Newspoll and Nielsen: 54-46; Morgan: 53.5-46.5

Three more big-sample polls for those of you still wondering what the next three years might have in store. Alternatively, you could just wait a couple of hours.

The last of the major polls go as follows:

• A Newspoll survey conducted on Wednesday and Thursday from over 2500 respondents has Labor on 33%, the Coalition on 46% and the Greens on 9%, for a commanding Coalition lead of 54-46 on two-party preferred. Full breakdowns here.

• Nielsen concurs with Newspoll on both major parties’ primary votes in its poll of 1431 respondents conducted on Wednesday and Thursday, but has the Greens two points higher at 11%. Both The Age and the Sydney Morning Herald have exasperatingly declined to provide breakdowns, but from what I can gather from the printed copy, the poll has the Coalition ahead 56-44 in New South Wales and behind 51-49 in Victoria, while in Queensland Labor’s primary vote is on just 27% (under two Senate quotas, for those of you with an eye on that kind of thing).

• Morgan has a poll of 4937 respondents conducted by SMS, online and live interview phone polling which has Labor at just 31.5%, with the Coalition on 44%, the Greens on 10.5% and the Palmer United Party on 6.5%. This pans out to 53.5-46.5 on respondent-allocated preferences, but to 54.5-45.5 on the previous election preferences method used by Nielsen and Newspoll.

BludgerTrack has been updated with all of the above, and it continues to offer a rosier assessment for Labor than the betting markets in particular would suggest (though note that I’ve knocked on the head my idea of revising the preference model to grant Labor a bigger share of the Palmer United Party vote in Queensland, which has made two seats’ difference). As I’ve noted a number of times, this is mostly down to the consistent tendency of electorate-level polling to produce worse results for Labor than that national and statewide polling that are the bread and butter of BludgerTrack. To illustrate this point, and also for your general convenience, I offer below a complete listing to all such polls published during the campaign. Averages are also provided for the swings in each state, and by each pollster. What this suggests is that the automated phone polling by Galaxy, which has generally produced highly plausible results, has not been too far out of line with national polling, and it has generally offered highly plausible results. The live interview phone polling of Newspoll looks to have performed similarly, but that’s because its sample includes the unusual cases of New England and Lyne. Beyond that three automated phone pollsters who are relatively new to the game, and whose consistent findings of huge Coalition swings should accordingly be treated with caution.

Key: NP=Newspoll, RT=ReachTEL, Gal.=Galaxy, Lon.=Lonergan, JWS=JWS Research.

NEW SOUTH WALES
				N	ALP	L-NP	GRN	2PP	SWING
Dobell/RobertsonNP	13/8	505	35	50	8	46	-7
Lindsay		Lon.	14/8	1038	32	60	3	36	-15
Lyne		NP	14/8	504	26	51	7	41	+3
New England	NP	14/8	504	24	53	5	34	+1
Kingsford Smith	RT	15/8	610	38	47	10	48	-7
McMahon		RT	15/8	631	45	50	2	47	-11
Blaxland	RT	15/8	636	50	47	3	52	-10
Bennelong	RT	15/8	631	28	64	8	35	-12
Macquarie	JWS	15/8	710	35	51	8	45	-4
Lindsay		JWS	15/8	578	35	57	3	39	-12
Greenway	JWS	15/8	570	44	46	1	51	0
Banks		JWS	15/8	542	43	50	4	47	-4
Werriwa		Gal.	20/8	548	41	48	5	48	-9
Reid		Gal.	20/8	557	38	50	9	47	-6
Parramatta	Gal.	20/8	561	44	45	4	50	-4
Lindsay		Gal.	20/8	566	41	50	3	46	-5
Greenway	Gal.	20/8	585	45	46	3	49	-2
Barton		Gal.	20/8	551	44	44	9	52	-5
Banks		Gal.	20/8	557	40	47	6	48	-3
Barton		Gal.	20/8	575	44	44	9	52	-5
Banks		Gal.	20/8	575	40	47	6	48	-3
K-S/Page/E-M	NP	26/8	601	37	47	11	48	-7
ALP marginals*	NP	26/8	800	34	52	7	43	-9
McMahon		JWS	28/8	482	44	52	3	47	-11

Average swing								-6.1

* Parramatta/Reid/Banks/Lindsay/Greenway.								

