None of the major opinion pollsters have anything to report today, but there’s a strong chance Roy Morgan will come through today, it being five weeks since their last result (UPDATE: Not so – so it looks like it’s actually a few weeks away). DemosAU continues to eke out results from a poll of 1079 respondents conducted July 31, last week reporting that 45% supported the government’s plan to increase the tax rate on superannuation earnings for balances over $3 million, with 33% opposed. Other than that:
• Nine Newspapers reports Special Minister of State Don Farrell has directed the Joint Standing Committee on Electoral Matters to inquire into fixed four-year terms, increasing the size of parliament, aggressive election campaign tactics, and funding of third-party campaigners. Four-year terms would require a referendum, and an earlier effort to that effect in 1988 was heavily defeated. One sticking point among many was that Senate terms would have become tied to those of the House, thereby undoing the intricate formula of staggered and fixed Senate terms that the small states insisted on during the federation debates of the 1890s. While not requiring a referendum, increasing the size of parliament is complicated by the Constitution’s “nexus” clause, which requires that the House be twice the size of the Senate. This means increases cannot occur in small increments: there would realistically have to be an increase from 12 Senate seats per state to 14, meaning 24 extra seats in the House even if the territories’ Senate representation was not increased, which presumably it would be. The Nine report says this could be “countered by phasing in the new electorates over a longer time frame” – I can only think this might mean a transitional term in which the Senate would have 13 members and the House would gain its required extra members over two terms.
• The focus of the JSCEM inquiry on election campaign tactics would seem to have been inspired by the activities of the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church, the fringe religious organisation formerly known as the Exclusive Brethren. Its involvement in the Liberal campaign was the subject of an exposé on Saturday by Michael Bachelard of Nine Newspapers.
• Sarah Ison of The Australian reports Mark Dreyfus, having been dumped as Attorney-General after the election, is expected to announce his retirement in the coming months, citing one Labor source saying it will be as soon as next month. The party’s national secretary, Paul Erickson, has been mentioned as a possible successor in Dreyfus’s Melbourne seat of Isaacs, which would mean the Left taking a seat currently held by the Right. The Right faction Australian Workers Union, with which Dreyfus is associated, favours Steve Michelson, founder and director of communications firm Banksia Strategic Partners and a former adviser to Bill Shorten.
• Adelaide’s Sunday Mail reports Liberal sources saying they believe Tony Pasin will be challenged for preselection in Barker by Nicolle Flint, who held Boothby from 2016 to 2022 and failed in a comeback attempt in May. David Penberthy of The Australian reported a fortnight ago that Flint had been at loggerheads with Pasin and hard right ally Alex Antic, giving rise to rival conservative sub-factions respectively identified as “the prayer group” and “the coalition of the disaffected”. The catalysts were the Antic-Pasin faction’s refusal to back Flint as candidate for Boothby and traditional conservatives for state council; Antic deposing Anne Rushton at the top of the Senate ticket for the election in May; and concerns sitting conservative MPs would be targeted for preselection (the latter perhaps referring to the Sunday Mail report’s suggestion that Heidi Girolamo and Ben Hood may face challenges for the top positions on the state upper house ticket).
• Weeks after taking up his seat in the Senate, New South Wales One Nation Senator Warwick Stacey announced his resignation in mid-August citing “personal health issues”. Rhianna Down of The Australian reports “speculation Senator Hanson could replace Senator Stacey with her daughter Lee Hanson or long-term One Nation staffer James Ashby”. There has been no further reportage on the matter so far as I’m aware.
Andrew McK:
Flinders (Vic Federal Seat) and Flinders (SA state seat)
IIRC, this was the subject of a confusing exchange between Annabel Crabb and Antony Green on Federal election night.
I also remember thinking that, in general, I wish I had heard more from Antony and less from Annabel during the ABC election coverage.
Steve
With all due respect, I don’t think that says very much for you as a person. Try looking at it from the perspective of his wife and young family and how they must be feeling.
The Norwegian Princess studying in Sydney is being boganised Aussie style.
Daily mail have photos of her in thongs,trackie dacks and gut hanging out.
Gold!
