It appears Roy Morgan may have resumed its weekly federal polling schedule, offering a new poll conducted last Monday to Sunday from a sample of 1522. This is consistent with its pre-election form and in contrast with its other two polls since the election, which had longer field work periods and bigger samples. The results, however, are much the same: Labor leads 57.5-42.5 on two-party preferred (56.5-43.5 when based on preference flows at the election rather than respondent allocation), in from 58-42 in last week’s result, from primary votes of Labor 36.5% (down one), Coalition 30.5% (down half) and Greens 12% (steady), although One Nation perks up two-and-a-half points to 8.5%.
“If a key argument is that Albanese needs to be more like Keir Starmer …”
Yes, that was a turn-off.
Labor has taken a narrow lead in the Tasmanian state election race, according to a new YouGov poll. The party now holds 34 percent of the primary vote, up five points since the 2024 election. The Liberal Party follows closely at 31 percent, while support for Independents has risen sharply to 18 percent. The Greens are polling at 13 percent.
https://au.yougov.com/politics/articles/52457-labor-leads-in-tasmania-as-health-and-housing-dominate-voter-concerns
A lot of families in Western Melbourne are going to be freaking out this morning as this accused childcare worker pedo had done shifts at 30 different centres which are all now named and dated on a government website along with a suggestion out of an abundance of caution that kids at risk who attended a centre where this guy worked be tested for “an infectious disease”. They’ve not disclosed on the website which disease. But presumably we’re talking an STD.
Hopefully they all get clear tests and nothing further to worry about, and assuming this guy gets found guilty he’s stuffed in a hole for the term of his natural life.
This Tassie poll’s not so kind to Labor (from Dr Bonham).
“I hope we see a lot more results from this poll, which was widely reported in field by people taking it via the EMRS survey portal. At the moment what we have is a report in The Advocate regarding a poll taken for an “unnamed peak body” by a mix of robocall and panel methods and a very large sample size (4289) between June 19 and 26. The poll has results of Liberal 34 Labor 26.3 Green 15.1 and “independents” 19.3, leaving 4.7 for others. “
Wat Tylersays:
Tuesday, July 1, 2025 at 12:01 pm
Then it clearly doesn’t matter that much.
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It is also irrelevant. As SA is legislating an advisory group to parliament. It is not putting it into the constitution of SA though. I think most people who voted no in the voice referendum had a problem with it being in the constitution not with one existing via a legislation pathway.
Not indexing taxes is the “perfect” policy solution – indexation is the imperfect compromise largely pushed by commentators not really thinking through the consequences.
Firstly, government service delivery costs are rising much faster than any typical indexation rate. Therefore it is far more prudent to periodically actively examine tax rates rather than letting things change automatically, based on present fiscal needs. And no, government services can’t just rise “in line with inflation” – services are labour intensive who’s wages we want to rise faster than inflation anyway.
Secondly, in the real world “bracket creep” is the best politically neutral way of increasing revenue without opening massive fights – see the modest super changes as an example.
Finally, if Australia does end up a place where everyone has +$3 million in super and forced to pay the 30% tax … Good. It means Australia is a land of millionaires and we should all be contributing to amazing public services.
““If a key argument is that Albanese needs to be more like Keir Starmer …”
Yes, that was a turn-off.”
Your first clue should have been that it was a Latika Bourke article.
Just attacking Albo for the sake of attacking. (do I mean you or Latika?)
@newy boy – “PHON looks like it’s the parking lot for the grumble vote”
I’m more inclined to guess this is an outlier than a sudden burst for One Nation for no reason. We saw one or two of those sudden bursts from polls in the campaign but they didn’t eventuate on the day. We will have to see if any other polls emerge from hibernation.
Arky, yes, you’re probably right.
We don’t have many solar farms in remote areas due to the lack of transmission in those regions. China, however, has a history of using solar farms to combat desertification:
https://www.carbonbrief.org/explainer-how-chinas-renewables-rollout-boosts-its-war-on-sand/
Entropy: “I think most people who voted no in the voice referendum had a problem…”
… with indigenous people. I haven’t forgotten the overt racism, and the silence from many about that racism. They used “muh constitution” as an excuse to act the way they were going to act anyway.
I admit, the people arguing that Labor needs to preserve goodwill at any and all cost (i.e., keep it’s powder dry) are rather wearing upon me. The purpose of seeking power should always be backed by a reason for doing so; seeking power simply for the sake of holding power is a recipe for tyranny.
