Federal polls: Newspoll quarterly and Roy Morgan weekly (open thread)

Quarterly Newspoll aggregates record no radical changes over the past three months at state level, while Roy Morgan’s two-party results offer something for everyone.

The Australian yesterday published the quarterly Newspoll aggregates, which combine three months of polling to produce breakdowns by state and various demographic indicators with credible sample sizes. The state breakdowns record the Coalition leading 51-49 in New South Wales (unchanged on the previous quarter, for a swing to the Coalition of around 2.5% from the 2022 election); Labor leading 52-48 in Victoria (in from 54-46, a Coalition swing of around 3%); the Coalition leading 54-46 in Queensland (steady on both the last quarter and the last election); Labor leading 52-48 in Western Australia (steady, a Coalition swing of around 3%); and Labor leading 54-46 in South Australia (out from 53-47, no swing from 2022). The national two-party preferred through this period was 50-50, after Labor led 51-49 last quarter. The results combine four Newspoll surveys from July 15 to September 20 with an overall sample of 5035, ranging from 374 in South Australia to 1592 in New South Wales.

The weekly Roy Morgan poll has the Coalition leading 51-49 on respondent-allocated preferences, after they trailed 50.5-49.5 last week, but these seem unduly favourable to them: the primary votes are Labor 30% (down two), Coalition 38% (up half), Greens 13.5% (up one) and One Nation 4.5% (down half), and the pollster’s two-party measures based on 2022 election preferences have Labor leading 51.5-48.5, in from 52-48. The poll was conducted Monday to Sunday from a sample of 1668.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. Ok, I have no idea how NSW council elections work. First preference group and candidate votes for the Snowy Monaro Regional are here: https://vtr.elections.nsw.gov.au/LG2401/snowy-monaro/councillor/fp-by-grp-and-candidate-by-vote-type

    So would I be right in assuming this bloke got elected because the Liberals didn’t get their applications in on time, or where there other factors: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-02/andrew-thaler-elected-snowy-monaro-council-banned-from-buildings/104419266

  2. Ok, I’ve researched council elections in NSW. I’m guessing Andrew Thaler was on top of his group. I’m still wondering if there was a reason some voters liked him or his group?

  3. @Nicholas – see my earlier reply for Eddy regarding your attempt to whitewash Hezbollah as some sort of benevolent governmental body in Lebanon. I think when you assassinate the elected leader and block the elected Parliament from sitting and kill your political opponents and run the country on behalf of another country, you don’t get to say “hey, we’re not terrorists, we arrange garbage collection!”.

    The fundamental problem with the Middle East debate around here is that some of us see both sides committing war crimes and some are so eager to pot only Israel that they try to excuse Hamas and Hezbollah in naff ways like this while screaming abuse at the Australian government for not being as one-eyed as them.

  4. @ajm: “Any analysis of which way independents would jump in a hung parliament needs to take into account that nearly all of them have a strong position on the environment.

    Dutton would not be able to offer them anything even slightly acceptable on that issue.

    If they did back the LNP despite it not having an acceptable environment policy., the instructive precedent is the Australian Democrats compromising on the GST, and we know what happened in the wake of that ”

    Sort of. If the result was dire enough that Dutton was noticeably closer to forming minority government than Labor, some of the Indies would probably guarantee supply but then just seek to block legislation aimed at damaging renewables, emission reduction etc.

    But overall yes, arguably Labor in minority and more reliant on the Indies is the best result for the Indies to show the effect they can have, while Dutton in government and at most having to block Dutton while being unable to progress their own agendas is the worst, and they know it.

  5. Don’t see the point of stewing over the conflict in the Middle East here in Australia, it’s not our conflict and we don’t have much influence to do anything about it. It’s not in our interests to be taking sides or making it a big domestic political talking point at worst it’ll just further anger Muslims in Australia if we are seen as favouring Israel, I think we should just be neutral, provide unconditional support of both an Israeli and Palestinian state and use what little influence we have to call for peace between all sides.

  6. Interesting debate last night on whether (a) the Hezbollah and other flags should be outlawed, or (b) allowed as freedom of speech.

    I’d be interested in the views of Nicholas and others who advoctate position (b) whether they feel the same way about the Confederate flag? Should African-Americans and assorted US lefties who are outraged by it simply suck it up and stop being snowflakes?

    And what about certain other flags that I don’t dare mention for fear of breaching Godwin’s law?

  7. FUBAR: ““The nation’s biggest native title deal – called Australia’s first treaty – is in turmoil as the land council that struck the agreement reels from explosive revelations that it secretly accessed the emails of “usurping” Aboriginal organisations established to take charge of the $1.3bn settlement …Typical. I give it a decade and all the money will be gone.”
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    Well, from my perspective this is devastatingly sad news that I hope can be turned around very quickly. The Noongar agreement had a fair degree of bipartisan support (at least initially when Barnett was still Premier) and seemed to be a potential blueprint for future treaty arrangements around the country.

    I don’t think much of the tone of your jeering, but I too feel a bit pessimistic and wonder if financial autonomy funded by some form of reparations is ever going to work for more than a minority of communities. But I would have thought that the Noongar was going to be one of those. If they can’t make it work, I start to wonder how many will be able to.

  8. Pied pipersays:
    Wednesday, October 2, 2024 at 10:50 pm

    The Australian reports tonight Senator Payman will be establishing her political party next month.

    The preference whisperer is her chief of staff not good for labor.

    Greens have just announced a $54 billion policy for free GP visits for all Australians

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    So the problem is that when you start getting into really big numbers spending and taxing, the policy needs to start taking into account economic behaviour changes, which the Greens don’t appear to be doing.

