th, 2018 – 2:47 pm

    I am undecided wither to vote for Labor or the Greens for the election at the moment. I am leaning towards voting for Greens 1, Labor 2 in the Lower House and Greens in the Senate.

    Labor is going to win the lower house, so voting Green there won’t make much difference. However, don’t waste your senate vote electing people with the morals of Rex Douglas, the maturity of Nicholas and the flexibility of Pegasus.

  23. Barney in Go Dau @ #1731 Thursday, October 4th, 2018 – 2:47 pm

    Rex Douglas @ #1726 Thursday, October 4th, 2018 – 11:41 am

    Barney in Go Dau @ #1717 Thursday, October 4th, 2018 – 2:37 pm

    Rex Douglas @ #1710 Thursday, October 4th, 2018 – 11:29 am

    What real difference would saying anything have on the situation now?

    It would show they have principles and strength of character – traits that genuine leaders have.

    It would give the Government ammunition to make an issue of it electorally.

    The past has shown that fear wins out over logic, in the electorate, on this issue.

    It is an electoral issue – and the past has shown a lack of principle, character and courage has allowed the current shameful disgrace to continue.

    Really?

    Labor tried to move in a different direction and were crucified at the ballot box for it.

    They only reverted back a more Coalition friendly policy after the Greens helped to block their attempts at an alternate approach.

    Labor has cravenly looked away for 5 years as the torture was inflicted because they don’t have the principles, courage or political skill to challenge Abbott, Morrison and Dutton.
    Labor have been cowards re the torture.

  24. adrian @ #1787 Thursday, October 4th, 2018 – 2:04 pm

    Rex Douglas @ #1684 Thursday, October 4th, 2018 – 2:00 pm

    I see Bill Shorten copped some firm questioning from Virginia Trioli re the kids we’re torturing on Nauru. Well don VT.

    If she does likewise to the architects of that policy, the current government and in particular its leader.
    You know, the ones in actual government.
    Which I doubt.

    Not once have I heard Virginia Trioli question this government, over the last 5 years, on Manus and Nauru. She’s simply doing the ‘See? I can be tough on Labor but I quake in my boots at the sight of a Coalition MP because they may complain and my job would be in jeopardy’ schtick. It’s what ABC journalists do. It’s pathetic. It’s the ones like her and Tony Jones that have zero credibility. So to try and use her as some paragon of virtue for the ‘tough’ questioning of Bill Shorten, is equally pathetic.

  25. Barney

    Thanks. I agree victory for Labor is still a tall order. But losing another safe Liberal seat in NSW with a 20%+ swing is surely a sign that no matter who is PM, the Libs won’t be winning the next federal election.

  26. Michael @ #1736 Thursday, October 4th, 2018 – 11:49 am

    I suspect Rex knows this only too well. Thus, it is hard to say whether his raising of this issue to such prominence is aimed at carving votes off Labor to the Greens, or at goading Labor into making pronouncements that drive other voters from them to the Coalition. Either way, its effect is so clearly to make it harder for Labor to wrest Government from the Coalition that it is a good bet that this is Rex’s intention in cheering every time Labor gets asked a question on it.

    Rex’s pronouncements are a clear indication of what you should not do, so if in doubt listen to Rex and do the opposite. 🙂

  27. Rex, I’ll ask again: who will you preference higher in your lower house vote: Labor or the Coalition? This was the question referred to in the comment about “putting up or shutting up”.

    BTW, in 2010 I voted Green-Labor-Liberal precisely because I wanted Labor in Government, but encouraged to be more active on climate change and more humane towards refugees. I was younger then, and didn’t appreciate that sometimes if you prod the Government to take a step too far to the left, then next election the voters prod them into taking many steps to the right, as happened in 2013. And how has life been for refugees since Tony Abbott and Scott Morrison took over in 2013??

  28. Tristo,

    I don’t care about his political or ideological leanings.

    I do. Kavanaugh’s reply to Ford in the committee hearings shows he is not just biased to the conservative ideology (which is fine) but politically partisan and thus incompatible for the SCOTUS. Not to mention his questionable temperament.

    His guilt or otherwise of sexual assault will deliberately not be properly examined thanks to the organisers of this backblocks chook raffle come cockfight.

  29. Socrates/Barney

    Re Wentworth poll, although the allocation around the other candidates is all over the place, this poll and the other Wentworth poll a week or so ago appear to be consistent with Liberals around 40%, a 20%+ swing on the primaries, which must be a worry for the government

    Do you ave a link to the poll release (not just the Guardian report); I’ve had a look but cannot find it

  30. Michael @ #1735 Thursday, October 4th, 2018 – 2:49 pm

    What Rex is exploiting is the asymmetry in electoral consequences for Labor, the Greens and the Coalition in having asylum seekers elevated to prominence as an issue….

    I don’t apologise for ‘having asylum seekers elevated to prominence as an issue’.

    It’s interesting and telling that the torture inflicted by Australia seems to be low on your conscience.

  31. @Player One

    The Greens in my current state of residence (Tasmania) are pretty reasonable, for instance their state leader voiced very legitimate concerns over Chinese Communist Party influence in Tasmanian politics in-spite of accusations by other Greens of racism.

    Although I might change my vote to Labor in both houses, I am not 100% decided yet.

  32. Wentworths favourite son being treat like shit by the Libs is going to be punished in Wentworth. Whatever happens its a loss for the Libs.

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