Newspoll has given NSW Labor another thing to think about with its latest bi-monthly poll of state voting intention. The figures on voting intention are almost entirely identical to last time, it being impossible for Labor to go any lower: 25 per cent on the primary vote to 46 per cent for the Coalition and 14 per cent for the Greens (down two), translating into a two-party Coalition lead of 61-39. However, Kristina Keneally’s approval ratings are headed south: down eight points on approval to 39 per cent, and up seven on disapproval to 44 per cent. Barry O’Farrell’s approval is down a point to 43 per cent and his disapproval is steady on 33 per cent, but he has achieved parity with Keneally as preferred premier on 39 per cent.
I love the things oakeshott is saying. Like sure, I would love to see the breakdown of party discipline.
But come on Oakeshott, it’s time to get back to reality.
Oops wrong thread for the above.
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/after-julia–its-the-real-kristina-20100825-13rdi.html
Keneally signalling the start of her fightback.
8% Labor vote on the SMH online poll.
Real Keneally?
Actually she is a communist russian spy, not a US gal?
Or she was once known as Carman Lawrence and Kirnot in Melbourne and she and Anna Bligh is the same person
NSW Labor could potentially use the 2011 NSW state campaign to experiment with new, cheap (they wont have much money) forms of electoral strategies.
Most experiments will fail, but little real cost – they are going to lose anyway. Good way to learn in a real live situation, techniques that could be used subsequently
[She said that by being honest about the government’s chances next March, she was ignoring advice that she blame the poor Newspoll result on a disastrous federal campaign for Labor.]
Who advised her to blame the federal campaign for the Newspoll result? These results have been that way for months and yet the people advising her always try to find some excuse for the bad polling. The NSW ALP can only dream to get the same result as the federal ALP got.
What I can’t figure out is why she doesn’t take the opportunity right now to clean out the swill at Sussex Street. Anyone who is still giving their primary to the ALP now is not going to take umbrage — quite the reverse I should think.
If it looked to people that the long overdue house-cleaning was well in train by March and the ALP was headed in a new more positive direction — as evidenced by new more progressive policies, there is the possibility that the carnage might not be as great.
Even if it were just as great though, they would at least have cleaned house, could take their lumps (losing a whole bunch of tossers in the process) and begin rebuilding as something else.
If the election were winnable, one could see an argument for waiting, but right now every MP on less than about 15% ought to be feeling more than a tad nervous. There’s everything to gain and nothing to lose.
Fran
The problem is she is part of the Swill
She is the puppet of Obeid and Tripoli, if she made a move on them …. like Iemma ….. off with her head
“Off with her head”, but so what?
She might as well go down fighting the Machine that everyone hates. At best, it might turn things around a bit for her. At worst, they knife her and some other poor schmuck has to carry the can for the 2011 smashing.
Keneally is not a puppet of Obeid and Tripodi, she is a collaborator. She would have no interest in moving against them, her only job is to try and save the furniture, but she might fail at even that.
[She might as well go down fighting the Machine that everyone hates.]
She is part of the Machine.
Yeah, but she might as well pretend not to be….. Do a Nathan Rees and suddenly take a “principled” stand.
All
What do you think about another election asap. I think governing for either side with the independents will be hopeless. Are both sides broke? Can they afford another campaign?
Gixxer Man@62
This thread is about NSW politics. You probably want to head over to here.
Is the 61-39 figure factoring in exhausted votes? It is optional preferential in state elections. I think it could be bigger. How big?
sireggo
At the by Penrith byelection preference count, on the last exclusion, the Greens’ 5221 votes were distributed:
ALP 1206
Libs 862
Exhaust 3153
Query if this exhaustion was part of voter pretty much traditional ALP supporters, who could not stomach voting for ALP, but nor could they take the leap to the Liberals
http://www.elections.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0011/68708/Final_Preferential_Count.pdf
its deck chairs on the Titanic in NSW, in all honesty after so many years in power what can you do? you will always face the age of time.
lol i am in VIC by the way, i might add that i think the State govt here is facing a result not as poor however i think they are done for too.
