Tuesday, November 24
Comments thread troublemaker Frank Calabrese has caught the attention of The West Australian’s Inside Cover.
Saturday, November 14
The Fremantle Herald reports Gerry Georgatos is forming a new party he proposes to call the “Real Greens”. Such a name would certainly not be permissible under the Commonwealth Electoral Act, but the state’s Electoral Act does not contain a provision equivalent to that prohibiting a name which “a reasonable person would think suggests that a connection or relationship exists between the party and a registered party if that connection or relationship does not in fact exist” (which was designed to disqualify Liberals for Forests and others like it). Georgatos also disputes Lynn MacLaren’s denial last week that she had been behind the preselection of Hsien Harper, saying she had previously admitted this to him.
UPDATE: I’ve been provided with a more in-depth version of the same article, presumably from the Melville or Cockburn version of the Herald.
Sunday, November 8
The Sunday Times reports Georgatos will be directing preferences to Labor:
Labor candidate Peter Tinley’s chances of winning the Willagee state by-election have been boosted, with independent Gerry Georgatos giving preferences to Labor at the November 28 poll. Mr Georgatos, who unsuccessfully sought pre-selection for Willagee for the Greens, said apart from himself, he believed Mr Tinley was the best candidate. He said Greens candidate Hsien Harper was a “good person”, but he believed Mr Tinley was a better candidate. Mr Georgatos denied giving Labor his preferences as payback for not being pre-selected.
Friday, November 6
This week’s Fremantle Herald features a letter from Greens MLC Lynn MacLaren (right) in which she rejects claims the branch meeting that preselected Hsien Harper was stacked, saying the party’s “consensus decision-making” means “branch stacking isn’t possible”. One who begs to differ is Steve Walker, who has told the paper he quit because of “the appalling dishonesty and branch-stacking within the party”. Notwithstanding that he is no longer involved with the party, Walker claims the Willagee preselection was “all the handiwork of Lynn”, whom he labels “the Brian Burke of the Greens”. The paper also corrects its assertion last week that Walker’s gripe had been that he was overlooked for preselection in Fremantle at the expense of Adele Carles – his aspirations had in fact been for the South Metropolitan seat currently occupied by MacLaren. Walker then proceeded to run as an independent, and lodged an above-the-line preference ticket which was punitive with respect to MacLaren personally: while her Greens running mate Scott Ryan was put second, MacLaren was placed behind all major party candidates (since MacLaren was elected anyway, the real impact of his votes was to help elect the Liberals’ Phil Edman ahead of Labor’s Fiona Henderson).
The Herald page linked to above also profiles Christian Democratic Party candidate Henri Chew, and informs us a candidates’ forum will be held at 7:30pm on Wednesday, November 25 (three days before the by-election) at Melville Senior High School’s performing arts hall. There are ads in the paper for Hsien Harper on page one and Peter Tinley on page three, scans of which appear below.
Friday, October 30
The hugely eventful comments thread for this post has made headlines, providing source material for the front page lead story in this weekend’s Fremantle Herald (the Georgatos letter referred to at the end of the scanned article is an edited version of this comment). At issue is the manner in which Hsien Harper was installed as Greens candidate at the expense of Gerry Georgatos, who was preselected earlier in the year when it was felt Alan Carpenter might join Jim McGinty in allowing for a by-election on the same day as the daylight saving referendum in May. Georgatos indicated he was in favour of nominations being reopened when Carpenter did eventually pull the plug, but “party insiders” cited by the Herald say he was “pushed into the decision”. Hsien Harper’s backers got the better of the ensuing preselection meeting, prompting opponents to complain it had been stacked. Georgatos subsequently nominated as an independent, and was promptly forced out of the party.
The sidelining of Georgatos is believed to have occurred largely at the instigation of Lynn MacLaren, member for the corresponding upper house region of South Metropolitan. As the Herald puts it: “About 20 unhappy supporters have since been venting spleens on the Poll Bludger website, with one saying ‘okay, like the others I am a Green – [Lynn] MacLaren and [a] few others knifed him’.” It has been said that Georgatos was felt not to have paid his (metaphorical) party dues; that the campaign might suffer from what one aggrieved comments thread contributor describes as his “outspoken qualities”; and that a candidate with Harper’s union background would in any case be a better bet in a traditional Labor electorate like Willagee.
The dispute also appears to have opened old wounds relating to Adele Carles’s recruitment as candidate for Fremantle at the 2008 election, with some in the party said to have unhappy memories of her as an independent rival to erstwhile upper house MP Jim Scott when he ran in Fremantle in 2005. The nomination of Carles came at the expense of Steve Walker (UPDATE: Or so the Herald reported, but it appears not – see below), described by the Herald as a “founding member” and “loyal warrior for the Greens in various campaigns”. Here too tactical motivations were thought to have been in play, with Carles’s professional background, conservative presentation and young family greatly assisting the party when it sought to win over the Liberal voters who ultimately decided the by-election in her favour (UPDATE 2: The Fremantle Herald confirms it erred in linking Walker to the Fremantle preselection in the next week’s edition – see the entry above).
