Three entirely unrelated bits of information that don’t involve the Eden-Monaro by-election, for which another dedicated post is assuredly not far away (the most recent, and its attendant discussion thread, is here):
• This week’s Essential Research poll looks at indigenous issues and gender equality, finding broadly liberal viewpoints prevailing in each case. On the former count, most agreed that indigenous Australians and Pacific islanders had been “forced to work in Australia in conditions that amounted to slavery”, but 42% agreed that “many of the new cases of Covid-19 in Victoria have been from people who attended the Black Lives Matter protest” compared with 37% who believed it to be false. On gender equality, majorities somehow managed to agree both that there was “still a long way to go” and that it had “already been mostly achieved”, though a lot more emphatically in the former case. Respondents were also asked who got paid too much (bankers and lawyers) and too little (nurses and teachers).
• Tom Richardson of InDaily reports on an imminent package of electoral reform in South Australia, which may include the introduction of optional preferential voting. Labor leader Peter Malinauskas has accused Premier Steven Marshall of a move to “rig the next election”, and invoked the bogey of “the polarisation of our democracy in the way we have seen in the United States”. Malinauskas’s real concern is more likely to do with Greens preferences, the system having raised no such concerns for the Labor governments that introduced them in New South Wales and Queensland, back when its main impact was to weaken intra-Coalition preference flows in three-cornerned contests. The Greens have also declared their opposition, which would leave its upper house fate in the hands of the three survivors of the Nick Xenophon disturbance. The government’s reforms may also include crackdowns on corflutes (which seem to be particularly popular in South Australia) and dissemination of how-to-vote cards at polling booths.
• Justin Hendry of IT News reports the Australian Electoral Commission is looking into a full rollout of the electronic certified list system for marking off voters, which operated at around 10% of polling places at last year’s election. This replaces the more familiar method of paper lists marked off by pencil, which offer no guarantee the prospective voter has not already voted somewhere else beyond the requisite verbal assurance. As such, it can genuinely help prevent multiple voting, unlike a lot of other supposed electoral reforms that are invoked in its name. However, it may also constitute a point of vulnerability to nefarious actors.
Cat and Peebee
What a disgusting response to very real issues. Eg. Pork delivered to Muslim families.
It’s incompetence of discrimination caused by overlooking the very real issues caused by a force led approach. I don’t think religious discrimination was the aim. It’s just the result.
New cases in Victoria ‘in the 190s’
The current Labor leadership has got the advantage , of the by-election result they should build on it , go into mini general election campaign from now on.
It would made me smile, if albanese started to do a bus tour around the electorates
Richard Willingham from ABC
Set to be another record day of new Victorian covid cases.
Sources say in the low 190s… @abcmelbourne @abcnews
Premier’s presser due after lunch, no time advised yet.
Peg
Twitter is a double edged sword because it does let the user follow people and to read their thoughts but the comments to those tweets are often nothing short of nasty.
United States :
Coronavirus Cases:
3,040,833
Deaths:
132,979
– 50,586 new cases and 378 new deaths in the United States
Beemer
The majority of twitter comments are less nasty than the headlines in the Daily Telegraph.
Just like the British put pork fat on the rifle barrels of Moslem soldiers before the Black Hole of Calcutta incident and the Indian Mutiny.
Rallied the Indian masses to inflict atrocities, but was a complete fabrication.
guytaur
You really need to get with the program. It’s politicising the pandemic only when it’s a non-Labor politician.
The irony of KK et al coming out just now calling for more funds to support Cald. Are they politicising the pandemic? Can one infer any criticism of Andrews? Apparently not. If it was NSW instead of Victoria in lockdown we wouldn’t hear the end of the politicisation of the pandemic from the usual PB Laborites who apparently have not been political in their opinions at all, ever.
Guytaur
I doubt that.
Mexican
Then you need to change who you are following. I can assure you. The majority of people on twitter are way less nasty than Murdoch journalists
Guytaur
It is not the people writing the initial tweet that is the problem but people that see the need to write nasty shit in response to the initial tweet.
I’m getting dizzy from trying to follow the posts here.
We all know that the media can only thrive when news is bad and they will pick out the worst aspects of any situation to report. But so do political antagonists.
Bill Shorten
https://www.theage.com.au/national/coronavirus-updates-live-global-covid-19-cases-surpass-11-5-million-as-australian-death-toll-stands-at-106-20200706-p559it.html
Victorian government needs to communicate with tower residents better: Shorten
By Anthony Colangelo
Former Labor leader and member for Maribyrnong in Melbourne – where some of the housing commission flats in lockdown are located – Bill Shorten says the residents must be treated better.
