9.07am. There is now a notional count for Morley on the WAEC site (don’t ask me where it went last night), and it looks clear the Liberals have in fact won. So Labor needs to win Riverton, Forrestfield and Albany, and is not looking the goods in the former.
2.25am. Revised final call for the evening. The ABC gives the Liberals eight definite gains from Labor: Bunbury, Darling Range, Jandakot, Kingsley, Mount Lawley, Ocean Reef, Southern River and Swan Hills. However, I think Wanneroo can probably be added to the list. They also have their nose in front in Riverton and are very likely to pull further ahead in late counting, and a good chance of reining in Labor’s 166-vote lead in Morley and 242-vote lead in Forrestfield. However, Labor is 117 votes ahead in the notional Liberal seat of Albany, and the Liberals have lost Kalgoorlie to an independent likely to back Labor. If Labor can win three out of Riverton, Morley, Forrestfield and Albany, there might yet be a minority Labor government. However, it needs to be remembered that outside of the Mining and Pastoral region, Labor did about 2 per cent worse on non-booth votes than booth votes in 2005, to their cost in late counting. Kwinana appears to have fallen to independent Carol Adams, so any Labor government would be hanging on for dear life with the support of two independents.
1.53am. Hmm – and we’ve also got North West as “Labor win” now. Would like a clearer idea of what’s happened here – possibly an unexpected Nationals preference flow. The WAEC site says 4729 to 3985, which is unequivocal. There might be life yet in this game.
1.16am. ABC computer has moved Wanneroo from Liberal “gain” to “ahead”. Labor in fact leads by six votes, but extrapolating the pattern of late voting from last time puts the Liberals 0.6 per cent ahead.
11.59pm. An intriguing development in Morley, which has gone from Liberal win to “ALP ahead” on the ABC computer, presumably involving official preference figures (the WAEC doesn’t have such a thing on its site as the original D’Orazio-versus-Labor count was junked). If Labor does win Morley, a majority for Labor plus Labor independents becomes mathematically possible again, requiring wins in Riverton (Labor trails by 32 votes), Forrestfield (leads by 242 votes) and Collie-Preston (leads by 416 votes). However, Labor tends not to do very well in late counting.
10.48pm. The Liberals have gained Ocean Reef, North West, Jandakot, Swan Hills, Mount Lawley, Bunbury, Darling Range, Kingsley, Wanneroo, Southern River and apparently Morley. Varying degrees of doubt remain about Riverton, Forrestfield, Collie-Preston and Morley. Labor might make a notional gain of Albany. Former Labor independent John Bowler has won Kalgoorlie from the Liberals. Labor may have lost Kwinana to independent Carol Adams. Independents Janet Woollard in Alfred Cove and Sue Walker in Nedlands may or may not lose their seats to the Liberals. The numbers are 27 to 29 for Labor plus Labor independents, with either one or two of the latter; 26 to 28 for the Liberals plus Liberal independents, also with one to three of the latter; and four for the Nationals.
10.33pm. ABC computer has Southern River back as Liberal win.
10.26pm. Primary votes in Southern River are Liberal 45.5 per cent, Labor 39.2 per cent, Greens 10.1 per cent, CDP plus Family First 5.5 per cent. The latter would make it very tough for Labor indeed.
10.24pm. ABC computer only has Southern River as “LIB ahead”, when the consensus seems to be that it’s gone.
10.17pm. Morley: Labor 36.0 per cent, Liberal 34.0 per cent, John D’Orazio 17.4 per cent. D’Orazio himself presumably knows something about it, and seems to think his preferences will give it to the Liberals. With the Greens vote on 7.6 per cent, I wouldn’t be so sure quite yet.
10.09pm. Alfred Cove still complicated: Liberal 43.4 per cent, Janet Woollard 25.5 per cent, Labor 20.1 per cent, Greens 9.4 per cent. Not sure what chance of Greens preferences putting Labor ahead of Woollard.
10.05pm. Carpenter not conceding.