On Jacinta Price and PHON, I don’t think either have great futures.
Like Abbott, Price has done well playing the attack dog. But she shows no signs of being a clever strategist or a team builder. Her Indian immigrant comments were a sure way to burn votes. Yet she couldn’t have the insight or tact to walk them back even after other Liberal MPs made apologies for her. She is just a loose cannon.
PHON are riding higher now but still not at their peak from two decades ago as William pointed out. They (she) have no new ideas or slogans. As Hanson’s star fades, so will PHON IMO.
I interpret PHON’s recent polls as nothing more than disgruntled Liberals voting PHON in the absence of any credible conservative leader and an unwillingness to vote Teal or Labor.
Bystander @ #2351 Sunday, September 14th, 2025 – 7:21 pm
Yeah, try to think of it the same way as Charlie Kirk would when someone on the opposite side of politics gets attacked. Like how he reacted to when Paul Pelosi was nearly beaten to death.
Shogun says:
Sunday, September 14, 2025 at 6:38 pm
Bean:
Dont remember if this was posted here but thought id follow up on Grant Linehan. Turns out this is what he was arrested in relation to.
What a nutjob. If I gave it any thought, the Tarquin reference could be regarded as appalling.
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Bean is incorrect.
He was arrested by armed police for a tweet he posted in April.
He was flying in from the USA for a different matter: to attend this court case relating to a fracas when trans activists invaded a women’s (or LGB?) meeting to try to close it down.
And for something completely different …… EV’s 🙂
Being not that far from retirement, and looking forward to a more regular need to go back and forth about 2 1/2 hour trip every other weekend to be with my also retiring partner 🙂 who is moving south ….. I bought my very first ever new car. Ok, a demo model with 5500km on it. Got a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV.
Its got enough battery (20kw) to be able to get me back and forth to work as an EV with me charging it at home every 2 or 3 days, and on the couple of long runs so far gets about 6.5l / 100km. Very comfy, and the only mod so far is ditching the stock Geolander tyres for Falken A/T’s that were very nice in the wet and wind last weekend. Luving the electric …very smooth and regen braking is something i can get used to. 🙂
Now have to lobby the local Govt in our town down south to fix the fast chargers there. 🙁 But, can live without them mostly. Anyone running anything similar and had good / bad experiences??
I do not like violence in politics and therefore agree that the shooting of Charlie Kirk is a regrettable crime. I sympathise with his family, despite the fact that I think Kirk was a deeply flawed person.
Yet I still find the reaction to his death disproportionate and marked by inconsistency. Kirk was not (yet) a politician or public official. In the past few years we have seen a string of violent incidents of US politicians including at least three murders plus Nancy Pelosi’s husband being crippled in their home. (Plus dead police in the aftermath of the January 6th riots.) All were caused by right wing activists. It was thoughts and prayers from GOP supporters, and cutting Democrats’ personal security from Trump.
Now somebody on the right wing side suffers a similar fate and they expect everyone to think it the worst crime ever. It is not. It is one of a string of similar crimes, no more, no less.
” Steve
With all due respect, I don’t think that says very much for you as a person. Try looking at it from the perspective of his wife and young family and how they must be feeling.”
His wife and family are hurting and I don’t minimise that.
So are the families of hundreds of school shooting victims.
And the families of those in the USA who can’t get health care.
And two million surviving Gazans.
The outbreak of public grief is very selective. And nauseating.
SL @ #2279 Sunday, September 14th, 2025 – 5:11 pm
We had our first full month of battery supported suppy. Ended up saying 30% on this time last year. That’s in August which is traditionally the woolliest month of the year in Tasmania
“Try looking at it from the perspective of his wife and young family and how they must be feeling.”
Considering his widely publicized views on Gun control, think i will try and look at it from what i think may be the perspective of some of the many people in the US who have lost family gun violence. Not celebrating, sad for his family, but certainly not mourning the bloke.
I agree with Steve777 that the reaction to Kirk is overblown. When elected officials were killed in Minnesota this year, Trump said it would be a waste of time for him to speak with the governor, yet is happy to lower flags to half mast for Kirk for days.