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/keneally-blames-mps-for-her-falling-popularity-20100825-13s8a.html?autostart=1
It is Kevin Rudd’s fault
It is the other MP’s Fault
The Blame shifting for next March loss has started
>>NSW Labor could potentially use the 2011 NSW state campaign to experiment with new, cheap (they wont have much money) forms of electoral strategies.
Or to put it another way try to implement what has already been done by The Greens for years.
However the ALP will fail because they:
– are corrupt
– are self centred
– are only interested in power for power’s sake
– don’t actually have any policies based on a coherent philosophy
– have fewer members with any sort of intellectual capacity than even in 2007
Keneally is playing the blame game. She says her fall in popularity is solely down to the bad behaviour of her MP’s and is not down to her.
However, she continues to root for Walt Secord for the Upper House vacancy. What kind of message does that send to electors about the type of woman she really is ?
Keneally blames MPs for her falling popularity
It’s the real NSW Right Wing culture – never accept responsibility for anything- at work again.
Look at Bitar and Arbib – the mess in federal politics is not their fault.
These Right Wings scumbags are clowns.
@67
Nah, I think Brumby will get back in again. It’ll be our version of NSW 2007: ageing government gets back in thanks to lacklustre Opposition.
2014 might be our “baseball bat” election based on the trend of NSW and Qld.
I suppose that the dumping of Nathan Rees was really a dry run for the dumping of Rudd (and just as dopey, in my opinion). Rees was someone who really looked like he had the sort of commitment and endurance needed to rebuild the party’s image in this state. Probably wouldn’t have beaten Fattie, but he might have pulled a few into the lifeboats But the NSW Right obviously doesn’t think strategically. It’s all tactics.
Now the gloss has gone off the Barbie Premier the wheels are really going to come off.
No 72
Lol Rosa. Rees was no Rudd. He managed the impossible feat of looking consistently imbecilic.
Morris Iemma would probably have fared a little better as he had already won an election and had runs on the board. But, given the endless incompetence of his ministry and backbench, I find it difficult for him to be in any sort of winning position in 2011 had he
Stayed on
I reckon Kenealy’s a hottie.
Mack the knife
and you, along with all the other stupid people, are why Labor put KKK in as premier in the first place
Ummm, lets vote for Keneally, so we can drool at her
Mack
She’s a PV mate. The only time that one got hot and sweaty was whilst blowing a few hundred million on World Roman Catholic Yoof Day and getting a few photo ops with the pope,
[She’s a PV mate.]
a PV?
Had Rees managed to stay on, especially after the speech he did which put it in no uncertain terms, had would of been given cart blanche to do whatever he likes to the fractions.
Alas..
[ I reckon Kenealy’s a hottie.
]
Let me just tell you a conversation I had the other day with a former rusted on Labor voter. He lives in the Waterloo area, which is part of Keneally’s electorate of Heffron, and has a huge number of Housing Department (apparently now rebadged as the Department of Human Resources) tenants. Apparently a meeting was called some years ago, to discuss housing issues. He was waiting outside for the meeting to start. In his own words:-
I saw this woman coming towards the door. I thought to myself “Whats this rich bitch doing coming to our meeting?”. Turns out it was Keneally. She spoke to the meeting in a fake American accent. A young aboriginal guy asked her a question. After she finished, he stood up and walked out of the meeting all the while yelling “Lies, all bloody lies”. Now she is Premier. She has nothing in common with us. I couldn’t give a stuff about how good looking she is”
Until I spoke with that man I thought Keneally was impregnable in Heffron. Now I think there is a possibility she will become part of Labor’s wreckage in 2011.
With all respect PY, I reckon that’s a Kentucky Fried Rat right there.
I don’t know Keneally but I know people who know her well, including someone who used to work for her in her junior ministry, and they all say that whatever people say of Keneally that she’s straight forward and an absolute professional.
