The latest Roy Morgan poll, which is now reliably a monthly series with large samples accumulated from weekly surveying, has Labor’s two-party lead in from 57-43 to 56.5-43.5 on respondent-allocated preferences, though the primary vote movements are somewhat more unfavourable for Labor than this suggests: they are down two on last month to 33%, their weakest result since the election, with the Coalition steady on 27%, the Greens down half a point to 12.5% and One Nation up two to 14% (their best result from Morgan since 1998). Based on previous election flows, Labor’s lead is in from 57-43 to 55-45. Presumably to add more context to One Nation’s rise, the poll comes with breakdowns in unusual detail, including primary votes as well as two-party preferred results for all six states, together with gender and age breakdowns. The poll was conducted October 20 to November 16 from a sample of 5248.
UPDATE: Spectre Strategy, which published a poll late in the federal election that was in line with what other pollsters were showing, has emerged with a set of voting intention numbers showing Labor leading 53-47 on two-party preferred, on what appear to be respondent-allocated preferences, from primary votes of Labor 33%, Coalition 25%, One Nation 17.5% and Greens 12.5%. The poll was conducted November 4 to 17 from a sample of 1007.
“nath says:
Sunday, November 23, 2025 at 12:07 pm
Oakeshott Countrysays:
Raises an interesting point re the unpleasant discussion 2 nights ago when Clem Attlee was piled on for supporting the English cricket team.
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The pile on is still on going, just sputtering along now.”
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If either of you think for a moment that the so called “pile on” was simply because Clem supported the English Cricket team then your brain is broke.
However, you both know that the back and forth had little to do with the English Cricket team, but you are now – blatantly dishonestly – seeking to ‘reframe the debate’. …
And Scotland is such a strong Cricketing nation too.
The Wallabies have only had 1 win since beating Georgia 40-29 18 months ago
(As every American high school graduate able to get on the internet will immediately say: That’s bullshit, Georgia is not even a country, it’s a state)
nathsays:
Sunday, November 23, 2025 at 12:07 pm
Oakeshott Countrysays:
Raises an interesting point re the unpleasant discussion 2 nights ago when Clem Attlee was piled on for supporting the English cricket team.
Clem’s error was to award himself the honours for the defeat of fascism. That was spurious. Considering the contempt he showed for the ultimate sacrifices of so many he deserves every rebuke he attracted. Clem is a hooligan.
“A horror 2025 has concluded with the Wallabies conceding a record score against France to become first Australian team in 126 years to lose 10 Test matches in a calendar year.
The Wallabies were level 19-all at the break, but imploded in the second half through ill-discipline to lose 48-33 at Stade de France.
While France’s 34-6 over Australia in 1976 remains their biggest winning margin, this is the highest total France has ever scored against the Wallabies, surpassing the 41-17 win in a 2023 World Cup warm-up match.
And it comes after the Wallabies conceded a record 46 points by Ireland the week before.”
https://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/rugby/wallabies/wallabies-fall-to-france-4833-lose-all-four-european-tests-for-first-time-in-67-years/news-story/b8d88e87ffe4256af7c1b6cc0f172058?amp
Rex Douglassays:
Sunday, November 23, 2025 at 12:11 pm
Pegasussays:
Sunday, November 23, 2025 at 11:59 am
End of fossil fuel era inches closer as Cop30 deal agreed after bitter standoff
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/nov/22/cop30-deal-inches-closer-to-end-of-fossil-fuel-era-after-bitter-standoff
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No sign of Labor and the L/NP detaching themselves from the fossil fuel cartel export agenda.
Grossly negligent and unAustralian.
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Well, except for this:
“A spokesperson for Mr Bowen said Australia was ‘instrumental in delivering the landmark agreement by all countries at COP28 to transition away from fossil fuels’ and supported the Belém declaration ‘including its call for a road map to give effect to that commitment’.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-11-23/g20-defies-trump-with-leaders-jointly-signing-statement/106041342
“Thom Woodroofe, a senior international fellow at the Smart Energy Council in Australia and a former climate diplomat said signing the Belém Declaration was the “strongest statement” Australia has ever made on phasing out fossil fuels.”