The ABC’s Peter Kennedy writes about the by-election here, and discusses it here. I’ve also scanned in a full-page Labor ad from the Fremantle Herald – click on the thumbnail to the left for a full view.
UPDATE: Minutes later, Greens convenor Scott Ryan responds:
There are substantial errors of fact in the Herald article that are repeated on your site. Steve Walker did not attempt to pre-select for the State seat of Fremantle in 2008. Adele Carles was preselected unopposed. Steve had already left the party after unsuccessfully nominating for South Metropolitan, choosing to contest that as an independent. Any suggestion that Walker was dumped for Carles is entirely fictitious.
I am not aware of any discomfort over Adele running as an independent in the same election as Jim Scott. She ran on coastal issues and to the best of my memory swapped preferences 2-2. If there are some members who have “unhappy memories” of this, I can of course not rule it out – though it’s nothing I’ve ever heard expressed in years of service to the Fremantle Greens.
As for the remainder of the story, The Greens have not attempted to officially respond to the comments on the site and will not be drawn into debate on that level. Allegations contained within are simply preposterous and delusional.
I have personally maintained communication with Gerry and he maintains that the process was fair and appropriate, and that he was not pushed into re-opening nominations.
I realise that what is said can never be unsaid and perhaps the original posters simply had no idea how damaging their comments would be to Gerry’s campaign and to ours. I am disappointed that the Herald has resorted to cut-and-paste journalism without the fact-checking step in between.
Thursday, October 22
Nominations have closed and the ballot paper order has been drawn, with a modest field of four candidates. Intriguingly, one of the four is Gerry Georgatos, who earlier gave every indication of being relaxed about the re-opening of Greens nominations which ultimately saw him make way for Hsien Harper. The ballot paper order runs Henri Chew (Christian Democratic Party); Peter Tinley (Labor); Hsien Harper (Greens); Gerry Georgatos (Independent).
Wednesday, October 21
The Greens have preselected Hsien Harper, an organiser for the Community and Public Sector Union who ran in Willagee at the 2005 election. Harper was also the party’s candidate for Maylands at last year’s state election, and at the Murdoch by-election earlier in the year.
Sunday, October 18
The Liberals confirmed on Friday they would not be fielding a candidate. The Greens have issued a statement to clarify their reopening of preselection:
The Fremantle-Tangney regional group of The Greens met on Tuesday the 6th of October to discuss opening of nominations for Willagee, selecting a 2-week process for nomination and selection. This process will conclude at a meeting on Tuesday the 20th of October with the selection and announcement of a candidate. Prior to the Fremantle by-election, the Greens chose to not only pre-select a candidate for Fremantle but also for Willagee, expecting a small chance that Alan Carpenter may resign at the same time as Jim McGinty. As this did not occur we elected not to announce the candidate publicly, thinking that it may be seen as an arrogant, provocative or disrespectful move. The candidate selected at the time was Gerry Georgatos. Seven months have passed since the original process, and while there is no question of validity in the previous process, the political landscape has changed somewhat after the victory in Fremantle. Many new members joined in the surge of enthusiasm and the overall chemistry of the party feels a little different. With these issues in mind a proposal was put to the Fremantle-Tangney group to consider re-opening nominations. Gerry himself was joint author of this proposal, stating to the Fremantle Herald (Oct 3) “I feel that I should not hold [the branch] to a decision made seven months ago and would rather ask the members if they want more input. The Greens and I do business differently to the [other] political brands – it’s got to be participatory democracy or there isn’t democracy”. Gerry intends to nominate again as part of the new process.
Tuesday, October 13
Chalpat Sonti of WAtoday reports November 28 has been set by Speaker Grant Woodhams as the date for the by-election (hat tip: Frank Calabrese).
Monday, October 12
The ABC TV news reports, from sources unnamed, that the by-election is believed likely to be held on November 28.
Saturday, October 10
The Fremantle Herald reports Greens state convenor Scott Ryan saying the party will “open up the preselection process again”, despite having preselected “university guild manager Gerry Georgatos” in February when it was thought Carpenter might head for the exit to allow for a by-election on the same day as the daylight saving referendum.
Wednesday, October 7
LATE: Paul Lampathakis of the Sunday Times reports Peter Tinley has been unanimously preselected by Labor’s 16-member administration committee.
