The Australian reports the latest fortnightly Newspoll is unchanged at 55-45, from primary votes of 32% for Labor (steady), 46% for the Coalition (down two) and 10% for the Greens (down one). Gillard is up two on approval to 30% and down two on disapproval to 60%, while Abbott is up one and down one to 36% and 53%. Abbott’s lead as preferred prime minister is up slightly, from 40-37 to 40-35.
Also out today:
• The weekly Essential Research records no change on last week on voting intention, with the Coalition leading 55-45 on two-party preferred from primary vote of 34% for Labor, 48% for the Coalition and 9% for the Greens. The poll also finds 51% thinking Australia made the wrong decision going to war against Iraq against 23% for the right decision; support for same sex marriage at 54% and opposition at 33%; and 68% supporting the Gonski report recommendations against 13% opposed, but 43% opposed to the government’s specific plan against 40% in support.
• The Morgan multi-mode poll has Labor up half a point to 32.5%, the Coalition down 2.5% to 44% (their weakest result since this series began eight weeks ago) and the Greens steady on 10.5%. That pans out to 54.5-45.5 on respondent-allocated preferences (down from 55.5-44.5), which Morgan prefers, and 54-46 on previous election preferences (down from 56-44), which I and every other pollster prefer. The sample this time around was 3270.
[Go to bed Mod Lib, you’ve thoroughly discredited yourself here tonight.]
🙂
OMD!
I am not at all ready to get up at say 4.00am to wash my hair, find something to wear, look as freshly groomed as Leigh for once for her pre recorded, collect my Altzheimer afflicted friend from the nursing home at 5.30 for the Dawn Service. Perhaps I should have spent less time cooking dinner, yum.
Stop tempting me, Pollbludger.
The repetitive responses of the right-wingers tell me that they are the type of people who would use BOTH sides of the toilet paper………..TWICE!
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/hizb-ut-tahrir-publishes-opinion-piece-urging-islamic-australians-not-to-participate-in-anzac-day-celebrations/story-e6freuy9-1226628745674
”It suggests those who fought at Gallipoli were part of a military “failure”.” – Correct
””Further, the ‘Anzac spirit’ is more mythology than history. It ignores indiscretions by the ANZAC soldiers such burning the belongings of locals in Egypt, brawling, getting drunk and rioting, and contracting venereal diseases due to time spent in local brothels.” – correct
””It ignores the fact that Australian troops were merely used as fodder for British imperial designs. It sanitizes all the bad to surgically create a mythological legend worthy of celebration,” – Correct.
I posted some quotes on Face book the other day such as “”Gallipoli achieved nothing. All those young Australians died in vain.” and was hit up by friends hoping they were not my words as they were clearly wrong. I happily informed them that the words were not my own… they were the words of a Gallipoli veteran.
[So is the Aussie $ going to stay high or plummet as Centre tells us?]
I’ll let you know 15 September anno autem.
[”Further, the ‘Anzac spirit’ is more mythology than history. It ignores indiscretions by the ANZAC soldiers such burning the belongings of locals in Egypt, brawling, getting drunk and rioting, and contracting venereal diseases due to time spent in local brothels.”]
I seem to recall such things being covered rather adequately in Peter Weir’s Gallipoli, which I imagine to be most Australians’ substantial entry point to the subject.
@1156,
Tony Abbott would have said:
“Boys will be boys!”
“Shit happens!”
On the other hand, Rummel.
I am disgusted at the still pervasive jingoistic influence of Howard. It is not certain to me that the people flocking to my usual choice, the Brighton Jetty, are necessarily attending for the true reasons.
Whatever, I am attending in honour of my friend at his local RSL, where I am confident that the losses and service will be properly honoured.
I dont have a problem with ANZAC day and think its a mighty day of remembrance for those who have paid the ultimate sacrifice in Battle. But when should we remember the wrongs committed by out troops and the victims left behind?…….. the sound of silence.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvsX03LOMhI
rummel@1126
Jackol, stop giving rummel funny ideas!
Diog – I doubt anyone knows.
