On failure

A look at efforts to get to the bottom of last year’s federal election pollster failure and the Electoral Commission of Queensland’s recent election night meltdown.

The Association of Market and Social Research Organisations has published a discussion paper for its review into last year’s federal election polling failure. It notes that existing standards set by the Australian Press Council are too lax and readily ignored in any case, and suggests a familiar retinue of suggested new standards including full disclosure of weightings used and detail of how preference flows were determined. While the inquiry’s committee and advisory group are impressively credentialled, it should be noted that most actual pollsters aren’t members of the AMSRO. The recent announcement that YouGov, Essential Research and uComms would establish an Australian Polling Council occurred independently of its process, and is likely to be the more consequential development.

Meanwhile, a parliamentary inquiry has been putting the blowtorch to the Electoral Commission of Queensland over the failure of its results reporting facilities at the local government elections and state by-elections on March 28. Excuses include disruption arising from COVID-19, which extended to “coding resources” being locked down in Wuhan, and the complication of combining elections for two state parliament seats with the statewide council elections. It also appears an American firm contracted to provide a new election management system, Konnech, has found itself bamboozled by what the electoral commissioner described as “the complexity of Queensland electoral law”, which “far exceeded that of any other Konnech customer” (a conclusion it would no doubt have reached in any Australian jurisdiction).

The new results website went belly-up on testing a week out from election day, prompting the ECQ to hurriedly concoct the unfamiliar-looking results website that appeared on the night. Polling booth officials were required to submit results through a shareable spreadsheet application, which threw up formating inconsistencies upon transfer to the ECQ system. The ECQ’s technical staff spent the night dealing with the results website issues, leaving corresponding issues with a horrifyingly complex XML results feed to one side. Consequently, the ABC’s results displays remained stuck on a tiny share of the count all night, and updates remained infrequent beyond election night. It is to be hoped that this will all be sorted out before a state election that will be held on October 31.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. As I said some weeks ago here on PB, the worst part was the overall pretense that we had the means in place to control any possible outbreaks. And at the time, the app was all that got attention. As I said, it was an unwelcome distraction. The media never asked pertinent questions like “Will you now show us your modelling to prove you can control outbreaks even if R(eff) is well over 1 as the result of easing restrictions?”.

    All our collective governments have done since that is of any consequence is relax rules for testing. There’s been no mass testing of targeted groups of asymptomatic people. There’s been no planning for or resourcing of the kinds of powerful surveilance and tracking that is really needed. Literally hundreds of people trained to pore over CCTV footage, go through cell network data, look at bank transactions. This is the kind of thing that actually works. You have to build a physical map of every movement someone has made. Every place that person has been to, every bus that person has been on. Everything. And you then need to have the means to identify all the people that person has been near. For example, the person steps onto a train and there are 50 people in that carriage. You need to have the resources to identify and locate everyone on that carriage, isolate them (temporarily), test them and also test anyone they’ve been in contact with.

    That requires enormous training and resources and there’s absolutely no evidence that any government has so far done this. My fear is that its only when we have a second wave that we’ll suddenly get motivated to do this sort of thing. And its all because the second rate marketing man who is our Prime Minster used the app as a cheap trick to lure people into a false sense of security.

  2. The PM told Australians in April the contact tracing app was key to getting back to normal but just one person has been identified using its data
    ———————

    I have been saying it before the app was released

    it will be useless because the lack of testing data, the app will only pickup those who are in the database that are infected.

    those people in the database who are infected should not be in public , they should have been in isolation

