As related by The Guardian, Essential Research’s fortnight rolling average result for this week has Labor’s two-party lead at 53-47, down from 54-46 last week. As usual we will have to wait until Essential releases the full report later today for the primary votes.
On the same sex marriage survey, an excessive 86% report having voted, of whom 64% say they voted yes, 31% no, and the rest declining to answer. On the question of support for “an indigenous voice to parliament”, 45% expressed support with 16% opposed, while 47% expressed support for an indigenous treaty, with 16% opposed.
Also featured is the latest in the pollster’s semi-regular series on party attributes, with results similar to those from the previous outing in March. Even the Liberal Party’s rating as “divided” is unchanged at 68%, although it is down six points on being “too close to the big corporate and financial interests”, now at 65%. Labor’s biggest change looks to be a six point drop for “moderate”, to 52%. If I understand the report correctly, the Liberal Party is up six on this measure to 53%.
briefly @ #1553 Thursday, November 9th, 2017 – 7:50 pm
Utter rubbish again.
Many in the ‘ethnic community’ support the principle, if not the detail, of S44(i) and agree that MPs should be citizens of Australia only.
KayJay – I’m using Win10/Chrome.
Is your comment 1607 Zoomster’s post to Confessions starting “No, fess, it’s been that way for over twenty years. …’?
I’ve posted and used ‘reload ‘ a couple of times since but the gap persists.
I’ll try a ‘refresh’ and see what happens.
Dan Gulberry @ #1648 Thursday, November 9th, 2017 – 9:20 pm
Why is it always all about you?
Ides of March says:
Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 6:48 pm
If Mal refers LAB mps, im not sure if there would be enought support in the senate for Lab to refer Lib/Nat senators
Every losing candidate has an interest in the validity of the winner to stand. I don’t think it will need the senate to refer. If that be the case then Turnbull’s threat, if carried out is check; the next step is checkmate and Turnbull loses.
Dan,
I used to like Chiko Rolls. 🙁
No local government is not recognised in the constitution, that was yet another rational but failed referendum.
The history is here:
https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/BudgetReview201314/LocalGov
Also bludgers you can’t fight over S44 here – this is the war room.
(another Dr Strangelove quote).
I’ve never had a chiko roll.
BiGD / Dan
The ‘Chiko Roll’ is real Qld ‘on the road food’.
CTar1 @ #1652 Thursday, November 9th, 2017 – 9:25 pm
Gawd I haven’t had a chiko roll in yonks and had no idea they were still a thing.
Ah Qld, always there to remind us that numptyville never dies.
CTar1 @ #1630 Thursday, November 9th, 2017 – 7:30 pm
If you have C+ installed, and have blocked any posters (and they are logged in), then their posts and post numbers don’t show up at all, and the comment numbering just jumps over them to the next unblocked post number.
briefly @ #1575 Thursday, November 9th, 2017 – 8:08 pm
More hyperbole.
Any person eligible to vote can make themselves eligible to contest an election by renouncing any dual citizenship, putting themselves on an equal citizenship status with all other candidates.
Well, let me finish, Dmitri. Let me finish, Dmitri. Well, listen, how do you think I feel about it?
To my mind, a sensible reform option for the dual-citizen prohibition in s44 would be to replace it with a provision (probably as ordinary legislation in the Electoral Act) that any nomination must include the place of birth of the candidate and their parents, and any foreign citizenships known to be held.
That makes everything as transparent as possible; it is then up to the voters to decide if the candidate’s allegiance is in doubt.
In The circumstances of the case in. Sykes v Cleary did not require decisions to be made concerning matters such as: the ways in which s.44(i) can be brought before the High Court; who has standing to argue s.44(i) in certain circumstances
http://www.aph.gov.au/binaries/library/pubs/bp/1992/92bp29.pdf
Turnbull has played with matches once; it would seem he wants to try again.
Chiko Roll
I’ve never liked seafood, so when Mum proposed having a fish and chip night I would often have a chiko.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiko_Roll
zoomster @ #1607 Thursday, November 9th, 2017 – 8:35 pm
It goes back much longer than that, at least 50 years.
JM
No ‘blocking’ from me.
Using ‘refresh’ has now made the missing appear!
Poroti’s comment now 1606 –
I recall that I had to click on ‘load more’ a second time. It may have something to do with the end of ‘page’ i.e 1600 last of one ‘page’.
Anyway, no huge deal and surprised that I noticed at all.
I have C+ and I am logged in.
It does nothing.
No quote box etc
How do I fix it.
caf:
If we simply did away with S44i would the sky fall in as many here imagine?
And furthermore I’m open to a dialogue about reforming other S44 clauses as well, notably those pertaining to holding paid office, bankruptcy, and in some instances clause v.
Tweet –
I’d bet it’s the first phone call Rebekah Sharkie has ever received from Turnbull and this one a definite ‘F#ck off and die’ one!
CTar:
I’ve noticed that sometimes it takes a bit for comments to load with C+, and refreshing simply adds to the pain.
Local Councils are not legally regarded as Crown entities so s44 issue does not arise for Councillors.
daretotread @ #1490 Thursday, November 9th, 2017 – 9:47 pm
First refresh your browser – usually F5 key.
