The Financial Review reports the final monthly Freshwater Strategy poll for the year (no link as of yet) has voting intention results identical to last time, with the Coalition leading 51-49 from primary votes of Labor 30%, Coalition 40%, Greens 14% and others 16%. Anthony Albanese is at 34% approval and 51% disapproval, up one on both counts, while Peter Dutton is steady on 37% and down one to 40%. Albanese’s lead as preferred prime minister widens from 44-43 to 46-43, but a suite of questions on the leaders’ attributes produces better results for Dutton, including a 44% to 31% lead for being a strong leader. The poll was conducted Friday to Sunday from a sample of 1051.
UPDATE: Presumably paywalled report here. The poll finds 48% expect the Coalition to win the election, 18% in majority and 29% in minority, compared with 39% for Labor, 25% in minority and 14% in majority.
Douglas and Milko says:
Tuesday, December 17, 2024 at 10:57 am
The commentary on Conservatives here is very respectful. It’s obviously the Right that are the culprits of this meanness.
Dutton is not a meany and is renowned for his respectful attitudes, sayings and behaviours.
So I am dubious about some of the sites nominated by Dutton for his nuclear fantasy reactors. Liddell near Muswellbrook (upper Hunter); Earring near the shallow Lake Macquarie (a coastal lagoon).
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I would add Victoria’s Latrobe Valley to that. No major dams in the immediate area. Bushfires have already burnt close to existing coal power stations in the past.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-02/hazelwood-coal-mine-fire-morwell/5711564
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-10-20/police-to-address-bushfire-commission-hearing/1109612
https://www.communitybushfireconnection.com.au/history/1944-fires/
So now we know why Dutton has promised to pull Australia out of the Paris Agreement.
It is because he intends to break it.
lol steve777 and entropy – the geotechnical engineers of PB
In September 2022, 32 out of France’s 56 nuclear reactors were shut down because of water shortages.
Australia is far, far more boom and bust than France.
The modeling would have to include water management over the next three quarters of a century. Did it?
I bet they put water in at zero cost and zero risk.
We already know that water availability (qua run off) is becoming increasingly unpredictable in Australia.
But if global warming is not happening then that is not a problem for Dutton is it?
Dutton’s supporters won’t be alive to apologise to their great grandchildren for being wrong.
Albo and his state/territory Labor leaders won’t be alive to apologise to their great
grandchildren for selling them out to the fossil fuel cartel.
Lars Von Trier says:
Tuesday, December 17, 2024 at 11:40 am
It’s just so strange – if everyone just read this site and took their advice we’d have mega projects being delivered on time and under budget – zero technical difficulties, no issues with land rights, local government approvals or environmental approvals. And full support from all local communities.
I really don’t understand why they aren’t just running the whole country.
Essential confirms that Labor is in the shit.
We need as many Teal independents as possible to win.
Good morning all,
Amid all the noise around the “visionary “ Dutton nuclear future announcement I have found one particular detail in the Frontier costings rather interesting.
My reading of the tea leaves foreshadows a decline in solar energy production resulting , in part, from fewer roof top panels and fewer storage batteries being installed. If my reading of the Frontier costings and analysis is correct surely this must open the door for labor to think big around subsidies for domestic and commercial solar. Dutton would not be able to match any such policy given the reduction in solar over coming years is a big part of his “ my policy is cheaper than yours “ big dick rantings.
Where could Dutton go ? More gas ? Even if he does it would take years to get the required infrastructure in place and labor could argue Australians want relief now not 10 to 20 years.
Labor offers relief now through solar while Dutton offers relief in 10 to 20 years at best and that is on the proviso nuclear gets off the ground.
Labor would need to be careful with any such scheme however and must ensure the implementation is water proof from scammers.
Labor provides the subsidies while states and territories take responsibility for implementation perhaps ?
Anyway, just a thought bubble from a complete novice !
