What I believe will be the farewell Nielsen poll for the Fairfax papers shows no dividend to Tony Abbott of the carbon tax repeal or (so far) the MH17 response, with Labor’s lead up from 53-47 at last month’s poll to 54-46. The poll of 1400 respondents was conducted from Thursday to Sunday, from which you can draw your own conclusions about its likely responsiveness to what’s occurred over that time. Labor is up three points on the primary vote to 40%, with the Coalition steady at 39%, the Greens down one to 12% and Palmer United steady on 5%. However, Tony Abbott’s personal ratings have improved: his approval is up three to 38% with disapproval down four to 56%, the gap on preferred prime minister narrows from 47-40 to 46-41, and while Bill Shorten is down one on approval to 41% and up three on disapproval to 44%. Even more entertainingly, there are personal ratings for Clive Palmer (approval 37%, disapproval 51%) and a preferred treasurer poll (Joe Hockey’s lead narrowing from 51-34 in a poll conducted I-don’t-know-how-long-ago to 42-42 now.
UPDATE: Phil Coorey in the Financial Review relates results on the leaders’ personal characteristics; more from Michelle Grattan at The Conversation.
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Slackarses.
Boer
I know – fancy not managing things so that you got your request for drought assistance in well before you were actually suffering under drought conditions.
The Federal Government cannot be held responsible for other people’s lack of foresight.
@Zoomster/796
LNP Government in QLD said same last year.
Barnarbi was too busy talking up how many roads we should be building:
http://www.gympietimes.com.au/news/truss-talks-up-federal-budget-benefits-for-us/2316346/
*Truss I should say.
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kakuru
>“Michael wouldn’t use a friendship we had in the past to advance a business interest with me. No way … He’s more professional than that,” he said.”
Well, you can take that to the bank! ]
Which bank? I presume.
🙂
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guytaur
WWP
By your argument where do you draw the line? You would be happy for Shorten to speak at a neo nazi conference?]
Neo-Nazis don’t constitute a significant block of votes in Oz. Christians do.
Beyond that, the content of Shorten’s speech is what matters. Let’s wait and see.
[By your argument where do you draw the line? You would be happy for Shorten to speak at a neo nazi conference?
]
Well I disagree with your basic characterisation of the ACL. I don’t think it has a good character, nor do I think it represents nearly as many Christians as it likes to think. But on the whole it is equal to or better than Senator Bullock in its views IMHO so would be odd for shorten to refuse to go to a group on the basis he does believe their values are acceptable when at least one in his own caucus holds those views.
Bobcat at 746,
Interesting article. Out of curiosity I pasted the figures into a spreadsheet and divided the death figures by the guns figures to get what might be called a “trigger-happiness index”, roughly representing how likely any individual gun (and hence, maybe, gun owner) is likely to shoot someone.
Interestingly, the US is only fair to middling here, beaten by south Africa, , and some surprising candidates in Europe.
Australian gun owners appear slightly less homicidal but still a bit poor compacted to the Poms or three Germans.
I am of the understanding that the ACL only represents the interest of a small minority of Christians in Australia though they may boast a bigger claim than that.
Don’t you just love predictive text?
WWP
Well voters in the WA Senate vote showed what they think. You should take heed of that even if you do want to embrace RW values. So many Labor votes to gain from the RW religious bigots after all.
[ theintellectualbogan
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Bobcat at 746,
Interesting article. Out of curiosity I pasted the figures into a spreadsheet and divided the death figures by the guns figures to get what might be called a “trigger-happiness index”, roughly representing how likely any individual gun (and hence, maybe, gun owner) is likely to shoot someone.
Interestingly, the US is only fair to middling here, beaten by south Africa, , and some surprising candidates in Europe.
Australian gun owners appear slightly less homicidal but still a bit poor compacted to the Poms or three Germans.
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I think ???? this table below is in line with your thinking
List of countries by firearm-related death rate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
El Salvador, Guatemala Honduros etc etc ….. guess they are not counted as “developed’ for the previous study
[THINK I just heard Barnaby saying on ABC Country Hour that if your area is drought declared but the Commonwealth budget for assistance has been spent, you’re on your own…]
Maybe they could strike a levy . . .