EARLY: The ABC reports there are five candidates for Labor preselection: the aforementioned Tinley and Hume, “Labor branch officials” Tony Toledo and Greg Wilton, and Stephen Dawson, former chief-of-staff to Carpenter government Environment Minister David Templeman. Rewi Lyall in comments hears the latter has been endorsed by the party’s Left caucus. Contra the Fremantle Herald, David McEwan is not on the list.
Friday, October 2
The Fremantle Herald reports two further candidates for Labor preselection: Dave Hume, who made a quixotic run against Peter Tagliaferri for the Fremantle preselection and is currently a candidate for Hilton ward in the Fremantle council elections, and David McEwan, an “environmental lawyer involved in the campaign to stop the extension of Roe Highway through the Beeliar wetlands”.
Monday, September 28
Robert Taylor of The West Australian reports Dave Kelly has confirmed he will not be a candidate for preselection. That gives pole position to Peter Tinley, who it so happens lives in Beaconsfield – not in the electorate, but very close to it. Taylor further reports the Greens candidate is expected to be “lawyer and environmental campaigner Graeme McEwan”. CORRECTION: Had the wrong end of the handle here. McEwan is not a Green; Taylor does not say exactly what he is, but I’m presuming he’s a Liberal (although I would have thought it unlikely they would field a candidate).
Sunday, September 27
A report by Paul Lampathakis of the Sunday Times suggests I may have spoken too soon in anointing Dave Kelly as the likely Labor candidate: Peter Tinley, the former SAS officer and Iraq war veteran who unsuccessfully contested Stirling at the 2007 federal election, has confirmed he will nominate, and is the only potential candidate listed in the article. Labor state secretary Simon Mead is quoted saying the preselection will be conducted “within ten days”. The Lampathakis article quotes unnamed Labor figures lambasting Carpenter for not timing his departure to allow for the poll to be held concurrently with the Fremantle by-election and daylight saving referendum on May 16; relatedly, Rebecca Carmody writes in the Sunday Times that Alannah MacTiernan should “do the right thing” and go now so that the Willagee by-election can coincide with one for Armadale.
Friday, September 25
Former WA Premier Alan Carpenter has just announced on the ABC’s Stateline program that he will resign from parliament next Friday. This will initiate a by-election in his safe Labor seat of Willagee, located just down the road from the Poll Bludger’s humble abode in Fremantle. Likely Labor candidate: Dave Kelly, state secretary of the Liquor Hospitality and Miscellaneous Union.
For non-local observers excited by the prospect of a by-election in the seat neighbouring Fremantle, I have assembled a few stats for cold shower purposes. Unfortunately, the census figures are based on boundaries from before the one-vote one-value redistribution – Fremantle’s would still be pretty accurate, but Willagee would have gotten a bit wealthier. “MFY” stands for median family income.
| WILLAGEE | FREMANTLE | |
| ALP 2008 | 51.7% | 38.7% |
| LIB 2008 | 30.9% | 30.2% |
| GRN 2008 | 17.4% | 27.6% |
| ALP 2005 | 47.9% | 43.8% |
| LIB 2005 | 25.1% | 26.8% |
| GRN 2005 | 9.0% | 17.1% |
| Professionals | 17.7% | 29.2% |
| MFY | $1,137 | $1,313 |
| Mortgages | 35.0% | 26.9% |
| Family households | 65.5% | 56.9% |
| Public housing | 33.6% | 19.6% |
[I’d say right faction – otherwise you’ll have to start calling Whitlam ‘right wing’]
Is that old or new right ?? 🙂 (jujst to confuse things 🙂
Old. Although he is quite young 😛
Hello DMIX,
Listen mate, as per usual you too have your facts wrong. Prior to me taking over as Guild Manager after I was selected unanimously by a selection panel of five (two staff, two Council and one MUPSA) the preceding Guild Manager was there for eight weeks only and the one previous, the one you mention, was there for 6 and half years. You are wrong that during his time the Guild was cash positive at all times. What was left at the end of the 2005 calendar year (our financial year) was cash positive however with a pending minimum $800,000 deficit with the oncoming VSU.
Their management may have been good, and I am sure they did their best, however in terms of your statements you are incorrect.
You are wrong to state that during those 6 and half years the Guild was cash positive. It was not. If not for USU in 2003 they were faced with a near half million debt at that time. On a couple of occasions they had to borrow from the University to make ends meet when they were not cash positive. On the occasions they borrowed it was no less than $150,000 at a time. Sorry DMIX you are incorrect and I am the only Guild General Manager to keep us cash positive AT ALL TIMES. I have never found myself in the position, never put the Guild in the position to borrow from the University.