VICTORIA
				N	ALP	L-NP	GRN	2PP	SWING
Deakin		RT	15/8	619	36	50	13	47	-4
Corangamite	RT	15/8	633	36	54	10	44	-6
Melbourne	RT	15/8	860	35	24	35
Indi		RT	15/8	611	18	47	6
Corangamite	JWS	15/8	587	36	48	10	47	-3
Aston		JWS	15/8	577	29	59	8	37	-12
La Trobe	Gal.	20/8	575	36	45	12	49	-3
Corangamite	Gal.	20/8	575	35	52	9	44	-6
Chisholm	Gal.	20/8	575	46	45	7	48	-8
ALP marginals*	NP	28/8	800	34	47	13	47	-4
McEwen		JWS	28/8	540	35	47	6	45	-14
Bendigo		JWS	28/8	588	40	40	9	51	-9

Average swing								-6.9

* La Trobe/Deakin/Corangamite								

QUEENSLAND
				N	ALP	L-NP	GRN	2PP	SWING
Griffith	RT	05/8	702	48	43	8	46	-12
Forde		RT	08/8	725	40	48	4	46	-2
Forde		Lon.	15/8	1160	34	56	4	40	-8
Forde		JWS	15/8	568	33	54	4	40	-8
Brisbane	JWS	15/8	607	36	50	9	46	-3
LNP marginals*	NP	20/8	1382	32	54	5	40	-8
Forde		NP	20/8	502	38	48	5	46	-2
Griffith	Lon.	21/8	958	38	47	11	48	-10
Griffith	NP	22/8	500	37	48	12	48	-10
Lilley		JWS	28/8	757	40	48	5	46	-7
Griffith	JWS	28/8	551	48	40	7	57	-1
Blair		Gal.	29/8	604	39	40	8	50	-4
Dawson		Gal.	29/8	550	34	48	4	43	-5
Griffith	Gal.	29/8	655	41	37	12	54	-4
Herbert		Gal.	29/8	589	36	47	6	45	-3
ALP marginals**	NP	30/8	800	38	42	8	49	-4

Average swing								-5.9

* Brisbane/Forde/Longman/Herbert/Dawson/Bonner/Flynn/Fisher
** Moreton/Petrie/Lilley/Capricornia/Blair/Rankin/Oxley								

WESTERN AUSTRALIA
				N	ALP	L-NP	GRN	2PP	SWING
Brand		Gal.	29/8	660	42	42	10	52	-1
Hasluck		Gal.	29/8	553	34	46	10	45	-4
Perth		Gal.	29/8	550	47	35	13	58	+2

Average swing								-1.2								

SOUTH AUSTRALIA
				N	ALP	L-NP	GRN	2PP	SWING
Hindmarsh	Gal.	22/8	586	41	44	10	50	-6
Wakefield	Gal.	26/8	575	44	35	7	55	-6
Adelaide	Gal.	29/8	571	40	39	12	54	-4

Average swing								-5.0

TASMANIA
				N	ALP	L-NP	GRN	2PP	SWING
Bass		RT	22/8	541	30	52	8	42	-15
Braddon		RT	22/8	588	36	51	4	43	-14
Denison		RT	22/8	563	19	24	11	
Franklin	RT	22/8	544	30	39	16	51	-10
Lyons		RT	22/8	549	30	47	11	44	-18
Bass		RT	03/9	659	28	54	10	41	-16

Average swing								-14.7

AVERAGE SWING BY POLLSTER
				N	 	 	 	 	SWING
Galaxy				22					-4.3
Newspoll			10					-4.7
JWS Research			13					-6.8
ReachTEL			16					-8.6
Lonergan			3					-11.3

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

973 comments on “Newspoll and Nielsen: 54-46; Morgan: 53.5-46.5”

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  1. Jackol
    [The Senate paper was a true chore to fill out below the line. I’ve always prided myself on taking care when voting, but getting from about preference 40 (which was about the last preference I felt even vaguely positive about) to 110 was … a donkey voting chore which I paid almost no attention to at all. That system has to be changed.]

    Yes, Antony Green wants it changed too, but how? Optional preferences is the obvious way, but that might open the door to the same for the HoR (and just one more step in the same direction is the more democratic optional voting). It’s unlikely both major parties would agree to that. Another suggestion is raising the bar to becoming registered as a candidate so there aren’t as many.

  2. [quote]34.From the looks of their website it seems Morgan will be doing rolling exit polls throughout the day.

    I get an ALP 2PP of 48.3 on those primary figures, so given previous exit polls’ bias and more pre-poll votes this time 54-46 looks about right.
    [/quote]

    It will certainly skew the results further right than indicate by the exit polls, but I’m not sure if it will skew them THAT far.

    Also, no results from WA yet which will skew the results further right

  3. I just voted in a BER school multipurpose facility at a local private school – looked fantastic much better than anything I’d ever had at a school. It will probably be about 66% liberal – the irony did not escape me.

  4. [Did all the pup htv cards end up preferencing alp near the bottom? Who was at number 2?]

