As Newspoll off-weeks go, a big week for polling, with three further federal voting intention results following upon Freshwater Strategy:
• The fortnightly Essential Research poll has Labor down a point to 30%, the Coalition up one to 35%, the Greens up one to 13% and One Nation down two to 7%, with undecided steady at 5%. The pollster’s 2PP+ measure has Labor moving into a 48-47 lead, after trailing 49-47 last time. Also featured are the pollster’s monthly leadership ratings, which have Anthony Albanese down a point on approval to 43% and steady on 48% disapproval, while Peter Dutton is down three to 42% and up two to 41%. A regular “national mood” question reports an improved result off a low base, with a five-point increase in the sentiment that the country is heading in the right direction to 35%, and a four-point decrease for wrong track to 48%. A forced response question on the cause of hotter temperatures records only a 52-48 break in favour of climate change over normal fluctuations, although only 19% rate that Australia is doing too much to address the problem, compared with 33% for not enough and 37% for about right. The poll also finds only mildly negative views on the Trump administration’s likely impact on the global economy and global conflicts, and records 28% favouring Labor’s proposed 20% HECS debt cut over 36% for no change and 36% for abolishing student debt altogether. The poll was conducted Wednesday to Monday from a sample of 1206.
• RedBridge Group has a federal poll recording a tie on two-party preferred, from primary votes of Labor 34%, Coalition 39% and Greens 11%. Further findings from the poll include 54% approval of how Australian federal and state governments handled the COVID pandemic, with 42% disapproval; 53% awareness that the federal government rejected Qatar Airways’ application to increase flights to Australia, with 39% unaware; and 61% perceiving the government gave Qantas preferential treatment in the matter, with 11% disagreeing. The poll was conducted November 6 to 13 from a sample of 2011.
• Both the RedBridge Group poll and last week’s Resolve Strategic poll had questions on perceptions of the Greens. Resolve Strategic found the party was viewed positively by 24%, negatively by 44% and neutrally by 29%, while Adam Bandt was viewed positively by 10%, neutrally by 26% and negatively by 26%, with 38% unfamiliar. With six propositions to choose from, 38% of RedBridge’s respondents favoured clearly negative propositions against 29% for clearly positive, while 14% opted a broadly neutral “party of protest and disruption”.
• The weekly Roy Morgan poll has the Coalition’s two-party lead out from 50.5-49.5 to 51-49, from primary votes of Labor 29% (down one-and-a-half), Coalition 39% (up one-and-a-half), Greens 13.5% (up one) and One Nation 6.5% (steady). The two-party measure based on preference flows at the 2022 election is at 50-50, after Labor led 51-49 last week. The poll was conducted last Monday to Sunday from a sample of 1675. Roy Morgan also has a forced response SMS poll, conducted during the royal visit on October 22 and 23 from a sample of 1312, recording a 61-39 split in favour of keeping the existing Australian flag.
• Also out this week was the regular quarterly Tasmanian state poll from EMRS, showing the Liberals’ lead at its narrowest in many a long year, with Labor up four to 31%, Liberal down one to 35%, the Greens steady on 14% and the Jacqui Lambie Network down two to 6%. Jeremy Rockliff’s lead over Dean Winter as preferred premier narrows from 45-30 to 43-37. Also featured are new questions inviting respondents to rate the leaders on a scale from zero to ten, recording 37% favourable, 36% neutral and 22% unfavourable for Rockliff, and 25% favourable, 38% neutral and 11% unfavourable for Winter. The poll was conducted November 5 to 14 from a sample of 1000.
Greens and Bandt clearly on the nose. Wait until a broader proportion of the public start thinking about the likelihood of ALP minority government relying on support from the Greens. I’d imagine this is going to be central to the Coalition messaging over the next few months.
As I have said for years. Coal when end when demand ends.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwQ8jL0i10M
The Wombat @ #1 Thursday, November 21st, 2024 – 5:31 am
Or they could realise that Labor needs to be in a majority again. Just a thought. 😐
Bandt, the 3rd most hated politician in the country is now Mr 10%
Tasmania is moving to state based planning, taking this power of the LGAs.
There has been such inconsistency in what gets passed across the state that growth has been stifled, particularly in Hobart where there is an aligned block of votes (mostly Greens) who stop major developments within the capital city. When one of their pet projects comes up for approval they other block of votes pulls enough together to block those too.
theres a ban on buildings over 14 stories high in the capital, to be fair probably what has kept Hobart’s existing skyline in tact, not necessarily a bad thing. Someone mentioned professional planners, mostly architects, who have set views on what’s appropriate. I’m aware of plans to uplift inner city pubs, but due to their art Deco frontage never get planning permission to proceed.yes it’s important to protect the sandstone heritage of Hobart, but other than houses nothing new gets built.
