I won’t be available to take part in this evening’s fortnightly Newspoll festivities (nor this afternoon’s Essential Research, which Possum tends to be timelier with in any case), but here’s a thread on which you can keep each other informed of the news as it breaks, as well as doing the other things you usually do.
When is Ali coming back to do Lateline?
No 344
Since Labor has run the economy into the ground since coming to office, that is a bit rich.
[Vera, the king of talk down is Wayne Swan, lest we forget the inflation genie being out of the bottle.]
Swan stated the truth. That’s why the RBA had to increase interest rates 8 times in a row.
[Since Labor has run the economy into the ground since coming to office, that is a bit rich.]
Again no mention of the GFC.
[Cuppa, it’s ok, the ALP has spent millions on plaques for its pork barrelling schemes]
Less than Howard though 😉
The trouble with Turnbull’s ads is that he seems to be shouting and lecturing the punters. No wonder the punters are not taking any notice of him. he needs a better spin doctor.
GP, i am sure you can do better.
The Coalition has it within its power to break the vicious plaque cycle.
The Coaltion could have it is as one of their core election promises that they will not spend, or cause to be spent, a single cent on plaques and signs for pork projects.
[Since Labor has run the economy into the ground since coming to office, that is a bit rich.]
More global financial crisis denial from G.P.
Of course this is hilarious considering that a company that was one of the biggest corporations in the world is going bankrupt tomorrow.
[Since Labor has run the economy into the ground since coming to office, that is a bit rich.]
Keep telling yourself that GP… you might actually believe it one day 😉
Ali Moore is way better than Leigh Sales.
Leigh Sales is a light weight, why isnt Tony Jones doing Lateline.
BTW the Poll i was hoping for 54-46…
Oh well…still doesnt change the fact Hockey or Dutton will be leader in 2010 after the election.
[The Coaltion could have it is as one of their core election promises that they will not spend, or cause to be spent, a single cent on plaques and signs for pork projects.]
They’ll just demand that schools pay for them out of their regular funding.
[Leigh Sales is a light weight, why isnt Tony Jones doing Lateline.]
Tony Jones did do Lateline tonight. Do you mean that Leigh Sayles is doing Lateline Business?
[Oh well…still doesnt change the fact Hockey or Dutton will be leader in 2010 after the election.]
I hope it’s Dutton, he is unelectable, and may not even win his seat at the next election.
ShowsOn
Ah, a dangerous non-core gap opens before us…
They could promise to introduce legislation that would make it a criminal act for organisations to acknowledge in any way any Federal money they receive. (Other than for accounting purposes.)
What is good for GM is good the USA, so they once said. Bye, bye, Miss American Pie.
Glen: Dutton’s seat is too marginal, he only holds Dickson by 200 votes.
The Liberals are reaching out to their target audience: those too stupid and insular to be aware that the world’s economy is in the toilet. Those who think the world revolves around them and their miserable small-minded Liberal view.
Finns
Spooky. That reminds me of several very lengthy and disputatious pre-GFC strings on this blog.
No 359
Dutton is useless at the moment, although he is young by comparison which is a plus in a party with too many ye olde worlde members on its benches.
What is good for China is good for Australia. Just remember who is filling your rice bowl and stop your curry bashing.
When the little Aussie battler is moving up so will the world’s economy.
[SHARES rallied 2 per cent today as more signs of recovery emerged in China, keeping the Australian dollar above US80 cents.
An official report showed China’s manufacturing activity expanded in May for the third consecutive month.
Analysts forecast further expansion in China’s manufacturing sector, which accounts for about 40 per cent of the economy.
“We expect manufacturing activity will continue to expand in the coming months, supported by the roll-out of the government stimulus,” said Jing Ulrich, a Hong Kong-based economist with JP Morgan, in a research note.]
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/business/story/0,28124,25569298-643,00.html
No 355
Yes, I could do better.
Turn on the Lights. Labor’s $300 billion debt will kill Australia.
GP @ 369
I too have to struggle to overcoming ageism when reviewing the ranks of the Liberal Party and of the National Party; and the ranks of their supporters.
[I agree that the debt issue has gained some traction. But since Turnbull has *no alternative*, it hasn’t done him much good. People agree that $300bn in debt is scary, but they don’t see any alternative on offer.]
Agree.
[But there will be alternatives by the time an election is called which is all that can be reasonably expected from oppositions.]
Again GP is all bluster. The Liberal Party has no alternative. Costello will not save them.
[Oz – He’s denying that any coal mines will close. Unfortunately Combet, to cut emissions, they’ll have to. You might not have the guts to say it but you can’t have your cake and eat it too.]
I think Combet is actually correct on this. The treasury modelling says this about the effect on the coal industry:
[The future of coal depends heavily on the development of carbon capture and storage technologies. Without such technologies, Australia’s coal production could fall to 4 per cent below current (2008) levels by 2030, and 18 per cent below by 2050. Overall, across the four scenarios (which assume this technology is viable) Australia’s coal output falls relative to the reference scenario, but grows relative to current levels. If carbon capture and storage is not viable, coal output falls below current levels]
*reference scenario = business as usual (BAU)
So, coal will still be extracted and burnt with an emissions stabilisation scheme. Even if carbon capture doesn’t work, then coal mining will still grow – but less than it would under BAU.
This is the point – there are some people going around saying an ETS will mean doom and disaster. The truth is there will not be a dramatic sequence of closures and sackings in the larger emitting industries in Australia. It will be a gradual adjustment with overall growth continuing, and if the world does it, stabilisation by 2050 should still work.
[Dutton is useless at the moment, although he is young by comparison which is a plus in a party with too many ye olde worlde members on its benches.]