[Well voters in the WA Senate vote showed what they think. You should take heed of that even if you do want to embrace RW values. So many Labor votes to gain from the RW religious bigots after all.]
I am not sure if you missed my point completely or not but I thought the selection of Bullock was a disaster – I numbered every box in both elections specially to put him last. And would have for about a dozen reasons even if he didn’t share the ACL’s opinions.
I look forward to Barnyard and Truzzzzz getting out to tell the drought affected farmers that the age of entitlement is over.
briefly, if you are about, check this out.
http://www.theage.com.au/world/photo-of-mh17-wreckage-proves-missile-attack-claims-report-20140722-zvjur.html
The superimposed picture below is rather frightening. I wouldn’t want to know what went through the pilots’ mind when that happened.
How can any self respecting journalist work for Rupert, News Limited is like a fish rotting from it’s head.
A drugs trial involving the singer Tulisa Contostavlos has collapsed dramatically after a judge ruled that it was likely the Sun’s veteran investigative reporter Mazher Mahmood had attempted to persuade a witness to change his evidence and then lied about it under oath.
http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2014/jul/21/tulisa-contostavlos-trial-collapses-sun-mazher-mahmood
WWP
Well then you can see why I said I think Shorten doing this keynote is a mistake.
I then posted a few tweets to show reaction.
You have been busy defending Shorten doing a keynote and using phrases like intolerant fool. This when I have not called for banning the ACL as an organisation.
All I have done is qurstion the choice of doing the keynote and ask if these are values Labor should be associated with?
Essential results out.
[While Essential’s rolling two-week voting intention average has Labor still leading 52-48 (Coalition up one point to 39, Labor down a point to 39, others level), its numbers from last week, from responses mostly in the aftermath of the shooting down of MH17, show the government moving to trail Labor by just two points, 51-49 (with the Coalition on 40% and Labor on 36%). The results reflect the media consensus that Abbott has handled the tragedy, which claimed the lives of 37 Australians and Australian residents, well. The government has struggled for months to recover its standing with voters, after a politically disastrous budget that left both the Prime Minister and Treasurer Joe Hockey damaged.]
Not sure how the Malaysian authorities bypassing the UN on negotiations will affect this.
[SENATOR Jacqui Lambie is looking for a man and she only has two requirements, they must be wealthy and well-endowed.
Speaking on Heart 107.3’s Kim and Dave Show this morning, the Palmer United Party Senator revealed that she hasn’t been in a relationship in 11 years but is open to love.
“They must have heaps of cash and they’ve got to have a package between their legs, let’s be honest,” Lambie said.
“I don’t need them to speak, they don’t even need to speak.”]
I can understand now why Jacqui doesn’t think much of Tony Abbott or Eric Abetz.
They have little cash, speak too much and have small dicks.
http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/palmer-united-party-senator-jacqui-lambie-asks-a-22yearold-male-are-you-wellhung-on-heart-1073/story-fnndfy6b-1226997163380
No further comment needed.
[All I have done is qurstion the choice of doing the keynote and ask if these are values Labor should be associated with?]
So he should call for Bullock to be expelled for being a Christian? Let’s see how that goes.
Raaraa
Given where the aircraft fragment came from, the pilots would have known anything had happened.
Also appears from the fragment photo that “shrapnel” came from below & starboard side of aircraft , which makes the accompanying exploding missile image wrong.
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Well, when she retires from politics (either by choice or not), you can say she’s lined up for the Bachelorette.
Some groups should be engaged with to effect sone form of influence; some groups must simply be opposed. Obviously it’s a judgement call as to where the line is drawn. My judgement would be different from Shorten’s.
Not very good eyesight would be a bonus.
WWP
Yeah you are being silly now. Get back to me when you can point to me talking of banning anyone let alone someone elected to parliament.
Huge difference in choosing not to attend and bannning or expelling. You just see the word christian and react as if it is an attack on you.