It does seem like mining investment will progressively dry up in the next few years and at some point there will be a tipping point where the withdrawal of foreign investment will result in the AUD falling.
Once the expectation that the AUD will stay high is broken I think it’ll drop quickly.
What state Australian exporters are in at that point who knows. The RBA seems to think they are adjusting without just being wiped out, and manufacturing hasn’t collapsed eg so maybe they’re right.
Still, the transition from the high mining investment environment to lack of that investment is going to be a shock to the economy.
It’ll be bumpy.
[crikey whitey
Posted Wednesday, April 24, 2013 at 9:50 pm | PERMALINK
On the other hand, Rummel.
I am disgusted at the still pervasive jingoistic influence of Howard. It is not certain to me that the people flocking to my usual choice, the Brighton Jetty, are necessarily attending for the true reasons.]
On that Crikey, i totally agree……….
We may as well park a Carnival cruse ship on the beach at ANZAC cove in 2015.
Dave @1147
Actually, that is exactly what they meant. I know that is what YOU don’t want it to mean but such is life.
persistent deficits = risk of losing AAA. Spin it, wrap it, torture it. Do whatever you want with it. Everyone else knows what they meant except you who is hung up on exact wording. Not sure why unless you feel personally threatened. It was a direct warning to Swanny and other possible future governments.
Unfortunately you can’t get away with 3 word sentences/answers and calling someone a liar because you can’t read between the lines. But, anyway, glad you played. It was fun. I am sure you have trolling to do elsewhere.
Re those who supported the Iraq War..ten years ago..and some who opposed it in the USA
An Anzac Day thought___________________________________
A US writer looks at those who wanted ,bayed like dogs for,,,war with Iraq,,in 2003..and how they were all wrong and what the consequences for the US have been
Jon Utley…a conservative writer…was none the less against Bush and the push for war;which had the support of the neo-cons/the religious Right(“God wanted it ” as one said)the Zionists( war was what “Israel wanted.”..but then they always do) .the military- industries and the neo-con strategists who thought a war would make the power of the US Empire absolute after the collapse of the USSR
and they were all wrong !! as Utley shows.. and they now try to make us forget or lie to us about their policies…as do Howard and those who supported him here
An interesting piece from an anti-war US conservative…as I try to recall if there were any such here in Oz..or did they all run after Howard like the pack of war dogs they are
…and the same crew are now trying for another war ..this time with Iran
as the old Dietrich song said..”When will they ev”
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-untold-story-of-the-conservatives-against-war/
zoomster @1150
I don’t disagree with what you have said but I think it is a but naive to think that women only vote on substance rather than a gender bias. I have heard plenty of discussion about this and inevitably a number of women always “support” Gillard because she is the first female prime-minister. I agree it shouldn’t be just like that but I think we underestimate the power of gender bias. Otherwise why will Gillard spend so much time with female bloggers when she went to Western Sydney rather that meet and greet the people who actually lived there. She know her female gender can be exploited both with the people she corrals but also the negative efforts to undermine her opponent. Not necessarily the wrong thing to do but still …
[I seem to recall such things being covered rather adequately in Peter Weir’s Gallipoli, which I imagine to be most Australians’ substantial entry point to the subject.]
WB
The heated penny sticks in my mind the most.
Rommel
‘We may as well park a Carnival cruse ship on the beach at ANZAC cove in 2015’.
We pretty well do. Thanks to the influence.
Morpheus
One thing is reality. The other is forecast.
The track record of the Labor government getting AAA ratings and World’s Best Treasurer says Labor are better economic managers than the LNP.
So my reality trumps your forecast even if that forecast is by the ratings agencies. A forecast warning what will happen if bad economic management happens.
That means they are warning against an LNP Government as the runs on the board prove Labor are the better economic managers.
morpheus@1163
So now you hold yourself out to say what what S&P ‘meant’.
What utter nonsense.
Nowhere in the S&P release do they say –
[they will be lucky to hold on to the ratings. ]
You just made that up.
