On reflection, my previous post, intended as the first in a series of “Call of the Board” posts reviewing in detail the result of the May 18 election, was deficient in two aspects. The first is that patterns in the results estimated by my demographic model were said to be “difficult to discern”, which can only have been because I didn’t look hard enough. In fact, the results provide evidence for remarkably strong incumbency effects. Of the 12 Liberals defending their seats in the Sydney area, all but Tony Abbott outperformed the modelled estimate of the Liberal two-party vote, by an average of 4.0%. Of the 15 Labor members, all but two (Julie Owens in Parramatta and Anne Stanley in Werriwa) outperformed the model, the average being 3.4%.
The other shortcoming of the post was that it did not, indeed, call the board – a now-abandoned ritual of election night broadcasting in which the results for each electorate were quickly reviewed in alphabetical order at the end of the night, so that nobody at home would feel left out. You can find this done for the Sydney seats over the fold, and it will be a feature of the Call of the Board series going forward.
Banks (Liberal 6.3%; 4.8% swing to Liberal): After winning the seat for the Liberals in 2013 for the first time since its creation in 1949, David Coleman has now scored three wins on the trot, the latest by comfortably his biggest margin to date: 6.3%, compared with 2.8% in 2013 and 1.4% in 2016. In a post-election account for the Age/Herald, Michael Koziol reported that Labor’s national secretariat and state branch were at loggerheads over the seat late in the campaign, with the former wishing to devote resources to the seat, and the latter recognising that they “didn’t stand a chance”.
Barton (Labor 9.4%; 1.1% swing to Labor): Located around the crossover point where the inner urban swing to Labor gave way to the outer urban swing to Liberal, Barton recorded a slight swing to Labor that was perhaps boosted by a sophomore effect for incumbent Linda Burney.
Bennelong (Liberal 6.9%; 2.8% swing to Labor): A fair bit has been written lately about Labor’s struggles with the Chinese community, particularly in New South Wales, but that did not stop the nation’s most Chinese electorate recording a reasonably solid swing to Labor. This perhaps reflected the quality of Labor’s candidate, neurosurgeon Brian Owler, but was also typical of a seat where Malcolm Turnbull had played well in 2016, when it swung 2.8% to the Liberals.
Berowra (Liberal 15.6%; 0.8% swing to Labor): Most of this outer northern Sydney seat is in the outer part of the zone that swung to Labor, barring a few lightly populated regions out north and west. However, Liberal member Julian Leeser is what I will call a half-sophomore – a first-term incumbent, but one who succeeded a member of the same party (in this case Philip Ruddock), so there was no reversal of the sitting member advantage. So the 0.8% swing to Labor is about par for the course.
Blaxland (Labor 14.7%; 4.8% swing to Liberal): The anti-Labor swing suffered by Jason Clare was fairly typical for Sydney’s south-west.
Bradfield (Liberal 16.6%; 4.5% swing to Labor): Apart from the exceptional cases of Warringah and Wentworth, this was the biggest swing against the Liberals in New South Wales. However, given it was only fractionally lower in neighbouring North Sydney, that’s unlikely to be a reflection on sitting member Paul Fletcher, instead reflecting the electorate’s affluence and proximity to the city. The seat also recorded the state’s biggest swing to the Greens, at 2.0%.
Chifley (Labor 12.4%; 6.8% swing to Liberal): Ed Husic suffered Labor’s biggest unfavourable swing in Sydney (and the second biggest in the state after Hunter), after enjoying the second biggest favourable swing in 2016 (after Macarthur).
Cook (Liberal 19.0%; 3.6% swing to Liberal): As noted in the previous post, Scott Morrison enjoys the biggest Liberal margin in New South Wales relative to what might be expected from the electorate’s demographic composition. Only part of this can be explained by a prime ministership effect, as his 3.6% swing ranked only twelfth out of the 47 seats in New South Wales.
Dobell (Labor 1.5%; 3.3% swing to Liberal): The two seats on the Central Coast behaved similarly to most of suburban Sydney in swinging solidly to the Liberals, but there was enough padding on the Labor margin to save Emma McBride in Dobell, a marginal seat that lands Labor’s way more often than not.