* Your assertion that her accent is ‘fake’ is bizarre.
* Housing Department is called Housing NSW and tenants are Housing NSW tenants.
* That a guy who labels a stranger a ‘rich bitch’ would chose to have ‘stood up and walked out of the meeting all the while yelling “Lies, all bloody lies”‘ I would argue says far more about him than Keneally.
I’m not here to stick up for anyone, but I am getting well sick of your misrepresentations and BS. You just seem to have some wierd vendetta against this one lady in particular. It’s very unhealthy. Time for a Chamomile perhaps?
The ALP is headed for an absolute disaster of their own making in NSW.
I am considering voting Liberal for the first time in my life as I live in the seat of Canterbury and expect that my ALP MP will win. And to think I would ever vote against a leftie Aboriginal woman – says everything.
I want them all out, I am so disappointed and feel so betrayed by a party that has done nothing but fight over spoils.
The only way I may not do this is if Joe Tripodi is not standing.
I have asked everyone to tell me one good thing the ALP government here in NSW devised, planned, started, completed. The ONLY response I ever got was “reform of TAFE”.
In about the same period of government (16 years) two ALP WA governments created two major railway projects.
Hamish – #81 (4.26pm)
Hamish – You need to take more care before shooting off your mouth.
[ Your assertion that her accent is ‘fake’ is bizarre.]
I did not assert that. The person who spoke to me asserted that. His assertion was bizarre. I assume he doesn’t realise she actually was a yank.
[ That a guy who labels a stranger a ‘rich bitch’ would chose to have ’stood up and walked out of the meeting all the while yelling “Lies, all bloody lies”‘ I would argue says far more about him than Keneally. ]
No. You need to read more carefully before commenting. The guy that called her a “rich bitch” did not storm out of the meeting yelling “lies”. He observed a young aboriginal guy storming out of the meeting yelling “lies”.
[ but I am getting well sick of your misrepresentations and BS. ]
There is no misrepresentation and BS in what I reported. It is a direct quote with words to the effect of what the guy told me. You need to understand I was not representing what the guy told me was true, but merely reporting what he said. Even if what he told me was all BS – it shows a significant attitudinal change in people who were former Labor voters towards the person who currently holds the position of Premier of NSW. Labor has a PV of 25%. Keneally has a negative approval rating. Maybe the attitudinal change in the person I spoke with is anecdotal evidence of why the NSW Labor figures are so appalling.
[ You just seem to have some wierd vendetta against this one lady in particular. It’s very unhealthy. Time for a Chamomile perhaps? ]
Your are fully entitled to hold mistaken opinions.
[ Housing Department is called Housing NSW and tenants are Housing NSW tenants.
]
I am not sure whether a great deal turns on this pedantic point. I mix with a lot of Housing NSW tenants living in the Waterloo area on a regular basis. Most of them refer to it as the Housing Department – but maybe they are wrong. As to it being rebadged recently to Department of Human Resources (or similar) I don’t know. One tenant told me that was the new name for the Housing Department. Maybe you know better than me. I understand from your previous posts, you are closely connected to the Keneally government.
#83
Ooops…bad me. I got that wrong. The name of the department responsible for housing is now called the Department of Human Services, not the Department of Human Resources. My apologies. With all the changes in Department names, I beg forgiveness for not getting it exactly right. Even tenants seem to be confused as well.
The Department of Human Services administers the following agencies:-
•Aboriginal Affairs NSW
•Ageing, Disability and Home Care
•Community Services
•Housing NSW
•Juvenile Justice
•NSW Aboriginal Housing Office
•NSW Businesslink Pty Ltd
The agency Housing NSW provides housing solutions for people in need. Many of those people are housed in homes in the suburb of Waterloo, which is in the electorate of Heffron.
The ministers responsible for the administration of the Department of Human Services are:-
Linda Burney (co-ordinating Minister)
Paul Lynch
Peter Primrose MLC
Frank Terenzini.
