There may be a Resolve Strategic federal poll through later today, but in case there’s not, a new open thread is order despite there not being much new to relate:
• Labor has chosen Tu Le, whose preselection bid in 2022 was scotched when the national executive imposed Kristina Keneally, as its candidate to recover the western Sydney seat of Fowler from independent Dai Le. Tu Le is a lawyer and daughter of Vietnamese refugees, and the decision to cast her aside to accommodate Keneally’s move from the Senate, where she had failed to secure a competitive position on the party ticket, was evidently received poorly by voters in an electorate that encompasses the Vietnamese community hub of Cabramatta. Dai Le defeated Keneally at the election by 1.6% after preferences, after trailing by 36.1% to 29.5% on the primary vote.
• SECNewgate’s semi-regular Mood of the Nation survey finds positivity towards the transition to renewables at its lowest level since the Albanese government came to power, at 47% positive and 26% negative; Labor favoured by 30% on managing the cost of living, steady from July, with the Coalition up two to 29%; 58% favouring Kamala Harris over 22% for Donald Trump; and a downward trajectory for the perceived performance of the Western Australian state government.
• A South Australian state by-election looms in the highly marginal Liberal-held seat of Black after former party leader resigned from parliament yesterday after being charged on two counts of supplying a controlled substance. Police allege the offence took place “between August 2 and 3 and on August 9”, the latter date being a day after he stepped aside as party leader. On September 9, The Advertiser revealed a video, seemingly filmed in the small hours of June 30, appearing to show Speirs snorting a line of white powder in what appeared to be his home. Speirs claimed the video was a deepfake, but The Advertiser published advice from experts who believed otherwise. The police were seemingly likewise unconvinced, having raided Speirs’ house and arrested him on September 26. The last by-election in the state, on March 23, resulted in Labor gaining former Liberal Premier Steven Marshall of Dunstan, overturning a 0.5% margin with a 1.4% swing.
Trying to imagine this happening in the Australian parliament
…. No! I can’t imagine it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H21edCN3Q7c
Sohar @ #49 Sunday, October 6th, 2024 – 10:29 am
You mean this isn’t real?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsfFJarMeJk
UK Cartoons and other miscellany
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Stolen from the internet
From the Guardian live blog:
“It is understood these Australians and their families are staying in temporary accommodation in Larnaca, Cyprus, before returning to Australia on connecting flights operated by Qantas and Qatar Airways starting from today.”
The selection of chartered airlines by the Australian Government is interesting.
I like Daylight Saving. Unfortunately lots of West Australians don’t.
The Albanese Govt says it supports a two state solution.
I don’t believe them.
I hate daylight saving. Worst idea ever.
Rex Douglas @ #55 Sunday, October 6th, 2024 – 11:00 am
Obviously, the Albo government will do whatever the US does
(To be fair – ScoMo was even more of a sycophant – Jerusalem as the Israeli capital, indeed)
Re MP’s bullying their staff.
It’s just unacceptable.
In any other job I’d say they should be managed out. But not democratically elected reps.
Perhaps a mandatory intensive course in staff management. I don’t know.
Yes. It was the only worthwhile thing that Turnbull did as PM. Fixed Senate voting to get rid of the Group tickets and the perverse results that they created.
I hope the usual handful of anarchist losers don’t stir up trouble today during the rallies.
A puff piece in the Hun on John Pesutto.
Very defiantly digging in as Vic Lib leader. The party extremists gonna have to blast him out. 😆
I liked daylight saving when we trialled it in WA, however the majority voted against it – people living in rural areas especially seemed to hate it with a passion, I guess the nature of their work means they are more likely to wake up with the sun and it means one less hour to go into town to run errands.
Rex Douglassays:
Sunday, October 6, 2024 at 11:08 am
Re MP’s bullying their staff.
It’s just unacceptable.
In any other job I’d say they should be managed out. But not democratically elected reps.
Perhaps a mandatory intensive course in staff management. I don’t know.
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Well the change of Govt hasn’t made any difference. Despite them making a big deal about it when in opposition.
Douglas and Milko says:
Sunday, October 6, 2024 at 10:50 am
I want to add ‘Choppy helps out!’ to the Christmas list for the youngest niece.
C@tmomma says:
Sunday, October 6, 2024 at 7:38 am
How can it be a Progressive party when its female leader conforms to a repressive religious tenet that proscribes what women must wear?
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Doesn’t sound very progressive to attack someone’s credentials on the basis of the clothes they wear, it’s a divisive and cheap attack.
It was a balanced discussion of the situation.
