The most interesting poll of the day is YouGov’s Queensland state poll, which you can read about here, but we do also have some results from the fortnightly Essential Research poll courtesy of The Guardian, focusing on expectations for the budget. Fifty-one per cent of respondents expected it would benefit the well off and 30% expected it would benefit those on low incomes, but only 25% thought it would benefit them personally. Thirty-five per cent expected it would be good for the economy compared with 31% for bad.
More interestingly, 78% signed on to the proposition that now was a good time to “explore new ways to run the economy”, with only 22% opposed. Sixty-nine per cent favoured “direct investment by government in job creation and in projects with the objective of improving living standards” when it was offered as an alternative to “deregulation to encourage employment and tax cuts for wealthy Australians”, which some may consider a false binary. The full report should be out later today.
In other poll news, The West Australian has been dealing out further results from the poll of 3500 respondents that recorded a 16% swing on state voting intention to Labor – remembering that this was a poll of five selected marginal seats, and not of the entire state. The poll found support for Western Australia’s hard border at 77% with 14% opposed, and support for secession at 28% and opposition at 55%, with 17% somehow unclear of their opinion.
UPDATE: Full results from Essential Research poll are available on the website, although there isn’t the usual PDF file at this point. Regular questions on COVID-19 suggest a softening of concern over the past fortnight, with very concerned down six to 30%, quite concerned up seven to 52%, not that concerned steady on 15% and not at all concerned down one to 4%. Perceptions of government performance in response are little changed, with the federal government on 60% good (down one) and 18% poor (steady), and good ratings for state governments on 65% in New South Wales (down two), 45% in Victoria (down two) 69% in Queensland (up one), 83% in Western Australia (down one) and 81% in South Australia (steady), with due regard to the small sub-sample sizes here.
UPDATE 2: PDF file here.
Kayjay
If Trump does lose, he should give the presidential freedom medal to those he admires before he leaves: Vladimir Putin, Xi Jinping, Kim Jong Un, Roderico Duterte and Recip Erdogan.
Here is one for you gerontologists out there.
John Tyler, the 10th President of the United States, from 1841 to 1845. was born in 1790, just after George Washington became the first President.
His grandson, Lyon Gardiner Tyler has just died at 95. Yes, President Tyler (“Tippecanoe and Tyler too”) who annexed Texas as the 28th state, was his grandfather.
I was pretty much impressed when I realized a few years ago that my uncle, who died at 99 was still living 150 years after his father was born and about 180 years after his grandfather. Tyler beat that easily and was alive 230 years after his grandfather arrived on the scene.
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For you Presidential historians out there.
Some more Tyler trivia with some eerie similarities to the present day. A rogue President, mass cabinet resignations, an unsuccessful impeachment attempt and the issue of succession on the death of a President.
John Tyler became the first vice-president to become President following the death of a President, when President William Henry Harrison died of pneumonia just weeks after his inauguration in 1841, the first President to die in office.
Tyler had been added to the Whig Party ticket when Southerners in the party began to suspect their candidate for President Harrison of having abolitionist leanings. Harrison had led the armed forces who defeated a native American uprising at the Battle of Tippecanoe.
Upon Harrison’s death, he quickly took the oath of office and assumed the Presidency amid rumblings from Congress who questioned the legitimacy of his actions. His decisive move set off a precedent that governed Presidential successions until 1967 when the 25th amendment clarified the protocol.
From wikipedia
“In 1841, William Henry Harrison became the first US president to die in office. It had previously been suggested that the vice president would become acting president upon the death of the president, but Vice President John Tyler asserted that he had succeeded to the presidency, instead of merely assuming its powers and duties; he also declined to acknowledge documents referring to him as acting president. Although Tyler felt his vice presidential oath obviated any need for the presidential oath, he was persuaded that being formally sworn in would resolve any doubts; after taking the oath he moved into the White House and assumed full presidential powers. Though Tyler was sometimes derided as “His Accidency”,[39] both houses of Congress adopted a resolution confirming that he was president. The “Tyler precedent” of succession was thus established.”
As President, Tyler quickly became at odds with Whig leaders in Congress and vetoed much of their legislation. In the process, most of his cabinet resigned. The Whig Party grew fed up with him and expelled him from the party and there was an unsuccessful attempt to impeach him.
After leaving the Presidency he retired to the family plantation in Virginia and sided with the Confederacy during the Civil War.
President Tyler had 15 children, eight with his first wife and seven with his second wife who was 30 years younger. The 13th was Lyon Tyler senior who was born when the President was 63 years old.