Having said that, I agree that legislating The Voice now would (at best) cost far more in lost goodwill than even the most optimistic rational calculation could argue it would recoup as The Voice shows that it’s not the bogeyman. No, that opportunity was lost in 2022-2023. I still maintain that the Government dropped the ball big-time in that regard, but that doesn’t mean that charging in now is the smart thing to do.
My advice? Do it discreetly, and in stages. The PM has a fair bit of discretion, as well as the budget to back it. Go to each of the major tribal groupings; ask them to select a liaison to work directly with the PM’s office and communicate both ways. Pull these liaisons into an informal group; publicly let the matter settle quietly for a year or two while discreetly doing the actual work that The Voice was intended to do. Monitor the liaisons closely, ensuring their actions meet the highest of ethical standards so that they are effectively unimpeachable by any reasonable onlooker. Once they’ve got a year or two of doing the job under their belts, formalize the group under some harmless acronym.
After another few years of work history in the position, pull them into the spotlight – and claim (more or less correctly) that this was what The Voice was meant to be the whole time, just with extra protections against a future PM nobbling them (a la John Howard). Not a “third chamber of Parliament”. Not an “Aboriginal lobby group with veto power”. Then put forward another referendum, one which clearly defines the extent and limits of the Voice’s scope, authority and purpose. Define the proposed Voice as being just like the PM’s Indigenous Advisory Council, only elected instead of selected. Then go all-out to steamroll the Opposition (and other naysayers) from then until the actual referendum.
@Mavis – “These types of antics will continue until the King gives Albanese an audience, and that won’t happen until the Rudd problem is sorted.”
While I also retain a grudge against Rudd over his antics in the Gillard years, this is silly. There’s no indication that Rudd is the reason for Albo not having met with Trump. Nor am I (and I think this is widely shared in the community) particularly chomping at the bit for Albo to meet with Trump.
Media shitstirrers gonna shit stir. Albo played a good straight bat to Stafanovic’s incitement and if this wasn’t the issue he was inciting on it would have been something else. The idea that “these antics” from the media will stop if only Albo meets with Trump is, um, strange.
Pisays:
Tuesday, July 1, 2025 at 12:26 pm
“I haven’t forgotten the overt racism, and the silence from many about that racism. They used “muh constitution” as an excuse to act the way they were going to act anyway.”
I didn’t realise you thought that at least 27% of Labor voters are racist
2025 Australian Federal Election 2PP
ALP 55.2%
LNP 44.8
2023 Voice Referendum
Yes 39.9%
No 60.1%
Pisays:
Tuesday, July 1, 2025 at 12:26 pm
Entropy: “I think most people who voted no in the voice referendum had a problem…”
… with indigenous people. I haven’t forgotten the overt racism, and the silence from many about that racism. They used “muh constitution” as an excuse to act the way they were going to act anyway.
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Yes many used it as cover for their racism. Just like you use small critters as cover for your attack on solar arrays. If it wasn’t for their dumb accusations about the constitution which confused many too. I believe the voice would have got up. I voted Yes myself and thought the constitutional argument was about as stupid as your current small critter scare argument.
Entropy, I’m don’t know why you think i hate either critters or solar. The more critters the better as far as I’m concerned.
Arange: “I didn’t realise you thought that at least 27% of Labor voters are racist ”
Then you just learned something. I don’t look away from despicable behaviour because of the colour of shirt they wear, unlike many others.
Arky, not astute enough to detect sarcasm.
The article had something for everyone to vent about. That was the point in case you missed it.
“Though Albo can’t tell Trump to bugger off but he can keep his distance and not initiate anything. If Rudd is contributing to this then he is doing his job for Australia.”
I reckon that Albo and Wong are keeping thier heads down where they can as far as Trump is concerned.
Trump is capricious and ego driven …. but undeniably influential. 🙁 dont kowtow, but dont go in his face on his bad side.
Yes, there are matters coming up, probably quite soon, that will likely mean the Australian govt saying things and taking positions Trump doesn’t like. Trump is a vengeful POS. But, whats he going to do??
Cancel AUKUS ?? Yay! 🙂
Apply tarrifs?? Yes, but he is going to do that anyway.
Other Trade responsses? Yes, probably, but he will do that anyay to try and prove he’s not TACO.
Seems to me that Australia is quite well positioned to survive …….. and probably do quite well from expanding trade with OTHER countires, over a period where the US is putting tarrifs on our exports to the US.
And on military cooperation? The US gets a very substantial overal strategic benefit from its relationship with Australia, they know that, and there will still be some sane heads in the DoD who will quietly point that out to the morons in charge.