  3. Good morning Dawn Patrollers. Not so many links today but there are some quality contributions.

    David Crowe and Nick Bonyhady write that the Morrison government will consider giving more help to workers who have been hit hardest by the coronavirus crisis as it grapples with internal division over whether to bank or spend the $60 billion saving from its recalculated JobKeeper wage subsidy program. There are, however, some in the Coalition that are saying the “saving” should be pocketed.
    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/how-about-we-don-t-spend-it-coalition-divided-over-60-billion-jobkeeper-windfall-20200523-p54vrk.html
    Dannielle Cronin writes that Annastacia Palaszczuk is not for turning. In a week when so many weighed in on whether the state should reopen its borders, the leader held firm and vowed to only heed the counsel of one.
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/queensland/queensland-premier-holds-her-ground-as-state-rivalries-erupt-20200521-p54v42.html
    Josh Taylor explains why he thinks the COVIDSafe app went from being vital to being almost irrelevant.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/24/how-did-the-covidsafe-app-go-from-being-vital-to-almost-irrelevant
    As we begin the process of reopening the economy, it’s important to factor in the potential cost of human life it could cause, writes Bruce Keogh.
    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/its-time-for-scott-morrison-to-play-god,13923
    In quite a worthwhile contribution Simon Cowan says that although Frydenberg will no doubt face continuing pressure over the JobSeeker supplement, in many ways it is JobKeeper that is likely to prove the greater challenge. He also says, While it is important to note that JobKeeper was introduced in response to an external crisis, not in response to perceived market failure, this does not change its nature: we must avoid normalising government bailing out business.”
    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6766679/maintaining-jobkeeper-beyond-the-health-crisis-would-be-a-serious-mistake/?cs=14329
    Paul Karp reveals that a $20m federal government program to upgrade showgrounds delivered just $2.2m to 11 Labor-held seats while the Nationals received more than four times as much – $9.2m – for 10 seats. This has a familiar smell about it, doesn’t it?
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/may/24/coalition-grants-for-showgrounds-gives-nationals-four-times-as-much-as-labor
    The head of the Morrison government commission tasked with coming up with plans to revitalise the economy after the coronavirus crisis, Nev Power, is to step aside from his position as deputy chairman of a gas company over conflict of interest concerns. Well, it IS stacked with industry and business heavies.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/may/23/covid-commission-boss-nev-power-steps-back-at-gas-company-amid-conflict-of-interest-concerns
    Nick O’Malley writes about the Lowy Institute saying that soon climate change will again be the focus of the world, and Australia will again be isolated for its recalcitrant response.
    https://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/carbon-road-map-winning-few-friends-little-influence-20200522-p54vkh.html
    Crispin Hull says Australia easily beats Trump on COVID-19 and he tells us why rational decision-making wins every time. This is an excellent examination.
    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6764900/why-australia-easily-beats-trump-on-covid-19/?cs=14258
    Ben Butler writes that retirees who have lived off a steady stream of share dividends have seen their income plunge as banks cancel payouts, and they face more financial pain in coming months when research shows more companies are likely to slash their distributions because of the coronavirus crisis.
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/may/22/retirees-face-financial-ruin-as-coronavirus-slashes-share-dividends
    Joh Lord reckons that when it comes to climate policy we are being conned if we believe the government.
    https://theaimn.com/we-are-being-conned-if-we-believe-the-government/
    Covid-19 has put Australian charities at risk just when they are needed most.
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/may/24/really-struggling-covid-19-puts-australian-charities-at-risk-just-when-they-are-needed-most
    Don’t blame COVID-19. Target’s decline is part of a deeper trend say these two academics.
    https://theconversation.com/dont-blame-covid-19-targets-decline-is-part-of-a-deeper-trend-139205
    And pfftt! There goes Hertz into bankruptcy in the US.
    https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/hertz-files-for-bankruptcy-protection-as-rentals-evaporate-in-pandemic-20200523-p54vqe.html
    Seven questions answered on how to socialise safely as coronavirus restrictions ease.
    https://theconversation.com/7-questions-answered-on-how-to-socialise-safely-as-coronavirus-restrictions-ease-139109
    Sexual abuse suffered by children leaves a lifetime of damage and can be painful to talk about, as Gerry Georgatos knows first hand. He explains why it takes so long for victims to come forward.
    https://independentaustralia.net/life/life-display/child-sexual-abuse-and-the-difficulty-of-coming-forward,13922
    Sweden’s Covid-19 policy is a model for the right. It’s also a deadly folly says Nick Cohen.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2020/may/23/sweden-covid-19-policy-model-for-right-also-a-deadly-folly
    Lockdown questions continue to bombard the British Government with the Prime Minister facing pressure to sack his closest aide, the rather odious Dominic Cummings, after it emerged that he travelled to his parents’ home despite coronavirus-related restrictions.
    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6767243/johnson-under-pressure-to-sack-top-uk-aide/?cs=14232