The Wombat says:
Thursday, November 21, 2024 at 5:31 am
Greens and Bandt clearly on the nose. Wait until a broader proportion of the public start thinking about the likelihood of ALP minority government relying on support from the Greens. I’d imagine this is going to be central to the Coalition messaging over the next few months.
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The federal lib/nats have been voting with the greens , the voter would know the federal lib/nats would accept the greens vote also to be a minority government
The federal lib/nats and propaganda media units would be making it backfired own political goal on the federal lib/nats
This is a brilliant piece of extemporising and something I have been musing on also as I consider the rise of the Conspiracy Theorist Cooker Class:
2. Full Joker
One of the downstream consequences of Robert Kennedy’s appointment to head the Department of Health and Human Services is that vaccination rates in America will plummet.
Please understand that Kennedy is not a vaccine “skeptic.” He is opposed to all vaccines and claims that no vaccine is “safe.”
RFK’s formal merger with Trumpism will have the effect of making his view of vaccines a de rigueur tenet of MAGA politics. People who pledge fealty to Trumpism will discover that in addition to being required to believe that Trump won the 2020 election they are also required to oppose vaccinations of all types.
That’s coming. There’s no avoiding it.
And as sure as day follows night we will see the large-scale reappearance of preventable diseases such as measles and polio. Children will die.
But just like the alliance question above, there’s a silver lining here. Because the politicization of vaccines removes any ambiguity about the current character of American society.
Human history is not an unbroken line of progress. From time to time societies choose to disfigure themselves. A kind of civilizational self-mutilation.
The First World War is the most obvious example. The Iranian revolution is a more recent one; the French Revolution is probably the most famous.
When these paroxysms of self-hatred manifest they are usually the result of hardship or repression. Here was Dickens trying to explain both the horror and the inevitability of the French Revolution:
The French aristocracy was so decadent and the state of les miserable so pitiable, that Dickens believed the Revolution could not have been avoided. French society mutilated itself because French society had already become disfigured and vile.
In America today we have quite the opposite proposition.
The mainstream opposition to vaccines has arisen not because of some medical catastrophe or failure, but in response to a scientific miracle.
The development of the COVID vaccine was a triumph of science, engineering, and a particularly American approach to problem solving. In under a year the pharmaceutical industry—working in concert with the federal government—developed, tested, and manufactured at scale a vaccine that was safe and effective in protecting people from a novel virus.
This isn’t the moon shot, but it’s in the same ballpark.
Sit with that for a minute. America is about to go backwards on public health with large swaths of the country rejecting vaccines not in reaction to a failure of a vaccine, but in response to one of the greatest successes in vaccination of the last 50 years.
It is the success of vaccines which is motivating some large percentage of the country to self-harm and societal mutilation by rejecting vaccines.
I cannot come up with a historical parallel. Perhaps you can.
I do not know how to describe the backlash to vaccines as anything other than decadence. We have a populace which has been insulated from hardship, habituated to scientific advancement and medical triumphs.
Three decades ago the MRI was a miracle and you could count the number of MRI machines in a major American city on one hand.
Today every strip-center imaging office in the country has two of them.
When I was in grade school the CABG—commonly known as a heart-bypass operation—was a terrifying procedure done sparingly because of the high risks. Today, 400,000 CABGs are done in the U.S. per year. The overall success rate is north of 98 percent. People who have their chests cracked open and their arteries rewired are out of the hospital in a week and mostly recovered in six weeks.
There are hundreds of stories like this from recent the history of medical advancement. It is normal for a society to take such advances for granted. That’s not the problem.
The problem is that this wave of advances has made people believe that they can play-act with science and medicine as part of their political self-actualization—and be immune from consequences.
It’s good to know this about America. It’s good to understand the true nature of our society.
Or maybe “good” is the wrong word.
So let’s say that it’s useful.
Because you cannot come up with adequate responses to self-mutilation until you understand what’s causing it.
(The Bulwark)
My own thoughts on the matter are that we have become a society so decadent that we think we are gods and can impose our will and cockamamie beliefs on Mother Nature (now there’s 2 words you don’t hear people talk about a lot these days, Mother Nature; too much about ‘God’, whichever one you believe in, nada about our Earth Mother). Too many of us Believe we are channelling ‘God’, or we believe in tin pot gods on the internet and in politics.