Fowler (Labor 14.0%; 3.5% swing to Liberal): Labor’s Chris Hayes suffered a swing unremarkable by the standards of western Sydney, or perhaps slightly at the low end of average.
Grayndler (Labor 16.3% versus Greens; 0.5% swing to Labor): As illustrated in the previous post, Anthony Albanese’s personal popularity continues to define results in Grayndler, where the Labor margin is well out of proportion to demographic indicators. Whereas the Greens hold the largely corresponding state seats of Balmain and Newtown, in Grayndler they struggle to harness enough of the left-of-centre vote to finish ahead of the Liberals. They just managed it on this occasion, as they had previously in 2010 and 2016, outpolling the Liberals 22.6% to 21.8% on the primary vote, narrowing to 24.2% to 23.8% after the exclusion of three other candidates. Albanese cleared 50% of the primary vote for the first time since 2007, helped by a smaller field of candidates than last time, and had a locally typical 1.5% two-party swing against the Liberals.
Greenway (Labor 2.8%; 3.5% swing to Liberal): The swing against Labor’s Michelle Rowland was typical for middle suburbia, and roughly reversed the swing in her favour in 2016.
Hughes (Liberal 9.8%; 0.5% swing to Liberal): Craig Kelly did rather poorly to gain a swing of only 0.5% – as a careful look at the results map shows, the boundary between Hughes and Cook marks a distinct point where Labor swings turn to Liberal ones. The demographic model suggests Kelly to be the third most poorly performing Liberal incumbent out of the 13 in the Sydney area, ahead of Tony Abbott (Warringah) and Lucy Wicks (Robertson).
Kingsford Smith (Labor 8.8%; 0.2% swing to Labor): It was noted here previously that Matt Thistlethwaite strongly outperforms the demographic model, but the near status quo result on this occsion did little to contribute to that. This seat was roughly on the geographic crossover point between the Labor swings of the city and the Liberal swings of the suburbs.
Lindsay (LIBERAL GAIN 5.0%; 6.2% swing to Liberal): One of five seats lost by Labor at the election, and the only one in Sydney. Like the others, Lindsay was gained by Labor in 2016, with Emma Husar scoring a 1.1% margin from a 4.1% swing. This was more than reversed in Husar’s absence, with Liberal candidate Melissa McIntosh prevailing by 5.0%. The 6.2% swing against Labor was the biggest in the Sydney area, and produced a Liberal margin comparable to Jackie Kelly’s strongest.
Macarthur (Labor 8.4%; 0.1% swing to Labor): To repeat what was said in the previous post: Labor strongly outpolled the demographic model in Macarthur, a seat the Liberals held from 1996 until 2016, when Russell Matheson suffered first an 8.3% reduction in his margin at a redistribution, and then an 11.7% swing to Labor’s Michael Freelander, a local paediatrician. The swing to Labor, tiny though it was, ran heavily against the trend of urban fringe seats across the country. In addition to Freelander’s apparent popularity, this probably reflected a lack of effort put into the Liberal campaign compared with last time, as the party narrowly focused on its offensive moves in Lindsay and Macquarie and defensive ones in Gilmore and Reid. Macarthur was one of six seats in New South Wales contested by One Nation, whose 8.6% seemed to be drawn equally from Labor and Liberal.
Mackellar (Liberal 13.2%; 2.5% swing to Labor): Jason Falinski’s northern beaches seat participated in the swing to Labor in inner and northern Sydney, though in this case it was a fairly modest 2.5%, perhaps reflecting Falinski’s half-sophomore effect. A 12.2% vote for independent Alice Thompson caught most of the combined 14.9% for three independents in 2016, leaving the large parties’ vote shares little changed.
Macquarie (Labor 0.2%; 2.0% swing to Liberal): A sophomore surge for Labor member Susan Templeman surely made the difference here, with the 2.0% swing to the Liberals being below the outer urban norm, and just short of what was required to take the seat.