Well its not. I have thought of one group I think should be banned that calls itself christian. The Westboro Church in the US from protesting at funerals. So there you go one group I think should be restricted
If Shorten isn’t to associate with ACL types he needs to start by getting rid of Bullock.
don’t know if I’d completely ban westboro baptist but I would certainly ban their public pickets.
WWP
Bullock is a Senator. Unless I am mistaken he is not in the leadership team. Not that it matters if he was. For Shorten to choose to attend is up to him and does not have to happen.
@danielhurstbne: Aus govt argues non-refoulement obligations do not apply to interceptions outside territorial waters @oliverlaughland http://t.co/mQpsRid520
It seems to me that if Shorten is to address the ACL then plainly, he has to be very clear abut the policies of theirs he cannot endorse, and likewise, their perception by others and wher he stands on it.
I see no reason in principle foir him to decline to address them, but ensuring that nobody can say that he is muddying the waters between the values he and they espouse/tolerate would be critical.
That might be more trouble for him than it’s worth, so I am going to say that if he is making that call, in the words of Sir Humphrey Appleby, that’s “brave”.
[ WeWantPaul
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don’t know if I’d completely ban westboro baptist but I would certainly ban their public pickets.
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I remember them from Louis Theroux :
The Most Hated Family in America
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Most_Hated_Family_in_America
Hockey on 24
its Labor and Greens wrecking mining tax repeal apparently
[ sprocket_
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SENATOR Jacqui Lambie is looking for a man and she only has two requirements, they must be wealthy and well-endowed.
Speaking on Heart 107.3’s Kim and Dave Show this morning, the Palmer United Party Senator revealed that she hasn’t been in a relationship in 11 years but is open to love.
“They must have heaps of cash and they’ve got to have a package between their legs, let’s be honest,” Lambie said.
“I don’t need them to speak, they don’t even need to speak.”
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I think also being deaf and having very poor vision might help too ….
I’m guessing a tolerance for halitosis would also be handy.
Keep digging, Campbell:
Queensland Premier Campbell Newman rules out switch from Ashgrove despite Stafford by-election results
FFS! How much “lobbying” does it take to get the UN to condemn the shooting down of a civilian airliner!
Mind you, I guess most people’s natural inclination would be to dismiss Bishop the Younger as a complete airhead, and Abbott as a complete Cnut, so maybe our diplomatic staff DID indeed have to do a lot of lobbying.
Oops – forgot the link:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-22/inside-australia-campaign-un-security-council-resolution-mh17/5614394
Just watched the MH17 Condolence Book signings at Parliament House.
Abbott and Cosgrove have to stand out the front and greet all the ambassadors as they sign, and others.
Cosgrove stands quietly, hands clasped at front, head still, eyes lowered other than to watch the dignitories actually sit and sign.
But Abbott, legs apart, up on toes, flexing knees, head up down left and right, hands behind, then in front then behind, eyes looking at floor, ceiling door, people, head wobbling.
Abbott just can’t do “ceremony” either in words or actions. He has no composure. His rightful place is on a bike, riding around the world. When he’s finished, around again, and again …… For the next few decades while he grows up.
What is really worrying is that the man has no composure, he can’t relax, he’s “fight or flight”ing 100% of the time. So how will he handle a real crisis where leadership decisions impact on the possibility that people might die, as opposed to the current circumstances in which the deaths have already occurred? When decisions will need to be taken after calm, thorough, composed consideration?
We all know the answer I think.
Just watched the MH17 Condolence Book signings at Parliament House.
Abbott and Cosgrove have to stand out the front and greet all the ambassadors as they sign, and others.
Cosgrove stands quietly, hands clasped at front, head still, eyes lowered other than to watch the dignitories actually sit and sign.
But Abbott, legs apart, up on toes, flexing knees, head up down left and right, hands behind, then in front then behind, eyes looking at floor, ceiling door, people, head wobbling.
Abbott just can’t do “ceremony” either in words or actions. He has no composure. His rightful place is on a bike, riding around the world. When he’s finished, around again, and again …… For the next few decades while he grows up.