Cheers and a great day to all
The fact people are still talking about the Voice just proves to me how happy Australians are to just kick Aboriginal people. Maybe it lends some credence to Dutton’s racist strategy.
Imagine if we spent all the time that we spent talking about something that didn’t happen, and instead focus it on something that did happen, or should happen.
Yeah, can you let Albo know about this. We’ve only heard him talking about a hit to business and the economy. He’s probably not across the detail of it.
Lars Von Triersays:
Tuesday, December 17, 2024 at 11:40 am
lol steve777 and entropy – the geotechnical engineers of PB
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In what way is a discussion on the bushfire and drought resilience of Dutton’s nuclear follies actually related to geotechnology?
Only last week on this site I was given the expert advice that my house electrical system should have safety devices in it. I was shocked. Who else has these and why didn’t I know about it?
FUBARsays:
Tuesday, December 17, 2024 at 12:05 pm
Only last week on this site I was given the expert advice that my house electrical system should have safety devices in it. I was shocked. Who else has these and why didn’t I know about it?
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I wouldn’t be surprised if you had short fuses.
Entropy says:
Tuesday, December 17, 2024 at 12:17 pm
Who needs fuses when you can just jam a nail across the terminals and not worry about having stuff continually switch off.
How can the posters here know what the types of power plants to be proposed are and the design requirements for them?
Uselessness of Political Polling.
Can anyone explain WTF does this mean..
Q. In general, would you say that Australia is heading in the right direction or is it off on the wrong track?
100% meaningless to the person asking the question & 100% meaningless to the one answering the question..
Is essential asking the way to OODNADATTA?
Edit.. the only ones that appear to see the pointlessness of it is the consistent 20% “unsure”
Douglas and Milko @ #679 Tuesday, December 17th, 2024 – 10:57 am
I increasingly get the impression that many of the posts here are drafts for a speech to the next branch meeting.
It is no surprise that the age of mass political parties in Australia has passed.
Both Labor and Liberal played politics with the Voice. And guess what it failed to get up.
FUBAR
Who needs fuses when you can just jam a nail across the terminals and not worry about having stuff continually switch off.!!!!!!!!
After reading THAT !, everybody should avoid reading your post’s, as you are Dangerous when it comes to advice on ANYTHING !.
D and M from earlier on…..
Thanks for that….
Mea culpa (at times) for myself as, unfortunately, some here lead with their chin and the temptation to lay one on seems appropriate.
This morning was a case in point when one of the more strident of the crew here decided to lace his comments with profanities.
The profanity does not bother me so much as the arrogant mouth-off that the rest of the world agrees with the comment merely because it is articulated.
Occasionally one has to get in the sty in responding and the ordure sticks to both.
FUBAR says:
Tuesday, December 17, 2024 at 12:21 pm
How can the posters here know what the types of power plants to be proposed are and the design requirements for them?
Given the general nonsense proposed I suppose there is no reason why he couldn’t be claiming a fusion reactor is going to be built.
FUBARsays:
Tuesday, December 17, 2024 at 12:21 pm
How can the posters here know what the types of power plants to be proposed are and the design requirements for them?
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How did the costs of Dutton’s nuclear follies get modelled. If you are claiming these specifications are still unknowns?
Boerwar says:
Tuesday, December 17, 2024 at 11:37 am
Dutton is not a meany and is renowned for his respectful attitudes, sayings and behaviours.
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Must be true. On the last day of parliament this year Bill Shorten was seen on TV giving Dutton a hug. Dutton was somewhat startled…….
And Labor has spent much energy consulting with Dutton over many policies. Working with Dutton to pass bills. The NACC is one, with the public only told about corruption in ‘exceptional circumstances’.
As we have heard nothing about politicians corruption over the last 18 months, it seems all sitting MPs are acting honestly.
Steve777 @ #697 Tuesday, December 17th, 2024 – 11:23 am
Steve – what is the difference between the water usage of a nuclear reactor compared to a coal generator? A quick google hasn’t given me the answer. Liddell and Bayswater both use Lake Liddell which was created during their construction as the cooling mechanism.