    Not sure, but I do know that LNP were ahead of all HTV cards for PUP, and in most seats in QLD – the LNP candidate is above the Lab counterpart.

  5. Of course, I guess we’re going to get anecdotal interpretations of mood from people’s visit to the polling booths all day. “Oh the Labor HTV people looked happy and busy but the Lib ones didn’t!” “It’s clear everybody was eager to kick the government out!”

  6. Wal – I think we need to be really careful about any of these polls or exits – part of the reason why I’m not expecting the blow out is the polls are largely guessing where these preferences are flowing

  7. The deed which cannot be undone has been done!

    So on this lovely sunny day here in Melbourne all was pleasant but something was missing.

    Where was the photo of Tony Abbott.

    Are the Liberals unable or unwilling or maybe the camera broke while taking the photo to show his lovely face.

    The ALP had a photo of Kevin as i suspect they would have had a photo of Gillard.

  8. [ Did all the pup htv cards end up preferencing alp near the bottom? Who was at number 2? ]
    Didn’t see a PUP htv but the ALP’s had PUP at number 2.
    I love our local voting booth the old Lib lady was looking as bored and lonely as usual 🙂

  9. I shall make my predictions:

    House of Reps:
    LNP: 89 seats
    ALP: 58 seats
    Oth: 3 seats: Katter, Wilkie, Bandt.

    2PP: LNP 52.9% ALP 47.1%

    I hope this is plausible. The truth is I don’t really follow politics very closely any more and don’t really know what I’m talking about.

  10. zoidlord 643 – great launch. I didn’t even realise they launched orbital stuff from there on the Virginia coast. One of my uncles saw a night launch – Apollo 17 I think – and said it was really spectacular.

  11. [I hope this is plausible. The truth is I don’t really follow politics very closely any more and don’t really know what I’m talking about.]

    You are in very good company here.

  12. Carey:

    Thanks for posting your predictions on the election.

    The only question I have is Eden Monaro, where Kelly is reportedly a popular local member.

    But, when the swing is on, it’s on.

  13. From what I saw and heard from Rudd in the campaign it “seemed to me” that at times he sounded a bit fake. Other times more natural. Not as polished as 2007.

  14. Yeah it looks a touch closer than the final major polls had it, even factoring in pre polls. Low 53. Does depend a lot on unknown pref flows of course.

  15. mexicanbeemer

    Interesting about the lack the mad monk’s ugly mug, it was the same at the booth I went to. The only photos of him were in “If he wins. You lose.” posters. Lots of Kevin posters

  16. confessions, my feeling is that EM will be close, but Kelly will not quite hold on.

    [All I want out of this election is for Sarah Hanson Young to lose her senate spot.]

    The Greens were trotting out some numbers saying she’s polling 17% yesterday. I’m sticking to my commitment to eat my hat if she polls that.

  17. [confessions
    Posted Saturday, September 7, 2013 at 1:36 pm | PERMALINK
    Carey:

    Thanks for posting your predictions on the election.

    The only question I have is Eden Monaro, where Kelly is reportedly a popular local member.]

    Mike Kelly is a great member, but we toss good members regardless of party.

  18. Hello all. Just back from my local polling booth in Sturt. Everyone was remarkably polite, despite a longish queue at times. Liberal staffers and banners greatly outnumbered Labor ones, and judging by acceptance of HTV cards, Pyne will be easily returned.

    The SA Senate paper was laughably long. More a toilet roll than a tablecloth. People were making jokes about it. The Senate process MUST be reformed, or both major parties will lose more primary votes. Whether it is their fault or not, they will get blamed for it.

  19. [All I want out of this election is for Sarah Hanson Young to lose her senate spot.]

    I thought that’s what I wanted – she is the most irritating, self-righteous, horrible example of the unreconstructed left imaginable – but there has been something about her underdog campaign against that populist wanker Xenophon which has me secretly wanting her to win, even if I know it will mean another 6 years of having to turn my radio off every time her voice comes on.

  20. Triton – agree the Senate paper was a chore. The person giving it to me said to fill above or below the line, and I said “or both” and they said “Oh we can’t tell people that!”

    There were just so many people I wanted to put last it did my brain in, so I sort of lost interest, but right near the end of the ballot I saw the CEC, and so they had to be 96 and 97. And I put an “above the line” in as well for insurance in case I stuffed up!

  21. Voting in Wentworth, no pics of either Kevin’s mug or Tony’s mug (or Christine’s!) … just lots of Malcolm, and a few of Di (the ALP candidate) and the Greens Candidate for Wentworth and the Senate.

  22. Whilst i do have Edan-Monaro as a Liberal gain but if Kelly has done a good job at local level which is a bit hard to tell from here but if he has and the same applies to seats like Page and Richmond the swing may be less than the Sydney swing.