Meanwhile, Australia moves closer to Europe and others for major procurement from a more reliable source, without totaly breaking ties with the US.
https://apnews.com/article/israel-west-bank-violence-bengvir-f455273300795d29a150254855136a5b
Interesting link from upthread. Are “Settlers” morphing into an enemy within for Israel??
“Entropy, I’m don’t know why you think i hate either critters or solar. The more critters the better as far as I’m concerned.”
You seem to be listing them as problem in your statement below or is it the shade tolerant native desert colonising plants that you label as so called “weeds” that you have a big problem with?
A weed is just something growing where you don’t want it to. So if you don’t want plants growing in “sun blasted hellscapes” does this mean you’re a huge fan of dust storms?
“One of the problems that will exist for putting so many solar panels into sun blasted hellscapes (a good part of Australia) is the shade it offers, and therefore the growth in weeds, and therefore critters.”
Benefits and costs
Keir Starmer is paying a heavy price for spending cuts that lacked a defensible rationale
https://insidestory.org.au/benefits-and-costs/
“It takes something for a prime minister with a majority of 156 to contrive a parliamentary defeat. But that was Sir Keir Starmer’s singular achievement this week. Or it would have been, had he not performed a giant policy U-turn to avoid it. His reversal avoids the humiliation of having well over one hundred Labour MPs voting against their own government. But the episode leaves Starmer’s authority and public approval in tatters.
The issue is welfare spending. …
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This is partly because welfare spending is assumed to be generally unpopular with the public. And it’s also because — unlike cutting expenditure on, say, education, health or policing — it doesn’t lead to unionised public servants losing their jobs. It simply makes welfare recipients poorer. And how much power do they have?
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The government’s proposed changes were not “reforming the system.” They were simply saving money. And doing so on the backs of some of the poorest and most vulnerable people in society.
For many Labour MPs this was simply unconscionable. They did not enter politics to do this. The government announced its proposals in March; by last week more than 120 Labour MPs had signed a parliamentary motion that would have killed the legislation. One frontbencher had already resigned and several more were threatening to….
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But Starmer offers no vision or philosophy that unites these policies, and no soundbites or slogans that imprint them on voters’ consciousness.”
Entropy, you seem to have a mistaken belief that when i say were gonna have more critters that it is a criticism. It’s like saying “oh what are going to do with all of this life that is springing up around our renewables facilities!!!” It’s a good problem to have, especially in what are former sun blasted hellscapes. I mean if ya wanna go pitchforks at twenty paces, I’m game.
I read Latika as someone who is angry that she is not on the drip.
Lets cut to the chase, her conservative leaks have dried up and all coalition leaks go to either NewsCorp or 2GB these days.
It would be a laugh if she breaks up with her partner returns to Australia and ends up on Sky after Dark.
nath @ #100 Tuesday, July 1st, 2025 – 12:07 pm
And I believe solar panels kill whales as well.
Holdenhillbilly @ #102 Tuesday, July 1st, 2025 – 12:10 pm
Gosh, I wonder what the Tasmanian electorate is trying to tell the major parties? Whatever it is, they’re not listening.
Pisays:
Tuesday, July 1, 2025 at 12:45 pm
Entropy, you seem to have a mistaken belief that when i say were gonna have more critters that it is a criticism. It’s like saying “oh what are going to do with all of this life that is springing up around our renewables facilities!!!” It’s a good problem to have. I mean if ya wanna go pitchforks at twenty paces, I’m game.
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I suspected it was you that had the problem with me. Particularly when you decided to quote my statement on the Voice selectively and out of context. Trying to make out it was saying something it wasn’t.
My full statement was this:
” I think most people who voted no in the voice referendum had a problem with it being in the constitution not with one existing via a legislation pathway.”
Yes some voted because they were racist but many voted because they become unsure due to the many lies told by the racists. Particularly the lies about what being in the constitution would mean.
The Federal Court has ruled that Muslim preacher Wissam Haddad knowingly breached racial hatred laws and upheld a complaint by the nation’s peak Jewish body that he knowingly broadcast anti-Semitic rhetoric in the wake of the October 7, 2023 Hamas terror attacks.
Justice Angus Stewart on Tuesday ruled that Mr Haddad had breached section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act in a series of lectures and sermons asserting that Jews were “vile” and “treacherous” people.
