As Newspoll off-weeks go, a big week for polling, with three further federal voting intention results following upon Freshwater Strategy:
• The fortnightly Essential Research poll has Labor down a point to 30%, the Coalition up one to 35%, the Greens up one to 13% and One Nation down two to 7%, with undecided steady at 5%. The pollster’s 2PP+ measure has Labor moving into a 48-47 lead, after trailing 49-47 last time. Also featured are the pollster’s monthly leadership ratings, which have Anthony Albanese down a point on approval to 43% and steady on 48% disapproval, while Peter Dutton is down three to 42% and up two to 41%. A regular “national mood” question reports an improved result off a low base, with a five-point increase in the sentiment that the country is heading in the right direction to 35%, and a four-point decrease for wrong track to 48%. A forced response question on the cause of hotter temperatures records only a 52-48 break in favour of climate change over normal fluctuations, although only 19% rate that Australia is doing too much to address the problem, compared with 33% for not enough and 37% for about right. The poll also finds only mildly negative views on the Trump administration’s likely impact on the global economy and global conflicts, and records 28% favouring Labor’s proposed 20% HECS debt cut over 36% for no change and 36% for abolishing student debt altogether. The poll was conducted Wednesday to Monday from a sample of 1206.
• RedBridge Group has a federal poll recording a tie on two-party preferred, from primary votes of Labor 34%, Coalition 39% and Greens 11%. Further findings from the poll include 54% approval of how Australian federal and state governments handled the COVID pandemic, with 42% disapproval; 53% awareness that the federal government rejected Qatar Airways’ application to increase flights to Australia, with 39% unaware; and 61% perceiving the government gave Qantas preferential treatment in the matter, with 11% disagreeing. The poll was conducted November 6 to 13 from a sample of 2011.
• Both the RedBridge Group poll and last week’s Resolve Strategic poll had questions on perceptions of the Greens. Resolve Strategic found the party was viewed positively by 24%, negatively by 44% and neutrally by 29%, while Adam Bandt was viewed positively by 10%, neutrally by 26% and negatively by 26%, with 38% unfamiliar. With six propositions to choose from, 38% of RedBridge’s respondents favoured clearly negative propositions against 29% for clearly positive, while 14% opted a broadly neutral “party of protest and disruption”.
• The weekly Roy Morgan poll has the Coalition’s two-party lead out from 50.5-49.5 to 51-49, from primary votes of Labor 29% (down one-and-a-half), Coalition 39% (up one-and-a-half), Greens 13.5% (up one) and One Nation 6.5% (steady). The two-party measure based on preference flows at the 2022 election is at 50-50, after Labor led 51-49 last week. The poll was conducted last Monday to Sunday from a sample of 1675. Roy Morgan also has a forced response SMS poll, conducted during the royal visit on October 22 and 23 from a sample of 1312, recording a 61-39 split in favour of keeping the existing Australian flag.
• Also out this week was the regular quarterly Tasmanian state poll from EMRS, showing the Liberals’ lead at its narrowest in many a long year, with Labor up four to 31%, Liberal down one to 35%, the Greens steady on 14% and the Jacqui Lambie Network down two to 6%. Jeremy Rockliff’s lead over Dean Winter as preferred premier narrows from 45-30 to 43-37. Also featured are new questions inviting respondents to rate the leaders on a scale from zero to ten, recording 37% favourable, 36% neutral and 22% unfavourable for Rockliff, and 25% favourable, 38% neutral and 11% unfavourable for Winter. The poll was conducted November 5 to 14 from a sample of 1000.
The Palestinians can end the war in Gaza right now. Immediately. They choose not to.
Marjorie has threatened to expose all sorts of sex scandals if the Gaetz Report is fed to the public.
Public blackmail is acceptable or even, in FUBAR’s terms, winning the argument on its merits!
Trump.Gina.Dutton.
Join the dots.
Polite discourse by opponents of the Voice resulted in them, including me, being called racists.
