With last week’s results from Newspoll and Essential Research added to the mix, the BludgerTrack poll aggregate records a solid shift back to the Coalition after a recent Labor blowout, converting into a 0.6% increase on two-party preferred and four on the seat projection. The Coalition is up even more on the primary vote, although this is basically at the expense of One Nation (see the sidebar for full results). Furthermore, The Australian published the Newspoll quarterly state breakdowns for October to December this week, which is the last polling data we will get until well into January, and this too has been added to the mix.
I’ve been noting in recent weeks that BludgerTrack’s readings for Western Australia and especially Queensland were looking off beam, and anticipated that the long-awaited addition of Newspoll data would ameliorate this. However, the Newspoll result backed up the picture of a huge swing to Labor in Queensland, of 9%, resulting in a two-party lead of 55-45. Labor’s lead in Queensland has nonetheless narrowed in BludgerTrack this week, reducing their projected seat gain from an entirely implausible 16 seats to a still rather unlikely 11, but this is as much to do with more normal-looking numbers from Essential over the past two weeks than Newspoll.
A very likely problem here is that both Newspoll and BludgerTrack are assuming preferences will behave as they did in 2016, which means a roughly even split of preferences from One Nation. The Queensland state election result suggests the support One Nation has built since comes largely from former Coalition voters, resulting in a stronger flow of preferences to them – of about 65%, in the case of the state election. In the new year, I will begin calculating preferences by splitting the difference between 2016 election flows and a trend measure of respondent-allocated preferences (which have been leaning too far the other way). This will result in more conservative readings of Labor’s two-party support.
In addition to the five seat shift to the Coalition in Queensland, BludgerTrack has the Coalition up a seat in New South Wales – but down two in Western Australia, where the Newspoll numbers (again with some help from a more normal-looking result from Essential Research) have taken the wind out of an outlier result from the state in the Ipsos poll a fortnight ago.
The leadership rating trends have been updated with the latest Newspoll results, producing a slight drop in both leaders’ net approval ratings. However, this too suffers a deficiency to which I will make an overdue correction in the new year, namely that no account is made for the idiosyncrasies of particular pollsters – such as lower approval and higher disapproval ratings from Newspoll, and lower uncommitted ratings from Ipsos. This means changes from week to week often reflect the specific pollsters that have published results, as much as meaningful change in the numbers.
ABCthedrum: “Everything seems to repeat itself. Here we are 25 years later and we’re still looking at the same things w/ the same intractabilities paralysing our politics” @GreenJ on Cabinet documents release #auspol #TheDrum pic.twitter.com/rQkLF98K37
https://twitter.com/abcthedrum/status/947718259754745857
P1
Specious politicians argument. Argue for what the voters want. The directly elected model.
That will get more votes. You start from a higher base. Less minds to change.
Read those articles.
FFS…that is an impressive load of crap even by your standards! You can’t vote to retain the monarchy and then suggest that it is others that want to keep the monarchy.
guytaur
No Guytaur. As far as I remember, the minimalist version simply divorced the GG from the Monarchy and left structures all the same.
briefly @ #2989 Monday, January 1st, 2018 – 2:00 pm
The people do choose the whole Parliament.
The HoS is outside overseeing the Parliament.
Barney
Then its not a minimalist model.
Lizzie
Thats the minimalist argument the monarchists managed to get the politicians to buy. Hook line and sinker.
Despite polls showing directly elected was preferred by the public.
Fighting about models is doing the Monarchists’ job for them.
Until we accept that Australians as a whole crave an “authority” figure, we are doomed to repeating the brawls of the past – with identical results.
The stereotypical image of the “Larrikin Aussie” died in the 20th century, if it ever *was* real. You could probably pinpoint the last throes of it down to where Curtin brought back the AIF from Africa, and told Churchill to get nicked when the old Imperialist ordered the fleet to steam to Burma.
Not long after that we became America’s pawn in the Pacific. We filled out a holding role in New Guinea, and got the Balikpapan consolation prize. From then on we were all the way with the USA… another foreign master.
You can see the pathetic craving for someone to “be in charge” in the promotion of the utterly bogus assertion that we (somehow) “elect” Prime Ministers. No we don’t, but that doesn’t stop supposedly savvy political commentators, and those who sheepishly follow their lead (some of them on this very blog) from spouting phoney tropes about the “need for leadership”, as in “We want a Messiah”.
You see it daily with cringeworthy calls for so-and-so politician (who happens to fluke a vaguely inspiring speech on a particular day) to step up and go for PM. You see it in utterly cynical opinionation in the MSM that tells us what we need is a strong man in the top job. It’s all garbage.
What we need is rule by the people, not a dictator with executive powers over life and death.