When I first got involved with the Guild, prior to Management, the Guild was in USU not VSU therefore with the extra million dollars in funding you’d imagine they’d have a healthy surplus, however in that very first summer on board the good ship Murdoch Guild, to everyone’s surprise, after then Management assured me that we were cash positive it turned out we were $92,000 in deficit, and they organised for a $150,000 interest bearing loan from the University. This has never happened to me as I cash flow manage the Guild on a daily basis. I have the respect and regard of all my Guild colleagues, and especially those who have been here for a while who know that I have financially saved this Guild, and that includes the respect of Anthea (22 years at the Guild), Veronica (15 years at the Guild), Simon the Tavern Manager, Adrian the Sport and Recreation Manager and the rest of them.
You are also incorrect about the previous Guild Manager’s wage, and it is public record in our financial statements that it was $90K not $70K as you state, and it is public record that I started on much less than this, at $67 to help the Guild out though I left them a record surplus in that year, which has assisted them through VSU. I have finished at the $100 mark, which is the equivalent of a General Manager’s iaverage minimum wage, and which I was appreciative of, though this is the minimum of what I can earn anywhere, and remuneration has never been one of the great drivers of my life. You say you’re an old timer then grow up.
Prior to my Management of the Guild my Guild colleagues were to my horror in a presumed rights issue organisation one of the lowest paid in the country. A disgrace. Without any of them asking I went about sorting this out. We have an 8 step classification pay schedule, and I am proud to say that I have no staff on levels one or two which was predominant prior to my arrival in Management, and I have most staff at levels 4,5 and 6. I am level 8. Murdoch University may have remuneration issues with its staff, and that is up to them to sort, however the Murdoch University Guild of Students has good remuneration standards. I also improved, 21 areas, the EBA, and I won the 37 hour week, though I believe in the 35 hour week (at this time).
I will not comment on some other ludicrous assertions as it would be highly inappropriate.
You too are welcomed to a coffee and chat. The truth changes things.
Kindly, Gerry
(Written and Authorised by Gerry Georgatos, 9 Arion Avenue, Harrisdale, 6112)
gerry
your grace and good humour is quite astonishing in the face of some of these rather nasty and juvenille attacks.
I suggest that because you are a clean skin, the forces of the darkness are trying to discolour your character by constant innuendo and “he said-she said” guff.
Ignore them, as they know what they speak or do or even smoke is ethereal and not grounded in reality.
Sour Grapers would be most apt to descibe them perhaps.
Thanks.
(I’d like to think I don’t have to ‘authorise’ a ‘thank you’ comment!)
[I’d say right faction – otherwise you’ll have to start calling Whitlam ‘right wing’]
At some point you will have to stop invoking the memory of a Government that is over 30 years old to justify why you think the ALP is progressive now. I think any reasonable political observer would conclude the ALP has shifted and continues to shift further to the right.
To invoke the memory of Whitlam is kinda like saying “Well I used to have long hair” in response to an observation that you are now going bald.
The ALP used to be progressive, not anymore.
[To invoke the memory of Whitlam is kinda like saying “Well I used to have long hair”]
Which I did
[in response to an observation that you are now going bald.}
Which I am 🙁
[At some point you will have to stop invoking the memory of a Government that is over 30 years old to justify why you think the ALP is progressive now. I think any reasonable political observer would conclude the ALP has shifted and continues to shift further to the right.
To invoke the memory of Whitlam is kinda like saying “Well I used to have long hair” in response to an observation that you are now going bald.
The ALP used to be progressive, not anymore.]
I would have said Hawke or Keating but I think you would have disagreed with me, so i went for the failsafe.
I would have agreed that Hawke and Keating were right wing and still are.
Antony Green’s Guide.
http://www.abc.net.au/elections/wa/2009/byelections/willagee.htm
I think he’s on the money 🙂
Right. So you confirm that you are being paid more than the guy you fired for being paid too much.
Thats all I wanted to know.
And for what its worth, I know full well how those staff and financing committees worked, impartial is not quite the word I’d associate with them, particularly under the influence of a dominant personality.
And no Gerry its not Juvenile, for many of the victims of your ascent, its been very personally affecting actually.
I offer no comment other than this was a live to air interview on RTR on Oct 22,the day after Hsien Harper was pre-selected as the Greens Candidate and prior to the close of nominations.
http://www.rtrfm.com.au/stories/type/interviews/category/politics/1658
Mr Gerry Georgatos, I have a question for you.
Have you entered an agreement with your employer to utilise Murdoch University facilities, staff, office equipment, fax machines, mobile telephony, computers, internet access technology for electoral purposes?
Have you entered an agreement with the Murdoch University Guild or sought approval from a meeting of correctly assembled Guild members to utilise Guild facilities, staff, office equipment, fax machines, mobile telephony, computers, internet access technology for electoral purposes?
