Unpredictable Roy Morgan has unloaded two very different sets of poll results: one using its usual face-to-face methodology, but based on one week’s sample rather than the recently more usual two, and the other a phone poll in which respondents were also asked about leadership preference, contrary to normal Morgan practice. The face-to-face poll is from 999 respondents, and shows Labor’s lead narrowing from 60-40 to 58-42. Labor’s primary vote is down 0.5 per cent to 49.5 per cent, while the Coalition is up a quite healthy 3.5 per cent to a still not-healthy 37.5 per cent. The Greens are down a point to 8 per cent.
However, the phone poll has Labor’s two-party lead at a more modest 54.5-45.5, from primary votes of 45 per cent Labor, 40.5 per cent Coalition and 7.5 per cent Greens. At present, a dedicated page for the phone poll result tells us only that Kevin Rudd leads Malcolm Turnbull as preferred prime minister 60.5 per cent to 26.5 per cent; that Rudd’s approval rating is 57.5 per cent; and that Turnbull’s approval rating is 43 per cent. Perhaps it will be fleshed out with more information at a later time.
Two other pieces of news:
• It seems Andrew Wilkie will run as an independent candidate for Denison at next year’s Tasmanian state election. Wilkie is the former Office of National Assessments analyst who quit over the Howard government’s actions before the Iraq war, and subsequently ran as a Greens candidate against John Howard in Bennelong in 2004 and as Bob Brown’s Tasmanian Senate running mate in 2007.
• A beleagured British Labour Party is considering sweeping electoral reforms, including an elected upper house. House of Commons reforms might presumably include some kind of preferential voting, which Britain’s three-plus party system badly needs, or more radically proportional representation, with which Britons have become familiar through elections for the Scottish and Welsh parliaments, its members of European Parliament, and local government.
Franks
“The Greens are becoming more like the Coalition everyday.”
Soon we’ll be “The Greeds”
But the Americans are hindering the situation with there excessive support for Israel which is one of the major long-standing causes of Arab and Muslim dislike for America.
Oh for dog sake! Now I understand why Swan and Rudd don’t like saying the debt figure, the Adelaide 9 news reader just said the budget DEFICIT is going to be $300 billion!
If a government dares be honest, economic dunces in the media completely misrepresent the figures.
Frank,
Meg Lees actually voted for the GST.
Bob Brown wants to maintain his Parliamentary record of never having done anything positive for Australia despite all the handringing and sanctimony he and his supporters love to kid us with.
GG
“Bob Brown wants to maintain his Parliamentary record of never having done anything positive for Australia despite all the handringing and sanctimony he and his supporters love to kid us with.”
That was awesome! What’s Bob Brown ever done for us, hey?
[Bob Brown wants to maintain his Parliamentary record of never having done anything positive for Australia despite all the handringing and sanctimony he and his supporters love to kid us with.]
I’m talking about those soft Greens who were lured from the ALP, they’ll come back to us once the oh so pures side with the Agairian denialists.
The Greens will eventually have to pass an ETS, they will most likely hold the balance of power in the Senate after the next election.
So if the Govt. plays hardball, it will be the Greens who are percieved as obstructing Australia having an ETS. (assuming the Rabble can, will, never support an ETS)
[But the Americans are hindering the situation with there excessive support for Israel which is one of the major long-standing causes of Arab and Muslim dislike for America.]
Most U.S. support for Israel has been AFTER Israel was founded. It is completely unsurprising that after officially recognising Israel, the U.S. would defend its right to exist.
If Arab’s and Muslims hate the U.S. because it supports Israel’s sovereignty, then that’s just tough, they’ll have to live with it.
Ruawake, Frank, GG etc.
I thought we had discussed this the other day and come to the conclusion that it didn’t matter what the Greens did. Even if they voted yes it wouldn’t pass without the Libs.
Or maybe I just imagined that very long discussion…
[Bob Brown wants to maintain his Parliamentary record of never having done anything positive for Australia despite all the handringing and sanctimony he and his supporters love to kid us with.]
Bob Brown voted for the stimulus packages. He was influential in the campaign against the Franklin Dam. Without his party’s votes we would still have WorkChoices.
Bob Brown has done a lot of good things for the nation.
[Without his party’s votes we would still have WorkChoices.]
The Greens ran on a policy to abolish Workchoices – if they DID’NT vote with the Govt, they would’ve broken an election promise 🙂
Astrobleme, that may be so. King Abdullah of Transjordan initially welcomed Jewish settlement.