Barbara Perry.
Frank Terenzini is called the Minister for Housing. There is no Department of Housing. As Housing Minister he is responsible for the operations of Housing NSW.
I forgive my contacts – tenants of Housing NSW – for believing they are being housed by the Department of Housing.
[ “We have got a corrupt state government,” he said.
“We have got a completely captive public service, we have got no independent professional decision-making or advice to government.” ]
Corruption fighters take on Keneally
John Hatton has announced he and Debbie Locke will stand for the Upper House at the 2011 election.
After what happend in the Federal Election, someone needs to tell the GREENS voting Green and not Labor will make sure the Liberals win easily.
This is what has happened in the current Federal election taking 3.7% from LABOR!.
#86
[ After what happend in the Federal Election, someone needs to tell the GREENS voting Green and not Labor will make sure the Liberals win easily.
This is what has happened in the current Federal election taking 3.7% from LABOR!.
]
Don’t think it really matters with Labor on a PV of 25%. For a progressive the choice is usually between a right wing Labor candidate and a liberal candidate. Not much choice being offered. Greens are a superior option. Progressive voters can give their 2nd preference to the next least right wing candidate. Presumably you would argue that was the Labor candidate.
If Labor wants progressives to support Labor it should clean up Labor and rid NSW Labor of the right wing nutters that run it. Don’t expect voters to change. Labor should change itself to appeal to progressive voters. However, there seems little prospect of labor cleaning up itself. When Labor had a “left” leader in Rees, it removed him as soon as he indicated he was going to take steps to clean out some of the right wing nutters AND replaced him with Keneally who was their pin-up girl and had been parachuted by the right wingers into the seat of Heffron. So you can see why progressive thinkers see little prospect of NSW Labor cleaning up it’s act. They have been dudded too many times by the cry of “give us a 2nd chance” – things will change. The Greens provide a trustworthy and reliable alternative. If as a result of progressive thinkers turning to the Greens – Labor becomes motivated enough to actually do something to clean out the right wing nutters, then there is a chance AFTER the clean out electors will move back to Labor.
I seriously say to you. In all honesty – do you really believe Labor deserves to be re-elected in 2011 ?
Bob Hawke has recently indicated he would answer that question NO.
[ O’Farrell has signalled he will abandon the policy of recent state elections and preference the Greens in inner-city seats where they have a chance of unseating Labor. That will likely result in a couple of Greens MPs kicking around in a lower house where O’Farrell enjoys a safe majority. ]
‘Real Kristina’ faces grim reality
Bring on Marrickville. Bring on Balmain. Bring on Heffron.
Who cares where the preferences come from, as long as they finish up on the Greens pile.
PY88
Probably too much to ask for the Greens [party] to reciprocate preferences to Liberals, for reasons other than green [philosophy]
88
I think that the anti-ALP swing will be big enough that the Greens would have won Balmain anyway but it makes Marrickville likely and Heffron possible. Will the ALP be preferencing the Greens in Coogee (incase the Greens ovetake them)?
Can O’Farrell and chums still blow it?
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/theyre-a-joke-debnam-slams-both-sides-20100829-13xn8.html
Debnam is right, but given his record he’s probably the person in the state least able to make those accusations.
oakshott country
no, O’Farrell can be caught killing babies and he would still win confortably
We could put Adolf Hitler up for election and he would romp it in against this ALP government
Debnam is just having sour grapes that he was not able to put this incompetant government out of its misery … it would have been for the greater good of NSW and the NSW ALP, if they did not have the last 3 years
But Debnam decided during the election, he was going to make 100,000 people in the public service redundant …. and got killed for it
Of course the ALP then made those people redundant, without announcing it at the election, which made Debnam look like the idiot he was
#89
[ Probably too much to ask for the Greens [party] to reciprocate preferences to Liberals, for reasons other than green [philosophy]
]
Probably a bridge too far in most cases. Could imagine cases may exist where some right wing nutter Labor candidate was up against a “liberal” Liberal – that might enable an argument to be mounted for that to happen. Would be little difference between RWN Labor and Liberal – so wouldn’t necessarily be a “philosophical” decision.