Then you need to check that C+ is enabled.
If you don’t know how to do that you will need to advise what system you are using and also whether Firefox or Chrome.
I’m okay with paid office so long as it’s terminated upon election. Frankly I find the work arounds illustrated here for the public service to be significantly more morally compromised than requiring termination upon election.
Ditto for any other indirect profit from the executive.
I’d also ban assumption of any such offices / arrangements after holding office for a reasonable period to ensure propriety.
daretotread @ #1669 Thursday, November 9th, 2017 – 9:47 pm
Is it enabled?
Have you done a reload?
Does this ‘Adam Gartrell’ guy think that the Pommie Civil Service will jump to attention and rush around to check the indexes and answer John Alexander’s request because ‘Adam Gartrell’ wants to know?
briefly @ #1562 Thursday, November 9th, 2017 – 7:08 pm
In the U.S. at least, that’s manifestly untrue. You’re eligible to vote from the age of 18. However you can’t run for the House until you’re 25. It’s 30 for the Senate, and the Presidency has a minimum age of 35.
For your promise to be fulfilled, the U.S. would have to deny anyone under the age of 35 the right to vote. However, my hunch is that it’s generally the case that people running for high office need to clear a higher bar than people who just want to vote in elections.
Asha Leu Thursday, November 9th, 2017 – 7:55 pm Comment #1552
“Has Turnbull lost his goddamn mind?” No, he’s the same dropkick that he’s always been.
Presumably he is expecting that this time doing the same stupid shit he always does won’t result in the same rolling clusterfuck it always does.
That qualifies as a form of insanity doesn’t it?
CTar1
Truffles not having a cat to hand made do with a Rebekah Sharkie.
All this time and no one has made a crack about Turnbull jumping the shark-ie?
KayJay and Bemused
Thanks..
not sure what I did but I now have the quote button and comment nis.
Wow!
bemused @ #1605 Thursday, November 9th, 2017 – 7:50 pm
You must be running an old version then.
CTar1 @ #1655 Thursday, November 9th, 2017 – 8:44 pm
It’s possible that the posts in question spent some time in the moderation queue. C+ can’t load any such posts until after they’re approved, and it won’t retroactively insert them without a page refresh.
KayJay @ #1661 Thursday, November 9th, 2017 – 8:57 pm
And also that the ‘Override HTML Comments’ option is checked.
We left it for you, Ides. 🙂
daretotread @ #1683 Thursday, November 9th, 2017 – 10:30 pm
You been the beneficiary of remote sensing and beneficence.
Please forward cash, jewels and portable valuables immediately to the Bemused/KayJay/Dodgy Triplets account care of … ♫Somewhere over the rainbow ♪♫
I read the SMH report of the responses between Shorten and Turnbull.
Turnbull didn’t say he would refer ALP MPs to the High Court.
Shorten asked if he would honor the long standing convention not to, in his response Turnbull replied wtte they he wouldn’t necessarily abide by it.
A small difference but it leaves Turnbull wiggle room. To me it doesn’t sound like a good way to get support from your opponent.
Turnbull may have said something else on referring ALP MPs since then.
Was solution ever found on how you can sign up to prevent comments showing up as posted anonymously?
A R – Tks
Turnbull is still back in his merchant banker days and thinks its just the art of the deal to fix his current predicament. Shorten is a very tough negotiator and I suspect is playing a long game. The ALP brains trust will be war gaming this on a daily basis ….
a r @ #1684 Thursday, November 9th, 2017 – 10:30 pm
I don’t think so. Running FireFox though, so is it a bit behind?
My last update was 6th Nov.
bemused @ #1691 Thursday, November 9th, 2017 – 9:58 pm
Shouldn’t be.
Edit: Yes, I can definitely edit on Firefox. Plugin version 0.8.8.
a r @ #1692 Thursday, November 9th, 2017 – 11:03 pm
OK, I will investigate further.
OK, I can edit!
I think I am usually too late to take advantage of the facility.
One moment…
Goodnight all.
What you’re looking for is this:
(you get a 5 minute grace period during which the post is editable; after that the button automatically disappears)
To be fair, Adam Gartrell has a point with his Tweet. Remember how quick we got an answer regarding Stephen Parry and his dual citizenship? He is clearly not having a go at the British Home office, he is saying they may well have provided an answer by now.
a r
I assume that you found that ‘code’ doesn’t work?
It’s a useful thing if you want to set out a ‘table’. A little fiddly but OK if you compose in a text editor and then paste it into the posting input box.
Musrum had the equivalent working for a while a couple of years ago on this blog as it was then.
I think it would be fun if the British Home Office published a CSV/spreadsheet in the form of:
…for all MP’s currently in Parliament. It’ll save them time, and there’s a strong ‘public interest’ angle besides.
Am I right in suspecting that Brian’s cunning plan is to drag out the dual citizen crisis (with Alexander’s help) until after the HC recesses for xmas and claim he cannot have a vote on SSM until the uncertainty around who is eligible to vote is sorted, therefore delaying the vote as long as he can?
Tom.