“We and the state government needs to do a better job of communicating with people there, and we need to be a bit more switched on,” Mr Shorten, who has spent a lot of time on the ground at the buildings, told Today.
“These [people] are not prisoners. They haven’t broken any laws. So we need to make sure if they’ve got a phone line to ring it gets answered in a timely fashion and they need to know who can assist them with their needs.
“There’s 60 people there with NDIS packages … we have got to switch on even more than the last 72 hours.
“We just need to treat these people as decently as we can.”
Mr Shorten predicted people would lose their jobs over the Melbourne hotel quarantine fiasco.
“I think on balance [Daniel Andrews] has done a good job,” Mr Shorten said.
“I think there has been mistakes made where some of the quarantine travellers from overseas were monitored and kept locked down and so I think there will be heads to roll over that.”
Guytaur,
The reason the person gave to throwing out the sausage roll, was they were ‘disgusting’.
If the person had said, it was made from pork and she couldn’t eat it because she was Muslim. Fair enough.
If she had said they were off, Fair enough.
But she didn’t she said they were disgusting.
Admit it, it was fake news to embarrass Chairman/Slack Dan.
Beemer
In other words your problem is the majority calling out the nastiness.
This is an inevitable reaction to not having censorship. As twitter uses US standards for its international platform with only a few tweaks for other markets you see the US approach to free speech.
It doesn’t change the fact that the majority of twitter users are less nasty than Murdoch headlines.
C@tmomma
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Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 11:25 am
PeeBee @ #3112 Tuesday, July 7th, 2020 – 11:24 am
Disappointing to see free sausage rolls are described as disgusting. What do these tower people eat normally – fillet steak with truffle sauce?
Maccas.
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Is that really you Pauline?
PeeBee
Admit it. You don’t care about the loss of freedom of choice for the people in public housing that are beneath you. As long as you win the politics.
So it’s reported new cases today in Victoria is around 190.
Concerning that it’s spiking but re-assuring that it’s being captured.
Wouldn’t shock if me Metro Melbourne will be locked down again.
nath @ #2644 Tuesday, July 7th, 2020 – 11:47 am
Yes a poor comment indeed.
A little tolerance wouldn’t hurt.
Guytaur, so you think people should have the freedom of choice to infect other people.
Very Trumpian of you.
The tower people complaining reflects badly on Andrews Labor government. Signal for labor hacks to attack tower people.
guytaur says:
Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 11:47 am
Beemer
In other words your problem is the majority calling out the nastiness.
This is an inevitable reaction to not having censorship. As twitter uses US standards for its international platform with only a few tweaks for other markets you see the US approach to free speech.
It doesn’t change the fact that the majority of twitter users are less nasty than Murdoch headlines.
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Guytaur
Trust you to make that assumption!
The nastiness has nothing to do with calling anyone out and is often nothing short of spite.
Your focus on Murdoch continues to cloud your judgement because i did not say anything about Murdoch or its journalists when the comment from Peg was about a tweet from the MP for Wills and how Peg noticed he was being criticised on twitter for that tweet.
Littlefinger revelling in the ladder of chaos I see…
PeeBee
It’s very Trumpian of you to make that reply
Says everything about you. Confirming my point. The public housing tenants don’t matter in your world. As long as you win the politics
Will the lock down be extended?
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Source: The Australian Live
It was cultural ignorance rather than any deliberate act by the British and it wasn’t only Muslim soldiers. The British introduced cartridges for the Enfield rifles that were greased. Being muzzle loaded the soldiers had to bite the end off the cartridge to feed the powder into the barrel and then push the ball and “greased” cartridge case as wadding down the rifle.
Problem was the “Grease” was animal grease and the Sepoy troops believed was derived from Pig/Beef (and probably both) so the British managed to upset both the Muslim troops and the Hindu troops at the same time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_Indian_Rebellion_of_1857#:~:text=An%20uprising%20in%20several%20sepoy,greased%20cartridge%20with%20one's%20teeth.
Beemer
Your post referred to twitter users. All I did was point out Murdoch publications are way nastier.
Guytaur, WTF. Would you care to explain how you got those conclusions.
You’re the person who wants people to have the freedom to infect others.
nath @ #3136 Tuesday, July 7th, 2020 – 11:47 am
How judgemental of you to sneer at what would likely be one of their favourite foods.