Here is painful:
“‘ Not one girl could be shown to her parents’: The horrors of Oct 7 – as told by the survivors
In a heartbreaking dispatch to mark the anniversary, witnesses recall the heroism of victims and the true depravity of the attack”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/10/05/oct-7-israel-survivors-stories-state-of-the-nation/
If you were referring to her wearing normal clothes, say a pair of jeans or a dress, I could agree. But that isn’t the case. She wears the Hijab as a sign of Muslim piety. It is a symbol of a deeply conservative religion that seeks control over females and their bodies, is deeply misogynistic, deeply homophobic, and anti LGBTQ+.
What do you expect him to do?
He’s a dead man walking once he loses the case. He fucked up. The sooner he is gone and Groth is made leader, the better.
He hasn’t lost the case yet, and it’s only Murdoch papers runing the line that he’ll hafta resign if he does.
Any idea who’s funding Deeming?
The bills must be in the millions by now?
A major coal lobby has funnelled more than $500,000 into an LNP-linked third party campaigner responsible for ant-Labor billboards across inner-Brisbane suburbs.
Australians for Prosperity (A4P), run by former LNP MP for Ryan Julian Simmonds, has splashed advertising across television, radio and billboards warning voters “we can’t afford” another term of Labor.
The campaign is designed to “challenge the current government’s overspending, overtaxing, and overregulation”
https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/qld-politics/george-street-beat-qld-politics-news-and-gossip/news-story/a9b63b8868cce716955d94b3ad3401c2
Where was Julian Simmonds as a Liberal MP when the previous Liberal federal government he was a part of – left a debt five times the amount of Labor’s and pushed the national debt out to a trillion. Can anyone say hypocrite?
Fubar we live in a country where people can practice their religion freely, people shouldn’t be subject to attacks or assumptions that because they are Muslim they must therefore be repressed by their religious beliefs or are bigots. To paint Muslims as some monolith is divisive and untrue, singling people out for their religion is a bottom of the barrel argument that just alienates people further.
Never surprises me that rusted on Liberals (meaning the outer limits red necks who now control its destiny) hate/hated Turnbull. Along with Colin Barnett, he was the only genuine liberal the LNP has come up with in the last 20 years or so.
Why the Liberal party does not change its name in keeping with the outlooks of its anti-anything outlook, always puzzles me.
“Liberal” the party it now ain’t – as if ever it was.
Political Nightwatchman says:
Sunday, October 6, 2024 at 12:52 pm
In the face of the greatest economic crisis since the 1920’s Depression – you are advocating that the LNP should have crashed the economy. Genius.
mj says:
Sunday, October 6, 2024 at 12:59 pm
You guys paint every single group you disagree with as monoliths – LNP and females, No voters as racists, Catholics as pedophiles, Jews as war criminals. Have a look in the mirror.
Sure Fubar lots of people on all sides do. 2 wrongs don’t make a right.
Tricot says:
Sunday, October 6, 2024 at 1:04 pm
Let’s do a deal. The Liberals will change their name when the ALP takes its commitment to socialism out of its constitution.
mj says:
Sunday, October 6, 2024 at 1:11 pm
Pay man could claim to be progressive if she stopped wearing the Hijab but remained a Muslim and went to her Mosque without a head covering and sat with the men rather than in the women’s section. That would be a reasonable indication of her being progressive.
There’s already a Conservative Party in Australia, it’s called One Nation.
Not many vote for it, a situation it’s evil twin, the Australian Labor Party, will be dealing with in 20 days time.
The Payman Maneuver is classic Labor Bait & Switch.
She’d have to shill for legalising Dope Smoking to make it any more obvious.
“Political Nightwatchman says:
Sunday, October 6, 2024 at 12:52 pm
In the face of the greatest economic crisis since the 1920’s Depression – you are advocating that the LNP should have crashed the economy. Genius.”
@Fubar
Liberals doubled the debt before the pandemic Fubar. Nice try but no cigar. Not to mention the huge amount of waste that went with it including throwing away 40 billion on job keeper to businesses that were not entitled to it.
I don’t remember you ever criticising the Liberals scaremongering on debt when the Rudd government managed the economy through the GFC. And the Rudd/Gillard governments only accumulated a fifth of the Liberals debt. Which had already over been over taken by Abbott’s Prime Minstership in less then one term despite his hypocritical ‘we need to live within our means’ bullshit.
I thought it was a very good and obvious question to ask. Well done C@t (and FUBAR as well).
I believe that I am a Panthers supporter today. Don’t normally do the NRL thing.
“There’s already a Conservative Party in Australia, it’s called One Nation.
Not many vote for it, a situation it’s evil twin, the Australian Labor Party, will be dealing with in 20 days time.”
@Badthinker
Labor party been around for more then 100 years and will be around for 100 more. You can’t say the same thing about One Nation. That are so inept that they had 11 Mp’s elected at the Queensland state election in 1998. And the whole party managed to disintergrate through either resignations or were kick out of the party.