I cite post @289.
I cite post @565.
I cite post @585
Just asking. If you have then that’s cool. I don’t think John Yovich will be so cool with the concept. But then he is really rather uptight.
[I would have agreed that Hawke and Keating were right wing and still are.]
And that’s when it should dawn on you that your views are just a little far from the mainstream.
kargotichroad.
[Mr Gerry Georgatos, I have a question for you.
Have you entered an agreement with your employer to utilise Murdoch University facilities, staff, office equipment, fax machines, mobile telephony, computers, internet access technology for electoral purposes?
Have you entered an agreement with the Murdoch University Guild or sought approval from a meeting of correctly assembled Guild members to utilise Guild facilities, staff, office equipment, fax machines, mobile telephony, computers, internet access technology for electoral purposes?]
I believe the contact numbers for George were registered with the WA Electoral Commission as his contact details and were posted here.
Re his flyers, by law it must have the name and address of the person authorisinfg it and where it was printed.
http://www.waec.wa.gov.au/elections/state_elections/2009_Willagee_By-Election/documents/Contact%20details%20of%20candidates.pdf
Is your name Mr Gerry Georgatos? If no, then don’t answer.
Hello DM,
Shame…
All my printing (10,000 cards) has been done at Graphic Source at Jolimont. I have printed no other materials.
My artwork for the advertisements in the Heralds and Community Newspapers have been done by me.
I have paid for the 10,000 cards. I have paid for the advertisements in four Herald newspapers. I have paid for the advertisements in two Community Newspapers.
All my cards have my authorisation and my address on them, and where they were printed, which is Graphic Source, Jolimont. My advertisements have my authorisation, and my address.
One mobile phone belongs to me, the other to my partner.
I own the legs and heart that have done the door knocking.
Dear Kargo, in terms of my name I have been known as Gerry Georgatos since I was born, and I am the only one in my family (being of Greek extraction) who has not anglicised his official first name – and as such it appears on my passport and drivers licence and on my qualifications as Gerasimas, therefore I am officially Gerasimas Georgatos – however the WAEC allows for a preferred name to appear on the Ballot and this is the name I have been known by all my life, Gerry Georgatos.
Gerasimas, is the name of my paternal grandfather and the name of a ‘Saint’ who lived and died on the island my grandfather lived on, who both were well-diggers and builders who worked in serf-like conditions. Gerasimas means to ‘grow old and wise quickly and who is a friend to the poor’.
DMX, you make me quite sad reading you. You are a person inundated with a one-sided story and untruths and factual inaccuracies. The fact is you have everything wrong about the history of the Guild and my involvement in a number of matters. You also don’t listen to anything that doesn’t suit you, such as the pending near million dollar deficit that I guided the Guild out of upon my selection and appointment as their manager, nor the betterment of so many people’s lives, and that includes those that have left the Guild when their tenure was up, nor the fact that I have provided more programs at the Guild than anyone its history. You are always a coffee and a chat from the truth, however maybe you don’t want me to know who you really are. I hope you do well with the opportunity you have at hand and I congratulate you on it!
You made a previous reference to Mat Menzel in terms of the fact he provided for a period of time a computer program. I really like Mat very much and it’s great he had such a program going, such as many other people around the country have and will have. I wasn’t aware of his program when I put 8Ball together, is there a patent on recycling? I did learn subsequently from Mat that he did have a program going for a while, and another friend of mine, Ray Grenfell, mentioned to me that he did have such a program at a point in time. Mat is a great person with great ideas and good on him. The program I put together from my home in Kardinya in 2004 was a result of my discovery from students I taught at Murdoch and at its Rockingham campus in computer literacy that they had no computers. I was appalled to find out how many students did not have a computer. So I went hard in creating this ad hoc program, recycling and refurbishing computers which were DONATED FREE to them and it took off from my home and eventually the Guild allowed me some space, then the University, then the Guild again to recycle and refurbish computers – the rest is history and we have now done 50,000 computers to WA community and 9 sea containers to destinations all over the world. Another load is being collected today for Nigeria and next week for the Congo. However each year a 1,000 Murdoch students score a computer, and more to schools, community groups and citizens, Aboriginal communities and home care, etc., etc., etc… Great.
You’re a funny person, you stick to one side and refuse a moment of sincere reflection.
Look forward to your next big contribution (or the Ides of March).
Love, Gerry
(Written and Authorised by Gerry Georgatos, Independent Candidate for Willagee, 9 Arion Avenue, Harrisdale, 6112)
SNIP: Name-calling deleted – The Management.
Gusface, responding in kind proves nothing.