10.02pm. So a left-right split of between 15-21 and 17-19. Greens one to five. Nationals one to four. Zero to three for the religious parties.
10.00pm. To clarify, this upper house stuff is based on very sketchy educated guesses following on from lower house trends.
10.00pm. Upper house part six: Mining and Pastoral. Upredictable, but very likely three left, three right. Greens and Nationals both in contention.
9.56pm. Upper house part five: Agricultural. Labor not certain of two seats: could be three Liberal, one Nationals and one Family First, or maybe two Nationals.
9.52pm. Upper house part four: South West. Looking like a close shave between four-two and three-all between right and left. A third left seat would certainly go to Greens. Family First and the Nationals in the mix for the three or four right seats.
9.45pm. Upper house part three: South Metropolitan. Liberals likely to have done well enough to have won a third seat, which if true is very bad news for Labor. Could be three Liberal, three Labor; or three Liberal, two Labor, one Greens.
9.42pm. Steven Smith says last Forrestfield booth good for Labor, returning it to lineball. But nobody doubts the Liberals have won Wanneroo, which decides the issue.
9.41pm. Upper house part two: North Metropolitan. Unlikely to be other than Liberal 3, Labor 2, Greens 1.
9.38pm. Upper house part one: East Metropolitan. The swing here might just be at that exact point it needed to be to give the CDP the final seat; it could otherwise go to the Greens. Other than that, Labor three and Liberals two.
9.33pm. Consensus seems to be Liberal Bill Marmion will defeat Sue Walker in Nedlands. The consensus probably knows something I don’t: figures are Liberal 43.6 per cent, Walker 23.5 per cent, Labor 16.4 per cent, Greens 14.1 per cent. Are Greens preferences putting Labor ahead of Walker?
9.31pm. The Greens still looking likely to fall short of overtaking the Liberals in Fremantle. McGinty on 38.9 per cent, Liberal 29.7 per cent and Greens 27.7 per cent, with the only preferences to come Family First and CDP.
9.27pm. In Kwinana, independent Carol Adams is well ahead of the Liberal, 24.4 per cent to 16.9 per cent, and very likely to ride over Labor on 39.6 per cent.
9.22pm. John Bowler also playing the leverage game.
9.17pm. Labor apparently think they’re gone in Forrestfield, yet with apparently all booths in they have a lead on the primary vote and likely to go further ahead on Greens preferences. Obviously I’m missing something here. Smith sounding modestly confident about Albany.
9.15pm. Brendon Grylls of the Nationals talking tough on who he’ll support, no doubt for leverage purposes.
9.12pm. Looks like all the booths are in from Wanneroo, and it’s the straw that’s broken the camel’s back. The Liberals lead 43.6 to 40.3 per cent, the Greens are on 8.6 per cent and apparently flowing weakly to Labor, and the CDP and Family first (5.3 per cent between them) would be going the other way. Most likely result looks like Labor with maybe 25 or 26 plus two Labor independents, with 30 required for a majority.
9.07pm. ABC computer gives Fremantle back to the Greens, but with 46.1 per cent counted and the computer’s unreliable record in calling contests involving the Greens.
9.05pm. Julie Bishop pretty much calling a Labor defeat.
9.03pm. Smith now sounding gloomy about Forrestfield as well as Wanneroo, and they need to hold both. Riverton and Collie-Preston very close; Labor 300 votes ahead in Albany.
9.02pm. Situation confused in Kwinana, but Antony Green and Stephen Smith seem to think the independent Carol Adams will win it.
9.01pm. Labor lead dwindling in Albany.
8.59pm. Regarding Fremantle: The gap between the Liberals and Greens is getting very wide though.
8.58pm. A reader says I’m too quick to write off the Greens in Fremantle, which may well be right.
8.57pm. ABC has Liberal 1.3 per cent ahead in Wanneroo, which would mean the end for Labor if so. But Antony Green warns that projections can be unreliable in this kind of growth corridor seat.
8.55pm. ABC computer giving North West to Labor, confirming what we’ve been hearing via scrutineers for a while.