NB FUBAR is operating from the incorrect assumption that Labor’s plan for our Energy transformation would be subject to frequent blackouts, when it’s actually the Conalition’s concept of a plan that would do this:
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/dutton-s-nuclear-plan-stops-decarbonisation-punishes-consumers-and-hurts-the-economy-20241216-p5kyru.html
“my house electrical system should have safety devices”.
Two things
One of our sons is an electrician and if is only courtesy of this site informing as you say then, quite frankly, I don’t know what universe you exist in
And
“my house”. So is your house worth more today than it was 3 years ago? And if it is explain why you are worse off today than 3 years ago In facts and figures please so not parroting Tory nonsense absent factual analysis
Plus in terms of net worth, have you paid down some of your home mortgage debt over the last 3 years, adding to the net value of your assets?
And if you have no mortgage, you are even better off
So detail such as my house was valued at $.. 3 years ago and is now valued at $..
Then to mortgage debt (if applicable)
Then the same with your superannuation accruals – in actual $.. figures
Get the drift?
Boerwar @ #707 Tuesday, December 17th, 2024 – 11:44 am
Well at least this is an improvement on your concerns about the geo-stability and proneness to tsunami of Muswellbrook
Oakeshott Countrysays:
Tuesday, December 17, 2024 at 12:35 pm
Steve777 @ #697 Tuesday, December 17th, 2024 – 11:23 am
Re Entropy @10:52. You raise a good point.
Nuclear power plants need lots of water for cooling. That’s why they are built next to the sea or major rivers, sometimes lakes.
In Australia, that means by the sea or a coastal estuary. We have no big inland rivers. Away from the tidal zone, all of our rivers are liable to run dry or near dry in a major drought. Even the Hunter is no big deal up-stream from Maitland, prone to flood and drought. Maybe a dam could be built, but that would be subject to the same.
So I am dubious about some of the sites nominated by Dutton for his nuclear fantasy reactors. Liddell near Muswellbrook (upper Hunter); Earring near the shallow Lake Macquarie (a coastal lagoon).
Steve – what is the difference between the water usage of a nuclear reactor compared to a coal generator? A quick google hasn’t given me the answer. Liddell and Bayswater both use Lake Liddell which was created during their construction as the cooling mechanism.
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You can shutdown and completely turnoff a coal fire station if water doesn’t become available. You cannot do this for a nuclear power station. If coolant is not available it goes into meltdown.
A public service announcement:
‘Australia’s hot, thundery weather is tipped to continue through the festive season for most of us this year.
With just over a week until Christmas Day, the Bureau of Meteorology and Accu Weather have given us an early glimpse into what each Australian city can expect.
Despite warnings of storms and rain for most of our major cities, there might also be enough sunny weather to include the odd barbecue and backyard cricket.
Here’s what each Australian capital can expect for Christmas Day and Boxing Day.
Sydney, NSW
Sydneysiders can expect a humid and sunny day on December 25, with some slight cloud cover. Temperatures are expected to reach a comfortable 25 degrees.
There is a slight chance of rain and just a one per cent possibility of thunderstorms in the afternoon.
Boxing Day is forecast to be mostly cloudy and humid, with some rain in the morning after a possible overnight thunderstorm and temperatures rising to 28 degrees..
Melbourne, Victoria
Melbourne’s Christmas should be slightly warmer than Sydney this year, with AccuWeather forecasting a high of 28 degrees.
High cloud cover and a scattered showers will add to the humidity, with rain becoming steadier throughout the day.
Thunderstorms are forecast for Christmas night, followed by a cooler – but still humid – Boxing Day with a top of 23 degrees.
Christmas
The beach will be a great place to cool off, but maybe take an umbrella. Photo: AAP
Brisbane, Queensland
Brisbane will swelter through Christmas Day, with AccuWeather tipping a maximum temperature of 29 degrees that will actually feel like 35 degrees.