Mr Haddad, who legally changed his first name to William more than 20 years ago but who is also known as Abu Ousayd, was not in court as Justice Stewart presented a summary of his judgment at 12.30pm. He arrived seven minutes later when the verdict against him had been announced.
“I have found that the series of lectures titled The Jews of Al Madina conveys disparaging imputations about Jewish people, and that in all the circumstances were reasonably likely to offend, insult, humiliate and intimidate Jews in Australia,” Justice Stewart said. “They make perverse generalisations against Jewish people as a group. “Mr Haddad sought to justify the imputations on the basis that he was teaching tafsir, but the expert witnesses on Islamic theology from both sides agree that neither the Quran nor the Hadith teach that Jews have an inherent negative quality as a people.”
The Executive Council of Australian Jewry – whose senior executives launched the case – sought declarations that he and his Bankstown-based Al Madina Dawah Centre contravened Section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act, injunctions to remove the five offending sermons from the internet, and an order that the cleric refrain from publishing similar speeches in future. It did not ask for damages or monetary compensation.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/jihadi-preacher-wissam-haddad-to-face-racial-discrimination-verdict/news-story/fb73263b9f0d3f20de0dd9842b34d07b?amp
Palpatin- I mean Trump job approval:
Approve 45.5%
Disapprove 51.0%
Don’t know 3.5%
Trump net approval on the issues:
Immigration -3.3
Economy -12.5
Trade -14.0
Inflation -22.3
(source: Silver Bulletin)
I think there were pretty much four distinct voting blocs in the referendum – “hard no”, “soft no”, “soft yes”, “hard yes”.
Soft No and Soft Yes are basically similar types of people, the Voice probably didn’t mean much to them in their day to day lives and they merely went with their gut, which in Australia often means being skeptical and reluctant to make big changes. The “Soft No” group was probably the biggest, followed by “Soft Yes”.
The “Hard Yes” bloc was probably the smallest one, unfortunately for them, and I feel sorry for them that the referendum didn’t go the way they campaigned for.
The “Hard No” bloc meanwhile is mostly Cooker/Sky After Dark/Racists that saw it as a Culcha War Triumph and got too high on their own supply and went on to bother and annoy so many people that the Coalition was decimated at the election one and a half years later, including a lot of the “Soft No” bloc that had similar feelings about the Coalition’s Nuclear Revolution and Project Murdoch/Gina 2025.
I think a significant portion of the soft no’s used “muh constitution” to provide cover for their racism.
Arky:
Tuesday, July 1, 2025 at 12:28 pm
Rudd described Trump as a “traitor to the West” and the “most destructive president in history.” Trump’s reaction was predictable. Rudd made these comments in social media posts when he was the head of an independent US-based think tank. He deleted them, but I think the damage was done. Trump is almost childlike in his dealings; has a very delicate ego; and, he can be ruthless – whether it’s the issue of tariffs, defence (AUKUS), climate, or other matters concerning our national interest. I’m not sure Rudd can undo the damage. That’s my point.
Kirsdrake – And a lot of that Soft Yes became Soft No because the Hard No used the simple but effective “Don’t Know, Vote No” messaging. This combined with all the crazy misinformation and half truths made it very easy to sell a No vote.
Meanwhile, the Hard Yes who were running the Yes campaign was accusing anyone with any doubt of being racist and running a feel good campaign that nothing to do with the issues at hand. They had a lot of money but very few clues on what to do with it. For example, Why on earth they held a rap concert in Shepparton on the eve of the referendum was beyond me given the result they got there.
The proposal was so open ended that it was easy to make shit up about it. It needed to have a clear final product in people’s mind, not just a hand wavey sort of idea. And the organisers were told that before hand, but yet did it anyway.
Starmer has made similar comments about Trump too and we share the same tariff rate so don’t know what difference it would make.
@Mavis: Have you seen the things that Vance, Cruz, Rubio etc have said about Trump before knuckling under? I think he quite likes it when people who have attacked him have to come make nice afterwards.
There’s been no indication so far of Trump retaliation against Australia despite the hostility towards Australia of his trade advisors and the lobbying of assholes like Zuckerberg and Musk. We’re doing well, comparatively. If Trump was out to revenge himself om Rudd he would not be subtle about it.
“Rudd described Trump as a “traitor to the West” and the “most destructive president in history.”
Which differs from JD Vance’s past criticism of Trump how?