McMahon (Labor 6.6%; 5.5% swing to Liberal): The swing against Chris Bowen was well at the higher end of the scale and, typically for such a result, followed a strong swing the other way in 2016, in this case of 7.5%. This was among the six seats in New South Wales contested by One Nation, whose 8.3% contributed to a 7.4% primary vote swing against Bowen, and perhaps also to the size of the two-party swing.
Mitchell (Liberal 18.6%; 0.8% swing to Liberal): Where most safe Liberal seats in Sydney were in the zone of inner and northern Sydney that swung to Labor, Mitchell is far enough west to encompass the crossover point where Labor swings gave way to Liberal ones. This translated into a modest 0.8% swing to Liberal member Alex Hawke, and very little change on the primary vote.
North Sydney (Liberal 9.3%; 4.3% swing to Labor): Trent Zimmerman’s seat caught the brunt of the inner urban swing to Labor, the 4.3% swing to Labor being the state’s fourth highest after Warringah, Wentworth and Bradfield, the latter of which just shaded it. Labor managed a hefty 8.3% gain on the primary vote, largely thanks to the absence of Stephen Ruff, who polled 12.8% as an independent in 2016. The one independent on this occasion was serial candidate Arthur Chesterfield-Evans, a former Democrats member of the state upper house, who managed only 4.4%.
Parramatta (Labor 3.5%; 4.2% swing to Liberal): Parramatta marks the crossover point where the Liberal swing in western Sydney begins, producing a 4.2% swing against Labor’s Julie Owens that only partly unwound the 6.4% swing she picked up in 2016.
Reid (Liberal 3.2%; 1.5% swing to Labor): The Liberals maintained their remarkable record in this seat going back to 2013, when they won it for the first time in the seat’s history, by limiting the swing to Labor to a manageable 1.5%. While the 3.2% margin is only modestly higher than that predicted by the demographic model, it was achieved despite the departure of two-term sitting member Craig Laundy, who is succeeded by Fiona Martin.
Robertson (Liberal 4.2%; 3.1% swing to Liberal): Similarly to neighbouring Dobell, the Central Coast seat of Robertson swung 3.1% to the Liberals, in this case boosting the margin of Lucy Wicks.
Sydney (Labor 18.7%; 3.4% swing to Labor): The inner urban swing to Labor added further padding to Tanya Plibersek’s margin. The Greens continue to run third behind the Liberals, who outpolled them by 26.6% to 18.1%. As is the case in Grayndler, this presumably reflects local left-wing voters’ satisfaction with the incumbent.
Warringah (INDEPENDENT GAIN 7.2% versus Liberal): Zali Steggall took a big chunk out of the big party contenders in recording 43.5% of the primary vote, but the largest of course came from Tony Abbott, down from 51.6% to 39.0%. Abbott won four booths around Forestville at the northern end of the electorate, but it was otherwise a clean sweep for Steggall. She particularly dominated on the coast around Manly, by margins ranging from 10% to 18%.
Watson (Labor 13.5%; 4.1% swing to Liberal): In a familiar suburban Sydney pattern, Tony Burke had an 8.8% swing in his favour from 2016 unwound by a 4.1% swing to the Liberals this time.
Wentworth (Liberal 1.3% versus Independent): Listed as a Liberal retain in a spirit of consistently comparing results from the 2016 election, this was of course a Liberal gain to the extent that it reversed their defeat at the hands of independent Kerryn Phelps at last October’s by-election. There was an unblemished divide between the northern end of the electorate, encompassing the coast north of Bondi and all but the westernmost part of the harbourside, where the Liberals won the two-candidate vote, and the southern end of the electorate, where Phelps did. As noted in the previous post, there was a swing to Labor of 7.9% on the two-party preferred count, but this was testament more than anything to Malcolm Turnbull’s local support.
Werriwa (Labor 5.5%; 2.7% swing to Liberal): A half-sophomore effect for Labor’s Anne Watson may have helped limit the swing here in this outer suburban seat.