8.54pm. ABC computer calling Collie-Preston for Labor.
8.51pm. Seats crucial to the outcome according to ABC commentators: Albany (51-49), Collie-Preston (51-49, big booth to come), Riverton (shaky), Wanneroo (49-51), Forrestfield (50-50), Joondalup (looking good for Labor). Labor would need to win all of them.
8.50pm. Labor clearly home in Joondalup, the 1.5 per cent swing very surprising under the circumstances.
8.48pm. Labor still ahead in Albany with 33.5 per cent now counted, after being stuck on 17 per cent for a long time. But the big booths in Albany proper as opposed to the rural hinterland could yet reverse this.
8.46pm. ABC computer calling Kalgoorlie for John Bowler, so there’s one piece of good news for Labor. ABC has given Kwinana back to Labor, formerly given to independent Carol Adams.
8.45pm. ABC now calling Wanneroo for the Liberals. Morley depends on John D’Orazio’s preferences, with reason to believe they will cost Labor the seat. Chamber graphic says Labor 29 seats, but that’s at the upper range of what seems likely. If it’s true there might yet be a minority government with support from John Bowler in Kalgoorlie.
8.43pm. Raw primary vote with 46.3 per cent counted: Labor down 6.2 per cent to 35.7 per cent, Liberal up 3.3 per cent to 39.0 per cent, Nationals up 1.2 per cent to 4.8 per cent, Greens up 3.9 per cent to 11.5 per cent. If that holds, the pollsters have done very well, but maybe calculated the 2PP wrong due to mistaken preference assumptions.
8.42pm. Jim McGinty’s scare over in Fremantle. As I was about to say, parts of Fremantle are migrant and low-income areas that don’t vote Greens, but other parts are very bohemian.
8.41pm. ABC computer still calling Joondalup for Labor, which I thought they would have dropped at a losing election.
8.40pm. Liberal Riverton candidate Mike Nahan complaining of expensive Labor campaign in Riverton, but says it has come at the expense of Labor defeats in Southern River and Jandakot.
8.38pm. Talk of Greens preferences overall behaving in peculiar ways. Labor can normally depend on at least 70 per cent of them and is reportedly not getting them.
8.35pm. 37.5 per cent counted in Fremantle, parts of which are greener than others, but Greens well ahead of Liberal 29.5 per cent to 27.3 per cent and Jim McGinty on a very weak 39.9 per cent. Parts of Fremantle are greener than others, but McGinty in big trouble from there.
8.34pm. Looks like I wreak havoc wherever I tread – LP now crashing. Have added what I posted there below.
8.30pm. Steven Smith calling Morley for the Liberals, but thinks John Bowler has won Kalgoorlie. Thinks Albany in play, but we’ve heard nothing about it from ages. Collie-Preston, Riverton, Joondalup, Forrestfield and Wanneroo all more or less 50-50. Outer limits of best case scenario for Labor means minority government plus John Bowler.
8.20pm. Thanks Mark. Labor can only afford to lose nine seats.
Labor losses: Darling Range, Ocean Reef, Bunbury, Jandakot, Mt Lawley, Southern River, Swan Hills, Kingsley
Labor in trouble: Forrestfield, Wanneroo, North West, Wanneroo.
Close: Forrestfield, Collie-Preston, Joondalup, Riverton, Morley.
Miracles Labor can hope for: Albany, independent John Bowler in Kalgoorlie.
Shocks: Labor appears to have lost Kwinana to independent Carol Adams, and Jim McGinty might lost Fremantle to the Greens.
8.25pm. I’ve taken it over to Larvatus Prodeo.
8.13pm. Labor still ahead in Collie-Preston, just barely, with almost all booths counted.
8.10pm. ABC calling Joondalup for Labor, but I wouldn’t stake the bank on that yet.
8.08pm. Forrestfield “in trouble”, Steven Smith almost calling it.
8.06pm. Contest narrowing in Wanneroo …
8.06pm. But Matt Birney’s critique of The West up in lights.