The East Coast fires were unprecedented in serveral significant ways.
They illustrate what happens when you add massive amounts of energy to a system.
Not hard.
Except for FUBAR.
‘FUBAR says:
Thursday, November 21, 2024 at 8:58 am
Boerwar says:
Thursday, November 21, 2024 at 8:48 am
I was referring to racist hate speech, not polite discourse on the merits of various policies
Polite discourse by opponents of the Voice resulted in them, including me, being called racists.’
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I see that you are dodging your personal experience of race hate speech except to extol your own polite discourse. There was a deluge of race hatred during the Voice.
FUBARsays:
Thursday, November 21, 2024 at 8:58 am
Boerwar says:
Thursday, November 21, 2024 at 8:48 am
I was referring to racist hate speech, not polite discourse on the merits of various policies
Polite discourse by opponents of the Voice resulted in them, including me, being called racists.
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Didn’t opponents of the Voice label it as racist, and therefore proponents of the Voice as racists?
Its worth reading this history of Hamas and truce offers Israel has rejected over the past thirty years. Hamas offered to recognise Israel as part of a two state solution while Dubbya Bush was POTUS. All to no avail.
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2024/1/22/how-israel-has-repeatedly-rejected-hamas-truce-offers
I agree the current Hamas leadership are extremistst, but they are largely the creation of Israeli policy IMO. It suited Israel to have extremists in charge. That is why they had previously assassinated the moderate leaders.
A lot of commentary from journalists and pundits seems, to me, to be losing the forest for the trees with the more controversial of Trump’s proposed appointments. The goal primarily seems to be appointing people who are (often openly) hostile to the very institutions that they will be running, with a view to breaking down the administrative (‘deep’) state and fundamentally reshaping the Federal Government. It’s totally out of the Steve Bannon playbook. It didn’t work first time around, but I think Trump’s team will have learned the lessons from the first term.
I have a feeling we’re about to enter a very interesting, and potentially quite consequential, period in American and world history.
Are you not a racist FUBAR? Do you believe there are different races of humans?
How much does it hurt to be called racist? Can you quantify it or put a price on it? Does it damage your psyche your pride, to be called racist?
FUBAR has got his knickers in quite a knot this morning.
I love this comment!
BG
I used to think Elon Musk was this generation’s Howard Hughes: an eccentric titan of industry and innovator. Now I think he’s this generation’s Henry Ford: a dangerous titan of industry and innovator.
Boerwar says:
Thursday, November 21, 2024 at 8:59 am
It’s called having a naturally occurring multi-year drought (not at all uncommon), extremely poor fuel load management, the ongoing expansion of human development throughout rural and regional areas and a resulting fire. Who saw that coming?
There have been similar sized fires in Australia in the past. Because Australia was significantly less sparsely populated and we didn’t have the same media we have today, the events do not have the same catastrophisation.
pied pipersays:
Thursday, November 21, 2024 at 8:53 am
Rant time.
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Rant time.
Can you please actually proof-read what you type before you hit the “Post Comment” button?
It would be nice if your commentary was actually readable, had links (not news ltd) and data supporting all the claims that you like to post and maybe for once in your life, you could actually try being factual…
dave @ #56 Thursday, November 21st, 2024 – 9:00 am
White Victimhood writ large. It’s the latest craze.
Nvidia profit out “ the age of AI is here”says founder.Buy and hold.
We need an AI agent on here!
Gobble gobble gobble the expression of a turkey!
Err there is no objective truth!
‘Stinker says:
Thursday, November 21, 2024 at 9:01 am
A lot of commentary from journalists and pundits seems, to me, to be losing the forest for the trees with the more controversial of Trump’s proposed appointments.