“SSM, climate change, better treatment of AS, increase to Newstart etc etc etc all rate highly when polled and such polling is used by many to claim labor needs to support them or perish. However, this does not mean voters would reflect on them when pen hits the ballot paper. “
Australians might be concerned about these issues, but not enough that they would accept the threat of a one cent drop in their take home pay. By and large, they’ll vote for their wallet. The SSM vote got up because it was cost free. Maybe SSM opponents would have done better if they had called SSM a “Marriage Tax”.
WeWantPaul says:
Sunday, July 21, 2019 at 12:34 pm
I haven’t seen any references by him regarding WA, but he certainly said as much about Labor’s platform at the last federal election.
Henry @ #193 Sunday, July 21st, 2019 – 12:27 pm
This is all you need to know:
briefly (AnonBlock)
Sunday, July 21st, 2019 – 11:56 am
Comment #168
There is a back story to Emma Husar’s retreat. The facts were not political but were personal and private. The back story is the real one. Fortunately for Emma and the others involved, it’s a story that will remain unpublished.
C@t
Are you effing kidding me?
As I have written here before Ann Charlton had 18 months to create a presence in the electorate and failed so comprehensively that I, someone interested in politics, had forgotten her name until the corflutes appeared. She is unelectable unless thereis a tsunami swing to Labor (I guess that was the strategy this time)
When is this going to be called out for what it is: theft?
When is the government going to condemn this theft?
When is anyone going to face criminal charges?
Australia – land of whatever you can get away with, and few consequences if you are wealthy enough.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jul/21/neil-perry-sued-by-rockpool-chef-for-underpayment
As we type Hunt is doing a presser trying to get Medicare glory over him announcing another drug on the PBS this one for cystic Fibrosis sufferers. Even the LNP know Medicare is popular and so is the PBS.
It would be interesting to see qualitative research about why people voted the way they did in May. Then it would be possible to draw conclusions about which parts of Labor’s policy platform, if any, should be changed. I suspect that a lot of the platform is fine from the public’s point of view and that key factors were 1. visceral lack of comfort and trust in Labor’s leader; and 2. the media’s coverage of proposed tax changes that created losers.
Key lessons might be the obvious ones of:
Choose a leader who is trusted and liked by the public.
Don’t propose any policies that create losers (unless it is a class of losers that is widely seen as villains or at least not widely viewed sympathetically). If you need to do any policies of this kind, do it in government when you have the chance to combine it with a lot of popular achievements that take the sting out of it. Don’t propose it from Opposition.
So idle speculation and rumours are the order of the day are they c@t?
Such a terrifying backstory that Husar herself wanted to remain the candidate?
AE
A reminder. Labor went to the last election with tax cuts and lost
Another reminder for Labor people. Why ae the LNP so afraid of “Mediscare”
Do please try and learn from the sledgehammer hitting you.
Henry,
Husar’s ultimate mistake was the timing of her decision.
She didn’t need to make it until the independent enquiry was completed.
It was appalling the pressure she was placed under with the leaking of accusations against her, but she ultimately sealed her fate by reacting too soon.
This is true Barney. She panicked essentially.
I think she should have been counselled to withdraw her resignation, let the dust settle and see where the enquiry landed.
I’m no particular fan of husar’s btw, just the appalling handling of the process.
My extended family live in Penrith and were fans of hers. Her backstory resonated with theirs and she was booted they switched their vote to the lib.
There were some mildly progressive elements in the ALP platform to the campaign, but he is hardly an independent objective source of truth on that characterisation. So part partisan propping up, part wishful thinking, part positioning (obviously the left can’t enjoy any more than we can regressive idiotic LNP light Govts like we are suffering here in WA).
this is probably true, but the News corp sewer is going to do all it can to make every ALP leader on the nose. So there is a balance between choosing wisely and jellyfishing around as news corpse move hearts and minds. See what Corbyn is suffering with the neo-cons and the pro State of Israel lobby leveraging deliberate confusion over antisemitism to slander him.