8.05pm. Regarding the outages, I’ve just written to Larvatus Prodeo to see if I can do my live blog there, so keep an eye out there if I go down here for the long-term.
8.04pm. Matt Birney not sounding certain though.
8.01pm. Swing showing to Labor in Scarborough – probably an anomaly or an error.
8.00pm. Liberal also ahead in Forrestfield.
7.53pm. Labor out of the woods in Kimberley.
7.52pm. Now also chat of poor Greens preference flow, which if accurate means even bigger trouble.
7.48pm. Definite losses: Bunbury, Jandakot, Kingsley, Mount Lawley, Ocean Reef, Darling Range. Big trouble: Wanneroo, Swan Hills, North West (though Swan Hills down from “LIB WIN” to “LIB AHEAD”). Possibly Labor gain in Albany, but I’ll believe that when I see it. Nothing lately from Kalgoorlie.
7.46pm. So Mount Lawley gone. Smith seems to think Labor need to win all of Wanneroo, Southern River, Joondalup, Riverton, Collie-Preston, and at least one of those seems unlikely. Swan Hills, North West gone … you’d almost start thinking about calling it.
7.45pm. News flash – early double digit swing in Wanneroo, computer calls it for Liberal.
7.44pm. No, Labor now ahead in Collie-Preston. The moral of the story is that these early ABC calls are probably less reliable than normal due to the redistribution and perhaps the high non-major party vote.
7.42pm. ABC calls Ocean Reef and Collie-Preston for Liberal.
7.40pm. I’m back … Labor appear to be conceding Mount Lawley, but they’re holding on in Riverton and might even win Albany, although I wouldn’t be sure about the latter – this will be the rural booths where Labor didn’t campaign in the past. The city booths could still lose it for them.
7.35pm. Labor back ahead in Riverton.
7.32pm. Bad news continues to accumulate for Labor – Liberal now ahead in Riverton.
7.31pm. Liberal now ahead in Alfred Cove.
7.29pm. It’s calling Cannington for Liberal is well. Labor had better hope that there are a lot of anomalies coming through at the moment.
7.28pm. ABC calls Mount Lawley for Liberal with double digit swing.
7.27pm. ABC calls Pilbara for Liberal, which means it’s all over if so. I wouldn’t call that seat quite yet, but a number of bad results are accumulating for Labor.
7.25pm. Stephen Smith suggests trouble in North West as well. I believe what he just said about Riverton is out of date now, i.e. a new booth has been better for them.
7.24pm. One piece of good news for Labor: swing in Riverton a manageable 0.6 per cent with 8.9 per cent counted.
7.24pm. ABC computer has Liberals ahead in Kimberley with 7.9 per cent swing, 5.3 per cent counted.
7.18pm. Very ugly swing against Labor in Cannington also.
7.18pm. Third news flash: Also calls Southern River for Liberal. Huge trouble for Labor if this keeps up.
7.17pm. Another news flash: ABC calls Jandakot for Liberal, 10 per cent swing from 6.6 per cent. Big shock.
7.14pm. News flash: ABC calls Swan Hills for Liberal. I wouldn’t quite call it yet: 6.6 per cent swing from 5.9 per cent counted not good for Labor though.
7.13pm. ABC calls Morley for Labor, but its judgements can be awry when independents are involved. John D’Orazio not looking in the hunt.
7.16pm. ABC calls Scarborough for Liberal, 3.9 per cent swing from 18.8 per cent counted.
7.13pm. I speak too soon – now “LIB AHEAD” by 0.4 per cent, 25.7 per cent counted.
7.12pm. Labor still highly competitive in Collie-Preston with 22.6 per cent counted.
7.10pm. ABC computer has “ALP AHEAD” in Albany, but only 5.2 counted.
7.09pm. First two Nedlands booths encouraging for Sue Walker.
7.09pm. First booth from Swan Hills, Gidgegannup Town Hall, gives Labor a dangerous 7.1 per cent Liberal swing.
7.08pm ABC computer calls Kalamunda for Liberals.