But mostly what we need is to grow up as a nation, not seeking a father figure, not expecting someone else to look after us or make our decisions for us, because that will never and has never worked in the past. Absolute power can only corrupt absolutely, and that is what a king, a queen or a directly elected monarch (read: “President”) will ensure happens. An executive President is a terrible idea.
Grow up Australia. Shit or get off the pot. But don’t just hand power over to some fly-by-night political operator who essentially answers to no-one, but those who control him or her.
Maturity as a nation and a people first, and only then a Republic. The dog wags the tail, remember?
I really think that it is foolish to argue for and against a model that is still unknown.
guytaur @ #2999 Monday, January 1st, 2018 – 6:07 pm
Right. So now Australia has a republic …. oh, wait …
The arguments about reserve powers disappear if the H-o-S can be summarily removed by the Legislature. Simply put, in the event of a dispute between the Executive and the Legislature, the Constitutional design must ensure that the Legislature will win. In practice, this would mean the H-o-S could be sent to an election by the Legislature while the Legislature could not be dissolved by the H-o-S. Tenure. It’s all about tenure.
GT
If the monarchists got anybody hook, line and sinker it was “no” voting faux republicans.
guytaur @ #3003 Monday, January 1st, 2018 – 2:08 pm
Who said it had to be?
It’s about transitioning to a Republic.
No one said that improvements couldn’t be proposed and considered.
I’m yet to be convinced of one benefit that that would be achieved be directly electing the HoS.
BB
Good try.
Just forget Direct Elected model executive can have very strict controls over what is the executive.
Our current system is far more open to abuse than that. I have spent a lot of today arguing exactly that point you are making about power corrupts.
Especially seen today with one man alone deciding when we go to war.
JW
Again you run the false argument its the voters fault.
its the politicians fault of not listening to the voters.
Barney in Go Dau says:
Monday, January 1, 2018 at 6:07 pm
briefly @ #2989 Monday, January 1st, 2018 – 2:00 pm
Barney in Go Dau says:
Monday, January 1, 2018 at 5:28 pm
briefly @ #2964 Monday, January 1st, 2018 – 1:20 pm
How would an elected HoS be, practically, any different?
If anything they would be more powerful because they had a popular mandate.
The premise is that power will reside in the office in any case. This is inevitable. In a democracy, power is to be conferred by the people. So let the people choose the whole Parliament – the House, the Senate and the H-o-S. Their popular authority will be equal but their Constitutional rights would differ.
In my conception, the H-o-S could be removed and/or sent to an election by the House and the Senate acting together, but the neither the House nor the Senate could be sent to an election by the H-o-S.
The people do choose the whole Parliament.
The HoS is outside overseeing the Parliament.
Well…in fact the Constitution now provides that the Parliament consists of the House, the Senate and the Crown and also specifies that authority stems from the people.
Your depiction is monarchic. It specifies that the democratically-chosen legislature will be “supervised”. This is quite different from model in which the legislature governs itself and is answerable to the people rather than to an appointee….
Someone on The Drum suggested that it was more important to sort out the status of First Peoples and the Constitution before the Republic. I think I’d agree.
Yes it was the international journalists who were much more appreciative of it and its powerful message. I’ve still got the tea towel I bought from Emily’s List that has her misogyny speech printed on it. 🙂
guytaur @ #3011 Monday, January 1st, 2018 – 6:14 pm
Is this now your standard response when someone comprehensively demolishes your argument?
BB
You may have missed it. Earlier today it seems we all agree (at least did not see objections) that the first question must be simple.
Become a Republic Yes or No as referendum question.
Then argue models if a Yes vote gets up.
P1
Its the line to use when someone thinks they have demolished an argument ignoring facts.
Plenty of working direct election models.
Lizzie
That was also Mr Green.
The entire problem with an H-o-S appointed/removed by a super majority is they would have even better tenure than the G-G now has. The legislature would be diminishing its own standing with respect to the executive. This would be highly undesirable. The executive is already very powerful. It would be a mistake to subtract from the power of the legislative chambers.
lizzie
To me recognising the First People has to be part of the model of a Republic.
If we can get recognition up sooner than that I am all for it. By that I include a treaty for Sovereignty.
The correct answer to what model Republic?
25/30.
GT
In this case I think it is a perfectly valid argument. I don’t blame all voters just those that claim to be republicans that voted “No”.
I think most people that voted “No” were convinced that they would quickly get a second bite at the cherry and be able to vote for a republic with a directly elected president. They were wrong! It was clear to most at the time that they were wrong…they were idiots.
People that voted “No”didn’t want politicians picking the head of state so, FFS, they voted to retain the status quo where the GG is picked by the PM (a politician). Again this makes them idiots.
lizzie….I’m all for detaching ourselves from the 19th century and facing the future. We have to resolve the standing of first peoples and provide for the creation of Treaties; we have to abolish 44(i); we have to remove the Crown from the Constitution; we have to encode our civil and political rights in the Constitution.