Dutton is useless full stop. The right of the Liberal party don’t realise that the average Australian is more centrist than them. Same deal with the left of the Labor party.
All future Liberal leaders need to be moderates to have a chance of being elected. John Howard was the last Conservative Liberal to become P.M.
[Since Labor has run the economy into the ground since coming to office, that is a bit rich.]
Does the global recession and severe decrease in revenue mean nothing to you? Labor has kept the economy from sinking even further. But you believe your Liberal bed-time stories if that’s what helps you to sleep at night.
[Turn on the Lights. Labor’s $300 billion debt will kill Australia.]
We had 10 times this much debt after WWII and during the 1890s depression. Why was debt fine then, but 10 times less is not OK now?
No 370
I distinctly remember a state council meeting in NSW last year when a very old lady stood up and boasted about being a member of the UAP in the early 1940s. LOL
#369
you have flunked already:
[Turn on the Lights]
You mob used it back in the dream time
[Labor’s $300 billion debt will kill Australia]
Ditto
Dutton called Mr Rudd “the pig of Australian politics”. Obviously the Liberals are desperate if they consider such an intemperate bigmouth to be “leadership” potential.
Jaundiced View
Is the whole thing is predicated on ‘clean coal’.
[Labor’s $300 billion debt will kill Australia.]
GP… sigh.
a) The $300b debt is projected. b) The vast majority of it is a loss of revenue.
The Liberals debt would be only $25b less and Rudd teases them about this at every opportunity. Is $275b debt more to your liking?
#372 – Second sentence “Even if” should read “unless”. Coal output must fall if capture doesn’t work with the 450-550 ppm target by 2050. But not cease, by any means.
No 378
Always thought Rudd was a toxic boar.
[Even if carbon capture doesn’t work, then coal mining will still grow – but less than it would under BAU.]
This is wrong, your quote says that if CCS is not viable coal output will fall below current levels, not projected BAU.
[Dutton called Mr Rudd “the pig of Australian politics”. Obviously the Liberals are desperate if they consider such an intemperate bigmouth to be “leadership” potential.]
When Rudd was opposition leader Dutton compared Rudd to an episode of Big Brother. He has NOTHING to offer. The Liberals are deluding themselves thinking that he is leadership material.
Why on earth does Turnbull want Australia’s ETS to be more like the U.S. bill? The U.S. bill offers FEWER free permits, when the Liberal position is for MORE free permits than the Government’s bills!
No 384
[The Liberals are deluding themselves thinking that he is leadership material.]
Just as the Laborites are deluding themselves into thinking Arbib and Shorten are actually talented.
[Why on earth does Turnbull want Australia’s ETS to be more like the U.S. bill? The U.S. bill offers FEWER free permits, when the Liberal position is for MORE free permits than the Government’s bills!]
He probably doesn’t understand both governments are using different definitions of EETI.
No 385
ShowsOn, the Liberal and Labor position is irrelevant, just like Australia. The leader of the free world is Obama and that is the benchmark from which we should build our scheme.
Australia is not a leader in geopolitical negotiations and never has been.
Anyway, minor differences aside, most Australians (that is, those supporting either the Government or the Liberals) seem to think that a debt of between $275 billion and $300 billion is a Good Thing.
[Just as the Laborites are deluding themselves into thinking Arbib and Shorten are actually talented.]
But they’re not the PMs now, are they? 😉
It hurts GP, I know it does.
[This is the point – there are some people going around saying an ETS will mean doom and disaster. The truth is there will not be a dramatic sequence of closures and sackings in the larger emitting industries in Australia. It will be a gradual adjustment with overall growth continuing, and if the world does it, stabilisation by 2050 should still work.]
That may be so, but the PERCEPTION of Job Losses wwhich the opposition will use to campaign against the Government and the ETS is what will be in people’s minds.
Everyone single one of GP’s silly and unsubstantiated posts on climate change, ranging from what’s economically achievable to international consequences has been proven false so I see little point in wasting time refuting him when he’ll ignore it as usual.
No 390
It hurts me about as much as the thought of a bulldozer cutting down a tree with you chained to it….i.e., not a lot.
[That may be so, but the PERCEPTION of Job Losses wwhich the opposition will use to campaign against the Government and the ETS is what will be in people’s minds.]
Why doesn’t the government just do whatever the opposition says, if it’s so scared of what they might say?
No 392
Sorry Oz, you don’t have a monopoly on opinion and fact. Go and sulk in the corner with your little club of hippies. Meanwhile back at the ranch, the US will be influential in determining global action on climate change.
[Australia is not a leader in geopolitical negotiations and never has been.]
Well, the third President of the United Nations was Doc Evatt, who happened to co-write something called the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
Australia also set up APEC, and convened the Canberra Commission, which remains the pre-eminent report on ending the proliferation of nuclear weapons.
It was also one of the first countries to recognise the People’s Republic of China.
So I think you are wrong.
[The leader of the free world is Obama and that is the benchmark from which we should build our scheme.]
My point was that in some ways the CPRS is more lenient than the U.S. scheme, yet now Turnbull seems to be pretending that he won’t support the CPRS because it isn’t green enough!
Oh no, no please. especially there are a 13 and a 10 years old in the group
[MICHAEL Jackson is so impressed with Diversity that he wants them to support him in his upcoming UK tours.
Jacko is thought to want to meet the BGT winners with the intention of asking them to dance in his This Is It UK shows. ]
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/britain_got_talent/2458856/Diversity-to-join-Jacko.html
[Meanwhile back at the ranch, the US will be influential in determining global action on climate change.]
And Australia can be influential too considering our per-capita emissions are so high, and that our economy is so reliant on commodities.
Why do you under rate Australia so much?
We will always have monopoly on opinion and fact under Labor
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