What we don’t believe in so much any more is Science. Because…I did my research on the internet. Or sum guy on YouTube with a video channel says the things I want to hear. And so it goes in ever-decreasing circles in your brain until all the brain cells dribble out your ear and desert you for warmer and more hospitable climes, until all you’re left with is this where millions of interconnected neurones used to be:
Resolve Strategic found the party was viewed positively by 24%, negatively by 44% and neutrally by 29%, while Adam Bandt was viewed positively by 10%, neutrally by 26% and negatively by 26%, with 38% unfamiliar.
10%? Is it too late for the Greens to dump Bandt before the election?
I still think Melbourne is the seat to watch for a boil over, if there is going to be a seat where it is unexpected to change
sprocket_ says:
Thursday, November 21, 2024 at 6:53 am
Resolve Strategic found the party was viewed positively by 24%, negatively by 44% and neutrally by 29%, while Adam Bandt was viewed positively by 10%, neutrally by 26% and negatively by 26%, with 38% unfamiliar.
10%? Is it too late for the Greens to dump Bandt before the election?
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I am surprising myself by providing a counterpoint here, but it isn’t that bad fewer people negative towards Bandt than the party. That large lack of familiarity is throwing the percentages out.
The Rupertariat makes its thoughts known.
C@tmomma says:
Thursday, November 21, 2024 at 6:51 am
I have been musing on signal vs noise and have been having conversations on this at home. At present I have landed on a position that we have reached a point in current civilisation where the majority have a lack of knowledge regarding science. Vaccination as you mentioned. But there are other public health measures. Flouride for instance. They need to rely on belief, influenced by societal leaders and high priests of science. As such, counter-beliefs are able to be formed, influenced by alternative social agents.
And so it goes.
The German election is hotting up with one candidate being specific about an issue Sholz is dodging:
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Griff,
The Wellness Industry shoulders a lot of the blame. So do Pharmacies. Putting all those junk science, unproven vitamins and supplements into shops gave them a veneer of credibility with the poorly educated public.
The ‘worst’ place I ever worked in was one which made and sold Bach Flower Remedies. I felt almost criminal selling them to people. I assuaged my guilt feelings by thinking, well there’s the Placebo Effect.
Good morning Dawn Patrollers
Natassia Chrysanthos and Paul Sakkal tell us that Coalition frontbencher Sarah Henderson headlined an event for migration agents and private colleges and launched a new brand for a Liberal Party member who helps international students extend stays in Australia just a month before tanking Labor’s bill to crack down on the private education sector. Figures!
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/senior-liberal-headlines-event-for-student-visa-agents-before-tanking-migration-bill-20241120-p5ks4j.html
The $230b fund was created to stop a black hole in the federal budget. It’s now been tasked with investing in housing, energy and infrastructure, says Shane Wright.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/future-fund-told-to-sink-cash-into-homes-and-green-energy-20241120-p5ks7c.html
James Massola tells us Labor’s national secretary has vowed the party will not repeat the mistakes of Kamala Harris’ US election campaign and will instead focus on the economy in his first closed-door briefing to MPs since the failed Indigenous Voice referendum.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/labor-won-t-make-kamala-harris-mistakes-against-trump-alp-boss-says-20241119-p5krzo.html
Sneaky, excessive and unjustified: constitutional expert Anne Twomey argues why Labor’s electoral reforms are vulnerable to constitutional challenge.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/20/labor-electoral-campaign-finance-reforms-vulnerable-to-constitutional-challenge
The Australian Christian Lobby has claimed Labor’s hate speech laws would turn Australia into a “police state” by creating “thought crime” despite the fact the laws are directed towards threats of force or harm. Paul Karp reports that the Albanese government has substantially watered down the laws but is nevertheless facing a religious backlash, with the Catholic church and Christian Schools Australia also claiming that the psychological harm definition will mean the view that sex is immutable will be outlawed as “hateful”. If the ACL is dead against it, the legislation must be OK then!
Jim Chalmers insists Labor is making only a subtle change to the sovereign wealth fund’s investment mandate. But it could be a slippery slope, warns John Kehoe.
https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/future-fund-investment-shake-up-comes-with-risks-20241120-p5ks8q
Next year, it’s 50 years since the defeat of the Whitlam government and voters will have their chance to mark the anniversary by dispatching a first-term government that’s worse than Whitlam’s, says Peta Credlin in her weekly purgation.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/apart-from-the-vibe-what-has-this-government-actually-achieved/news-story/0bc648b7094065e2433d79f5aefe70fd
Disinformation and deepfakes played a part in the US election. Australia should expect the same, warn these Conversation contributors.