Henry
If someone says they’re leaving and you take them at their word, then it’s not a blunder to proceed with moves to replace them.
Husar stuffed up. Of course that meant she played right into the hands of her enemies, but that also opens up questions about her judgement.
I can only sumise that ‘Scott’ is either a Liberal troll, or a Greens fifth columnist.
To truncate an Albo tweet at @dailytelegraph….., and then use the truncation to pile a load of crap on, is crap.
What Albo actually tweeted was:
“Heading to Dubbo for @dailytelegraph #BushSummit this morning – farmers are doing it tough with drought”
WWP
Corbyn may have the last laugh. Johnson could be forced by parliament to accept a referendum to decide to Brexit or not. They have voted against No Brexit already including making it hard to prorogue parliament.
The end result could see the Tories destroyed as a party before Labour is.
Elections in Australia are often decided by hip-pocket issues, for example; Labor in 2007 won in no small part to Workchoices, which meant employers were able to sack workers more easily than they could.
Given the magnatune of the economic crisis coming that I am predicting, the Coalition are going to be toast. The sort of disengaged low information voters in the outer suburbs and provincial cities, are going to bash Scott Morrison and his ministers. Plus Anthony Albanese to his credit understands these sort of people are integral to Labor winning government. I am predicting Labor’s message in 2022 will be simple “Jobs, Jobs and Jobs” along with economic stimulus. That is going to appeal a lot in an electorate with unemployment at least as high as 20%. Also Labor can afford to lose some votes and seats to the Greens in inner city electorates. As long as they gain voters from those groups of people I have mentioned.
Personally I am excited about an Anthony Albanese led Labor Party. Because I can him healing the country’s soul.
BTW I was never excited about a Bill Shorten led Labor Party, in the back of my mind I felt Labor would lose the recent election passed.
I argued myself blue in the face over the Franking Credits policy with HI’s ex and his second wife.
They don’t even HAVE franking credits. Much less have they “arranged their affairs” to score a refund on nil taxable income.
Their arguments were (in no particular order of stupidity):
○ There are lots of Lebanese bludgers living high on the hog in Beirut as pensioners, bludging off genuine Aussie taxpayers, so why shouldn’t genuine Aussies join in the rorting?
○ Once given, tax concessions can and should NEVER be rescinded, because
(a) the government taxes us too much anyway,
(b) once people have planned to exploit a rort, then government can’t ever interfere with those plans,
(c) taxes should only ever go down, never up,
○ They have worked hard all their lives to avoid being the type of pensioners who bludge off other taxpayers, and franking credits are paid for by the government, not other taxpayers.
○ They want the rort to still be in place for when they DO arrange their affairs to take advantage of it.
○ They need to keep their house in Sydney, plus two investment apartments intact for their daughters to inherit.
… all delivered with that slightly sympathetic condescension reserved for speaking with the mentally retarded.
Against this kind of stupid you end up changing the subject to boats, 4WDs, anything but politics.
She should have been counselled better zoomster and told, no we won’t accept your resignation, cool your jets and let’s see where the enquiry lands.
I got the impression that Husar resigned early (i.e. before the report came out) as part of some backroom deal concerning the enquiry findings.
Whether she was scammed on that deal is another matter.
Bushfire Bill
I take it they have spent a life time of reading The Telegraph with the radio station glued to 2GB and consider Sky After Dark compulsory viewing ?
BB
Hopefully celebrity can break through.
@zbluemoon tweeted a day ago
#BlueWave2018 #Shipwreck #FBR
“Stop giving power to people
who don’t believe in science.” Harrison Ford
https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1040410155282718720/video/1
WeWantPaul says:
Sunday, July 21, 2019 at 1:00 pm
So your problem seems to be that they don’t meet your definition of progressive, even though they are more progressive than the alternative.
Shit if I were to map out what I would like Labor’s platform to contain it would look very different in many places.
But I know it would represent a platform that would go no where near gaining the required support needed to govern.
You sounding very all or nothing.
As for WA and looking at the federal result, it seems your views differ greatly from the majority of your neighbours.