7.06pm. Labor might be a little troubled by 5.5 per cent swing from 5.5 per cent counted in Girrawheen, if it proves typical for the northern suburbs.
7.04pm. Labor doing a little better than I had expected in the first rural booths from Collie-Preston.
7.03pm. ABC computer calls Bunbury for Liberal – 9.5 per cent swing from 6.3 per cent counted.
6.58pm. Early Alfred Cove results show Janet Woollard might struggle to get ahead of Labor – down to Greens preferences. This from the Labor-voting end of the electorate though.
6.51pm. Two good early booths in for Labor from West Swan, maybe boding well for them in Swan Hills.
6.50pm. Julie Bishop reading too much into early Morley figures.
6.49pm. Very strong performance from Bowler also on early pre-poll votes.
6.47pm. Very encouraging first booth for John Bowler in Kalgoorlie – Kalgoorlie District Education Office, 434 votes.
6.42pm. Only 289 votes, but the Lower Kalgan Hall booth in Albany has swung heavily to Labor.
6.29pm. “Early Votes (In Person)” starting to appear – pre-polls, in other words.
6.28pm. Very first rural booths show encouraging signs for the Nationals.
6.00pm. Welcome everybody. Polling booths are now closed: very first results should be in from about 20 minutes. While away the time by viewing my election day snaps, and keep an eye on the tussle for Mayo in the thread below.
Mex
Both organisations are democratic so if members dont like it they have a right to fight it
I dont tell you and KPD how to run your masonic lodge or where to stay on your mens group trips to Thailand do I?
Further to previous point! All Politicians want one thing and that is to be elected. no party can claim to be perfect and no party can claim to soley represent a certain section of voters, yes there are certain types that vote one way while ohers vote the other but most of the work done by Government is done by the Public Servants not the Pollies! they debate and tick off on things and set the agenda but it is the Public Servants who do the actual work
Heres one for the forum to decide.
Julie Bishop said late last night that a great part of the election success for the State Liberal Party should be attributed to the TV advert asking ‘ 3 things the Labor Government has done …………. followed by silence’ etc. etc.
To this train of thought I totally disagree, and for the record I actually voiced my disgust and disagreement with the advert in question to Liberal Party Campaign Headquarters – when it was running in coincidentally the darkest week of the election campaign for the Liberals.
I told them to change the advert in question or get rid of it altogether as it was not a winning advert in any shape or form – in my opinion based on over 20 years media and marketing experience.
As it turned out, the election advertising and marketing was changed soon thereafter, and in my opinion was much, much better and to the point leading up to a very strong last week of the campaign, and ultimately the resounding success achieved by the Liberal Party in the polling booths yesterday.
How did everyone else feel about ‘that’ advert in question etc. and the consequent ‘improved’ marketing in the last week?
Wayne Thompson (Independent) for Carine
BBD,
Is the WA CFMEU democratic?
951
Big Blind Dave Says:
September 7th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Mex
Both organisations are democratic so if members dont like it they have a right to fight it
I dont tell you and KPD how to run your masonic lodge or where to stay on your mens group trips to Thailand do I?
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I have a Masonic Lodge, now that is a secret I didn’t even know.
Thailand!! Interesting trip that one lmao
954
yes it is ESJ
It’s just that anyone disatisfied has resigned rather than wait for the election cycle
you dont really get away with that in WA election terms do you?
Wayne
Were you really an independant? Why would you advise the Libs to change their advertising?
Good job getting the 246 votes though, do you think you will beat the FF candidate? 🙂
BBD,
If unions are democratic how come they have declining membership yet always win re-election with 20% of eligible members voting.
Unions are democratic. my first point was in response to those who started raising the old chesnut about the ALP caring for the working class.
ESJ! The Liberal Party has a rather closed pre-selection process which is less democratic than the ALP’s pre-selection process
At least the ALP list on their website the location of their branches as do the Greens I note the Liberals are still scare of anyone knowing where there branches are.
958- ESJ
first of all ESJ, we have discussed this before- not all unions are in decline that is your spin
seccondly, no one is excluded from voting
thirdly, union leaders do on occassion get voted out
lastly, how many members does the Lib party have in Oz and how many union members are there?