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Exactly. Most of them are highly qualified, well-experienced and people of complete integrity. Here is the forest:
Mad Dawg Noem
Wright Stuff Climate Denier
Musky Musk
No Palestinians Huckabee
Lying Job Applicator McMahon
Dead Brain Worm RFK
Dirty Hands Hegseth
The Pussy Grabber in Chief
Cleanskin Gaetz
Hannibal Lecter
Russki Gabbard
Fox Blanche
Gabble, gabble, gabble…
Trump, Dutton, Bandt
the turkeys, the turkeys, the turkeys
Gobble Gobble Gobble
‘FUBAR says:
Thursday, November 21, 2024 at 9:05 am
Boerwar says:
Thursday, November 21, 2024 at 8:59 am
It’s called having a naturally occurring multi-year drought (not at all uncommon), extremely poor fuel load management, the ongoing expansion of human development throughout rural and regional areas and a resulting fire. Who saw that coming?
There have been similar sized fires in Australia in the past. Because Australia was significantly less sparsely populated and we didn’t have the same media we have today, the events do not have the same catastrophisation.’
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The fires were unprecedented in so many ways.
Although they were unprecedented in so many ways, they are were not unique.
How could that be?
There is a global wave of unprecedented mega fires including in huge areas of largely untouched eurasian and north american forest areas.
Yes, a global wave of unprecedented fires in all sorts of different circumstances.
These mega fires are an illustration of what happens when you add massive amounts of energy to a system.
It is not hard.
“Are you not a racist FUBAR? Do you believe there are different races of humans?”
All your needling of people who don’t share the same sanctimonious and self-righteous political bent as you won’t prevent Dutton from becoming prime minister next year. To which socialist paradise wilt ye now flee to? Saigon (sorry, Ho Chi Minh City)? Peking? Pyongyang?
Nobody cares if you’re triggered by imaginary people calling you racist.
I just don’t see how that’s of more or equal importance than the substance of the voice
I’m not needling Scromo? Just trying to understand what happens in right wing thinking.
And I am not leaving. Been here longer than Pauline Hanson. She’s crying about her country. She should leave and you too.
Go to the US.
One of the interesting things for any migrant is to compare and contrast the auld country with the new one. This sort of exercise is always on-balance and the balance changes over time.
I prefer my new one very, very much.
That does not stop me envying certain aspects, but only certain aspects, of the old one.
The Dutch build the single most expensive machine tool in the world.
It builds semi conductors.
$300 million a pop.
I would dearly love Australia to be doing that sort of thing.
Some of the peeps in my little home village got together. They built a locomotive. It is being exported to, I believe, Argentina. Another peep started a shipping line along with a large impex company. Another bunch got together and are global seed growers and exporters.
I would dearly love Australia to be doing more of that sort of thing.
To the idiots like FUBAR and pied piper and the rest of the Cooker Class who don’t believe in verifiable facts such as the fact that Climate Change is real, we see you:
Cajun Virologist:
During the pandemic, I would frequently get emailed articles found on the internet for me to debunk or to explain why they were wrong. It would normally take me an hour or so to thoroughly critique the article. I would then soon get another from the same person for me to debunk.
This was all under the guise of just asking questions.
I soon started saying no which was meant with disbelief. If these articles aren’t accurate, then why do you not want to debunk them?!?
My response: Three reasons
1. It takes me a while to read the article, digest it, then scientifically tell you why it is wrong. These articles take the writer probably a lot less time to write because they don’t need to worry about accuracy. I knew if anything I said wasn’t rock solid, 100% correct all the time without exceptions…this would be taken as I must not know what I’m talking about.
2. I had known this person for 40 years and I mistakenly trusted that he was asking in good faith. After the second article, I realized he wasn’t. He never responded with “ok, I see what you are saying” or “ok, that is clearly wrong”. I would simply get an ok, now what about this one. There was no ground ceded ever, no matter how thoroughly I debunked a claim. It got to the point where they would say that they didn’t believe the experiments done because they didn’t know the person but if I did the experiment, they might believe it.