This is a sliding doors moment and the strongest statement Australia has ever made on phasing out fossil fuels, which requires rapidly scaling up renewable energy.”
Rugby Union a distance 4th in football codes in Australia and sliding into irrelevance. My son is a sports teacher and says that his students consider Union the 10th most important sport.
Oakeshott Countrysays:
Sunday, November 23, 2025 at 12:18 pm
And Scotland is such a strong Cricketing nation too.
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Good point OC. Scotland Cricket is getting better. Now ranked 12th in the World by the ICC.
The Wallabies I believe are ranked 7th and doing their best to catch Scotland’s Cricket rating.
If the democrats are smart, they can pick up MTG’s deep red seat in a special election.
Democrats got 35.6% at the 2024 election, which favoured the republicans generally. The elections since then with trump not on the ballot have had large swings. Democrats could easily get a 7% swing. 42.6%
Let’s say they run exactly two candidates – someone endorsed by Mamdani etc, and an establishment candidate. If they can split the vote evenly they each get 21.3%.
Republicans then get 57.4%. But they’ll run at least three candidates, one from the trump/putin/epstein wing, one from the MTG wing and one from the establishment. If they split the vote evenly, they’ll each end up at 19.1%.
Then, the two democrats go to the runoff and there’s no republicans in it.
If the Democrats can get a larger swing or the Republicans run more than 3 candidates, then this could work even without perfect splits of the votes.
As much as I am tempted, I never respond to you.
Particularly, while being an officer of the court, you threatened Nath and myself with physical violence.
Andrew_Earlwoodsays:
Sunday, November 23, 2025 at 12:18 pm
“nath says:
Sunday, November 23, 2025 at 12:07 pm
Oakeshott Countrysays:
Raises an interesting point re the unpleasant discussion 2 nights ago when Clem Attlee was piled on for supporting the English cricket team.
__________
The pile on is still on going, just sputtering along now.”
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If either of you think for a moment that the so called “pile on” was simply because Clem supported the English Cricket team then your brain is broke.
However, you both know that the back and forth had little to do with the English Cricket team, but you are now – blatantly dishonestly – seeking to ‘reframe the debate’. …
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The lack of acknowledgement of Australian Air Crew who flew and died to defend the United Kingdom during the Second World War was most unedifying of Clem. The Cricket was secondary.
His personal attack on me calling me a “Teemu Chips Rafferty (Sic.)” was in all honesty quite humorous.
Oakeshott Country:
Sunday, November 23, 2025 at 11:45 am
They have had a shocking run; in fact, the worst since ’58, with ten defeats this year. I’m seriously thinking of abandoning my support. They were going okay against the frogs, but they couldn’t put it together, going down 48-33. Blame will be sheeted home to Schmidt, but it goes far deeper than that.
I see Donnie has been hit with a dose of TACOitis.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/23/trump-says-ukraine-deal-is-not-final-offer-as-officials-gather-for-geneva-summit
Australia is a global leader in trafficking fossil fuels so I won’t be taking signed ‘statements’ of intent to cease that at all seriously until it is phased out.
Anne Applebaum on twitter
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This is not a peace plan. It is a proposal that weakens Ukraine and divides America from Europe, preparing the way for a larger war in the future. In the meantime, it benefits unnamed Russian and American investors, at the expense of everyone else.
The Wallabies I believe are ranked 7th and doing their best to catch Scotland’s Cricket rating
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I see similarities with rowing.
I’ve mentioned this before, I grew up in an area with no private schools and a thriving rugby union and rugby league culture. Players would move between codes regularly. It gave players a broader set of skills and widened the pool of players that both codes representative teams could draw on. These days the paddocks are dominated by League.
It may well be that elite rugby has become so specialised that the only way Australia can compete globally is for the sport to be dominated by private schools (like rowing). But if this is “competing” then I do wonder whose bums fill the seats of large stadiums in the future. Will it will be an exclusive bubble of supporters and players? That begs the question – is it a national sport?
Interesting that neither the Herald Sun or the Age have coverage of the Darwin cyclone.
ABC and the Guardian do.
I have a friend there who got out to Brisbane for the weekend
“Tatiana Schlossberg, a granddaughter of John F Kennedy, has announced she has less than a year to live after being diagnosed with terminal blood cancer.