How electable does that make them?
Henry says:
Sunday, July 21, 2019 at 1:12 pm
Who says she wasn’t?
Poroti, they are Tele readers, but don’t watch Sky or listen to 2GB.
They have a daughter with a mid-level mental disability who saves enough from her NDIS money to take TWO trips overseas every year, but regard anyone else on the NDIS as shameful bludgers (cue “bloody Lebanese” rant).
I know this sounds like a funny thing to say, but I like them both and value their friendship. I just don’t talk politics with them very often.
Barney
Electable is the argument for having Biden as the Dem nominee. This as he argues AGAINST universal medicare. Not something Obama did.
There is a reason Biden is out there on his own. There is a reason people demand the Democrats stand for something not a lesser version of the GOP.
Electability is only an argument after you have your basic values you are going to campaign on every time. Other wise there is no point to your political party.
Its why so many are trying to defend Labor now. Its why I have said Labor needs to go back to its values. If it wants to be a progressive party it has no choice. Otherwise its just another Central Alliance or Jacqui Lambie.
I of course expect Labor to change course. The only concern I have is are they going to be strong enough to see that ditching the whole tax increases are poison narrative they have bought. Its not tax increases that are the problem its the type of tax increases and leave the space blank the LNP will cry again about Death Taxes or similar.
Henry @ #207 Sunday, July 21st, 2019 – 12:43 pm
It didn’t sound that way to me going by what briefly posted. Sounded like he knew what he was talking about. But you, on the other hand, are determined to piss on Labor from great heights post election. That I know for a fact. Pfft!
No I think the meaning of progressive is a something that capable minds could objectively define and measure, and that in doing so your suggestion that being slightly more progressive than neo-nazis that are literally holding refugees in concentration camps till they kill themselves, isn’t gonna get you on the right side of any proper objective measure of progressive.
Well my local polling place voted 65:35 Labor TPP in the last state election and pretty much 50:50 at the Federal election so I would go as far as to suggest it is a little more complex than you imply.
You find me lots of people who really love trickle down economics and inequality then I’d concede to you. I just don’t believe there is a majority of Australians that support that. Strong 30’s maybe even 40% support, but there is a lot of disengagement, confusion and a feeling of impotence in election after election where the competition is between tweedle dumb and tweedle sightly less dumb, and in all but 2 of those Federal elections since Keating lost, the electorate has determined that it was the LNP that was slightly less dumb.
I think there is a really really strong concern from the upper middle class, that is very much in the high income category, that Labor will really punish them and not the genuinely wealthy. I don’t think Labor should pander to these high income earners, but the weak half hearted play at the edges stuff Labor took to the last election wasn’t well sold to any group at all, let alone this group.
Was Husar really about her or about a seat that Sussex St wanted more skin in?
Look at who made the complaint
Look at who got the nomination
Guytaur, judging from the Twitter responses to Ford, I don’t think he’s breaking through.
Summary of tweets in response…
Apparently the solar system as a whole is heating up, there is no evidence we have anything to do with that, and most scientists know Global Warming is false. Anyway, Ford owns 60 planes and 30 houses, and flies in an executive jet. He is an actor, a member of the elite, and senile. He is not a scientist either. Anyone with more than 2 brain cells could see he is a fraud and a hypocrite.
guytaur,
Being a progressive Party in opposition means jack shit.
Now, being a progressive Party in Government might have something going for it.
I agree that the private sector is going to contract, and then a lot will depend on whether the government responds with fiscal stimulus or with austerity. If they are smart they will use fiscal stimulus. If they believe that deficit spending is intrinsically irresponsible, they will keep the total amount of government spending the same and lots of people will lose their jobs.
The smartest thing that the government could do is to abandon the goal of a fiscal surplus. The government should never target any particular balance. Whether the government should be in deficit or in surplus and how much depends on what is happening in the domestic private sector and the external sector. There isn’t any particular fiscal balance that is intrinsically better than any other. It is always context-dependent. You want the government do be doing precisely the right amount of spending at any given moment to maintain low and stable inflation along with an unemployment rate of only 1 or 2 percent and close to zero underemployment and close to zero marginally attached to the labour force. No more, no less.