Under the watch of the right wing nutters of Labor this type of thing has happened:-
Secret favours greased Rocks deal.
It is the duty of every NSW citizen to rid the state of the cancer that Labor has become. Labor can rebuild itself with people of integrity from the Opposition benches.
#95
Oooops…failed to include link to this article:-
Macdonald defied cabinet to appoint his man for Middle East
[Same-sex couples may have the right to adopt in NSW before year’s end.
The ALP, Liberals and Nationals have all granted their members a conscience vote on state MP Clover Moore’s Adoption Amendment (Same-Sex Couples) Bill, which is likely to be debated in August.
The bill has the support of the Greens in the Legislative Council.
“Both the NSW Liberals and the Nationals will have a conscience vote on this Bill,” a spokesman for Opposition leader Barry O’Farrell said.
“This is a matter for individual MPs to determine their own position and to vote according to their view. In our party’s tradition such votes are seen as a strength that reflect the different opinions that exist in the community on these issues.”
Premier Kristina Keneally told Sydney Star Observer the bill had her in-principle support and that she would take part in debate over it.
“I know of … same-sex couples who successfully foster children but are unable to adopt them,” Keneally said. “I also personally know same-sex couples who are raising children together. Like all good parents, they love their children and want the very best for them.”
Keneally said her faith was no barrier to supporting the bill, though she expected there would be some critics.
“What I know as a Christian, as a Catholic, is that Jesus himself was about love.
“Jesus loved all and he accepted all and for me that is the strongest message that comes out of the gospels. When I see gay and lesbian people giving that unselfish love to a child, that’s something that I … want to support.
“However, I am aware that there are very deeply held, divergent views on this issue and adoption by same-sex couples is a sensitive issue for the [wider] community.”
GLRL co-convenor Kellie McDonald welcomed Moore’s bill.
“These amendments will enable same-sex couples to apply to become legal parents of children in their care, giving their children access to rights and entitlements such as a parent’s superannuation or worker’s compensation if their parent is injured at work,” McDonald said.
“Same-sex couples, like all other prospective adoptive parents, should be judged on their individual merits and their capacity to provide a loving and stable home for a child. Sexual orientation is not a meaningful indicator of parenting ability.”
“There is no evidence to suggest that a person’s sexual orientation has any bearing on their suitability to be an adoptive parent, therefore there is no reason to legislate to exclude someone from being able to adopt on the basis of their homosexual orientation or family arrangements,” Clover Moore told Parliament in presenting her bill on Thursday.]
Hamish
It is call trying to save the furniture and reclaim the Green vote, so that the green’s primary vote (14%) atm will not be higher than the ALP (28%)
And on Paul Mcleay’s resignation, and sundry connexions between the ALP and the state:
[Mr McLeay was first elected to Parliament in 2003, and still holds the southern NSW seat of Heathcote. His first appointment to the ministry came in 2009, when he became the Minister for Ports and Waterways and Minister for the Illawarra.
Before Parliament, Mr McLeay was a prominent unionist.
He is married to author Cassandra Wilkinson, who has previously worked for the NSW government.]
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/nsw-minister-quits-for-using-adult-and-gambling-websites-20100901-14mya.html
[Cassandra Wilkinson is an Australian author and president and co-founder of FBi Radio She is married to Australian politician Paul McLeay. She is currently the transport advisor to New South Wales Premier Kristina Keneally.]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassandra_Wilkinson
[In September 2007, the Australian Labor Party chose FBi as the platform to announce its electoral commitment to resume funding for the Australian Music Radio Airplay Project.]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBi_Radio
Dovif – I would call it doing the right thing by her constituents. I mostly posted it as a rebuke to the softer minds on this forum who post about Keneally being directed by the Catholic Church.