The 35-year-old environmental journalist was diagnosed with myeloid leukaemia last year after doctors noticed her “strange” white-blood-cell count after she gave birth to her daughter.
Writing about her treatment in the New Yorker magazine on the 62nd anniversary of her grandfather’s assassination, Ms Schlossberg said her doctor told her he could keep her “alive for a year, maybe”.
She wrote: “My first thought was that my kids, whose faces live permanently on the inside of my eyelids, wouldn’t remember me. My son might have a few memories, but he’ll probably start confusing them with pictures he sees or stories he hears.
“I didn’t ever really get to take care of my daughter – I couldn’t change her diaper or give her a bath or feed her. I don’t know who, really, she thinks I am, and whether she will feel or remember, when I am gone, that I am her mother.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2025/11/22/jfk-granddaughter-terminal-cancer/
UpN
I have to say I also have little respect for someone, who thinks “Bush Christmas” was his greatest work. I used to think it was the bottom of the pile but I had the misfortune of seeing a snippet of Eureka Stockade recently. For all his faults, Peter Lalor didn’t deserve that.
He saved his best till last “Wake in Fright” is a class film.
“The lack of acknowledgement of Australian Air Crew who flew and died to defend the United Kingdom during the Second World War was most unedifying of Clem. The Cricket was secondary.”
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Cricket barely registered …
UpN gave the best prognosis for Union – it’s the sporting equivalent of Latin; extinct except in private schools
They were going okay against the frogs, but they couldn’t put it together
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It has been thus for some time. It isn’t easy to put it together under the weight of pressure these top teams apply. But they aren’t amateurs cobbled together a few weeks before a tour. The errors (under duress) seem fundamental. Are highly skilled Australians just playing other sports?
Fitz isnt wrong. They have beaten good sides this year. But they can just as easily fail to make it out of their pool at the RWC.
Jack Waterford
Richo’s grave should be extra deep
https://johnmenadue.com/post/2025/11/richos-grave-should-be-extra-deep/
“He may have had a role in its political success between the late 1970s and the mid-1990s, but his achievements came at a terrific and lasting cost to the reputation, integrity and probity of the party. It was exemplified by the title of his autobiography, Whatever it takes.
That lasting pall has been obvious in the amazing and appalling decision by Prime Minister Anthony Albanese to give the corrupt old villain a state funeral. No one knew better than Albanese, at one stage one of his most bitter enemies, what a bad man, as well as what a ruthless bastard, Richardson was.
Instead we got the syrup of someone who is, these days, almost the number two member of the faction he once existed to fight. Richardson was “often colourful, and sometimes controversial, but what lay at the heart of it was his sense of service, underpinned by his powerful blend of passion and pragmatism,” Albanese said. “He gave so much to our party, to our nation and to the natural environment that future generations will cherish.”
Such tosh says more about Albo than it does about Richo. It is all one with a government which has abandoned recent noble hopes of being a reformer of government and an oasis of integrity and transparency. Labor is now back to its good old days of secrecy, rorts, jobs for the cronies and hands in the till. These are the virtues the old scoundrel stood for. They will lay the party low sooner than many might think.
It was less of a surprise to hear Richard Marles, current head of the faction Richardson once ruled, describe Richardson as a true patriot and hero. Marles comes from the same robber baron tradition if without the personality, brain or cunning or policy achievements.
:::
Labor is always vulnerable to accusations of governing for insiders and mates.
The problems are much increased in the modern day when more politicians have come from their party’s “professional” ranks – as suits working as minders or advisers, in the party organisation, in major lobbies and pressure groups and think tanks closely associated with the party, and in employer and union groups.
Many such people have never worked out of the political circle. They have spent their entire working lives preparing for a political career followed by a lobbying one. Albanese has himself always worked exclusively within the party but once pretended to be a grass roots reformer. Nowadays he has no voice to speak of Labor ideals, no call to action, and no road map for the future.
He has right now a record majority and the advantage of an opposition seemingly determined to commit suicide. His short term position is probably unassailable.