Hmm, calling me Pauline, maybe I should call you Sam.
Guytaur
Yeah and only in your worldview would you compare the two.
Frednk
As a Hospital Administrator it has been interesting seeing the varied reactions of the medical staff. Some ignore the situation, some take a measured approach, some are in absolute panic.
NSW Health has had guidelines in place for the use of PPE since the beginning. These differentiate between droplet precautions and the more rigorous aerosol producing procedures precautions. At the height of the shortage of PPE we had doctors in low risk situations who were insisting on using aerosol PPE to see all patients. I suspect this is the basis of the confrontation that the Age is reporting. In the end we threatened to stand two doctors down, they were not in vital areas and their panic made them less efficient. Also we just couldn’t afford the wasted PPE.
That these current doctors have gone to the press will make management more difficult
PeeBee @ #3150 Tuesday, July 7th, 2020 – 11:58 am
There is no logic in the guytaurverse. Only feelpinions.
nath
omg sausage rolls becomes the focus for attacking tower residents. Apparently, one can take at face value and accept that all the circumstances surrounding these rolls have been reported.
PeeBee
Yeah. Depriving people of the freedom of choice to shop for themselves means you want a pandemic to rage.
Online grocery shopping and food delivery just does not exist
You don’t care about the tenants. You just want to win the politics .
The government is the landlord and is doing the right thing by its tenants. It does highlight problems with these units that should be addressed.
Mexicanbeemer @ #2665 Tuesday, July 7th, 2020 – 12:00 pm
Is any type of high rise adequate for a raging pandemic …?
Mexicanbeemer
It seems there is a problem with contract cleaners, who probably do the minimum required to keep their job. I can only speak from my limited experience with home help, who are given rigid instructions as to what they can do (citing Worksafe) and it is the bare minimum.
Pegasus @ #3128 Tuesday, July 7th, 2020 – 11:36 am
Got your crystal balls out today, Pegasus? I just love the way you Greenites are all-knowing about what we ‘Laborites’ would be doing and saying. Honestly, Pegasus, in lieu of a real debating point it’s pretty pathetic.
Michael
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@rwillingham
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@abcnews
Victoria had the most savage lockdown in the country because we were ‘being cautious’ and we’re doing it to avoid having to lockdown again. Clearly that strategy was proven to be a complete failure – about time they came up with a different approach
Whingers complaining about lockdown approach.
Oakeshott Country says:
Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 11:59 am
Frednk
As a Hospital Administrator it has been interesting seeing the varied reactions of the medical staff. Some ignore the situation, some take a measured approach, some are in absolute panic.
NSW Health has had guidelines in place for the use of PPE since the beginning. These differentiate between droplet precautions and the more rigorous aerosol producing procedures precautions. At the height of the shortage of PPE we had doctors in low risk situations who were insisting on using aerosol PPE to see all patients. I suspect this is the basis of the confrontation that the Age is reporting. In the end we threatened to stand two doctors down, they were not in vital areas and their panic made them less efficient. Also we just couldn’t afford the wasted PPE.
That these current doctors have gone to the press will make management more difficult
Thanks
We are in a very difficult situation and it would seem the press are determined to make it worse.
Pegasus @ #3118 Tuesday, July 7th, 2020 – 11:27 am
Lol. Zero self-awareness alert. 🙂
OC, ‘In the end we threatened to stand two doctors down, they were not in vital areas and their panic made them less efficient. Also we just couldn’t afford the wasted PPE.’
I have a family member on the receiving end of something similar to your administrating oversight.
Favourite tactics:
Not enough PPE – solution declare most areas in hospital low risk.
Not having enough PPE – solution, threaten doctors with dismissal (mind you, in some cases these doctors know more about infection control that hospital administrators.)
From the medical staff’s point of view.
Keep a record of all instructions, threats, and evidence of providing an unsafe work environment for future litigation. Negligence should be easy to prove.
Victoria will win the race to 1,000,000 tests
https://www.covid19data.com.au/testing
There seems to be a lot of greens posters trying to poetry the tower residence in a bad light. It is a difficult situation , they really don’t need the far left trying to use them to start their glorious revolution.
Zerlo …’about time they came up with a different approach’
Which interestingly, they, the whiners never suggest what that should be.
[It will take another cycle of the virus’s incubation period – two weeks – to see if there has been any impact on the spread]
Doesn’t it follow that there has been spread from the increase in number over the last few weeks?