https://theconversation.com/disinformation-and-deepfakes-played-a-part-in-the-us-election-australia-should-expect-the-same-243373
As Sydney faces an unprecedented rail strike from tomorrow morning, rail union bosses are longing for the old days of a conservative government, writes Alexandra Smith.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/this-strike-will-turn-pearl-jam-into-traffic-jam-and-commuters-will-play-the-blame-game-20241120-p5ks56.html
Tony Wright has interviewed Bill Shorten on the eve of his departure fro parliament. A good read.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/i-ve-evolved-from-factional-operative-shorten-says-retirement-is-not-retreat-20241120-p5ks1q.html
Australia’s political landscape has long been dominated by a two-party system that often does not stand for the diverse interests of its citizens. Many Australians feel disconnected from a government that seems increasingly influenced by corporate interests rather than serving the needs of the people. Educating voters about how the two-party system limits democracy – and exploring how citizens can start reform – can help set up a system that prioritises Australians’ well-being, writes Denis Hay.
https://theaimn.com/educating-australian-voters-for-true-democracy/
Graham Readfearn takes issue with the Sky News/Chris Uhlmann documentary, “Real Cost of Net Zero”.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/nov/20/sky-news-documentary-real-cost-of-net-zero-fails-to-live-up-to-its-hubris-with-viewers-paying-the-price-ntwnfb
Sophie Vorrath tells us about a major new report that has detailed the “extraordinary economic opportunity” for Australia to replace its coal and gas exports with decarbonised commodities, and reap six to eight times more than the typical revenues it earns from fossil fuels, and help other major economies to meet their own climate goals.
https://johnmenadue.com/renewables-superpower-or-climate-coward-albanese-needs-to-make-a-choice-before-election/
Elizabeth Knight gets stuck into Rio Tinto for failing to act upon the massively troubling workplace culture pervading the company from its corporate offices to remote mine sites – including serious incidents of rape, bullying, sexual harassment and racism.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/workplace/guilty-by-chromosome-culture-change-doesn-t-come-easy-for-rio-s-workers-20241120-p5ks2d.html
Self-described language nerds at the Australian National University have chosen a term that taps into simmering cost-of-living rage as their word of the year – Colesworth. The portmanteau, or blended word, refers to the power and market share of Australia’s dominant supermarket chains, according to the university, and hints at “what is perceived as an unfair duopoly”.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/nov/20/australian-national-university-anu-word-of-the-year-colesworth-coles-woolworths-cost-of-living
Alan Jones once seemed unassailable. What ended it was a story of media, politics and power, explains Dennis Muller
https://www.thenewdaily.com.au/news/2024/11/19/alan-jones-career-ended
Overwhelmed by ever more clothing donations, charities are exporting the problem. Local governments must step up, urge these contributors to The Conversation. They make the point that there are more and more clothes in circulation, and they are getting cheaper and lower quality. That means the clothes you give away are worth less and less. For charities, this means donated clothes are less gift, more rubbish.
https://theconversation.com/overwhelmed-by-ever-more-clothing-donations-charities-are-exporting-the-problem-local-governments-must-step-up-243709
New research into impractical cooking areas in modern apartments has prompted calls for stricter standards to ensure the state government’s high-rise ambitions deliver quality, liveable housing, reports Sophie Aubrey. She says modern apartments are being built with cramped, impractical kitchens that are forcing residents to store food in bedrooms, cook less and buy groceries more frequently through the week.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/kitchens-are-cramping-apartment-living-forcing-residents-to-cook-less-and-shop-more-20241117-p5kr8w.html
The frenzy around a reinvigorated Republican administration can only make the voter ride much bumpier for everyone, Anthony Albanese included, opines Jennifer Hewett.
https://www.afr.com/policy/foreign-affairs/trump-picks-put-australia-in-the-crossfire-with-china-20241120-p5ks5a
US President Joe Biden’s top adviser on Asia has issued a ringing endorsement of Kevin Rudd, declaring the Australian ambassador operates like a foreign minister in Washington while Penny Wong focuses on matters closer to home, report Matthew Knott and Peter Hartcher.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/we-re-ready-kevin-rudd-declares-he-will-work-well-with-donald-trump-20241120-p5ks48.html
The Biden administration has been increasingly aggressive in pursuing antitrust cases against big technology companies, including one that threatens to force Google to offload its dominant Chrome browser. The looming change in administrations offers little prospect of relief, explains Stephen Bartholomeusz.