The biggest risk to a continuing Labor government comes from itself, and it will not be from overreach, excessive ambition or being caught with his pants down. It will be from inertia, complacency, corruption or incompetence. And by public impressions that the government is not listening to ordinary voters, but is paying attention to insiders, mates, and high-paid lobbyists.
These are vices of the sort which always flourish when the party has been infiltrated by crooks, urgers and chancers. And by people like Richo manipulating the idealism of people who actually want to serve the people, rather than their own pockets.”
Rex Douglas:
Sunday, November 23, 2025 at 10:54 am
Mavissays:
Sunday, November 23, 2025 at 9:58 am
This man is a disaster. Why Dreyfus selected him is beyond comprehension: …
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I’m not sure about that, but as a former Court of Appeal judge, it is of great concern that he doesn’t know what a conflict of interest is, and he keeps compounding his lack of judgment. When Dreyfus nominated him, surely he knew that Brereton was a senior officer (Maj Gen) in the reserves, giving rise to potential conflicts of interest. But unless he takes early retirement, we’ve got him until 30 June, ’28.
Upnorth
So very sad . Especially when so,young with very young children.
If I had gone all the way through the American schools system I would ask “the bigger the number the better in terms of rankings? Like a higher score in golf?”
Jack Waterford
Richo’s grave should be extra deep
https://johnmenadue.com/post/2025/11/richos-grave-should-be-extra-deep/
“He may have had a role in its political success between the late 1970s and the mid-1990s, but his achievements came at a terrific and lasting cost to the reputation, integrity and probity of the party. It was exemplified by the title of his autobiography, Whatever it takes.
That lasting pall has been obvious in the amazing and appalling decision by Prime Minister Anthony Albanese to give the corrupt old villain a state funeral. No one knew better than Albanese, at one stage one of his most bitter enemies, what a bad man, as well as what a ruthless bastard, Richardson was.
Instead we got the syrup of someone who is, these days, almost the number two member of the faction he once existed to fight. Richardson was “often colourful, and sometimes controversial, but what lay at the heart of it was his sense of service, underpinned by his powerful blend of passion and pragmatism,” Albanese said. “He gave so much to our party, to our nation and to the natural environment that future generations will cherish.”
Such tosh says more about Albo than it does about Richo. It is all one with a government which has abandoned recent noble hopes of being a reformer of government and an oasis of integrity and transparency. Labor is now back to its good old days of secrecy, rorts, jobs for the cronies and hands in the till. These are the virtues the old scoundrel stood for. They will lay the party low sooner than many might think.
It was less of a surprise to hear Richard Marles, current head of the faction Richardson once ruled, describe Richardson as a true patriot and hero. Marles comes from the same robber baron tradition if without the personality, brain or cunning or policy achievements.
:::
Labor is always vulnerable to accusations of governing for insiders and mates.
The problems are much increased in the modern day when more politicians have come from their party’s “professional” ranks – as suits working as minders or advisers, in the party organisation, in major lobbies and pressure groups and think tanks closely associated with the party, and in employer and union groups.
Many such people have never worked out of the political circle. They have spent their entire working lives preparing for a political career followed by a lobbying one. Albanese has himself always worked exclusively within the party but once pretended to be a grass roots reformer. Nowadays he has no voice to speak of Labor ideals, no call to action, and no road map for the future.
He has right now a record majority and the advantage of an opposition seemingly determined to commit suicide. His short term position is probably unassailable.
The biggest risk to a continuing Labor government comes from itself, and it will not be from overreach, excessive ambition or being caught with his pants down. It will be from inertia, complacency, corruption or incompetence. And by public impressions that the government is not listening to ordinary voters, but is paying attention to insiders, mates, and high-paid lobbyists.
These are vices of the sort which always flourish when the party has been infiltrated by crooks, urgers and chancers. And by people like Richo manipulating the idealism of people who actually want to serve the people, rather than their own pockets.”
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Requoted for truth.
Ah, Pegarex: the afternoon shift.
Mavis
Brereton’s report on the war crimes was lacking re the brass. McBride shone the light but was targeted, smeared and imprisoned.
Nek minnut Brereton is installed as NACC commish, just in time to deal with multiple issues of serious concern. Funny that.
“Brereton’s report on the war crimes was lacking re the brass. McBride shone the light but was targeted, smeared and imprisoned.”