Besides Vance’s probably being far stronger.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/jd-vance-once-compared-trump-hitler-now-they-are-running-mates-2024-07-15/
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Arkysays:
Tuesday, July 1, 2025 at 12:23 pm
@newy boy – “PHON looks like it’s the parking lot for the grumble vote”
I’m more inclined to guess this is an outlier than a sudden burst for One Nation for no reason. We saw one or two of those sudden bursts from polls in the campaign but they didn’t eventuate on the day. We will have to see if any other polls emerge from hibernation.
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PHON won 3 Senate seats May 2025 election with the help of LNP preferences, 2 at the expense of ALP, and now has 4 seats in upcoming Senate.
BS Fairman, spot on.
I vividly remember trying to warn this was happening, to be told I was just a bedwetter or running psy-ops for the No campaign.
I remember being inundated with loads of No flyers, with detailed warnings of the potential consequences of the Voice and featuring the photographs of Jacinta Price and Warren Mundine, so we know that Indigenous people oppose it too. I already received plenty of those (as well as saw plenty of TV ads) before the Yes campaign had even bothered putting their shoes on.
There were still plenty of dog whistles too. I still remember, at the polling place, there were posters saying “Say No to banning Australia Day”
But that’s in the past now. I’d say there’s a lesson there but, par the course for Australian politics, most have decided to learn the wrong one.
Arky, you make some sound points, but I’m not sure that Vance et al went as far as Rudd did. Further, to the best of my knowledge, Rudd has not been invited to the WH, whereas Hockey regularly played golf with Trump during his first term.
@Ven:
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Arkysays:
Tuesday, July 1, 2025 at 12:23 pm
@newy boy – “PHON looks like it’s the parking lot for the grumble vote”
I’m more inclined to guess this is an outlier than a sudden burst for One Nation for no reason. We saw one or two of those sudden bursts from polls in the campaign but they didn’t eventuate on the day. We will have to see if any other polls emerge from hibernation.
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PHON won 3 Senate seats May 2025 election with the help of LNP preferences, 2 at the expense of ALP, and now has 4 seats in upcoming Senate.”
PHON got 5.67% of the vote in the Senate and 6.4% of the vote in the House of Reps.
There were two polls in April (YouGov and Essential) that credited PHON with a spike above 10% primary vote. These were plainly wrong. Most of the polls (except Morgan) ended up with PHON at 8 or 9% in their final polls. These were still wrong.
PHON winning Senate seats reflects the preference deal with the Libs and the falling away of the Lib primary vote, not the polls being right about a sudden burst of support for them in April.
It’s hilarious that the people that are squealing “muh Albo is not forthright enough about Trump” are the same people saying “muh Albo needs to kowtow to Trump”. What they want is for the ALP to be criticised no matter what option is chosen, as long as it is the bad one that they can criticise. Preferably both. That’s fascism 101; the enemy is both weak and strong.
Jeepers, pick a lane.
@Mavis:
“Arky, you make some sound points, but I’m not sure that Vance et al went as far as Rudd did.”
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/15/jd-vance-donald-trump-comments-00168450
““I’m a ‘Never Trump’ guy,” Vance said in an interview with Charlie Rose in 2016, while publicizing his memoir “Hillbilly Elegy.” “I never liked him.”
“Vance once questioned whether Trump could be “America’s Hitler” in a private Facebook message in 2016 to one of his former roommates.
“Vance, who first became popular as an author, once wrote an op-ed for The New York Times titled “Why Trump’s Antiwar Message Resonates with White America.” “Mr. Trump is unfit for our nation’s highest office,” he wrote in the op-ed
“In a now-deleted tweet weeks before the election, Vance wrote that he would be voting for third-party candidate Evan McMullin, a former CIA officer who ran as an independent.
“I can’t stomach Trump,” Vance said in an interview with NPR, when describing why he would vote for a third-party candidate. “I think that he’s noxious and is leading the white working class to a very dark place.””
What about Rubio….
“”He is a con artist,” Rubio said. “He runs on this idea he is fighting for the little guy, but he has spent his entire career sticking it to the little guy — his entire career.” “”He’s going to Americans that are struggling, that are hurting, and he’s implying, ‘I’m fighting for you because I’m a tough guy,'” Rubio said. “A tough guy? This guy inherited $200 million. He’s never faced any struggle.”
“”You all have friends that are thinking about voting for Donald Trump,” Rubio said. “Friends do not let friends vote for con artists.”
““Donald Trump has been perhaps the most vulgar – no I don’t think perhaps – the most vulgar person to ever aspire to the presidency in terms of how he’s carried out his candidacy,” he told CNN’s Alisyn Camerota on “New Day.””