The mostly sunny, humid day will likely culminate in a thunderstorm during the afternoon.
Boxing Day will be even hotter, with a clear night giving way to temperatures of 30 degrees.
Perth, Western Australia
Western Australia’s capitol will have a near-perfect Christmas Day, with a clear and sunny 25 degrees.
The fine weather continues into Boxing Day, with a slightly hotter 27 degrees.
Adelaide, South Australia
Adelaide is forecast to be hot and wet this Christmas.
The South Australian capital is forecast to reach a cloudy 29 degrees on December 25 with some showers and a thunderstorm.
After dropping to 16 degrees overnight, Boxing Day will again be cloudy and a slightly cooler 24 degrees.
Hobart, Tasmania
Hobart will be a little cooler than much of the mainland this Christmas, with a top of 21 degrees.
The cloudy day with the chance of some rain will cool down further on Boxing Day, which is predicted to see a top of 18 degrees and afternoon showers.
Canberra, ACT
Our nation’s capital can look forward to a warm day of 28 degrees for Christmas, with some passing cloud and just a small chance of rain.
Despite the temperature dropping to 14 degrees on Christmas night with some rain likely, Boxing day is predicted to be a warmer 29 degrees.
Darwin, Northern Territory
The trend of humidity predictably extends to the far north, with Darwin expecting a hot and wet December 25.
The NT capital should brace for a day of 32 degrees, that will actually feel like to 37 degrees with showers and thunderstorms for the morning and evening.
Boxing Day will be just as muggy, with a thick cloud cover and more storms for the morning.’
https://www.thenewdaily.com.au/news/weather/2024/12/16/christmas-2024-weather
Entropy @ #732 Tuesday, December 17th, 2024 – 12:47 pm
Don’t you insert the control rods? ( Admittedly Soviet era clowns in a soviet era reactor falling to do this properly was the cause of Chernobyl)
Ansto gives some interesting data on how inserting the rods can be done at Lucas Heights.
https://www.ansto.gov.au/news/shutting-down-a-nuclear-reactor-a-slow-and-methodical-process-a-closer-look#:~:text=During%20a%20controlled%20shutdown%2C%20a,within%20two%20and%20300%20milliseconds.
Peter C @ #729 Tuesday, December 17th, 2024 – 12:39 pm
Don’t hold your breath. FUBAR just parrots Liberal lines.
As long as that wet weather leaves Melbourne by Boxing Day.
1934 Pcsays:
Tuesday, December 17, 2024 at 12:27 pm
The fact that you think that was what I would actually do is an indicator of a lack of ability to interpret what you are reading.
You probably think Trump recommended people drink bleach and that the LNP want to destroy Medicare.
Oakeshott Countrysays:
Tuesday, December 17, 2024 at 12:56 pm
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You can shutdown a nuclear reactor to some degree. For power producing ones you still need coolant. Obviously not as much as when operating though. For tiny medical reactors possibly you can get them completely shutdown without much coolant at all required. Dutton’s follies aren’t going to be tiny nuclear medicine reactors though.
That Trump is scum should be common knowledge.
There is an interesting report today that reinforces that. Trump claimed that he should have presidential immunity in the case where he paid a porn star to keep her mouth shut. In other words, he claimed that as POTUS he should be allowed to be involved in the most disgusting form of infidelity and get away with it.
The Judge said no. He will now be on the list of enemies to be dealt with.
FUBAR
Who needs fuses when you can just jam a nail across the terminals and not worry about having stuff continually switch off.
And this guy thinks nuclear power is safe.
OC
Never been concerned about a tsunami.
There is an assumption that current earthquake activity is a predictor of future earthquake activity.
False, IMO.
We already know that global warming has an actual impact on earthquake patterns. The true extent of the impact on, say, huge changes in ice mass and a 7 m sea level rise are rather unpredictable.