Or think of the majority of Americans families who witness gun violence every day, or the rest of world who watches the systematic killing of Gazans including children on the social feeds everyday, yet we are suppose to wave that away as normal. Yet we are told we are suppose to morn someone who themselves advocated for gun violence being the price of the 2nd amendment
imacca, when you were asking if anyone had any similar EV experiences, this probably wasn’t what you had in mind:
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2025/sep/12/ethiopia-electric-vehicle-power-petrol-diesel-cars-dam-green-energy
“Until recently, electric vehicles were almost unheard of in Ethiopia. But last year it became the first country to ban imports of combustion engine vehicles.”
Its simple but EVs coupled with Solar\Batteries delivers energy independence that ICE cars will never be able to deliver, less reliance on oil is a good thing for security and economic stability.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/09/13/charlie-kirk-turning-point-politics-debates/
To me this is just weird. Why would someone who’s never met these people be publicly instructing them on how to live their lives, to the point that he is directing one of the couple to submit to the other?
It actually reminds me of the chattering classes in the religious Right in the 90s making demands around who gets to have sex with and be married to whom. Instead of just staying the hell out of people’s bedrooms, their homes and their lives. At some point I hope young people are going to wake up and realise that this kind of commentary is just incredibly stalkerish and deeply peculiar.
Imacca
Good for you regarding your PHEV. We love our EV for similar reasons. The peace and quiet is heaven on a long drive.
You don’t need to have the music up very loud because of the low background noise which in turn means you talk at a living room level of volume rather than raising our voices. A long drive becomes noticeably more relaxed.
One of the regrettable aspects of turning climate change into a culture war is that opportunities to improve the quality of our lives through new technology are not being exploited.
I think we can all agree on one thing. When someone says things we don’t agree with, it is not ok to take a gun and shoot them in the neck.
Kirs:
Everyone processes grief differently. But leaving aside her behaviour, it’s clear to me from how all this has been reported in the media that she’s intent on ensuring that TPUSA doesn’t die alongside its founder.
Where do these RWNJ find these submissive women? I haven’t come across many.
13,000 gun deaths so far in the US this year. Name 5 of the other victims if you can. What’s so special about this Utah bloke? Nothing.
Deifying foot soldiers of the fascist regime puts us well and truly on the path to the demise of American ‘democracy’.
Thank Dog for boring old Albo and his masterful dispatching of Temu trump.
So glad he got my second preference.
Newspoll tonight?
Exhibit A on unwholesome thinking clearly being Charlie Kirk’s comments.
Yeah, the guy was clearly an anti-intellectual douchebag. But that isn’t a crime and certainly not a reason to shoot him.
Bystander @ #2370 Sunday, September 14th, 2025 – 7:58 pm
There’s the conundrum, when one side says “I think all of you woke degenerates need to be put into death camps and eradicated like the vermin you are”, what’s an acceptable response? I don’t think “I respectfully disagree” would do much.
“ Where do these RWNJ find these submissive women? I haven’t come across many.”
Hmmm. This may explain some social challenges the Incels are experiencing 🙂
I think the actual PV is something similar to Kiama by-election result.
Labor: 37%
LNP: 26%
Greens: 11%
If federal L-NP wants to come to power, they have to win seats like Kiama at federal level.
nath @ #2372 Sunday, September 14th, 2025 – 8:02 pm
Nath it’s better to be the sub
I’m sure that the canonisation of Italian teenager Carlo Acutis had nothing to do with attempting to make amends for the systemic sexual abuse of minors by Catholic clergy:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-09-07/carlo-acutis-first-millennial-saint-in-sneakers-gods-influencer-/105627918
Kirsdarke posted
Who are you quoting that from Kirsdarke? I’ve never heard of it.
Bystander @ #2378 Sunday, September 14th, 2025 – 8:15 pm
Look in the average comment section in News Corp articles, loads of them there.
And of course their figureheads won’t say something like that directly, they always play cute about it. It’s clear that they want to do a Final Solution on their opponents but it’s always behind smirks and giggles being like “Don’t be so paranoid, bro” until they actually get the camps up and running, then it’ll just be “Get in the truck.”