    Another small factor which may spill over is the situation in Indi for voters might say well Kelly is good, we don’t want someone that might be like Sophie.

  23. I think what Antony Green has said is that you should be able to write preferences above the line (which would flow down each group). I used to wonder how the “ungrouped independents” would fit in, but I suppose you could slo number them, in any case there were only 2 on the Vic ballot as people have realised the real power is in setting up a few “microparties”. Also, do these have to be registered parties with 500 members?

    And I can’t stand the groups who won’t even declare themselves to be “Nazis for a wetter Mars” or whatever, and knowing one of those people in an “anonymous” column wants me to put them even lower.

  24. ltep:

    I’d love kelly to hang on, but suspect it will also be swept away.

    Agree re SHY too. I don’t accept 17% figures for her either.

  25. Jackol

    Traveling around Kooyong it all seems to be about Josh which is understandable as he has been an active local MP just a pity he backed Tone in the leadership ballot.

  26. Bludgertrack has NSW swinging 4.0%, which means that there must be somewhere swinging less than that. I’m guessing Eden-Monaro will be one of the places where Labor gets a below-average swing, so he might well hang on even if the NSW swing is a bit above that.

  27. Allocating preferences above the line would be a good compromise.

    One way of getting around the ungrouped would be to only need to allocate preferences for the number of spots available.

  28. [Triton – agree the Senate paper was a chore. The person giving it to me said to fill above or below the line, and I said “or both” and they said “Oh we can’t tell people that!”

    There were just so many people I wanted to put last it did my brain in, so I sort of lost interest, but right near the end of the ballot I saw the CEC, and so they had to be 96 and 97. And I put an “above the line” in as well for insurance in case I stuffed up!]

    What a lot of self-indulgent wankery. Just put the 1 in the box you want, and let someone else use the goddam pencil.

  29. Just voted in Reid.
    The mood of the labor HTV people was grim yet realistic.
    I wished the comrades the best of luck and had a snag on the way out.

  30. I have lost it – reading the CEC website! And guess what, we should have our own space program, aiming for the Moon and Mars. And all those right-wingers funnelling preferences to the CEC would be a bit disturbed to find that rather than avid monarchists, the CEC believe that the British Royal Family are the devils incarnate and behind all the “classic” conspiracy theories! (sorry, not theories, world conspiracies)

  31. re indications at polling booths
    __________________
    a lifetime of handing out ALP HTV cards has taught me that
    the public response to same is NO INDICATION OF ANYTHING

    THE MOOD.THE DAY THE TYPE OF VOTERS…ALL CAN MISLEAD AND ANY ATTEMPT TO GAUGE THE VOTE IS AN EXERCISE IN FUTILITY

    though Morgan’s exit polls may be interesting…anything else as an indicator…forget it !

  32. GhostWhoVotes ‏@GhostWhoVotes 19s

    #Morgan Poll – Exit Poll (2PM update) Primary Votes: ALP 34.5 L/NP 42 GRN 10.5 PUP 5.5 #ausvotes

  33. “@firstdogonmoon: Furniture saved! RT @GhostWhoVotes: #Morgan Poll – Exit Poll (2PM update) 2 Party Preferred: ALP 48 L/NP 52 #ausvotes”

  34. [Stephen Spencer ‏@sspencer_63 1h
    Exit polls obviously can’t include the 2.5 million early votes. 1.5 million pre-polls will be counted tonight but 1 million postals not.]

    [Peter Brent ‏@mumbletwits 1h
    @sspencer_63 They can. They’re not literally “exit”. In fact Morgan has already been polling early voters.]

  35. pithicus@663

    From what I saw and heard from Rudd in the campaign it “seemed to me” that at times he sounded a bit fake. Other times more natural. Not as polished as 2007.

    I don’t think Rudd changed. I think more people just saw through him the second time round.

  36. From those exit polls remembering the weighting factor control of the Senate looks more likely to be BOP of Greens and Labor than a bunch of Independents.

  37. It’s funny about the lack of pics of the 2 leaders, and goes to show what a … screwball election this has been.

    The entire election has been about the leaders. The Kevin/Julia/Kevin show has ensured the ALP campaign was all about Kevin. The LNP have just lined up behind Tony.

    And yet neither are considered an ‘adornment’ to the on-the-ground advertisements at the polling booths.

    You’ve got to laugh.

  38. Lol – we know what an exit poll entails – thanks mumbles…

    MB – I never did see 100 seats – even 90 was pushing it for me..

    Some intel I have suggests that the Libs in Victoria are very much of the view that the swing there will be a lot smaller than expected – but that the swing in QLD could be a little bigger.

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