But I am sure that Dutton and O’Brien have that risk in hand.
https://science.nasa.gov/earth/climate-change/can-climate-affect-earthquakes-or-are-the-connections-shaky/
Bobby Jr. shares his secret to getting brain worm.
Fubar is correct he didn’t suggest you should drink bleach. His words below are clearly suggesting that injecting it may be the way to go. Nobody got Covid after they were dead. Which would certainly be the likely outcome of injecting it.
“And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs,”
These are actual facts about Dutton’s plan, if you take him seriously that is:
‘Under any scenario contemplated, Australia will be more dependent on coal-fired power stations for longer. The CSIRO says the best case for delivery of a single new nuclear facility in Australia is 15 years. And that assumes the legislative, regulatory, workforce and other issues can be resolved – and the cost blowouts and time delays witnessed overseas aren’t repeated.
Yet to replace all of Australia’s confirmed retiring generation capacity with nuclear as a zero-emission alternative would require deploying at least 15 to 17 large-scale nuclear facilities, or more than 50 proposed small modular reactors, by 2040. In the meantime, Australia will need to depend on coal-fired power that is increasingly unreliable and the cause of price spikes and blackouts. It would be strange to subsidise the ongoing operation of plants that can’t be guaranteed to actually keep the lights on.’
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/dutton-s-nuclear-plan-stops-decarbonisation-punishes-consumers-and-hurts-the-economy-20241216-p5kyru.html
Interesting tech…
Nation’s largest ironmaking electric smelting furnace set for WA
Western Australia will be home to the nation’s largest ironmaking electric smelting furnace, with the NeoSmelt consortium today announcing Kwinana as the preferred location for its pilot plant – backed by a major Cook Labor Government investment.
Kwinana to be home to Australia’s largest ironmaking electric smelting furnace
NeoSmelt project to test turning Pilbara iron ore into near-zero emission iron
WA at the cutting edge of global efforts to decarbonise steel-making, creating the jobs of the future and setting up the State’s economy for the long-term
Cook Labor Government to invest $75 million to support the pilot facility, in partnership with BlueScope, BHP, Rio Tinto and Woodside.
Press release.
I wonder whether there are Trump voters who imagined that Trump & Co would even vaguely consider inflicting a mass generational tooth rotting event and/or a mass polio event as being good for you?
What is the relationship between tricking turkeys and getting their vote?
BTW, forget mainlining bleach. The neddy juice is the way to go. It probably works on polio as well.
‘pied piper says:
Tuesday, December 17, 2024 at 1:17 pm
Interesting tech…
Nation’s largest ironmaking electric smelting furnace set for WA
Western Australia will be home to the nation’s largest ironmaking electric smelting furnace, with the NeoSmelt consortium today announcing Kwinana as the preferred location for its pilot plant – backed by a major Cook Labor Government investment.
Kwinana to be home to Australia’s largest ironmaking electric smelting furnace
NeoSmelt project to test turning Pilbara iron ore into near-zero emission iron
WA at the cutting edge of global efforts to decarbonise steel-making, creating the jobs of the future and setting up the State’s economy for the long-term
Cook Labor Government to invest $75 million to support the pilot facility, in partnership with BlueScope, BHP, Rio Tinto and Woodside.
Press release.’
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Dutton will soon put a stop to that.
I suppose it would be good for iron lung manufacturers.
https://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/objects-and-stories/medicine/iron-lung
Read the report – it is publicly available.
https://www.frontier-economics.com.au/economic-analysis-of-including-nuclear-power-in-the-nem/
Socrates has made mincemeat of that Report.
It is worse than the carparks scandal. After all at least 2 out of the 64 promised Coalition car parks were eventually finished. I don’t know what happened to the money for the other 62 car parks.
The usual thing if you want to grow an economy is that you increase the energy it uses.
Dutton is going to halve our projected energy use.
How do we know that?
Because it is explicit in the Report.