[morpheus
Posted Wednesday, April 24, 2013 at 9:53 pm | Permalink
Unfortunately you can’t get away with 3 word sentences/answers ….. you can’t read between the lines. ]
There we have it – you made it up – you – *read between the lines* to make it say what you wanted.
But you still cannot show where they said –
[ they will be lucky to hold on to the ratings. ]
because they didn’t say that 🙂
7:30 wasn’t really worth waiting around for was it? Although Abbott seems to have come out about an unhealthy obsession with running a surplus regardless.
Having lots of fun today with the Liberal Party state director Sam McQuestin’s thuggish attempt to compel a candidate in the LegCo election to stop calling himself an “Independent liberal”. I’ve seen the letter now, it’s very funny. Apparently there’s a colour that they think they have intellectual rights to called “Liberal Blue”.
http://kevinbonham.blogspot.com.au/2013/04/what-is-independent-liberal.html
What is an independent liberal?
morpheus
[I don’t disagree with what you have said but I think it is a but naive to think that women only vote on substance rather than a gender bias…]
Save yourself the accusation of sexism (this DOES sound a bit patronising!) by making it
“that people only vote on substance rather than gender bias’
and I’ll happily agree with you.
You will note I gave you two examples of politicians who appealed to MEN because they exemplified qualities that appealed to men — and an example of a woman who women are unlikely to vote for, for the opposite reasons.
We are attracted to people who are like us (as is demonstrated time and time again through studies of happily married couples…the latest one I’ve heard is that autopsies on couples who were happily married for decades prior to their deaths showed they have the same sized pancreas!!) – and repelled by people who aren’t.
That’s just human.
As I said, I highly doubt that a woman who says she’s voting for Julia Gillard because she’s supporting the first woman Prime Minister is that superficial. A woman who places a high value on gender politics is likely to be a progressive anyway. A party which elects a woman to a leadership position is thus more likely to align with her values than one that doesn’t, and therefore she was probably going to vote for it anyway.
guytaur @1168
WOW, you really suck at trying to spin Swanny’s bullshit.
The reality is that due to inaccurate forecasting the budget will be in deficit rather then the “we cannot fail” surplus. It might come as a massive shock to you but forecasting is at the core of ensuring spending is contained within parameters of expected income. In this case it seems it is shit-in-shit-out. The income has not fallen as Gillard and Swanny will make you believe. It just didn’t jump up to the exaggerated predictions. Smart government ensures they don’t spend every since cent they have before they actually get the money. All spin now from Swanny/Wrong/Gillard just reveals their desperation. One minute surplus good, next minute its an evil evil coalition plot. Make up your friggin mind.
You might also want to do a bit of reading on the publication which awarded Swanny his medal for not completely farking up the economy despite having cash to splash. Don’t worry. I would rather the ALP win the next election just to see the expression on Swanny’s face when he realises all the crap he has promised he WILL have to fund and not give us another 5 years of deficits and risk losing the AAA which he so gloriously inherited.
So you might have your reality, but that is all it is. You obviously won’t be one of the contributors to Swanny’s debt colletion agency.
http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2013/s3744835.htm
so tony thinks lowering the tax threshold and taking away the school bonus and may be other compensation is a
smart move,
must be dreaming
and just how many would be leaders would have a pre recorded interview this is not man that is leader ship
material.
as you self, how could he possible mix it with world leaders and what if there is a crisis of some type
how could he do an interview if he cannot even manage one on 7.30 report
no not leadership material at all let alone PM
[7:30 wasn’t really worth waiting around for was it?]
It confirmed the Mark Scott – LNP relationship.
morpheus
I am spinning nothing. The AAA rating and Worlds Best Treasurer awards are facts. That is not spin.
One might conclude from evidence that rating agencies do not know their arses from their elbows but they are the current Vroomfondels on economies.
Keven Donnelly, the News/Liberal resident education ideologist believes Australia’s military history should be taught more in schools.
I agree
We should include death, amputation, rape, murder, death by disease and starvation, post traumatic stress, the daily lived stress and fear, alcohol and drug abuse, psychosis.