Can we exercise a little restraint here? I know that the internet has been described as a “robust” forum, but I thought we could at least stay reasonable civil at this point. The election result will be known in a few days, we can then trawl through the entrails of the campaign (as is some peoples want), and try to analyse what has occurred here. I have no doubt that Tinley will win, either on first preference or soon after. There was never going to be a repeat of Fremantle – the two seats really are quite different, demographically and politically.
Oh, and are you suggesting that the CDP will outpoll The Greens? That doesn’t sound terribly likely does it?
[Oh, and are you suggesting that the CDP will outpoll The Greens? That doesn’t sound terribly likely does it?]
The order will be
1.lab
2.gerry
3.green
[Can we exercise a little restraint here? I know that the internet has been described as a “robust” forum, but I thought we could at least stay reasonable civil at this point.
stewartJ
A tad rash I agree but respond in kind if thats how people understand communication.
some of these posts are pure baiting/smear
The order will be
1.lab
2.gerry
3.green
The interesting question then is why will this be the case and what conclusions will people draw from it? (All right, interesting two questions).
I’m not convinced this will be the case – Gerry himself admits to not having doorknocked the whole electorate, and plenty of those will be voting along party lines (ie; ALP). What it might mean is that Tinley goes to preferences rather than be elected on primary’s. Last election Carpenter got 51% – you’d expect that to remain stable or even rise given no Lib candidate. The Greens at the same time got 17%, so why would that necessarily fall? Gerry might pick up some of the Libs 30%, but those voters are just as likely to vote CDP or just not turn up. Fremantle Herald coverage and doorknocking notwithstanding, I’m not convinced Gerry will get more than 10% – which would be a good showing given the work he has apparently put into the campaign. And as this is a by-election I wouldn’t be surprised what happens to anybody’s votes, but I would still expect to see the Greens primary at around 20%.
stewartJ
I hope I am right, as from the tone and tenor of gerry’s posts,he is well known and widely involved in the community.
the attempted smearing aint a nice look for the greens. most voters notice stuff like that and will support the underdog.
Oh, and the CDP on 8-10%, Tinley on 55% and the rest informal.
Gusface – well, I would have said that at least some of the comments on here suggest that Gerry is not universally loved, or that he may even be a polarising force. As to voters – they are just as likely to switch off and stay home.
And I have to say, the Greens as a party has not gone around smearing Gerry – if some individuals on here have thats up to them, but I haven’t heard of anyone doing it publicly (although from 3000k’s away its a little hard to hear everything thats being said!). Even the Fremantle Herald reports that William has posted here don’t carry smears, except from Steve Walker and Gerry supporters against Lynn McLaren – and thats the Heralds reporting, not anything from Gerry, I might add. So I’m just not sure of how any “smearing” is being broadcast such that voters will hear it.
Gerry, with repspect, I think the comments from Kargotichroad were directed a little less at the origins of your name and a little more at the use of the “9360 6288” phone number which, if memory serves, looks a little like a Murdoch University phone number.
I am not sure what the Electoral Act says about using government funded resources (even telephones) in you campaign but I suspect it is probably not okay.
[coming third is really going to cut you up and your post’s increasingly reflect this]
Gusface, you may well be right. If Gerry is able to even get 50% of the 350 signups to the “Real Greens” out to staff the booths on the day then he will outnumber anyone else by 2 to 1. I presume they have all been busy letterboxing and doorknocking on his behalffor the last 3 weeks.
Congratulations of the small article in Inside Cover today Frank. It must be nice to see all your dirt digging pay off in such a small way.
[Congratulations of the small article in Inside Cover today Frank. It must be nice to see all your dirt digging pay off in such a small way.]
Not as much as the fecal sandwhich a certain blogger is consuming 🙂
And it wasn’t my digging – the original link was sent to me by someone else- I merely pasted it here as a companion piece to my original posting of the edited version.
http://tonyserve.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/the-fawning-interview-with-hsien-harper-including-the-riginal-declaration-of-myself-as-a-supporter-and-sometimes-advisor-to-the-greens-think-of-it-as-the-unauthorized-hsien-harper-fan-club-leav/
Cheers luke
I think this thread has developed farcial tendencies.
[I am not sure what the Electoral Act says about using government funded resources (even telephones) in you campaign but I suspect it is probably not okay.]
segue
[Congratulations of the small article in Inside Cover today Frank. It must be nice to see all your dirt digging pay off in such a small way.]
Some advce to the Greens, if yoju want to be taken seriously as a political party, at the very least ensure your videos are shot in a QUIET area and you don’t use the on camera microphone – you can hear talking in the background.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmvM4sVlt2M&feature=player_embedded
If someone could type up the content of the Inside Cover story for those of us playing from home, that’d be ace.
[If someone could type up the content of the Inside Cover story for those of us playing from home, that’d be ace.]