The Australian Nurses Union (ANF) have a very healthy membership but that might be that they are a good Union.
healthy mebership….nurses union,….nice one
But the WA branch have disendorsed from Unions WA and it’s secretary signed a pact with The Libs during the 2005 campaign.
ruawake,
‘Wayne
Were you really an independant? Why would you advise the Libs to change their advertising?
Good job getting the 246 votes though, do you think you will beat the FF candidate?’
Yes, absolutely. My whole aim and reason for nominating in this election was to help get rid of the Labor Government and as advertising and marketing is my forte
I was hell bent on making sure the Liberals didn’t blow or waste any opportunity.
Yes, I was quite pleased with the overall result. I’d like to think that I’ll stay in front of FF. The experience of it all was quite beneficial and the end result will take care of itself in the ensuing days, I’m sure.
Cheers
new thread everybody
ITo Frank!
I was referring to the Victorian Branch of the ANF. I had forgotten about the WA ANF it will be Interesting what happens with that Union now that WA has this result
Oh BBD happy to concede the Liberal party is undemocratic doesnt change the point about unions.
Union leaders do on occassion get voted out – yes once in a blue moon, more likely to end up in an upper house somewhere.
WT – yes Carps is finished if that was your objective, its just a matter of someone administering the head shot. Being the ALP he’ll have the consolation of one of his own doing the deed.
Wow… this thread has seen some action! Seems all the Lib fans have finally come out of their hibernation after the Feds loss last year. Even Glen’s back! Boy the Libs would want to make sure they actually win this one now or there’ll be some slashed wrists around here hahaha
Mexican Beemer (870),
I am pretty sure that Russell Savage opposed the toxic dump, though it was used against him because he helped put Labor in Government in 1999.
MB you will recall the WA ANF backed Workchoices.
Wayne
You are a bit of a fibber then arn’t you?
“When there are no party’s left fit to vote for, its time to stand up and say “Enough is Enough”, and I’ll throw my own hat in the ring. Yes, as an Independent who will listen and act according to a community’s concerns, expectations and ideals, and that time is now! ”
😛
Thank you Chris on Election night Savage suggested he had been unfairly represented during the campaign but my point was the toxic dump cost him his seat which is a petty for he seemed a good polly.
Mexican Beemer (913)
As long as we have a party which is dedicated to inflicting workchoices on ordinary working Australians, “class crap” will continue to be an issue in this country.
It cost Howard and the Liberals dearly in 2007 and unfortunately for ESJ it will also make his dream of a Rudd defeat by 2012 just that – a dream.
Unfortunately I have to agree with you that some Labor governments have not done as much for working people as they could have, but after the Howard experience, most Australian workers now know which party is the best bet for them.
966 Wayne – was Carine really under threat from an ALP candidate? If you expertise is really in advertising and marketing, why didn’t you apply your skills and resources to support Bill Stewart, who has a track record of working with the community and lives there, unless the Croation tax accountant?
Mexican Beemer,
I thought well of Russell Savage too, but politics is a brutal business. Labor was foolish to try to bring in a proposal that ended up costing him his seat and giving one more to the Nationals.
ruawake,
Not at all, that is I felt ……… and still do!
The bottom line for me though was the McGinty factor ……… I couldn’t have put up with him in control for another 4 years (‘Don’t get me started on him’).
In reality if I couldn’t win, the Liberals were my next choice – my preferences clearly stated that. Next time around, I may well sign up to ‘a’ party but a few backyards will need to be cleaned right up before then, so we’ll see what transpires going forward.
cheers
Fair enough Wayne, but your words say more than you think. 😛
“When there are no party’s (sic) left fit to vote for…” Yet you advise the Libs on their election campaign and give them your preferences.