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This is a poor historical fiction.
Bolsonaro has been arrested after attempting to remove his ankle bracelet. He had been under house arrest, probably unaware that an attempt to do so would be immediately known by those who are monitoring him. He’s now confirmed without doubt that he’s a flight risk. Lock him up!
Oakeshott Countrysays:
Sunday, November 23, 2025 at 12:49 pm
UpN
I have to say I also have little respect for someone, who thinks “Bush Christmas” was his greatest work. I used to think it was the bottom of the pile but I had the misfortune of seeing a snippet of Eureka Stockade recently. For all his faults, Peter Lalor didn’t deserve that.
He saved his best till last “Wake in Fright” is a class film.
中华人民共和国
That’s alright OC. Diversity should be celebrated and each to their own.
But as kid memories of watching “Bush Christmas” with mum and dad, siblings and deceased Grandparents – bring back a happy time.
We only had one commercial TV Station in those days Upnorth (TNQ-7) and “Bush Christmas” was played on that Station every Christmas Eve.
The whole mob would gather at the Grandparents for a BBQ and Christmas greetings. “Bush Christmas” was a must for we kids – cane toad hunting was even curtailed for the event.
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Andrew_Earlwoodsays:
Sunday, November 23, 2025 at 12:18 pm
“nath says:
Sunday, November 23, 2025 at 12:07 pm
Oakeshott Countrysays:
Raises an interesting point re the unpleasant discussion 2 nights ago when Clem Attlee was piled on for supporting the English cricket team.
__________
The pile on is still on going, just sputtering along now.”
++++++
If either of you think for a moment that the so called “pile on” was simply because Clem supported the English Cricket team then your brain is broke.
However, you both know that the back and forth had little to do with the English Cricket team, but you are now – blatantly dishonestly – seeking to ‘reframe the debate’. …
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I agree with AE
Andrew_Earlwoodsays:
Sunday, November 23, 2025 at 1:09 pm
Ah, Pegarex: the afternoon shift.
中华人民共和国
The Gang of Four has become the Gang of Three.
Tories must be having trouble getting volunteers to log in.
Rex Douglas:
Sunday, November 23, 2025 at 1:10 pm
I’d like to say that every misstep by Brereton will become public knowledge, but I can’t. Witness, for instance, the number of meetings he had with Gaynor (Inspector-General of the Australian Defence Force), which only came to light after Shoebridge filed a FOI request. While Gaynor got the number of meetings wrong, Brereton should have paid special attention to the number of times he had dealings with the former. I think this is yet another example of Brereton’s laissez-faire attitude to his job.
If i was Usman Khawaja I would be staying off social media for the next few days.
He is copping a hammering.
Lol Taylormade
Nikki Savva on Insiders this morning was a study. She is a vengeful woman, but has finally shifted her focus away from Dutton, whose humiliating defeat appears to have aroused some feelings of pity in her soul. Her main target now appears to be Sussan Ley, who refused to talk to Savva for her book, and who allegedly committed the unforgivable (in Savva’s mind), but hardly unusual sin of engaging in realpolitik: in this instance, starting to talk to parliamentarians about the post-Dutton future and her possible role as party leader at the point of the campaign at which it became obvious that Dutton was going to lose big time.
@meher baba
I didn’t see Insiders today, but Nikki Saava should know it’s nothing personal, Sussan Ley not speaking to her for her book, while she is the leader. Bill Shorten didn’t speak on the ABC’s Killing Season, and Peter Dutton didn’t speak on ABC’s Nemesis as they were both leaders when it was produced. If Ley were to talk to Savva, you would get a very safe diplomatic answer rather than a frank, honest opinion. So the whole thing would be pointless anyway.
From the Age. Seems like it’s the white people taking all the jobs and houses. The Nazis won’t be happy.
“Australia is giving out a record number of short-term visas to backpackers, adding to the growth of temporary residents in the migration system.
There were 321,000 working holiday visas issued last financial year, up more than a third on the previous year.
Young people from the United Kingdom are leading the trend, making up a quarter of all backpacker visas as they take advantage of the Morrison-era trade agreement that lifted the maximum age for British working holidaymakers and shed a requirement they spend 88 days each year doing regional work.”