JW
Yes you are blaming the voters for a Republic who voted no because they did not want the “minimalist” model foisted on them.
The articles are very plain.
Turnbull is taking a punt on Her Madge turning up her toes.
Chuck. Upchuck. Chuck the Cringe.
briefly @ #3013 Monday, January 1st, 2018 – 2:16 pm
Yep, with no day to day political participation.
Kind of like a GG or, as much as I hate to say it, a US President, actually use their power to override the legislature. 🙂
So, Japan has onshored the AEGIS system and is buying cruise missiles that can reach any part of NK.
How selfdefencement.
The hottest day in 12 months is forecast for this Saturday, with temperatures expected to rise to a sweltering 41 degrees across Melbourne.
I hope these 100 diesel powered generators brought in to replace Hazlewood are ready to go.
I do find it interesting how a republican can vote for the monarchy rather than a republic.
Taylormade @ #3029 Monday, January 1st, 2018 – 6:35 pm
Sure you’re not eager for them to fail …?
Rex
Simple. See articles posted.
Give Republican voters what they want to vote for. Not what politicians want them to vote for.
Guytaur
I am not blaming all voters just the republican ones that were stupid enough to vote “No”.
Boerwar says:
Monday, January 1, 2018 at 6:31 pm
Turnbull is taking a punt on Her Madge turning up her toes.
That is only a question of time.
Turnbull wants to affiliate himself with something other than the usual run of RW themes. Republicans have to hope he has some success. If the LNP resolve to oppose the Republic – to fight it all the way – then the project will not get off the ground anytime soon.
Things don’t look too good at Myer. Their main Canberra store in the city was advertised on their website to open from 10-4 today. My OH found it closed.
Their other store in Belconnen (slated for permanent closure later this year) was advertised to be closed today. Presumably someone compared the anticipated sales against the costs of opening. And don’t blame penalty rates!
Myer must be struggling in the current retail climate and they are obviously not the only ones. Something for Morrison’s thick skull to absorb.
JW
No you are saying that the voters were stupid. Its your sole opinion. Its wrong.
Republican voters want a directly elected President or why bother changing?
Thats why no won. The monarchists fooled the politicians into presenting an unpopular thus a losing model vote. That was a failure of the politicians for the Republic. Not any of the voters.
guytaur @ #3032 Monday, January 1st, 2018 – 6:38 pm
what ? like a republic ?
Rex
Iran is a Republic. I will take a Constitutional Monarchy over that any day.
Specious argument again.
Sorry I misquoted Beazley.
Correcting now
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jan/01/republic-model-paul-keating-malcolm-turnbull-1995-cabinet-papers
guytaur @ #3038 Monday, January 1st, 2018 – 6:43 pm
you’re comparing the Australian proposal to Iran ?
you reckon MY argument is specious ? 😆
guytaur @ #3032 Monday, January 1st, 2018 – 2:38 pm
Considering the debate is just starting up again, a large part of the electorate has not been through this debate before, so talk of what people want may be a little premature.
That’s where engaging and informing voters fully will be important.
Rex
The Republic of Finland says GGF
41 degrees on Sunday? Shit. And the owner next door has not mown his paddock yet.
Barney
Yes. However given the media we have now I doubt the ability of a fully informed debate on any issue.
The campaigning Murdoch press. Proudly proclaiming thats their role.
Not about accountability of power for the public at all.
Boerwar @ #3028 Monday, January 1st, 2018 – 6:34 pm
BW
I just finished Richard Mcgregor’s Book – “Asia’s Reckoning: China, Japan, and the Fate of U.S. Power in the Pacific Century” published in September 2017 that you might be interested in.
It’s absolutely fascinating. He is an Australian Journo who has been the Financial Times’s Beijing and Washington bureau chief.
A bit from the blurb on Amazon –
https://www.amazon.com/Asias-Reckoning-China-Pacific-Century/dp/0399562672
AFR carried this article just before the book was released –
http://www.afr.com/opinion/columnists/a-us-exit-would-release-old-nightmares-20170901-gy8nts
also
http://www.afr.com/opinion/columnists/xi-jingping-economic-path-ahead-for-chinas-disciplined-leader-remains-unclear-20171005-gyvfze
Editorial Reviews
Audiobook version here, need Winrar to unpack it –
https://rapidgator.net/file/648331c041a0a67c639a4cbea123d785/_Asias.rar.html
The so-called Republican minimalists were not willing to support the democratic model that the majority have wanted all along. I voted Yes, and I suppose I had the usual reservations about the direct election model. But this model is badly flawed. It is in any case misnamed. There is nothing minimalist about ejecting the crown from the system and replacing it with democracy.
My how things have changed when it comes to meeja presstitution …………….Not !
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Swinton_(journalist)