https://www.smh.com.au/technology/big-tech-didn-t-like-biden-trump-won-t-be-any-better-20241120-p5ks1c.html
Vladimir Putin’s nuclear sabre-rattling is spooking many in the West, but its main purpose may be to shape the approach of the incoming US president, writes Nick Bryant.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/putin-s-chilling-nuclear-threat-has-one-strategic-target-20241120-p5ks6w.html
In the Middle East, Trump can’t have his cake and eat it too, writes Professor Amin Saikal who says Benjamin Netanyahu may feel like he’s won the jackpot, but Donald Trump’s motto is that he ends wars, and does not start them.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/middle-east/in-the-middle-east-trump-can-t-have-his-cake-and-eat-it-too-20241119-p5krxu.html
The Republicans were always the party of big business, but Mr Trump is turning them into a playpen for oligarchs, declares an editorial in The Guardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/20/the-guardian-view-on-donald-trumps-plutocrats-money-for-something
Cartoon Corner
David Pope
Cathy Wilcox
Matt Golding
David Rowe
Dionne Gain
Mark Knight
Spooner’s obsession is boundless!
From the US
Just sayin’, Tulsi Gabbard had horrendously bad acne as a teenager. 😐
Sounds like the Novated Lease shootdown of a good Labor policy all over again. With Liberals you just have to follow the money to their donors:
Natassia Chrysanthos and Paul Sakkal tell us that Coalition frontbencher Sarah Henderson headlined an event for migration agents and private colleges and launched a new brand for a Liberal Party member who helps international students extend stays in Australia just a month before tanking Labor’s bill to crack down on the private education sector. Figures!
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/senior-liberal-headlines-event-for-student-visa-agents-before-tanking-migration-bill-20241120-p5ks4j.html
I wonder what paid-up mouthpiece for the Coalition here, pied piper, will have to say about the fact that it is now shown that it is the Coalition who support students extending their stay in Australia thus exacerbating the Housing Crisis? I expect he’ll drop the subject like a hot potato.
I don’t get this whole Kyle and Jackie story The G is running. FM radio is full of DJs being juvenile, crass and vulgar for years. It is their business model. It sells. Now, sure, this particular pair seem to take it up a notch, but not by much.
So why not tackle the cause? Why are people in their late 20’s and thirties flocking to this unfunny, vapid and, all too often, OTT offensive crap (it makes perfect sense for teenagers to be into it). I mean, surely by the age of 25 you’d be wanting to listen to clever offensive crap. Or at least vulgarity with some subtlety. Or absurdist silliness.
But… well…. I’m sure there were plenty of chaps in that supposedly mature age group watching Benny Hill back in the day. We can’t all want our crassness with a sprinkling of smarts and ingenuity.
But now I think of it…. You’d expect at least one or two FM slots going to some seriously clever-funny presenters (offensive and vulgar included or not). I can’t think of any on the Adelaide FM dial. Spotify (Tidal) and pods to the rescue.
OK, so we’ve got greens up basically across the board, reversing the moe decreases at the previous polls, 68:29 Postive/neutral:negative for the party, and 39:26 Postive/neutral:negative for bandt and all that shows they’re on the nose? OK guys.
Meanwhile they enjoy majority support for their hecs position, loto’s approval heading downward and labor polling BELOW THIRTY, and its the greens that are on the nose.
Tulsi Gabbard is a dangerous player, probably more of a threat than Gaetz. She is sinister and will do anything, in order to gain power.
Pretty nuts to read that 38% of voters don’t know who Adam Bandt is. Makes you question the value of compulsory voting.
I am surprising myself by providing a counterpoint here, but it isn’t that bad fewer people negative towards Bandt than the party. That large lack of familiarity is throwing the percentages out.
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I’m not surprised. You nailed it.
But if we must join the war, I’d add that it’s notable that with all Bandts efforts to gain traction, he is so unknown. Forgettable face/name? “Mostly harmless”?
SHY would do a better job as leader wrt name recognition. Would it help increase their vote share?
“Makes you question the value of compulsory voting.”
Looks at the US and UK as examples of non-compulsory voting.
No it does not make me question the value of compulsory voting in the slightest.
S. Simpson @ #21 Thursday, November 21st, 2024 – 7:55 am
Nothing to do with Compulsory Voting. The voters in his electorate know him well enough to vote for him to the extent he keeps getting elected. That a large number of the rest of the nation don’t know who he is, THAT’S a problem for The Greens.
Thanks, BK.
‘The frenzy around a reinvigorated Republican administration can only make the voter ride much bumpier for everyone, Anthony Albanese included, opines Jennifer Hewett.
https://www.afr.com/policy/foreign-affairs/trump-picks-put-australia-in-the-crossfire-with-china-20241120-p5ks5a‘
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Trump is a threat to Australia and hence to Albanese.
But his madness is also a direct political threat to Dutton.
Dutton.Gina.Trump.
Join.The.Dots.
That statement is literally factually incorrect. It is either a mistake, a deliberate lie or deliberate misinformation.