Political Nightwatchman says:
Sunday, October 6, 2024 at 1:23 pm
Rudd-Gillard-Rudd locked in massive spending programs that the LNP were unable to unwind because the Senate blocked the mandate that Abbott won.
If they weren’t entitled to it, they wouldn’t have been paid it. They were entitled to it.
The ALP government is now spending millions telling us we got a tax cut. Have a look in the mirror.
I thought it was a very good and obvious question to ask. Well done C@t (and FUBAR as well).
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Wearing a hijab has nothing to do with ones broader policy agenda and so has no place being a point of debate over whether one is progressive or not. If it was such an obvious question why did Labor select her as a Senate candidate? I don’t know why I even need to type this.
One Nation are not a Conservative Party. They are a populist party. They drew their support from both ALP and LNP voters.
The Liberal and National Parties remain the home of Conservatives in Australia. It remains a broad church with a wide range of views.
For those interested in AI ( which isn’t intelligent by any definition)
From podcast…
“If you start accepting instead machines that arrive at the answers without knowing how to reach them correctly, then there’s a real danger of what I’ve often called a moral or political de-skilling of individuals but also of our culture. Because you lose the knowledge of how to think through complex, weighty problems. And instead, you rely on the ability of a system to produce the most predictable answer to the question.
So the problem with AI today is that we’re trying to use it to automate the most important and the most complicated and the most difficult questions that we ask ourselves. Questions about who should live and who should die, who should go to jail, who should get health care, who should I date, who should I marry, what kind of career should I choose, what kind of policies should our government promote. And we’re doing that with systems that can’t actually hold on to the thread of reasoning that’s required to justify a morally high stakes or politically high stakes decision like these”
From Templeton Ideas Podcast: Shannon Vallor (Artificial Intelligence), 18 Jul 2024
https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/templeton-ideas-podcast/id1676100611?i=1000662606835
Government and environmental agencies in Samoa are on alert after a New Zealand Navy ship caught fire and sank off the south coast of Upolu. The HMNZS Manawanui – a specialist dive and hydrographic vessel – was conducting a reef survey when it hit the reef on Saturday night.
Seventy-five crew and passengers were taken off the vessel by liferafts and other boats which came to the rescue.
Samoa fire commissioner Tanuvasa Petone said the ship caught fire and sank on Sunday morning after a successful rescue. Three on board needed hospital treatment, he said. “They’re all on land. They are safe and sound apart from just a few individuals that… have some minor injuries, and so we treated them at the site and transferred to them to the hospital.” Petone said the conditions were “quite rough and windy”.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/529935/nz-navy-ship-runs-aground-off-samoa-catches-fire-and-sinks
@Fubar
Tony Abbott made cuts in his 2014 budget which sunk him down in polls. He then panicked and started spending like a drunken sailor to try avoid being a one term prime minister. Abbott’s rhetoric about debt was all smoke and mirrors and meant nothing to him. The same for Liberals who pushed the national debt out to a trillion. Despite all their rhetoric about ‘Back in the black’ were unable to deliver one surplus in nine years.
Fubar….
What’s wrong with (S)socialism?
Labor at least shifted from Labour to Labor…for what it is worth.
From your many offerings here – and I do not disagree with all your stances – I would have thought even you would accept the word “Liberal” fits will with the 30% plus of the electorate who share your views – even more vehemently and extremely than yourself.
Even “Duntroon” has changed its name/status over the years. No longer the name much related to its original purpose.
And the Pope isn’t opposed to birth control, abortion, or female priests. Apparently.
Fubar…after you last offering….”broad church”? You are not serious surely?
Your take on current “liberalism” is dead and gone as far as the current Liberal party is concerned.
The name Liberal is almost as phoney as “Nationals” for the Country Party.
At least the hayseeds saw they were never going to get any urban votes with the moniker of “Country Party”.
With the Nationals you know where there stand ——just a bunch of rural socialists at heart. Maybe the “broad church” you mentioned?
Some high-speed rail news:
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/high-speed-rail-boss-pushes-fast-train-link-to-include-melbourne-airport-stop-20241005-p5kg22.html
Political Nightwatchman says:
Sunday, October 6, 2024 at 1:44 pm
The Howard-Costello Government paid off all the National debt and created the Future Fund while overseaing an economy with low inflation, significant real wages growth and productivity gains. I’m pretty comfortable with the record of the LNP on managing debt and the economy.
Abbott was only popular as Op Leader until the punters realised they were conned. When his popularity tanked after the 2014 budget he never recovered
Thomas says:
Sunday, October 6, 2024 at 1:52 pm
They can’t even get a low speed train to Melbourne Airport so I don’t see a High Speed Train doing so. It doesn’t really make sense as they are competing with air travel.
I don’t think I have seen Fubar object to Masons wearing their Aprons as a symbol of the Protestant ascendancy.
Goodness me on a fast train you might get from Sydney to Melbourne in 4 hours!