Ho Hum. 🙂
Helen,
I had discussions with Bill and quite obviously he had a different agenda for different reasons than mine. I saw him yesterday and congratulated him on his campaign – it really was quite impressive and I felt somewhat underwhelmed as a result. Though Carine was never really under threat from the Labor Party, the sitting member had resigned and one never really knows the possibilities that may or may not eventuate as a result. I was in a position to nominate and felt good about it for a first time ‘life’ experience – and once nominated there is no turning back. I too live local – but I’m not interested in playing the racial card.
The bottom line of this electorate election in my opinion is as follows:
The Labor candidate or Party did virtually nothing to win or improve the parties chances.
The Greens candidate or Party did virtually nothing to win or improve the parties chances.
The Christian Democrats candidate or Party did virtually nothing to win or improve the parties chances.
The Family First candidate or Party did virtually nothing to win or improve the parties chances.
Bill Stewart ran a very prominent, aggressive campaign and polled very well.
I ran a very policy-aggressive campaign with limited resources and little help.
The Liberal candidate Tony Krstevic ran a saturation high-prominence campaign, worked hard and recieved a glowing endorsement and mandate at the ballot box
Wayne, I agree with your assessment of the “3 things” advertisement.
I am a strong Liberal (with the sunburn from yesterday to prove it) and I can think of much more than three good things the ALP has done.
The advert was made worse by the fact the ALP sent their ‘electorate acheivement’ maps around the same time the ad started to air. It could have been better if it was 3 things Labor has done to improve our hospitals… and another for law and order – etcetera..
On a different note… On the polling booth I had a few people complaining about the amount of addressed mail they received during the campaign. Given the score Frank has been keeping in Swan Hills – I wonder if too much mail is now a negative?
ruawake,
‘Yet you advise the Libs on their election campaign’
Not in any official capacity though – that being the difference.
Cheers
Joe,
I tend to agree. Classic from the polling booth yesterday as follows:
“Anything electoral in the letter box I throw out …….. now, …. who do I vote for?”
The waste must be enormous. I think the time has come to limit the amount of placards, helpers, posters, banners etc. etc. both in size and number for all parties and independents at polling booths. It’s getting way too much and out of hand.
I reckon the voting public quite rightly gets intimidated by the great ‘walk of concience’ into the actual polling booth.
962
BBD
Sorry, been away. BBD this is the whole point. The Libs and the ALP only have a limited membership as do the unions. Problem being that the whole state gets to vote for the Libs or ALP even though we may not be members of either clan.
With the unions, only members get to vote BUT unfortunately ALL working people have to put up with their bu##sh## antics and they CLAIM they have the right to negotiate for ALL the working class.
What a crock. It is you my friend who needs to get a grip………. or have you already?
Two thoughts, which may have been raised elsewhere in this string, if so, sorry, I can’t keep up with the string. Work to do.
1. If the libnats have a majority of one, won’t they have to provide the speaker? And if a vote is tied, is there some sort of rule which says the speaker has to vote one way or another?
2. How about the proposition that it would be very smart politics for the nats to support labour? They would have a valid reason: the labs have the most seats. It would also ensure that the libs would never again take them for granted. Also, while it might lose them a few torynat voters, it won’t lose them many – they have nowhere else to go. Plus they will enjoy all the moolah the nats will extort from lab.
Not sure that it would be smart politics for lab to jump into bed with the nats, but power is a powerful drug.
ALP-Nat coalition… heaven forbid… ALP selling its soul to the agrarian socialists! The irony would be that the so-called royalties for regions could be spent shoring up ALP vote in Kalgoorlie, Northwest, Pilbara, Kimberley and Albany as well as throwing a sh*tload at Collie-Preston in a bid to regain the seat next time…
Also use it to target Eyre (with a view to a Nat win next time) and keeping Nats happy in Moore…
Such a coalition would have back at the hustings quicker than a Lib-Nat coalition
Is this Mr Grylls doing Mr Bean impersonations?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/09/07/2357669.htm
980 Wayne Thompson “I’m not interested in playing the racial card” – nor am I, I referred to the Liberal candidate that way because I don’t know his name. Primarily, I object to these candidates placed in electorates where they are not known, where they have never lived, and where they have no history of being involved in helping the community. Of course, this applies to many Perth electorates, where there are worthwhile applicants for political roles who do not fit in with the ALP/Liberal puppeteers. These well-paid politicians are meant to serve their community – what do you think your new representative will do for the Carine electorate?