3. There were some times when the person writing the article knew so little about the topic that the words were utterly nonsense. It was just a bunch of technical sounding words strung together. This was meant with…well maybe they know more than you do on this topic. A topic that I spent 10 years in school to learn and another 10 years being trained on how to think about these topics. Enough to come up with original questions to ask when running my own lab.
tripitaka @ #73 Thursday, November 21st, 2024 – 9:20 am
Pauline Hanson is a Crisis Actor.
ScromoII @ #70 Thursday, November 21st, 2024 – 9:15 am
Don’t forget where you promised to go if Labor wins again. To the Promised La La Land of Trumpistan. 😀
C@tmomma:
Definitely. I know a business (retail pharmacy) has to make money, but as a pharmacist who is trained in the scientific method and evidence based practice, how can you be comfortable selling such bogus remedies? Just as AHPRA gives unwarranted credibility to chiropractors, osteopaths and traditional Chinese medicine practitioners by registering them alongside more-credible health professions.
See what I mean?
Err there is no objective truth!
Captain Cooked.
Brain scan of this guy.
Political Nightwatchman @ #33 Thursday, November 21st, 2024 – 8:34 am
Does anyone even listen to or take this woman seriously any more? You know what her modus operandi is and why she’s doing it. The words, ‘objective commentator’ will never spring forth from any objective commentator about her. She’s a RW parrot. Peta want a cracker?
davesays:
Thursday, November 21, 2024 at 8:52 am
[Old foodbar is in a mood this morning. Pulling up someone for a bit of hyperbole, picking up on the slightest errors and opposing any moves to shit down debate.]
The bain-marie is overflowing with hot steaming dishes,in assorted pots and pans ready to served as is, to an assortment of takers with no correspondence entered into.
“shud up mate”
“I run the kitchen ‘ear”
“And I am not leaving. Been here longer than Pauline Hanson. She’s crying about her country. She should leave and you too.
Go to the US.”
Indeed I am. But because I choose to, not because you told me to. If, on the single-digit-percentage-chance, Albanese somehow gets re-elected, I’m moving to Las Vegas for a minimum of three years to play poker. I’ve accumulated ample capital and assets to feel perfectly happy in the US. I will still vote in Australian elections.
But Albanese will never be re-elected so all of this is a moot point.
I share more with Flanagan more than just memories of a war-damaged Burma Railroad POW father…
Here is one for P1 and the rest of youse as well…
‘I fly, I drive. We’re all complicit’: Richard Flanagan on vanishing species and refusing the Baillie Gifford prize money
The Australian’s book about his parents’ love and his father’s horrific experience of Burma’s Death Railway won the illustrious nonfiction award. Here he talks about finding beauty and hope in the age of extinction and despair…
From The Guardian.
dave says:
Thursday, November 21, 2024 at 9:00 am
Segregation of people’s rights by race is racism. That includes giving one race Constitutional rights that the rest of Australian citizens don’t have.
Hmmmm, who to believe? A hopelessly politically biased commentator stubbornly holding on to his anti climate change BS lest he have to swallow some pride and recognise his beloved political party was WRONG….. or the President of the Academy of Science?
https://www.science.org.au/news-and-events/news-and-media-releases/australian-bushfires-why-they-are-unprecedented
And the RFS…
“this season was unprecedented in its intensity and scale”.
https://www.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/noindex/2023-06/Final-Report-of-the-NSW-Bushfire-Inquiry.pdf
But no, you keep banging on against climate change mitigation, I dont think your credibility has any further to sink.
FUBAR’s essential problem with the race hate discussion is his lived experience of race hate.
Dave,
[Didn’t opponents of the Voice label it as racist, and therefore proponents of the Voice as racists?]
That dissects the “voice” wonderfully.
Yes Richard Flanagan, a really admirable Australian who will stay here and continue to contribute to our progress.
Compare and contrast this man’s integrity and character with any of the right wing loons who pontificate and criticise any attempt to make this country not like the USA.