The President’s grandson Lyon Tyler junior who died Sept. 26 was born when his father Lyon Tyler senior was 72 years old.
Lyon Tyler is survived by his 91 year old younger brother Harrison Ruffin Tyler.
(with help from the New York Times obituary page)
Albanese did quite a competent job last night; pleased to see him present Labor’s child-care policy, which of itself is election-winning. I think his performance was sufficient to bring to an end the rumblings in Caucus. He’s adopted a quiet approach that differentiates from the
gibberings of Morrison. A BZ for Albanese.
Mavis
I understand why he refers to his mother’s life and his own struggles, but I think he brings it up too often. Time to move on.
Socrates @ #1574 Friday, October 9th, 2020 – 9:53 am
and possibly for our very own Mr. Morrison …
I draw my inspiration this morning from a gentleman running past mi casa with a gorgeous black Labrador who stopped for a chat (the dog of course, the gentleman wanted to keep running).
beguiledagain
‘Fishnets’ Downer scores well on that count, his grandfather was born in 1843.
My grandad was born in the 19th century. He went down pit aged 12, and later marched off to the Gallipoli Campaign aged 19 with the Lancashire Division. Later serving in Palestine with the Camel Corp after convalescing back in England following a shrapnel wound at Gallipoli. He migrated to South Australia after the war and served in the Australian army during world war 2 as an drill instructor and later as a guard at prisoner of war camps.
What happening in nsw with these outbreaks . Wonder if New Zealanders will still be allowed to come
poroti @ #112 Friday, October 9th, 2020 – 9:05 am
I have a grandfather who was born in 1858. He was 51 when my father was born and my father was 41 when I was born.
ajm
My wife’s maternal grandmother was the first white person born in Milang SA.
Re BB @8:50 ”Crowe brings up that pathetic chicken coop stunt as Albo’s vehicle of derision. Truth is, it was a stupid, shallow, obvious, PR circus act, and is thoroughly deserving of a sledge or twelve. Even Morrison abandoned it toot-sweet when it garnered more laughs (of the “funny-peculiar” kind) than Aww-Shuckses. We all sighed “What a dickhead”, and we were right to so sigh.”
All or nearly all political leaders do it at the urging of their PR people and they mostly just look ridiculous. I recall Julia Gillard knitting booties for a royal baby and Paul Keating (who has little or no interest in football) being made by his PR advisers to attend a home game of his local NRL team. No one’s impressed.
Remember this? Scotty completely unable to read a room.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1314343479376396288
My paternal grandparents were born in the 1880s.
ajm
Still time to test your fecundity?
If you can’t hate monsters, what can you hate?
There is a portrait of my paternal grandmother (born 1896) in my place of work.
Her eyes move around the room a little.
I hope Labor can workout the most effective way to use a photo of Scotty with his back turned.
“I just don’t care.”
Mr Andrews told the inquiry he could not recall why he made mention of private security in a press conference on March 27 when he announced that international arrivals would be subjected to mandatory quarantine.
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He should just admit that it was him who made the decision to use private security and move on. Will all come out in the wash anyway.
Taylormade @ #1619 Friday, October 9th, 2020 – 7:40 am
Your view seems to contradict the evidence as usual.
Vale David Andrew Ipp AO QC – the leading ICAC commissioner by a long, long way
BK says:
Friday, October 9, 2020 at 9:04 am
Trump seems to attract some wonderful exemplars of humanity.
Where’s Jon Voight with his bow and arrows when you need him?
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/10/08/us/harris-pence-trump-biden
I can almost see The Donald looking to throw Barr and Pompeo under the bus.
KayJay says:
Friday, October 9, 2020 at 10:01 am
Socrates @ #1574 Friday, October 9th, 2020 – 9:53 am
Kayjay
If Trump does lose, he should give the presidential freedom medal to those he admires before he leaves: Vladimir Putin, Xi Jinping, Kim Jong Un, Roderico Duterte and Recip Erdogan.
and possibly for our very own Mr. Morrison …
I was thinking more along the lines of the presidential freedom and hand job medal for Saint Scotty.
https://sl.sbs.com.au/public/image/file/eae09d1a-142c-4fed-ab71-1c3e9828e344/crop/16x9_large
and
https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/1531857/scott-morrison.webp?w=790&f=96a30779d7a3afdce9b4b51256d39464
Shellbell
Sorry to hear of Ipp’s death. Putting up with the Obeid tantrum would have been stressful.
He made a point once, which I agree with but was never acted on.