By the way, what were your areas of concern and policies?
Helen, re what will Tony Krstevic do for the ‘Carine’ community – I guess we’ll be able to answer your question in 4 years time, as is his due.
Would be nice to see him do some good work in collabaration with Bill at Council level re underground power etc.
As also requested my Policy Platform F.Y.I. as follows:
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If elected, one of my main priorities will be to introduce a private member’s bill into Parliament to take the sentencing powers (for serious and life-threatening/taking crimes) away from Judges, and implement an immediate Mandatory sentence regime where a crime such as Manslaughter will once again attract a set, and suitable punishment/term of imprisonment. Mandatory sentencing for attacks on Public Officers must also be introduced.
If the jails are full, then other facilities need to be opened up and used to house lower-risk prisoners. Serious Crime MUST attract serious time – or the very fabric of respect for law and order will be lost on society, and there is no turning back when that becomes a reality.
Free Public Transport for Pensioners 24/7
Daylight Saving
Until voted otherwise by the public of W.A., the referendum result should rule the day. We are a Democracy and, as such, we should respect and honour the majority vote.
Extended Trading Hours (including Sunday Trading)
Having been involved in Small Business since 1995, I have always held the belief that the Business Owner or Proprietor should have the right to decide. Relaxing the trading time rules and restrictions would obviously suit some businesses more than others, some staff more than others and some customers more than others. So while a decision either way could have serious implications for some or all businesses, I strongly feel that as long as that right is retained and protected, I would not resist any motions to change the existing regulations.
Ban portable Multa-nova use in metropolitan area
Another main priority would be to introduce a private members bill banning the use of all portable multa-nova cameras in the immediate metropolitan area. The bill would dictate that the portable multa-nova cameras could only be used on outer country roads – specifically in known and proven ‘death trap’ locations where the legitimate use of the Cameras could be justified. The bill would dictate that more police would be patrolling the roads, with a far greater focus on driver education.
In tandem with introducing the Bill banning the use of portable Multa-Nova Cameras in and around the immediate metropolitan area, I will be recommending and lobbying support for the immediate shut-down and closure of the Road Safety Council. The Council has consistently failed in its designated agenda to reduce trauma and deaths on our roads. The ‘Towards Zero’ report just presented to the Government outlines plans for the State’s 12-year Road Safety strategy ahead, and involves spending an EXTRA $2.3 billion dollars moving forward. The document’s assertions and estimates cannot be backed up or believed based on previous failures and non-performing campaigns – and therefore the Council should be scrapped in its entirety. The money already allocated plus the recommended funding moving forward should be incorporated into providing more police on the roads, and more police on the beat. This State already suffers from an unacceptable ‘Road Rage’ culture, ever present on our roads – and this has been borne out by the failures of previous Road Safety campaigns over the last decade.
Having more Police on the road would once again put them in a position to punish bad driving on the spot, and educate errant drivers – our roads would be that much safer as a direct result. Multa-novas when used by stealth have been proven to do nothing, other than raise copious amounts of money for the State Treasury. However, I am in favour of fixed cameras being utilized 24/7 on our Freeways and Highways and in the Polly Farmer Tunnel. When they are fixed, and you know they are there, they will serve their purpose (for all the right reasons) and people will tend to drive more appropriately – or continue to pay the consequences accordingly. More portable Multa-Nova cameras are not the serious solution – they have simply become a scourge on society as a handful of warts that won’t go away and the secret is well and truly out.’
it’s all over… the libs have done a deal with grylls…
What what? More info please…
that’s all i’ve got… got a txt from an alp staffer mate (cleaning out
his desk at the time…lol…) claiming the nats have done a deal with
the tories…
Ahh. There’s a link in the other thread (from the West) saying Grylls won’t make a decision either way until Sunday, when the votes are in.