The Hawke Labor Govt. stopped the Franklin Dam, using the external affairs power in the constitution. 😛
ShowsOn,
They are all Labor reforms.
Bob Brown is just a tagalong. He supports Labor on most issues because he lived throught the horror of Howard. He don’t want to go back there.
[The Greens ran on a policy to abolish Workchoices – if they DID’NT vote with the Govt, they would’ve broken an election promise]
Sure, but my point was without those votes, we would still have it. So it is absurd to say that Bob Brown has never achieved anything for the nation.
[Bob1234 (#1185),
You are clearly a wealthy midget. However I do accept you charge of the issue not being ‘political’. My humble apologies.]
I’m 6 foot and definately not wealthy. Thankyou however for accepting the issue I raised – extra charges for exit area seats for tall people is about as on-topic as asking for car repair tips on pollbludger.
[They are all Labor reforms. ]
The Franklin Dam issue existed before Labor made a campaign issue out of it. Brown was there from the start.
GP
Great article.
We’re been talking about Integral Fast Reactor Nuclear Power for a while. The big booster book on it”Prescription for the Planet” is quite hard to get but the author has made the fourth chapter on it available. It gives and introduction to IFR technology and a primer to Nuclear Physics 101.
http://tinyurl.com/cwvn8n
The Americans are a biggest block to a move towards a solution outside the region and possibly at all because of their use of their Veto on the UN Security Council and their billions in aid (much of it money for American made military supplies) to Israel each year. There are other nations that recognise Israel and do not get the same level of hatred as America.
[football, cricket…]
Don’t get me started… 😛
ShowsON,
The Franklin would be a dam now if not for Hawke and Labor.
[Bob Brown voted for the stimulus packages. He was influential in the campaign against the Franklin Dam. Without his party’s votes we would still have WorkChoices.
Bob Brown has done a lot of good things for the nation.]
The best politician in either house, who at least has spoken up for the underdog.
[The Americans are a biggest block to a move towards a solution outside the region and possibly at all because of their use of their Veto on the UN Security Council]
This doesn’t make any sense. Why SHOULDN’T the U.S. have a veto power?
Iran is the biggest cause of instability in the region, because its government is unrepresentative and thus unaccountable to anyone other than some religious wackaloons.
[There are other nations that recognise Israel and do not get the same level of hatred as America.]
None of the others are super powers that are easy to blame.
[There are other nations that recognise Israel and do not get the same level of hatred as America.]
Yes, well, when you do all the heavy lifting you get all the blame.
But the Hawke and Keating government take major measures to start reducing greenhouse gas emissions?
gusface,
“Speaking for the underdog”. How’s that gonna feed and educate your family. Brown and the Greens are the biggest phonies that were ever elected to our Parliament.
Do nothing! Achieve nothing! Soon will be nothing!
What a legacy.
[The Franklin would be a dam now if not for Hawke and Labor.]
And it never would’ve become a national issue if it wasn’t for the grassroots campaigning of people like Bob Brown.
Remember, at the time most people in Tasmania supported the dam!
GG Ruawake and others
I think you owe BB an apology. He’s a passionate articulate politician who doesn’t flip flop. He has always said he wouldn’t support the CPRS, why should it be such a surprise?
And anyway, as we discussed earlier (that you all seem to have forgotten in you haste to attack) it won’t matter how the Greens vote, It’s solely down to the Libs.
Psephos @ 1274
That is my point (without the probable pro-Israel bias in the use of heavy lifting).
[And it never would’ve become a national issue if it wasn’t for the grassroots campaigning of people like Bob Brown.]
Except for the fact that without the decisions made by Hawke Labor, change wouldn’t have happened. The Greens aren’t in power remember.
GG,
“gusface,
“Speaking for the underdog”. How’s that gonna feed and educate your family. Brown and the Greens are the biggest phonies that were ever elected to our Parliament.
Do nothing! Achieve nothing! Soon will be nothing!
What a legacy.”
That has go to be the most boring, partisan attack on the Greens yet. Crikey Moses! At least try and put some substance into your attacks!
ShowsOn,
I see you are impressed by an opportunist trying to exploit an opportunity.
There were plenty of people who were not Bob Brown involved in the Franklin Dam issue.
And hopefully the greens will grow up and realize hydo electricity is clean energy. Bob Brown has also made some terrible mistakes.