Vivienne Thom’s oversight panel exposed Brereton and should have disqualified him from consideration as NACC commish or any other Govt appointment.
But nooo, Govt had a special mission for the good ol’ boy…
Scott says:
Sunday, November 23, 2025 at 1:41 pm
Lol Taylormade
中华人民共和国
Good to see you padding back up cobber!!
Andrew_Earlwoodsays:
Sunday, November 23, 2025 at 1:12 pm
“Brereton’s report on the war crimes was lacking re the brass. McBride shone the light but was targeted, smeared and imprisoned.”
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This is a poor historical fiction.
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There are none so blind as those who will not see…
That article by the always quixotic Jack Waterford neglects the dimension that there were three key ALP factions in NSW back in the day. Albo’s hard left faction arguably got on better with Richo’s Right faction than it did the “soft left” faction of Faulkner, Baldwin, etc.
Others who were closer to the action than me might beg to differ, but I think Waterford’s claim that Richo’s faction “existed” to fight Albo’s faction is insufficiently nuanced.
Upnorth says:
Sunday, November 23, 2025 at 1:45 pm
Scott says:
Sunday, November 23, 2025 at 1:41 pm
Lol Taylormade
中华人民共和国
Good to see you padding back up cobber!!
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It going to be interesting on what Taylormade ,does when Pat Cummings return
Scott says:
Sunday, November 23, 2025 at 1:52 pm
Upnorth says:
Sunday, November 23, 2025 at 1:45 pm
Scott says:
Sunday, November 23, 2025 at 1:41 pm
Lol Taylormade
中华人民共和国
Good to see you padding back up cobber!!
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It going to be interesting on what Taylormade ,does when Pat Cummings return
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And bags a 5 for!
Upnorth says:
Sunday, November 23, 2025 at 1:43 pm
From the Age. Seems like it’s the white people taking all the jobs and houses. The Nazis won’t be happy.
“Australia is giving out a record number of short-term visas to backpackers, adding to the growth of temporary residents in the migration system.
There were 321,000 working holiday visas issued last financial year, up more than a third on the previous year.
Young people from the United Kingdom are leading the trend, making up a quarter of all backpacker visas as they take advantage of the Morrison-era trade agreement that lifted the maximum age for British working holidaymakers and shed a requirement they spend 88 days each year doing regional work.”
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I certainly have an issue with this sort of migration – “backpacking” jobs may be romanticized but are an employment subsidy to businesses either looking to underpay workers, or as an excuse to avoid productivity enhancing investment (I call BS on the idea that fruit picking can never be done by machines).
And as for the Guardian and their absurd “Oh no, the liberals are talking about migration … Labor bad!” beat-up, it is demonstrable instead of how the collective left is so afraid of their shadow on migration that it cedes an economic issue to those wanting to make it racial. The last thing the Australian economy needs is more below-average income earners making up work that should either be better paid or automated.
For every two English bar workers or fruit pickers, we should be inviting an Indian engineer or Chinese tech entrepreneur instead.
Bizzcan says:
Sunday, November 23, 2025 at 2:00 pm
For every two English bar workers or fruit pickers, we should be inviting an Indian engineer or Chinese tech entrepreneur instead.
中华人民共和国
Bloody well said mate.
“Taylormade says:
Sunday, November 23, 2025 at 1:35 pm
If i was Usman Khawaja I would be staying off social media for the next few days.
He is copping a hammering.”
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I’m sure he’ll be ok. He knows white men can’t jump, especially those whose sense of entitlement and superiority is butt hurt.
If I was Usman the Magnificent, I would however be laying off the golf course and focusing on rehab: a double century in the new years test at the SCG beckons. …
Aorta employ some random Brit backpackers as ashes cricketers.
MB
Surely Richo’s faction, however called, was a continuation of the groupers who, in NSW, took control of the party rather than split.
Richo’s contribution was to enable the corruption of the right until it split into Terrigals and Trogs.
Boerwar says:
Sunday, November 23, 2025 at 2:13 pm
Aorta employ some random Brit backpackers as ashes cricketers.
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I thought that’s what the ECB were doing already …