“Sen. Marco Rubio called Donald Trump a “con man” who was “dangerous” and unqualified to control the nation’s nuclear codes.”
Oh will you look at that. The strangled piffle of an argument imploding.
– SMH
I think she’ll do well, though Navarro could be a sticking point.
Arky:
Tuesday, July 1, 2025 at 1:55 pm
Vance & others were seen by Trump as useful to his presidency, and some of them apologised. Rudd, on the other hand, is not seen in the same way & I don’t think he has expressed regret. I’ll leave it there.
We know that Chump is a serial liar and claimed that the Fordow was “obliterated”.
Apparently satellite observations show that work at Fordow has resumed already.
It was obvious that Chump was bullshitting when it was claimed their bunker busters could penetrate 60 metres. If the site was tunneled into the side of a mountain it would be much deeper than that.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/new-satellite-images-show-work-at-iran-s-fordow-nuclear-site-after-us-bombing/ar-AA1HG2XX?ocid=nl_article_link
I suppose we should be thankful that we have Allan in Victoria and not Minns.
https://www.crikey.com.au/2025/07/01/chris-minns-nsw-gaza-protesters-violent-crime/
“Apparently satellite observations show that work at Fordow has resumed already.”
From my reading they are clearing entrances (which the Iranians actually filled in before the US attack) and probing the impact holes. Apparently some evidence that material was blown out of the entrance tunnels that had been buried (which means an explosion inside the tunnel overpressuring) ……. but its all photo interpretation on the color of dirt. I think what the satellites are showning is pretty much what you would expect if the Iranians want to get in there and see the extent of any damage.
“It was obvious that Chump was bullshitting when it was claimed their bunker busters could penetrate 60 metres. If the site was tunneled into the side of a mountain it would be much deeper than that.”
Hmmm …… not so sure. The link below seems ot make sense to me.
https://www.downtoearth.org.in/environment/rocks-vs-bombs-fordow-natanz-show-how-subsurface-geology-shapes-survivality-of-underground-targets
“The Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant, near Qom, lies buried beneath around 80-90 metres of solid limestone and dolostone, formations typical of the Zagros Mountains. These carbonate rocks, formed over millions of years from compressed marine sediments, are dense, layered and mechanically competent. In geological terms, they are adept at dispersing shockwaves and resisting fracturing.”
And i think it highly unlikely that the centrifuges there would have been running at the time of the attack which means the equipment was, at the time, much less vulnerable to shock damage. I think on what evidence is out there so far, Fordow was NOT obliterated.
@Granny Anny: “We know that Chump is a serial liar and claimed that the Fordow was “obliterated”.
Apparently satellite observations show that work at Fordow has resumed already.
It was obvious that Chump was bullshitting when it was claimed their bunker busters could penetrate 60 metres. If the site was tunneled into the side of a mountain it would be much deeper than that.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/new-satellite-images-show-work-at-iran-s-fordow-nuclear-site-after-us-bombing/ar-AA1HG2XX?ocid=nl_article_link”
I hate Trump as much as the next guy but “Images from Maxar Technologies show construction vehicles including an excavator near one of the shafts at the Fordow nuclear facility which was struck by US bunker buster bombs on 22 June.” is not exactly “work at Fordow has resumed already”.
One expects Iran to try and dig out the collapsed entrances. That’s not exactly centrifuges spinning, uranium enriching, bomb-creating work.
As I said at the time, a lot of people have let their hatred for Trump stretch into blindly backing often conflicting narratives about the Iran bombings (in particular, trying to run both that Iran was not close to nuclear weapons and that the bombings were unjustified, and also that Trump has done insufficient damage to Iran’s nuclear program, as both cannot be true) and this is a classic example. About all the photos linked here prove is that Iran can drive some excavators to a crater yet you’ve leaped from them to a claim Trump was lying. He may have been lying, but not because of this picture.
I remember seeing some ‘Hard No’ rallies in Melbourne. They were very small, maybe a few dozen at most, and all of the posters contained very conspiratorial messages on them
Ven @ #136 Tuesday, July 1st, 2025 – 1:11 pm
“At the expense of the ALP” is a bit misleading. While it is true that two of those elections saw the One Nation candidate beat the ALP for the final spot, in both cases they were denying the ALP a third seat, and both were at the expense of a third Coalition seat. All four PHON Senators hold a spot that would have traditionally been held by a third Coalition Senator. Unlike the case of QLD in 2019, where the PHON Senator was elected at the expense of a second ALP Senator and held a spot in the three that are normally won by Labor/Greens.