Hopefully William will scan it in 🙂
Inside Cover certainly gave Tony Serve a ‘hard’ time in the tongue-in-cheek piece this morning page two. Hsien Harper is mention by name twice and quoted twice from the mp3. And Carpenter is rightly accused of being a dork. How true. He was always a grumpy dork in Governor Stirling Tower, rude prick. Let’s face it, Tony Serve copping a bit of ribbing from Rob Broadfield is hardly the expose you expected. Maybe you should get out more?
And to top it off there is a full colour photo of Hsien Harper on page two. I guess Hsien should thank you Frank for the great exposure. Well done for doing Simon Mead’s bidding.
[Inside Cover certainly gave Tony Serve a ‘hard’ time in the tongue-in-cheek piece this morning page two. Hsien Harper is mention by name twice and quoted twice from the mp3. And Carpenter is rightly accused of being a dork. How true. He was always a grumpy dork in Governor Stirling Tower, rude prick. Let’s face it, Tony Serve copping a bit of ribbing from Rob Broadfield is hardly the expose you expected. Maybe you should get out more?
And to top it off there is a full colour photo of Hsien Harper on page two. I guess Hsien should thank you Frank for the great exposure. Well done for doing Simon Mead’s bidding.]
I do no-one’s bidding – Daniel Hath asked for a copy, I obliged as he saw it here.
Read Lord Serve’s blog – eating a fecal sandwkich is the best ddescription.
Pot Meet Kettle are you doing Mother Hsien’s biddking against Gerry G ??
What, no-one else wants to take a punt at the likely outcome? I’ve put my numbers down (as above):
ALP – 55%
Grn – 20%
Georgatos – 10%
CDP – 10%
Informal – 10%
Maybe a little slackness towards a few percent either way, but in the general ballpark. Tinley as an ex-SAS soldier, and revving up Laura Norder, Greens on a slight rise given it is a byelection, Georgatos picking up disaffection/disaffected Libs/Greens, CDP getting some Lib votes, Informal making up for people not wanting to vote, and a turnout somewhere around 70%.
Of course, I could be completely wrong…
The State Secretary of the ALP Simon Mead found the link, told you and you dutifully performed your task.
I have a mate in the Chancellery at Murdoch. She noticed the phone number. I am asking for Mr Gerry Georgatos to answer the questions @613.
Does Murdoch University sanction university offices and property being used for electoral purposes?
My University doesn’t.
[The State Secretary of the ALP Simon Mead found the link, told you and you dutifully performed your task.]
Wrong
I got the link from someone else in the party who askded for te edited version which I supplied and he then gave me the unedited link.
And YOU are a hypocrite considering youji are doing Motgher Hsien’s dirty work against both Peter Tinley and Gerry Georgatos.
Smacks of double Standards I say.
ALP – 52%
Grn – 15%
Georgatos – 18%
CDP – 5%
Informal – 10%
best guesstimate
[The State Secretary of the ALP Simon Mead found the link, told you and you dutifully performed your task.]
Oh and if Mother Hsien found some dynamite audio/video of eter Tinley wouldn’t you also spread it far and wide ??
Or are the Greens so pure they wouldn’t do it, but hive it off to so called “concerned voters” like they did in Fremantle ??
It seems i’ve exposed another example of the glass Jaw Syndrome, you can dish the crap at Labor and Gerry G, but if Mother Hsien is involved she is a ;rotected species like an old grlowth forest.
Hypocrites.
Isn’t it ALP policy to not log old growth forest?
[Isn’t it ALP policy to not log old growth forest?]
And who did the CFMEU flock to in 2004 in Tasmania and welcomed with open arms ?? Not Latham or St Bob.
Keep digging that hole.
My recollection of events trumps your spin Gerry. I was *there*. You can fool other people, but you can’t fool witnesses and you can’t fool yourself.
How could you not have known about the program Gerry?
You where on the freaking Secretariat when his program was running, god even when the busy-bees where on? Its all Matt ever talked about , and he was there bashing peoples ears in about it right up to the point posters started to appear trumpeting your successful project.
You didn’t just stumble across the same idea by accident, you took a project a guy had been working on for years, and then claimed it was yours to run against his ticket. Do you even realise how disheartening that sort of shit can be for people?
And you even have the gall to claim it took till Ray Grefnel (A good 2 years later) turned up to say you heard about it. No dude, you where confronted about the matter on multiple occasions.
Again, your making shit up to gain accolades you don’t deserve, and trying to paint people who call you out on it villains.
You were there on the secretariat, and there in EVP (after you bullied Tim in to quitting in frusturation) when the hallways used to be filled with bloody computers to the point people would be tripping over them and hassling mat and the computer guy to get rid of them.