Oakeshott Country @ #229 Sunday, July 21st, 2019 – 1:35 pm
And they failed. Also, what I saw from a distance was that the seat campaign wasn’t supported as fulsomely by Sussex Street as others were.
I certainly had hoped the WA ALP would be progressive in Govt. They just haven’t been.
Oakeshott Country @ #203 Sunday, July 21st, 2019 – 12:41 pm
I’m trying to make people see through the haze. That’s all I can do. The motion was defeated, btw.
Barney
Campaign as a progressive and you can win. Its been done many times. Especially in Scandinavian Countries.
Phelps campaigned on being a progressive and was able to win Wentworth so its not being progressive thats the problem. Also while we are talking about it. Whatever policy Labor adopts after the review they need to advertise it. Don’t leave it till the last minute to be drowned out. Get the values and meaning out there make it unassailable.
Of course if its increasing taxes as part of it the LNP can’t steal it. After all Labor’s advertising will have sold the message. It won’t be up to the media to tell people what it is.
B in M
If Labor does not authentically prosecute the values, policy platform and agenda it stands for between elections or pre-election, how can voters make a judgement about the ‘real’ Labor party.
Promises, promises, promises.
Broken promises, broken, promises, broken promises.
Trust us, trust us, trust us.
Why?
@thehill tweets
Pete Buttigieg: “If we adopt a platform that’s way out to the left, [Republicans are] going to say we’re socialists. If we adopt a more moderate or conservative platform, they’re going to say we’re socialists. So we might as well just do what we think is right.” https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1152733786632835074/video/1
Nicholas,
Your last posts re JG have almost persuaded me as they have clearly addressed some concerns I have about it.
g
Pete B’s tweet nails it.
WeWantPaul says:
Sunday, July 21, 2019 at 1:35 pm
The policy exists, like it or not (I don’t), but the critical elements are, how you choose to treat them while they are being held and how active you are in finding alternate placements for them.
Treating them like humans and giving real hope as to an end would be a huge improvement over their situation at present.
As for your other response.
So 15% of your polling place we’re swayed by WA Labor’s platform, but not the federal Party’s.
Anyway by “neighbours” I was referring to all voters in WA.
guytaur says:
Sunday, July 21, 2019 at 1:48 pm
Phelps got elected in a by-election with low voter turn out and then got her arse handed to her at the general election, when those missing voters returned, despite being instrumental in the Medivac legislation.
Barney
The point is that she got elected and it was not treated as a moonshot attempt. She ran on a progressive campaign. You can make as many excuses as you like it does not change how a blue ribbon conservative seat voted.
Therefore it’s not being progressive that is Labor’s problem
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Pegasus says:
Sunday, July 21, 2019 at 1:50 pm
It doesn’t seem to be problem for the current Government.
Anyway Labor’s values are reflected and laid down at the federal Conference. They’re the base guidelines.
That Labor would propose policies that support schools, hospitals, the ABC and dealing with inequality are as much a given as the Liberals having policies to cut funding for welfare and the ABC, and ones beneficial for their business mates.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/richard-di-natale-defends-bob-brown-over-wind-farm-opposition/news-story/90ff3f72368b50ad3c802344cd4cd987
I guess he has to back Bob Brown, doesn’t he? Can you imagine the open party-wide revolt if the empty suit dared to publicly speak out against St Bob?! 😆
guytaur says:
Sunday, July 21, 2019 at 2:12 pm
Is she there now?
She actually had some success despite the limited time she had.
Why isn’t she still there?
@lynking tweets
Labor must lead the fight to increase Newstart. Otherwise, what’s the point of it? | Greg Jericho https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2019/jul/20/labor-must-lead-the-fight-to-increase-newstart-otherwise-whats-the-point-of-it?CMP=share_btn_tw
Barney
You can’t ignore what type of seat she won with progressive policies. It was not a raging socialist voting bloc