“Rest of Australia” has primaries of 39% for Labor and 22% for the LNP – continuing my vague and unscientific thesis that Labor is essentially a WA/SA party with east coast representation.
A reminder from 2022:
You don’t have to look in the comments sections of News Ltd Australia posts, you can hear that shit directly from sitting Republicans in the US congress.
https://www.mediaite.com/online/maga-congressman-goes-on-wild-rant-blaming-democrats-media-canadians-for-kirk-shooting-21st-century-brown-shirts/
Or how about this?
https://www.mediaite.com/politics/house-republican-calls-the-left-evil-and-willing-to-kill-like-pol-pot-in-wild-floor-speech/
Or this?
https://x.com/LauraLoomer/status/1965863201691844681?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1965863201691844681%7Ctwgr%5E30558342cc1c9ba01b5000f8b6207becd9cea029%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mediaite.com%2Fwp-admin%2Fpost.php%3Fpost%3D5657851action%3Dedit
Kirsdarke
Perhaps you should do yourself a favour and stop reading them. I never even knew who Charlie Kirk was until after he was shot.
that graphic would only place WA at the center of the Solar System, not the Universe and not even the Milky Way Galaxy.
Looks like we have a newspoll. Can someone jump in and get the numbers pls
Kirsdarke is on watch for all signs that the current time is analogous to the 1930s.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/newspoll-coalition-records-its-worst-ever-primary-vote/news-story/ff6fc647bd2b283d45d28a9b62106b7a
Newspoll: Coalition records its worst ever primary vote
The Coalition’s primary vote has plummeted to an all-time low of 27 per cent after Sussan Ley’s dramatic sacking of Jacinta Nampijinpa Price sparked fresh party turmoil.
Geoff Chambers
September 14, 2025 – 8:30PM
Sussan Ley’s Coalition has slumped to its worst primary vote in Newspoll history in the wake of Jacinta Nampijinpa Price’s sacking and ugly internal brawling, delivering Anthony Albanese his biggest two-party-preferred vote lead since becoming Prime Minister.
A Newspoll conducted between Monday and Thursday last week shows the Coalition’s primary vote crashing to an all-time low of 27 per cent, which has lifted Labor’s two-party-preferred buffer to a dominant 58 per cent to 42 per cent.
In addition to the Coalition claiming its lowest level of support since Newspoll first counted primary votes in November 1985, the Opposition Leader’s net approval rating plunged to minus-17, with 32 per cent of voters satisfied with her performance and 49 per cent dissatisfied.
The poll of 1264 voters reveals Labor’s primary vote remains static at 36 per cent, as minor parties and independents benefit from Australians turning away from the major parties.
While Labor commands a bigger two-party-preferred margin compared to the highs of Mr Albanese’s post-2022 election honeymoon, the primary votes for both major parties remain at historically low levels.
Pauline Hanson’s One Nation has been the biggest beneficiary of Coalition brawling over Senator Price, migration, climate change and net zero, with the minor party’s primary vote rising from 6.4 per cent at the May 3 election to 10 per cent. The Greens lifted to 13 per cent and others, which includes minor parties and independents, jumped to 14 per cent.
After Mr Albanese last month returned to positive net approval ratings for the first time since before the 2023 Indigenous voice referendum, the Prime Minister’s performance ranking fell from plus-3 to minus 5, with 45 per cent satisfied and 50 per cent dissatisfied. Mr Albanese remains well-ahead of Ms Ley on who voters believe is the better prime minister, holding an unchanged 51 per cent to 31 per cent lead over his rival.
With the Coalition’s primary vote now tracking 4.8 per cent lower than the 31.8 per cent achieved by Peter Dutton at the election, Ms Ley is under pressure from colleagues to take the fight up to Mr Albanese and fast-track policy positions on climate change, migration and energy.
Looks like Libs are at 27% going by the headline.
Similar result to the Resolve tonight.
Tough week for Sussan coming up.
3 polls over the weekend.
Yep. New thread coming up! Go WB.
& thanks Leroy. I knew there would be someone around with Oz access.
According to GhostWhoVotes it’s 58-42 to Labor 2pp (+2 to Labor).