The market for what people are watching and listening to is shifting. I have just had my ears wrapped around Rick Beato’s latest interview (David Gilmour).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3OazxoPRK8
It was an amazing almost hour long interview, however several words seemed to be Verboten (Floyd, Roger, Syd, Darkside) – like Rick was playing a game of Taboo. I reckon it was part of the conditions of granting the interview.
However this interview will gain more eyes and ears than any other interview that Dave Gilmour will do, because the interview is long form, hasn’t got any time constraints, commercials, etc. Rick asks questions solely about the music, the process, the gear, etc rather than asking the tabloid style questions. A large swath of people are gravitating to these types of interviews where the person asking the question has interesting questions to ask and the subject of the interview is able to answer the question intelligently. I know what I would rather be listening to. Having said that, the 5 minutes of “The at work time-waster” on the Christian O’Connell show is as good a segment as you’ll hear.
@fubar, it’s a wee bit of hyperbole. Language doesn’t need to be quite so dry.
Not being familiar with someone isn’t the same as not knowing who they are at all. I wouldn’t be surprised if a good number of people opted for unfamiliar with loto or albo if they bothered to ask. Most people really dgaf about politicians.
‘Banquo911 says:
Thursday, November 21, 2024 at 7:41 am
Both the RedBridge Group poll and last week’s Resolve Strategic poll had questions on perceptions of the Greens. Resolve Strategic found the party was viewed positively by 24%, negatively by 44% and neutrally by 29%, while Adam Bandt was viewed positively by 10%, neutrally by 26% and negatively by 26%, with 38% unfamiliar. With six propositions to choose from, 38% of RedBridge’s respondents favoured clearly negative propositions against 29% for clearly positive, while 14% opted a broadly neutral “party of protest and disruption”.
OK, so we’ve got greens up basically across the board, reversing the moe decreases at the previous polls, 68:29 Postive/neutral:negative for the party, and 39:26 Postive/neutral:negative for bandt and all that shows they’re on the nose? OK guys.
Meanwhile they enjoy majority support for their hecs position, loto’s approval heading downward and labor polling BELOW THIRTY, and its the greens that are on the nose.’
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You must be really sad that you are not a Greens supporter, then…
Bludger Track has the Greens on 12.4%. This is .1% higher than their last election. All that wreckage and disruption and delay and blocking for .1%. OTOH, the wreckage, disruption, delay and blocking of the Greens has been excellent for Dutton and the Coalition. There is that.
IMO composition within the 12.4% has probably changed with older voters dropping out and young voters moving in. My guess is that there is a dynamic with younger, more radical membership driving ever more extreme behaviours and older voters increasingly distressed by the same.
My guess for the next election is that the Greens vote will be less dispersed nationally and more concentrated in inner urb areas. I am not sure what the consequences might be for the Greens senate seats. However I believe that the dispersion/concentration equation will protect their existing seats and may see them picking up one or two others.
Bandt is despised or unknown by the vast majority of Australians. They all know Hanson. They all know Thorpe. Piss weak effort for such a long-lived leader, then. However, I don’t think that that will affect Greens cult members one little bit. Quite the reverse.
‘FUBAR says:
Thursday, November 21, 2024 at 8:09 am
sustainable snail says:
Thursday, November 21, 2024 at 12:13 am
Half of the east coast of Australia literally burnt down in 2019/2020.
That statement is literally factually incorrect. It is either a mistake, a deliberate lie or deliberate misinformation.’
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Not literally, of course.
Nevertheless, those fires were unprecedented in many significant ways: length of fire season, intensity of fires, extent burnt, the numbers of creatures burnt, rainforest areas not previously burnt and the extent to which volunteers were exhausted.
Apart from bringing forward the Anthropocene Extinction Event, the consequences are still with us. Not least of these are massively increased insurance premiums and the large increased costs to rebuild as councils insist on upgraded housing standards for an already climate-changed world.
Finally, to round off the dismal story, the fires interrupted a relaxing holiday in Hawaii by your Man Of Many Hats.
Such is climate change.
The Hate Speech laws in the UK are a complete debacle and the same will happen here if the ALPs Hate Speech laws get up. Activists will use them for lawfare and a huge amount of Police time will be wasted. The process will be the punishment even if prosecutions are unsuccessful.
Morning all. Thanks for the roundup BK.
On the polling in William’s lead in article, its hard not to notice Bandt. At 10% he is less popularly than the Greens 11%. This implies that not all Greens voters support him, and nobody else. The chances of expanding the Greens vote under him would appear to be zero.