    Cartoon Corner

    David Rowe

    Matt Golding

    Mark David

    Alan Moir

    Reg Lynch

    From the US



  4. In fairness, you’d expect that when someone does test, they will get put into isolation. Its the people they’ve been near whilst potentially infectious that you’re trying to track down.

    However, as you say there is an obvious weakness. Those people who get infected but don’t get tested aren’t going to be in the database and are going to continue infecting people. As we ease restrictions and allow people to crowd onto trains and into food courts and R(eff) goes well over 1.0, only extremely well resourced tracking (CCTV footage etc) is going to catch up.

    Of course if you were mass testing the general asymptomatic population now, it wouldn’t come to that.

  5. “Josh Taylor explains why he thinks the COVIDSafe app went from being vital to being almost irrelevant.”

    BK, do I get points for predicting that here? 🙂

  6. Nev Power, is to step aside from his position as deputy chairman of a gas company over conflict of interest concerns.

    FMD. Step aside………….until he steps back in again. What a bent corrupt system.

    “Because of the perceptions of conflict of interest he has stepped back from participating in board meetings and will not participate in the decisions of the board”

  7. Trump Golfs As America Approaches 100,000 Virus Deaths

    As the US continues its grim march toward 100,000 coronavirus deaths, Donald Trump is spending his Saturday at one of his clubs golfing.

    Trump is hitting the links as Americans die:

    President Trump has arrived at his Northern Virginia golf course, his first visit to one of his golf properties since March 8

    https://www.politicususa.com/2020/05/23/trump-golfs-virus.html

  8. Cud Chewer
    Predicitng This Government+IT= FAIL scores very low points due to the EASY PEASY difficulty rating 🙂

  9. “Such is their deference that last week, Frode Forland, Norway’s state epidemiologist, complained that there had been almost no critical media coverage of the high death rate in Sweden.”

    Sadly the Australian media has also shown this blind faith in authority – as well as a lot of Australians. We may not have stuffed up as badly as Sweden, but the mistakes that were made (not closing borders sooner, not locking down sooner) and are being made (not really having the capabilities in place to deal with a second wave, risking crowding of public transport and so on) are being totally overlooked by the media.

  10. poroti I was also predicting that the app would be quickly forgotten. Everyone is now too absorbed with the media telling them how wonderful it is that they can go to a pub. Doncha just love Australia..

  11. Honest media outlets and journalists would be attacking Morrison and his cronies for reneging on the $ 60 billion to help Australians who are in need of help.

    Morrison and co admitted that the $130 billion for jobkeeper was borrowed money.

    Only corrupt media outlets and journalists would lie that Morrison and cronies actually saved Australians $60 billion called it a win fall and it is only $70 billion which was borrowed.

  12. BK

    I love the “Centre for a diseased control..” cartoon 🙂

    Proves the US can occasionally come up with something funny…

  13. Has anyone nailed down precisely how many people are actually in employment?
    _____
    Cud
    It puzzles me how Treasury can get it SO wrong. Sally McManus has pointed to the people who are working off the books for cash. Perhaps this might answer the question, partially at least.

  14. phoenixRed:

    There’s always a tweet!

    Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump
    · 14 Oct 2014
    Can you believe that,with all of the problems and difficulties facing the U.S., President Obama spent the day playing golf.Worse than Carter

  15. From Rex Patrick on Facebook.
    __________
    NATIONAL COVID-19 COORDINATION COMMISSION’S CONFLICTS-OF-INTEREST

    The National COVID-19 Coordination Commission (NCCC) is stacked with executives from the gas and mining industry. Perhaps it’s no wonder that they have come up with a draft COVID-19 recovery plan which centres about underwriting a gas industry expansion.
    When you ask a lawyer a question you get a legal answer, when you ask a doctor a question you get a medical answer and when you ask a gas executive a question you tend to get a gas answer. I have a fear that’s what’s happening in this case.
    Irrespective of the merits of the NCCC’s plans, there is a clear perception of bias. Independence from conflicts-of-interest must not just be the case, it must be seen to be the case.
    One of the ways to address growing conflict-of-interest concerns is for the NCCC to open up its books to show alternative recovery solutions that have been considered (that don’t involve gas) so that everyone can see the cost-benefit analysis that’s been done.
    Transparency acts as a disinfectant and also builds confidence. A continuing lack of transparency will fuel concerns about conflicts-of-interest and private agendas. That will harm the work of the Commission and Australia’s economic recovery from the coronavirus pandemic.

  16. BK

    My gut feeling is that despite all the complaints about how severe our lockdown was, there were actually a lot of people still working, even if reduced hours.

  17. I can see the LNP Wand of Rubbery Figures, Budget Fudging and Outright Lies is going to be worn down to a tiny sputtering twig as Scotty from Marketing and Crony Co. Inc. try to warp and twist nasty reality into their rosy unreality that they want us to believe. Nothing to worry about the masters of economics and fiscal policies will sort it all out.

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/agency-puts-australia-on-notice-amid-concerns-about-household-debt-20200522-p54viv.html

  18. poroti

    Because of the perceptions of conflict of interest …..
    ————-
    With this gang it’s all about marketing. Whether the covidsafe app actually worked is always a poor second to its marketing value …. its perception.

    Likewise with the Mining Coordination Committee…..

    There is little substance to Morrison behind the spin.

  19. The coalition supporters should be attacking Morrison and his cronies increasing Australia’s debt by an extra $ 60 billion when there was no need

    The media and coalition supporters would be calling for the Labor prime minister and treasurer to resign over this $60 billion waste

  20. David Crowe and Nick Bonyhady write that the Morrison government will consider giving more help to workers who have been hit hardest by the coronavirus crisis as it grapples with internal division over whether to bank or spend the $60 billion saving from its recalculated JobKeeper wage subsidy program. There are, however, some in the Coalition that are saying the “saving” should be pocketed.

    I bet there are more than just ‘some’.

  21. https://www.pm.gov.au/media/update-coronavirus-measures-1may20

    We need to continue to have the right controls in place to test more people, trace those who test positive and respond to local outbreaks when they occur. These are amongst the precedent conditions to enable Australia to relax baseline restrictions.

    National Cabinet encouraged Australians to download the COVIDSafe app to ensure that we can protect Australians and reset baseline restrictions.

    The ability to find and contain outbreaks quickly will mean governments can ease restrictions while still keeping Australians safe. National Cabinet thanked the more than 3.5 million Australians that have already downloaded the COVIDSafe app.

    The “Precedent conditions” was a bunch of waffle put out by the AHPPC which incidentally now returns a 404.

  22. That description of the ECQs problems was quite a ride. Can’t help wondering if doing it in house would have been safer and cheaper than an outsourcing process spanning continents.

  23. WTAF! Why were ‘coding resources’ located in Wuhan in the first place!?! Especially when Australian governments have been so gung ho in not letting Chinese software and hardware firms gain access to our systems!?! And then letting an American firm gain the contract to deal with the results of the Local Council and By-elections!?! When the American system is completely alien to ours!?!

    a r could have done it better! 😀

    This tendency to go for low ball pitches for tenders has to stop. For important matters like our electoral process we have to give the job to trusted Australian firms.

  24. Rakali @ #21 Sunday, May 24th, 2020 – 7:38 am

    poroti

    Because of the perceptions of conflict of interest …..
    ————-
    With this gang it’s all about marketing. Whether the covidsafe app actually worked is always a poor second to its marketing value …. its perception.