Where you that oblivious to the way the guild actually worked that you did not know the nature of one of the guilds longest running and well known welfare projects?
But victors get to write the history don’t they gerry? Maybe, but they can’t rewrite memory.
And gusface, enough with the name calling already. halfwit. FYI I’m not a green, I just recognise the same smears and tactics and scortched earth politics that got him into power last time, and unlike student politics, this time theres a lot more serious matters at state than just “is it worth standing up to some guy bullying a handfull of naive teenagers for personal gain?”.
[And gusface, enough with the name calling already. halfwit. FYI I’m not a green, I just recognise the same smears and tactics and scortched earth politics that got him into power last time, and unlike student politics, this time theres a lot more serious matters at state than just “is it worth standing up to some guy bullying a handfull of naive teenagers for personal gain?”.]
Sorry, I didnt realise you were defender of the faith and the teenagers friend.
Must keep you busy
😉
[And gusface, enough with the name calling already. halfwit.]
Don’t you love the hypocrisy of the defenders of Mother Sien and her axis of the morally pure ? 🙂
All these Broken glass Jaws must be keeping Windscreen O’Briens VERY busy 🙂
[ What, no-one else wants to take a punt at the likely outcome? ]
I did, several hundred posts back. From memory, something like:
ALP 55
Green 35
Gerry 5
CDP 5
2pp ~10% Labor’s way. Then again, I tipped Labor in Freo (despite hoping otherwise) so my gut sense may be a little off.
I really can’t see Gerry getting more than 5%… cf: Carmelo Zagami and a dozen others, Freo by-election. The CDP may pick up a few stray Liberals, but three god-bothering parties combined (CDP, FF, DLP) got only 3.6% in Freo (with no Liberal candidate, just like Willagee). They really don’t do that well.
[ Oh and if Mother Hsien found some dynamite audio/video of eter Tinley wouldn’t you also spread it far and wide ??
Or are the Greens so pure they wouldn’t do it, but hive it off to so called “concerned voters” like they did in Fremantle ?? ]
For the hundredth time, it ain’t the Greens. Gerry pissed off way too many people before he ever joined the party, and some of the people he trod on on the way to the top of the little pile at Murdoch guild probably moved on to the Greens, once they got a job and left student life behind; that probably doesn’t help him. That’s as close as the party would be to it all, though… the bad blood’s old guild stuff.
Ha, and that’s what happens when I take half an hour to write a post. Ninja’d.
Frank: enough with the constant religious allusions. Alternately, try doing it on those who deserve it, like the current members for Morley and Southern River (actual church ministers).
[Frank: enough with the constant religious allusions. Alternately, try doing it on those who deserve it, like the current members for Morley and Southern River (actual church ministers).]
Why ikt is entirely appropriate considering the religious zealotry they weave amongst the faithful.
Anther Jaw to be seen by Windscreen O’Briens ? 🙂
“Don’t you love the hypocrisy of the defenders of Mother Sien and her axis of the morally pure ? :-)”
I couldn’t give a hoot about Hsien. I’ve got my own agenda frankly.
BOP, you might be surprised. I don’t know if you where around murdoch during the start of his ascent, but election day is going to be utterly chaotic unless the greens and labor have people on the ground. His assault on his presidency basically involved running a good 20 candidates all with crossed preferences (it was a quota system somewhat prone to number crunching). Nobody expected what happened till it was a little too late.
[“Don’t you love the hypocrisy of the defenders of Mother Sien and her axis of the morally pure ? 🙂 ”
I couldn’t give a hoot about Hsien. I’ve got my own agenda frankly.]
No doubt facilitated by the “Brian Burke” of the Greens – look in the main body of the post 🙂
Like I said, sub-contracted dirt unit.
[The State Secretary of the ALP Simon Mead found the link, told you and you dutifully performed your task.
Wrong
I got the link from someone else in the party who askded for te edited version which I supplied and he then gave me the unedited link.]
frankscan65 twittered @daGusface “exactly, and that unedited mp3 which the ALP State Sec found BEFORE I posted the public version iced the cake.” So who sent you the link then Frank?
[Oh and if Mother Hsien found some dynamite audio/video of eter Tinley wouldn’t you also spread it far and wide ??]
Please let us know when you find that “dynamite audio” will you Frank rather than the damp squib which was in Inside Co.ver today
[frankscan65 twittered @daGusface “exactly, and that unedited mp3 which the ALP State Sec found BEFORE I posted the public version iced the cake.” So who sent you the link then Frank?]
Learn to READ, I said someone ELSE in the party did Simon sent it to HIM and he sent it to ME>
Oh and I’ll bet Mother Sien wasn’t impressed despite the fecal polishing by the so called “Journalist”.
Keep digging that hole and call Windscreen O’Brien for that Jaw.