Next year, it’s 50 years since the defeat of the Whitlam government and voters will have their chance to mark the anniversary by dispatching a first-term government that’s worse than Whitlam’s, says Peta Credlin in her weekly purgation.
Peta Credlin is a representation of the opportunistic Right-wing media in this country. Who were yelling from the roof tops about debt in this country when Rudd and Gillard were in government. Only to conveniently go quiet on this issue when Labor has delivered back to back surpluses. While the previous Liberal governments left a debt five times the amount of Rudd and Gillard’s combined and pushed the national debt out to a trillion.
40% NSW national park area was impacted by those fires (burnt, cleared, back burned). There are plenty of parks out west so that would be well over 50% of the “east coast” (tablelands, ranges and coastal) parks area.
These are already fragmented and severely diminished ecosystems. So while the statement might be a misrepresentation by simplification, it also in some ways underrepresents the scale of the disaster.
Why did the turkeys vote for Christmas?
if Trump lets him, the Secretary of State for Health will kill a lot of people – probably disproportionately Trump voters who have already died in higher numbers in response to Trump’s covid lies. That body count will be a drop in the ocean if RFK does what he wants to do and bans all vaccinations. Gobble. Gobble. Gobble.
The nominee for Education flat out cheated about her educational attainments in a job application. Trust me. I am a cheat. Let’s ban some more books.
Meanwhile Dutton’s Henderson touts migration businesses and then votes against a cap on student numbers… all while Dutton decries migration numbers.
Dutton.Gina.Trump.
Join.The.Dots.
Gobble, gobble, gobble.
A short while ago USA vetoed a UN security council resolution calling for an immediate ceasefire in Israel’s assault on Gaza. This is the fifth time USA has vetoed such a resolution. Every other Security Council member voted for it, including Japan and Switzerland, who sponsored it.
https://mineralmagic89.blogspot.com/2024/11/us-vetoes-un-resolution-for-gaza.html#GazaConflict
Whether Democrats or Republicans the USA seems quite blind to how unpopular their unconditional support for Israel is. Then they wonder why nations in the global south are moving away from them.
No, it doesn’t.
It just confirms that they are a minor extremist activist party that the vast majority of Australians see no value in.
‘FUBAR says:
Thursday, November 21, 2024 at 8:25 am
The Hate Speech laws in the UK are a complete debacle and the same will happen here if the ALPs Hate Speech laws get up. Activists will use them for lawfare and a huge amount of Police time will be wasted. The process will be the punishment even if prosecutions are unsuccessful.’
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Excellent points. And it wasn’t as if hate speech was not a massive and vicious feature of the Voice Campaign. Just be a good little black boy and sit back and take it.
clem attlee: “Tulsi Gabbard is a dangerous player, probably more of a threat than Gaetz. She is sinister and will do anything, in order to gain power.”
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My impression is that, rather than being sinister and manipulative, she is extremely dim and has little understanding of the consequences of her actions. And I suspect that her main driver is the need for lots of attention. But , yes, she’s undoubtedly extremely dangerous. The worst appointment of all because, even though she’s not smart enough to achieve much in the role, she’s stupid enough to do things like give highly sensitive information to people she shouldn’t.
The other one that most worries me is the rumoured choice of Kash Patel to run the FBI: an appointment which I’m not sure even needs to go through the Senate. He seems to be a fool who is prepared to do whatever Trump tells him to do. And the FBI has the power to do a lot of dreadful stuff.
The others don’t really worry me quite so much as I think America is a big and complex enough place to be able to contain a lot of the damage they might potentially inflict on it. Even Gaetz, even though he is much smarter than Gabbard and Hugseth, and much saner than RFK jnr. In fact, I reckon Gaetz as A-G would be so darkly amusing that I almost hope he gets there. But I doubt he will: too many of the Senators are lawyers and they must greatly resent how patently underqualified he is for the role.
Boerwar says:
Thursday, November 21, 2024 at 8:37 am
Win the argument. Just because you disagree with the politics doesn’t make it hate speech. Your post is a perfect example of how activists will use it for their own political purposes to either shit down debate or punish political and cultural enemies.
#weatheronPB
Thin grey soup above,
brings to the damp air below,
a faint smell of rot.
US President Joe Biden’s top adviser on Asia has issued a ringing endorsement of Kevin Rudd, declaring the Australian ambassador operates like a foreign minister in Washington while Penny Wong focuses on matters closer to home, report Matthew Knott and Peter Hartcher.
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Not a great reflection on Wong’s capabilities.