    Likewise with the Mining Coordination Committee…..

    There is little substance to Morrison behind the spin.

    Scott Morrison is the ultimate Hollow Man. No doubt about it.

  25. Retirees who have lived off a steady stream of share dividends have seen their income plunge as banks cancel payouts, and they face more financial pain in coming months when research shows more companies are likely to slash their distributions because of the coronavirus crisis.

    Those who believe the damage wrought to their share portfolios means they now qualify for a part-pension have been having trouble dealing with a Centrelink system already struggling with waves of the freshly unemployed, the Association of Independent Retirees says.

  26. BK @ #16 Sunday, May 24th, 2020 – 7:21 am

    Has anyone nailed down precisely how many people are actually in employment?
    _____
    Cud
    It puzzles me how Treasury can get it SO wrong. Sally McManus has pointed to the people who are working off the books for cash. Perhaps this might answer the question, partially at least.

    That would be the Black Economy that John Howard was going to get rid of with the introduction of the BAS and the ABN, wouldn’t it? Nope. Nope. Nope. It’s still there.

  27. Holdenhillbilly @ #30 Sunday, May 24th, 2020 – 8:20 am

    Retirees who have lived off a steady stream of share dividends have seen their income plunge as banks cancel payouts, and they face more financial pain in coming months when research shows more companies are likely to slash their distributions because of the coronavirus crisis.

    Those who believe the damage wrought to their share portfolios means they now qualify for a part-pension have been having trouble dealing with a Centrelink system already struggling with waves of the freshly unemployed, the Association of Independent Retirees says.

    I file this under, ‘Karma Is A Bitch’, sorry.

  28. Wouldn’t it be wonderful if we could just restore honest, rational, open, respectful government that operated for the common good.

    It is a fantasy i know, as Australians keep electing people to govern them who don’t actually believe in government, least of all good government!

  29. What an excellent choice of blog title by William today. “On Failure”.

    “If you design an economic stimulus package and you only spend half of it, that’s not good news, that’s a disaster,

  30. ———
    FMD. Step aside………….until he steps back in again. What a bent corrupt system.
    ———
    Words fail me. That they thought they would get away with it and think this ‘stepping down’ makes it OK shows they r not only corrupt but feel they can act with impunity. That they are getting away with it is proof our 4th estate is nothing but a charade and too many Coalition backers and voters don’t care how dodgy their tribal leaders are.

    Hopefully enough voters will see through the fog and change their vote.

  31. Gladys’ edict on social distancing on Sydney’s public transport is throwing up huge practical problems. Telling people to stay home, drive to work and drive the kids to (mostly private) schools is just an attempt to shift the burden onto others.

    I think that eventually she will have to allow more passengers on board and get people to wear face masks.

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/extra-services-added-to-sydney-s-straining-transport-network-20200523-p54vrs.html

  32. You have to build a physical map of every movement someone has made. Every place that person has been to, every bus that person has been on. Everything. And you then need to have the means to identify all the people that person has been near. For example, the person steps onto a train and there are 50 people in that carriage. You need to have the resources to identify and locate everyone on that carriage, isolate them (temporarily), test them and also test anyone they’ve been in contact with.

    Gee, and I was worried people thought I was advocating a police state, by encouraging use of The App. That at least keeps data fairly confidential.

    But once you have what Cud Chewer is demanding above, then it’s “Hello Brave New World”.

    It’s inconceivable that such an ability to trace contacts – “Every place that person has been to, every bus that person has been on. Everything.” – would ever be taken down once established.

    Cud, get some sleep. You’re starting to obsess over this.

  33. ———
    FMD. Step aside………….until he steps back in again. What a bent corrupt system.

    It’s just a jump to the left,
    And then a step to the Right, Right, Right, Right!