[And the oh so pure are now ensuring that there will NEVER be a CPRS enshrined in legislation.]
This is twisted logic and exactly the pathetic politicking from the government that is holding back this country from taking strong action.
[“Speaking for the underdog”. How’s that gonna feed and educate your family. Brown and the Greens are the biggest phonies that were ever elected to our Parliament.
Do nothing! Achieve nothing! Soon will be nothing!
What a legacy]
GG
I was specifically refering to his actions during the howard years.
History has yet to judge him re the Rudd era.
[Greens are the biggest phonies that were ever elected to our Parliament.]
The voters are sleepwalking?
[And hopefully the greens will grow up and realize hydo electricity is clean energy]
Hydro electricity being good doesn’t mean that every dam everywhere is good. Especially in a country as drought prone as Australia.
Tom, my view is that Jews are the canaries in the coalmine of civilisation. When they thrive, civilisation thrives with them. When the civilised world fails to defend them against the forces of evil, we all slide down the slippery slope to barbarism. The US defends Israel because the US is a great power inspired by the best elements of the Judaeo-Christian tradition and understands the lessons of the past. (I don’t expect you to agree with me about any part of this post!)
[This is twisted logic and exactly the pathetic politicking from the government that is holding back this country from taking strong action.]
So you would rather the Rudd Govt be the subject of the mother of all scare campaigns involving the loss of jobs etc, especially when we are in recessional times, just so the oh so pures can have warm feeling in their toes.
What breath taking hypocricy from a so called Environmental Party.
[Hydro electricity being good doesn’t mean that every dam everywhere is good. Especially in a country as drought prone as Australia.]
How do you get Hydro electricity withour dams? Dam hold water that would otherwise run into the sea or evaporate – so in a drought prone country we need dams.
[I see you are impressed by an opportunist trying to exploit an opportunity.]
He wasn’t an opportunist, he believed that it was wrong, and through campaigning at a local level, HELPED make it a national issue.
I have absolutely no idea why you can’t accept that he was ONE important person in that campaign.
[it won’t matter how the Greens vote, It’s solely down to the Libs]
Who are the Greens going to blame after the next election when they hold all the aces in the senate? They might find out what it feels like to be held responsible for their actions for once.
One of the issues at the 83 election was the “Franklin”, Hawke said he would not let the Tasmanian State Govt. go ahead.
He then lost every reps seat in Tasmania for his trouble.
[Who are the Greens going to blame after the next election when they hold all the aces in the senate? They might find out what it feels like to be held responsible for their actions for once.]
I am reminded by the Late Show Sketch where they “Interview” Christabel Chamarett & Dee Margetts, where every answer to the question is “Block It” – shame the clip isn’t on Youtube 🙁
It seems nothing has changed for the Oh So Pure’s.
[One of the issues at the 83 election was the “Franklin”, Hawke said he would not let the Tasmanian State Govt. go ahead.
He then lost every reps seat in Tasmania for his trouble.]
Ahh, thanks for reminding me about that – I got that confused with the 94 Election.
But it does prove my point why the Oh So Pures have got it all wrong.
So I guess we can scratch large scale wind and hydro power from the green manifesto? 😉
[He then lost every reps seat in Tasmania for his trouble.]
Exactly, and yet Bob Brown had been campaigning at a local level in an environment where MOST Tasmanians supported the dam being built!
And yet some people refuse to give him SOME credit for what he did.
Is there a Greens equivilent in the USA to block Obama’s 4% target? No? better get Bob Brown over there quick 😉
from Diogenes 1127
[The “Waxman-Markey” bill would cap US emissions at 17% below 2005 levels by 2020, which translates into around 4% below 1990 levels.]
[Is there a Greens equivilent in the USA to block Obama’s 4% target? No? better get Bob Brown over there quick ]
There’s always Ralph Nader 🙂
[Is there a Greens equivilent in the USA to block Obama’s 4% target? No? better get Bob Brown over there quick ]
Some left wing Democrats will most likely oppose the legislation on the grounds it doesn’t go far enough.
The U.S. has almost a pure two party system, so people who would be Greens in our parliament are members of the Democratic left in the U.S. congress.
[So I guess we can scratch large scale wind and hydro power from the green manifesto? ]
That would be stupid. Just because Labor, the Liberals and the Greens oppose a some renewable energy projects doesn’t mean they oppose all such projects.