FUBAR is that the only definition of racism that you understand?
Seems a bit simple minded.
My understanding is Humans have part Neanderthal in em.
Labor luvvies being examined by scientists shock finding 95% Neanderthal.
Haters gonna hate going back to someone’s childhood and said they were covered in Acne classy!
Err Governments let major food companies as RFK pointed out poison their citizens so no surprise a con industry in Chemists thrives via dud Vitamins etc etc.
FUBAR’s pals have a solution for the unprecedented bushfire problem:
$600 billion for reactors on sites where no-one much wants them
zero regulatory framework
a supporting infrastructure that would have to be built from scratch
adding $1200 to the average household power bill
delivering just 4% of national energy
silence on the other 96% except that Nats want to cap renewables investment
delivering the Plan a quarter of a century down the track.
assuming that they will be built on time. They are notoriously for being late.
assuming that they will be built to budget. They are notorious for over runs.
A crock of delusions aimed squarely at turkeys.
Ted should do Dutton a favour and stay in bed. Except that Dutton is leading on this.
FUBARsays:
Thursday, November 21, 2024 at 9:34 am
dave says:
Thursday, November 21, 2024 at 9:00 am
[Segregation of people’s rights by race is racism. That includes giving one race Constitutional rights that the rest of Australian citizens don’t have.]
That’s what the first Australians said to Governor Phillip and Captain Cook.
How did that turn out?
FUBARsays:
Thursday, November 21, 2024 at 9:34 am
dave says:
Thursday, November 21, 2024 at 9:00 am
Segregation of people’s rights by race is racism. That includes giving one race Constitutional rights that the rest of Australian citizens don’t have.
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A pretty shitty argument considering that indigenous people have been denied many rights for centuries. But you’ve got to cling on to something I suppose.
My main concern now is why doesn’t the Albanese government legislate for an Indigenous Representative Body? What is stopping them?
Probably political cowardice.
Team Katich @ #85 Thursday, November 21st, 2024 – 9:35 am
I think I hear Jo Nova calling FUBAR back to base for further instruction. 😐
Dave
[My main concern now is why doesn’t the Albanese government legislate for an Indigenous Representative Body? What is stopping them?
Probably political cowardice]
Perhaps the young fellas who throw rocks at FUBAR’s car should throw a few your way for that lousy attempted sucker punch.
gollsays:
Thursday, November 21, 2024 at 9:54 am
Dave
[My main concern now is why doesn’t the Albanese government legislate for an Indigenous Representative Body? What is stopping them?
Probably political cowardice]
Perhaps the young fellas who throw rocks at FUBAR’s car should throw a few your way for that lousy attempted sucker punch.
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So you don’t think indigenous Australians should have a representative body?
Yet you did when the Voice was argued for.
Indigenous people are NOT a different race. We are all humans.
It is racism to say that they are a race apart.
They had a culture that was trashed by european culture and the wrong belief that are a different race. Because of this, some of us think that special treatment is needed to make things fair and so they can be a valuable and admired part of a culture we can build together.
From last thread …
Centre @ #1053 Wednesday, November 20th, 2024 – 9:54 pm
I don’t know much about Plibersek’s political convictions, but it could be because she knows she would be overruled anyway if she did not. Perhaps she really thinks she can make a positive contribution in other areas.
Of course, I could be completely wrong, and she could actually be as spineless and mendacious as her colleagues.
Boerwar @ #83 Thursday, November 21st, 2024 – 9:34 am
A little bit of self reflection would do you the world of good.
I make a habit of not reading Peta Credlin’s articles and see no reason to break that run with her latest rant about the Whitlam government.
Next May marks the three year anniversary of the ousting of the Morrison government in May 2022. It would be nice to think the occasion might be marked by at least somebody who was part of it having been held accountable for the multiple instances of illegal conduct that have since been uncovered in its operation.
Have a good day all.
One culture mainstream Australian culture.
Ya know it makes sense labor luvvies!