    Let’s do the Fossil Fuel Time Warp again! 😉

  34. https://johnmenadue.com/peter-sainsbury-sunday-environmental-round-up-24-may-2020/#more-45964

    Australia has a terrible record of extinctions and it looks set to get worse. A paper published in 2018 identified the 20 mammals and 20 birds at greatest risk of extinction in Australia over the next 20 years. The authors estimated that ‘another seven Australian mammals and 10 Australian birds will be extinct by 2038 unless management improves’. The mammals most at risk tend to be concentrated in Australia’s far north and south-western corner, while the most at risk birds are concentrated in the west coast of Tasmania, Victoria and within 500 kilometres of the NSW coast.
    :::
    Australian politicians quite possibly get the idea of biodiversity loss. What they seem to fail to realise is that every time they approve the logging of another area of native forest, or the extension of an open cut coal mine, or draining a wetland, or the extraction of more river flow or groundwater for agriculture or mining, they are contributing to that biodiversity loss. Every such decision they make, no matter how small, contributes to the global crisis.

    ———

    Quantifying extinction risk and forecasting the number of impending Australian bird and mammal extinctions: https://www.publish.csiro.au/pc/pdf/PC18006

    ———————–

    IEEFA Australia: Investing in carbon capture and storage and relying on voluntary actions on emissions is like revisiting the olden days

    The government’s Climate Solutions Fund offers little hope for financial industry backers of a Paris-aligned economic recovery

    https://ieefa.org/ieefa-australia-investing-in-carbon-capture-and-storage-and-relying-on-voluntary-actions-on-emissions-is-like-revisiting-the-olden-days/

  35. Scott @ #41 Sunday, May 24th, 2020 – 8:41 am

    Where is Scott Morrison ?

    Have not seen him for days

    Doing his, ‘Absence makes the heart grow fonder’, routine before the big speech at the NPC next week. Also, doing his Witness protection routine since the Gas Power Commission stuff blew up in his face. It’s hard to get the egg off. 🙂

  36. A Liberal candidate is facing the sack after details of his long history of driving without a licence, driving unlicensed vehicles and defaulting on fines emerged.

    Christopher Tan was endorsed by the party in February for an upper house seat, but has been under pressure to quit over questions about the suitability of his candidacy.

    Even though he is standing firm and has claimed the fines were “not necessarily of my making” and denying he had skirted his responsibilities as a citizen, WAtoday has learnt his endorsement will be reconsidered by the party’s State Council when it meets in the next few days.

    https://www.watoday.com.au/politics/western-australia/liberal-candidate-faces-sack-after-revelations-he-drove-without-a-licence-with-30-unpaid-fines-20200522-p54vio.html

    Driving unlicensed with 30 unpaid fines against his name. If he were an Aboriginal person he’d be in jail for fine default.

  37. Hopefully enough voters will see through the fog and change their vote.

    That’s my hope….vote for progressive parties instead of the entrenched political duopoly.

  38. C@tmomma

    The GST was also going to put a stop to the cash economy…………………or so The Rodent told us.

  39. Confessions @ #45 Sunday, May 24th, 2020 – 8:47 am

    A Liberal candidate is facing the sack after details of his long history of driving without a licence, driving unlicensed vehicles and defaulting on fines emerged.

    Christopher Tan was endorsed by the party in February for an upper house seat, but has been under pressure to quit over questions about the suitability of his candidacy.

    Even though he is standing firm and has claimed the fines were “not necessarily of my making” and denying he had skirted his responsibilities as a citizen, WAtoday has learnt his endorsement will be reconsidered by the party’s State Council when it meets in the next few days.

    https://www.watoday.com.au/politics/western-australia/liberal-candidate-faces-sack-after-revelations-he-drove-without-a-licence-with-30-unpaid-fines-20200522-p54vio.html

    Driving unlicensed with 30 unpaid fines against his name. If he were an Aboriginal person he’d be in jail for fine default.

    Liberals just think they can tough it out until the heat blows over. Zero accountability. Zero ethics. But I bet this guy is a ‘good Christian’, huh? 🙄

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