‘Socrates says:
Thursday, November 21, 2024 at 8:35 am
A short while ago USA vetoed a UN security council resolution calling for an immediate ceasefire in Israel’s assault on Gaza. This is the fifth time USA has vetoed such a resolution. Every other Security Council member voted for it, including Japan and Switzerland, who sponsored it.
https://mineralmagic89.blogspot.com/2024/11/us-vetoes-un-resolution-for-gaza.html#GazaConflict
Whether Democrats or Republicans the USA seems quite blind to how unpopular their unconditional support for Israel is. Then they wonder why nations in the global south are moving away from them.’
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The very much weaker side always wants a ceasefire. It gives them an opportunity to recruit, re-arm, re-organize and re-supply.
It basically gives Hamas the win.
There IS a solution to this. What is left of Hamas could leave Gaza. It is as if Hamas and Netanyahu BOTH want mass suffering of civilians.
Other than that, treating Gaza as if it were isolated is, IMO, completely illogical. Gaza is part of the Iran axis. That axis has genocide as a vision statement. Heshabollah, the Houthis, various Iranian-backed groups in Syrian are all still actively fighting.
All that said, I agree with your view that all this is damaging to the US and is terribly damaging to Israel. At that level Iran Plus, despite the genocidal intentions, has been a huge winner.
My view is that Netanyahu kept the war going not only to keep himself out of jail but also because he knew it was damaging the Biden Administration.
The arab americans who voted for Trump are the first turkeys off the rank. Trump has appointed Huckabee as ambassador to Israel. He doesn’t think Palestinians exist.
Gobble. Gobble. Gobble.
FUBARsays:
Thursday, November 21, 2024 at 8:37 am
S. Simpson says:
Thursday, November 21, 2024 at 7:55 am
Pretty nuts to read that 38% of voters don’t know who Adam Bandt is. Makes you question the value of compulsory voting.
No, it doesn’t.
It just confirms that they are a minor extremist activist party that the vast majority of Australians see no value in.
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I wonder what the corresponding numbers for Albo and Dutton are. Note that they NEVER publish those control results…
‘FUBAR says:
Thursday, November 21, 2024 at 8:45 am
Boerwar says:
Thursday, November 21, 2024 at 8:37 am
Win the argument. Just because you disagree with the politics doesn’t make it hate speech. Your post is a perfect example of how activists will use it for their own political purposes to either shit down debate or punish political and cultural enemies.’
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As you know perfectly well, and as you have experienced first hand yourself, I was referring to racist hate speech, not polite discourse on the merits of various policies.
Meher says “My impression is that, rather than being sinister and manipulative, (Tulsi Gabbard) she is extremely dim and has little understanding of the consequences of her actions. And I suspect that her main driver is the need for lots of attention. ”
Yep so many right wing women are like this. It’s a thing. Sarah Palin comes to mind.
Dan Rather lives on!!
Fake but true!!!!
Old foodbar is in a mood this morning. Pulling up someone for a bit of hyperbole, picking up on the slightest errors and opposing any moves to shit down debate.
‘Alpha Zero says:
Thursday, November 21, 2024 at 8:47 am
FUBARsays:
Thursday, November 21, 2024 at 8:37 am
S. Simpson says:
Thursday, November 21, 2024 at 7:55 am
Pretty nuts to read that 38% of voters don’t know who Adam Bandt is. Makes you question the value of compulsory voting.
No, it doesn’t.
It just confirms that they are a minor extremist activist party that the vast majority of Australians see no value in.
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I wonder what the corresponding numbers for Albo and Dutton are. Note that they NEVER publish those control results…’
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They broadly reflect party support, as you might expect. There has been a ferocious Get Albanese campaign this last quarter by most of the MSM, most of the commentariat and by Murdoch, Stokes, Costello MSM. And it is showing up in the numbers.
The Greens are 13 per centers. Some Greens don’t like Bandt. Understandable. He is an 11 per center. He is also evidently not at all attractive to non-Greens voters. He does come across as an extremist student politician with a streak of misery guts about him.
After all he wants to turn the ADF into the equivalent of Hamas.
How dopey is that?
Rant time.
Harris biggest deep fake at election.
States stuffed up conservation management feds get to tally endangered species lists.Reform Parks Victoria and public sector union job for life Nat parks and wildlife incompetence with competition.Nature positive tries to do this with more comm powers.Blaming feds like Morrison for bushfires deranged.
Greens doing well compared to Fed labor mind you blind Freddy in an iron lung doing better than labor federally.
Fed labor government failures now about to gut the future fund one cannot seperate high spending and taxing fed labor government failures from a pot of money.
Women on here bagging women as pimple covered shows hypocrisy as these hypocrites are bagging out men all the time on here.
Bit harsh on Whitlam to be compared to the current Rabble.