In compensation courts the medical experts are picked by government agencies but have no tenure. A friend was dismissed after being involved in disputes with other panel members in which they tried to block unjustifiable compensation (impotence caused by a work related hernia operation- really?) This is a possible area of corruption
Speaking of gerontology, I’m blessed with family histories going back to the 16th century. There is always the chance to embellish, like this quote from my uncle’s book…
‘My maternal grandparents lived in the far north of Russia, at Archangelsk, on the coast of the White Sea. My grandfather, Ignatiev, a retired colonel, was, to say the least, a free spirit. In the best of the old traditions, he had kidnapped the girl who was to be his wife and galloped off with her in a troika to Siberia. They lived there for a number of years and had several children.’
So SA is thinking about putting up the shutters to NSW. The response for NSW and the Feds will be crickets…
https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-advice/growing-covid19-clusters-in-sydney-could-lead-to-tougher-border-restrictions-with-sa/news-story/f78e66c5b0dccb1190416159cdd4276f
Kayjay
Yes I was wondering about Morrison, but not sure if we would get on Trump’s radar.
Scott
“What happening in nsw with these outbreaks . Wonder if New Zealanders will still be allowed to come?”
The key issue is NZ will require them to quarantine when they return home to NZ. That will kill any prospect of inbound tourism from NZ.
5 cases in NSW – Locally acquired – 1 considered to be old
The other 4 are linked to a private health clinic cluster
5 in hotel quarantine
Interesting
The stable genius….
‘In his first extended public comments since being diagnosed with the virus last week, Mr. Trump called for the indictment of his predecessor, President Obama, and his current opponent, Joseph R. Biden Jr., as he revisited events of the 2016 campaign in a meandering, hourlong telephone interview on Fox Business Channel.
He assailed his secretary of state, attorney general, F.B.I. director and a senior Justice Department prosecutor because they have not charged Democrats or released politically damaging information about them. “These people should be indicted,” he said.
The president’s comments came during an interview that, even for him, was a scattershot and manic performance, one that advisers said reflected increasing frustration over his political fortunes just 26 days before an election that surveys show him losing by double digits. In focusing his ire on his own team, he seemed to indicate that he saw October prosecutions as his best chance to rebound.
Mr. Trump called Senator Kamala Harris, the Democratic vice-presidential nominee and the first woman of color on a major national ticket, a “monster.” He said the F.B.I. director, Christopher A. Wray, was “disappointing.” He posited that he might have contracted the coronavirus from a member of a military family. He maintained that he is almost off medical treatments for the virus. And he complained about not being allowed to hold rallies while he remains in isolation.
“I don’t think I’m contagious at all,” Mr. Trump said, although his positive diagnosis was revealed last Friday and people with the virus are typically contagious for at least a week and often longer. Of his treatments, he insisted, “I think I’m taking almost nothing.” His doctor has not said how long he will remain on steroids.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/10/08/us/harris-pence-trump-biden?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
Sprocket
My paternal grandfather left Finland back just before the revolution when it was still part of Tsarist Russia. He died before I was born but I met some of his relatives (still alive) when I visited Finland.
For the “open the schools, kids are OK re covid.” peasants……..
Michelle Grattan demolishes the notion – constantly put about by the gibbons – that Labor can do nothing useful while they are in opposition …
https://theconversation.com/grattan-on-friday-anthony-albanese-tries-to-climb-an-impossible-mountain-147796
Yes, Labor is unlikely to win the next election – certainly with Albo – but this does not mean they cannot set the agenda that the Liberals will need to address if they want to win. Labor can help those in need even if they lose … if they wanted to.
Albo chose child care in this instance, which is fair enough – it is a worthwhile reform in its own right, and also useful as a political wedge – especially as Morrison seems determined to put women back into their “rightful” place as identified by Abbott (i.e. behind their ironing board).
But by not choosing to also set the agenda on climate change, Labor is actually betraying their own base, who will be disproportionately affected by the catastrophic economic consequences of our inaction. Those consequences will be slower to start than the Covid-19 recession, but they will be deeper and last longer.
As the rest of the world – including China – finally starts making significant progress on addressing climate change, articles like this just make you embarrassed to be Australian, no matter which side of politics you are on …
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/agriculture-minister-and-labor-counterpart-dismiss-climate-target-trade-threats-20201008-p5636t.html
Oakeshott Country @ #1628 Friday, October 9th, 2020 – 8:03 am
The Guardian is reporting 10, 5 in quarantine, 5 community transmissions.
OC
The medical panels in Workers’ Comp and Motor Accidents are quite something. The reports never end. Always been a fear that panel members will tow the relevant authority line.
The Dust Diseases Authority medical panel is an exemplar with a worker’s rep, employer rep plus one. Views are almost always unanimous but it is one of the more generous schemes.