Keven Donnelly, the News/Liberal resident education ideologist believes Australia’s military history should be taught more in schools.
I agree
We should include death, amputation, rape, murder, death by disease and starvation, post traumatic stress, daily lived stress and fear, alcohol and drug abuse, psychosis, poverty.
Not to mention the politics and economics of it all.
TONY ABBOTT: We’ve already said that there are certain commitments that this government has made that we won’t go ahead with. We won’t go ahead with the so-called Schoolkids Bonus because that’s a cash splash with borrowed money with nothing to do with education. We won’t be proceeding with the superannuation low income offset because it’s funded by the mining tax, which is raising no money. We will, by natural attrition, reduce the size of the Commonwealth public sector payroll, because that’s 20,000 more now than it was in 2007. That’s about $4 billion over the forward estimates. We won’t have $6.5 billion worth of border protection blowouts because we will change policy to stop the boats. So, I think there’s plenty out there, Leigh.
http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2013/s3744835.htm
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the interview sounded very scripted I would like to ask him was their a prompter behind the curtain u k now like when you do a stage show
gee it looked like it was rehearsed,
excuse me but how does one get rid of 200000
public servants by them just leaving,
how many years would that take
glad I am not a commonwealth public servant,
the axe could fall any day , poor sods
well at least that’s another million vote s lost
is he so on him self that he thinks he can say things like that and people just shrug their shoulder and say
o well tone ok,,, u know best
b s
military history should be left where it is
in history books in libraries for old people to read.
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no flag waving from me I can you
disagree I hope every one waited up for it
to see what failure of pm he would be
and also you lose your school bonus the threshold goes down that mean you pay high taxes
only a fool would vote lnp
Just watched Borgen SBS political drama about Denmarks first woman PM…..very interesting….
[reduce the size of the Commonwealth public sector payroll, because that’s 20,000 more now than it was in 2007]
As an percentage increase, how does that compare with the increase in the overall Aust population?
fictional….could have been written here
What an ugly place this is this evening.
A special ugliest prize for the dim smug and nasty Morpheus. Boats! Debt! Lib talking points! Never mind the evidence, here’s the bollocks.
MM,
It takes all kinds.
Try stfu below the reply box.
[Lib talking points! ]
It’s funny that no-one complains about Labor talking points…
Good Night
Diog,
[It’s funny that no-one complains about Labor talking points…]
News Ltd and their paid politicians do nothing but.
Dio #1190 the same thought just went through my mind. Somehow Lib talking points are evil compared to Lab talking points.
Ducky
[News Ltd and their paid politicians do nothing but.]
That’s just a Labor talking point. 😉
If that fake tweet led to $200B being wiped off the US stock market, just imagine how much money the tweeter could have made if he set himself up to take advantage of the brief crash.
[FarQU
Posted Wednesday, April 24, 2013 at 10:35 pm | PERMALINK
Keven Donnelly, the News/Liberal resident education ideologist believes Australia’s military history should be taught more in schools.
I agree
We should include death, amputation, rape, murder, death by disease and starvation, post traumatic stress, the daily lived stress and fear, alcohol and drug abuse, psychosis.]
I agree
guytaur @1177
Learn to read a post first then get back to me.
Marrickville Mauler @1188
Did I interrupt your ALP love-in ? High fives and pats on back for the person who can mention “monkey” the most. That’s the thanks I get for breaking up the same inane crap that keeps on getting reposted by the same self absorbed left wing devotees. Gillard good , monkey bad .. See I can play too..
Hmmmm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPChFKZ6f9w
Poor choice of words Dio.
morpheus
Posted Wednesday, April 24, 2013 at 11:24 pm | PERMALINK
guytaur @1177
Learn to read a post first then get back to me.
Marrickville Mauler @1188
Did I interrupt your ALP love-in ? High fives and pats on back for the person who can mention :monkey: the most. That’s the thanks I get for breaking up the same inane crap that keeps on getting reposted by the same self absorbed left wing devotees. Gillard good , :monkey: bad .. See I can play too..
Im sure this is what you ment morpheus 🙂