What is really worrying is that the man has no composure, he can’t relax, he’s “fight or flight”ing 100% of the time. So how will he handle a real crisis where leadership decisions impact on the possibility that people might die, as opposed to the current circumstances in which the deaths have already occurred? When decisions will need to be taken after calm, thorough, composed consideration?
We all know the answer I think.
Interesting conversatioin hour yesterday with Jon Faine. Goes for 45 minutes
[Jon Faine’s cohost is Dr Andrea Carson, lecturer in Media and Politics at the University of Melbourne and an honorary fellow at the University’s Centre for Advancing Journalism.
Their first guest is investigative journalist and author, Ben Hills. His latest book is Stop the Presses! How Greed, Incompetence (and the Internet) Wrecked Fairfax (ABC Books).
Then they are joined by Dr Andrew Dodd, director of the journalism program at Swinburne University of Technology.]
http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/local/melbourne/faineconversations/201407/r1305784_17913220.mp3
Meanwhile in Gaza
[ Oh my God, Fouad … Fouad is one of them. He has been killed,” screams the medical worker before carrying out the body of his friend.
Jaber was on a rescue mission trying to save a family of 10, most of them women and children. He died inside the house while tank shells destroyed the ambulance.
……….. I heard the neighbors screaming for help after a blast. I managed to get outside to try to rescue them, but it was a massacre — women and children all torn into small pieces.”
………..When her house was hit, she screamed out. As neighbors tried to help, they were killed outside her doorstep. “The bodies of men, women and children were scattered all over, and no one could come to help save them,” she says as tears fall.]
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/7/21/gaza-shujayea-shelling.html
[What used to be a three-storey house had been turned into debris sunk into a deep crater with twisted steel rods jutting out. Twenty-six people were killed in the mostly deadly air-strike so far in this bloody conflict. Twenty-four of them were from one family, the Abu Jamaa.]
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelgaza-conflict-the-myth-of-hamass-human-shield-9619810.html
@senthorun: Homophobic violence can be just as brutal in countries that do not criminalise homosexuality. #AID2014 @ORAMrefugee http://t.co/HI5dtmTUtQ
Today’s conversation was with former MP Fran Bailey and Madonna King who has released her book on Joe Hockey. Still not on the website, but also another worthwhile discussion
https://newmatilda.com/2014/07/22/lifters-and-leaners-real-welfare-bludgers
[Make no mistake, the LNP does support welfare, but only if it goes to their wealthy campaign financiers and political contributors.
Those who struggle to make ends meet will continue to be ignored and denigrated by our government.
This is no longer the country of the “fair go” or the champion of the “Aussie battler”.
Australia is now becoming the country of the oligarchs, the plutocrats and the crony capitalists.]
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/22/australia-says-its-obligations-to-asylum-seekers-do-not-apply-outside-its-waters
[The Australian government has argued its international obligations of non-refoulement – returning asylum seekers to countries they have fled in fear of persecution – do not apply to interceptions outside Australian territorial waters.
Government defence documents filed to the high court case examining the interception, procedure and treatment of more than 150 Tamil asylum seekers who left southern India in early June, also reveal that the decision not to allow the asylum seekers to be transferred to Australia was taken by the national security committee, tasked with “major international security issues of strategic importance to Australia” and chaired by the prime minister.]
[I remember them from Louis Theroux :
The Most Hated Family in America]
Louis has done then twice they were more repugnant the second time. I think the head of the church died a third would be interesting.
psyclaw@840/841
Worth posting twice.
Abbott has no self control.
While waiting in a coffee shop this morning to meet someone, I idly flipped through the Herald Sun, that poor excuse for a newspaper inflicted on Melbourne by Limited News.
I can now understand why the Russians don’t want people poking around and finding pieces of their missile!
In what is undoubtedly a world exclusive, the Herald Sun has revealed how it violates all known laws of physics by carrying a warhead of 70Kg when the total weight of the missile, which presumably includes the warhead, is only 55Kg!
Those cunning Russkis!
Those idiots at Limited News!