Probably better than the old doctor shopping as happened in the days of old. Justice David Hunt (trial judge in Milat), when told who the insurer relied on for medical opinions in a case, described them as the Unholy Trinity and of Sydney psychiatrist Kenneth Dyball, one of the GIO’s “usual panel of doctors who think you can do a full week’s work without any arms or legs”.
Hi Barney
NSW health changed their scoreboard- I have modified my tweet
5 local; 1 old and 4 linked
Socrates
Interestingly Archangelesk which is east of Finland, in Tsarist times was only open to the White Sea for 4 months of the year, the rest of the time the sea being solid ice.
Not anymore, now open nearly 8 months and probably permanently soon.
In any sensible democracy Donald Trump would now be declared unfit for office and replaced. He’d surely meet any reasonable definition of being “of unsound mind”, not someone you’d want in charge of the biggest economy, biggest military and biggest nuclear arsenal in the world.
Hm
In Medico-legal there is a certain former ED director who can draw very long bows indeed
NSW locally acquired…
‘Of the five local cases, all have known sources, Premier Gladys Berejiklian said.
Four are linked to the Liverpool private health clinic which connected three of yesterday’s cases. This cluster is not yet linked to an existing cluster. The Premier said three of the new cases today were household contacts. She added that these cases were spread across a wide range of Sydney suburbs, indicative of the venue alerts issued by NSW Health yesterday.
The remaining local case is believed to be an “old” case, understood to be connected to the Liverpool Hospital cluster.
“[It] was most likely acquired the virus was circulating in low levels in south-west Sydney around August,” Chief Health Officer Kerry Chant said.
And another one in a ship off Newcastle……
‘Further testing is under way after an international crew member on a ship which travelled from Brisbane to Newcastle, north of Sydney, tested positive for coronavirus.
NSW Chief Health Officer Kerry Chant said 14 crew members were tested on the ship upon arrival in Newcastle, with one returning a positive result.
“t was initially thought that test result was reflecting an old infection, but further testing [is] under way because the test results are still inconclusive,” Dr Chant said.
The crew member who tested positive was taken off the ship last night for further testing.
The Chief Health Officer stressed there was no risk to the Newcastle community. The ship and all crew bar the positive case remain docked.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/08/six-people-charged-plot-kidnap-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer?CMP=share_btn_tw
Six people have been charged with a plot to kidnap the Michigan governor, Gretchen Whitmer, that involves links to a rightwing militia group, the Federal Bureau of Investigation announced.
Another seven people were charged with plotting to target law enforcement and attack the state capitol building. The state attorney general, Dana Nessel, announced additional charges under Michigan’s anti-terrorism law. Seven men, all in custody, are linked to the militia group Wolverine Watchmen.
Annastacia Palaszczuk
@AnnastaciaMP
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Friday, 9 October – coronavirus cases in Queensland:
• 0 new confirmed cases
• 4 active cases
• 1,160 total confirmed cases
• 1,150,364 tests conducted
Sadly, six Queenslanders with COVID-19 have died. 1,152 patients have recovered.
#covid19
Confessions @ #1572 Friday, October 9th, 2020 – 8:56 am
Duck Dynasty has a LOT to answer for. Just sayin’.
Would not surprise if Mikakos wakes to find a shovel at her door in the morning.
My son just mentioned he saw a tweet that Pence was CV19 positive.
This shows up in google results but the post pulled by the looks.
PREP. DO NOT PUBLISH UNTIL THE NEWS CROSSES. Vice …deadline.com › 2020/10 › vice-president-mike-pence-te…
2 hours ago — Vice President Mike Pence announced late Wednesday that he is among those who have tested positive in the ongoing White House coronavirus …
Taylormade says:
Friday, October 9, 2020 at 10:40 am
Hey didn’t Liberals say outsourcing is so awesome it works!
And to think the American people voted Jimmy Carter out after one term because he was kinda hokey and his brother traded off the President’s name in a very minor way compared to the Trumps.
Strayan tories avert your eyes………….
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/sunak-plans-carbon-emissions-tax-to-help-rebuild-economy-jbl3gs993
Zerlo @ #1642 Friday, October 9th, 2020 – 8:38 am
Pedantic point:
Those numbers don’t seem to add up.
If 6 have died and there are 4 active cases from 1,160 confirmed cases, then the total recovered should be 1,150 not 1,152.
Terminator @ #1645 Friday, October 9th, 2020 – 11:44 am
I think it was one of PB’s esteemed medicos who observed yesterday that Pence had conjunctivitis, a sign of COVID-19 infection.