Primary votes are
Labor: 36% (=)
Coalition 27% (-3)
Greens: 13% (+1)
One Nation: 10% (+1)
Other: 14% (+1)
Elon Musk fermenting violence in England and supporting Tommy Robinson.
Wonder if they’ll try and arrest him next time he visits town physically.
Surely this is worse than the tweets they’ve arrested people over.
If he starts speaking to the Nazis in Australia, I would hope the government would take the opportunity to shut off X in Australia and really hit the fucker in the goolies.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/sep/13/elon-musk-calls-for-dissolution-of-parliament-at-far-right-rally-in-london
Watch the usual suspects declare that Ley is responsible for the Libs’ awful Newspoll result and it’s time for her to go.
Just remember, 94 seats was the result dished up by their hero (then) Dutton.
Not that anybody dares mention his name now.
Albanese – Approve: 45% (-4) Disapprove: 50% (+4)
Ley – Approve: 32% (-3) Disapprove: 49% (+5)
Preferred PM: Albanese 51%, Ley 31% (No change)
nadia88 – I use Bypass Paywall Clean on my main browser, and have various other paywall dodging extensions on other browsers. Failing all else, I put the URL in archive.is or try archive.org- I find this solves most blocks. There is no need for the experienced politics heads here to be stuck at a paywall!
New thread.
Getting my 26.4kw batteries installed in 10 days 5 kw inverter to go with the 12kw 30 panels all installed…then I’ll switch to amber…..
Battery cost …$6800
Fess, I’ve been thinking about the over the top response to this assassination.
Whilst it is way too soon to see how this plays out, I am reminded of the saying ‘never let a crisis go to waste’. The Christian right, because this is really what the MAGA movement has been co-opted by, see this an opportunity to normalise their outrage to the new standard of public discourse. This is the way they are trying to move what we know as the Overton window as far to the right as they can, the window of discourse is now being set to a point where anything which is not right woke (the irony) is a thought crime or crime against civilization.
We’ve see this before in the recent past (again the irony), this is what Iran and Afghanistan achieved with their theocratic approach to government. The loss of education for women in Afghanistan is a great example of how the window of discourse was moved in that country.
Trump himself is rapidly becoming an empty shell, he hasnt lost his grip on the Republican party mainly because the Republican party (again the irony) is actually RINO but not in the form that is so often used by MAGA. It has become the Christian Theocratic Party of the Republic. This is why even as Trump begins to rapidly fail as an old man the CTPR will move from strength to strength.
The same battle is currently taking place in the Australian Liberal Party, and really I think they have nearly succeeded. The only thing saving Australian from the Christian Theocratic Liberal Party is that Australians on the whole are not of the pentecostal brand of Christian that the Americans are. The good old CofE, a large component of our Judaeo Christian ethos, might actually save us in that the CofE dont really believe in all that god stuff.
Nothing will be settled in the US until we see what occurs in the 2026 midterms. I dont mean the vote, or the swing, or the turn out, or any of that nonsense. I mean the response of the CTPR. Will the Trump led MAGA in name only CTPR effectively declare the election null and void in some very overt fashion (keeping an eye on the blue city invasions going on right now).
Bystander
WTF does MAGA canonisation actually do for Charlie Kirk’s family, outside of opportunities for a mega-grift?
EDIT: they are simply reduced to political collateral
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nathsays:
Sunday, September 14, 2025 at 8:35 pm
Kirsdarke is on watch for all signs that the current time is analogous to the 1930s
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The roles are reversed this time when compared to 1930s. The saviour (USA) and the victims are desperately trying their level best to make it the redux of 1930s
Bystandersays:
Sunday, September 14, 2025 at 7:21 pm
Steve777says:
Sunday, September 14, 2025 at 7:10 pm
I find this outbreak of grief and rage for Charlie Kirk shooting both alarming and nauseating.
Steve
With all due respect, I don’t think that says very much for you as a person. Try looking at it from the perspective of his wife and young family and how they must be feeling.
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Around 20,000 people get murdered a year in the USA. Surely some of them were more deserving of eulogising then this guy.