    – “Robin hood” taxes is the opposite of what the Henry Tax review recommended, noting that Australia’s globally high corporate tax rate is already pushing way some economic activity. It is very likely that such a tax increase will generate much less than expected because of a slower and smaller economy.

    – similarly, big spends need big resources. There are already concerns that the NDIS is sucking up and driving the employment growth over the past year, low productivity jobs that don’t create the spillover wealth and income that could support the broader economic in the same way high quality private sector jobs do. The PBO also specifically warned that the GP plan will suck up workers from other parts of the system… will we just import more workers, to serve import workers?

    It doesn’t seem like the Greens are considering (or caring) about the vicious cycle they seem to be setting up, a declining economy coupled with skyrocketing public costs. They should instead be focusing on targeted support, and tax reform that promotes growth and prosperity.

  9. There used to be a confederate flag hanging on the back wall of the bar at the Sporting Shooters Association of Australia (SSAA) at Belmont in Brisbane. That was back in 1979, no idea if the flag is still there or not.

  10. I look forward to hearing some details on the aforementioned wealth tax thought bubble, especially how and when the tax would be applied, especially if you did away with the other taxes, should be a hoot.

  11. @FUBAR:

    “https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/biggest-native-title-deal-is-in-turmoil/news-story/ab080c9d846c31701e33215f67a1cd8b

    Typical. I give it a decade and all the money will be gone.”

    ________

    Black people hey? They always need a benevolent Bwana to help supervise their lives. … people like you … and Gina (blessed be thy name). …

  12. Bizzcan: “It doesn’t seem like the Greens are considering (or caring) about the vicious cycle they seem to be setting up, a declining economy coupled with skyrocketing public costs. ”
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    The far left has never cared about this risk. They never learnt the lesson of the story of the goose that laid the golden eggs.

    Or, as Margaret Thatcher famously put it: “The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money.”

    In Western countries, far left politicians and voters typically come from relatively (or even highly) privileged families against whose values they wish to rebel. Their avowed desire to help the disadvantaged is largely abstract: few of them have ever mixed with disadvantaged people or, say, have ever volunteered to provide assistance to them.

    Their driving, palpable wish is to strip the better-off people in our society of their wealth. That wish is driven, first and foremost, by a desire to punish their own families and, in a sense, themselves. They are far more interested in this destructive scenario than in what happens afterwards (note that Marx hardly wrote anything about what a socialist society would actually look like, and what he did write – in a work entitled The German Ideology – sounded even more naive and impossibly idealistic than the set ups of the 1970s Nimbin hippies.)

    When the far left does take power over some undeserving and unfortunate country, they inevitably resolve the question of what to do with all the wealth they have seized by deciding to keep most of it for themselves.

    This is a pattern that has been repeated in societies from post-WWI Russia through to Venezuela. That there are intelligent, educated people living comfortable lives in Western countries who still believe in this crap is depressing. But then, tens of thousands of otherwise sensible people became flagellants in the 14th century and wandered from place to place whipping themselves. There’s nowt so queer as folk.

  13. Good morning Dawn Patrollers

    The government’s management of the economy has helped bring inflation down and keep employment up, but it has much to learn about communication, writes Niki Savva but she says if Albanese repeats his performance over negative gearing, he can kiss the election goodbye. As usual, Savva is right on the money as she examines the current political landscape.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/if-albanese-repeats-his-performance-over-negative-gearing-he-can-kiss-the-election-goodbye-20241002-p5kf71.html
    Anthony Albanese and Peter Dutton have launched a new round of mutual character attacks, with Albanese deriding the opposition leader for taking “a macho stance” on policy issues and suggesting Dutton believed politics was “all about testosterone”. Karen Middleton tells us that Albanese’s blast came during an interview prompted by the escalating conflict in the Middle East, in which he was also asked when he would clarify the government’s position on gambling advertising and why he would not endorse a total ban. He said Dutton had also not endorsed a total ban.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/oct/02/albanese-dutton-clash-israel-lebanon-attacks-middle-east-crisis
    NineFax tells us that after Peter Costello left it, he has joined the board of the Cormack Foundation, the secretive private company which funds the Liberal Party and other free enterprise causes including various think tanks.
    https://www.smh.com.au/cbd/former-no-more-what-peter-costello-did-next-20241002-p5kfdm.html
    Shane Wright tells us that the government is increasing its attention on the nation’s supermarket aisles, promising to make it easier to detect shrinkflation. There is fertile ground here!
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/getting-less-for-more-war-on-supermarkets-shifts-to-shrinkflation-scourge-20241002-p5kfd4.html
    Australians are mad at the supermarkets, but not mad enough to shop elsewhere, says Shane Wright. He points to a recent study that showed every local market examined had a concentration that would raise “potential competition concerns” within the ACCC. In 95 per cent of markets, there’s so little competition that it would be considered “highly concentrated” under the US Department of Justice threshold for concern.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/australians-are-mad-at-the-supermarkets-but-not-mad-enough-to-shop-elsewhere-20241002-p5kf7u.html
    If a range of sugar-hit policies spur fresh demand leading to higher property prices, ownership could remain beyond the reach of many Australians, warns Elizabeth Knight. She says the Coalition’s response to the crisis– floating changes that will allow those locked out of the market to get their hands on money by accessing their super, or the latest notion of reducing the borrowing safety interest rate buffers applied by the independent financial prudential regulator – is concerning.
    https://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/should-it-be-easier-for-the-banks-to-give-you-a-home-loan-20241002-p5kfao.html
    A new release by the Parliamentary Budget Office has shed further light on which taxpayers benefit most from negative gearing on residential property, writes Harry Chemay for Michael West Media.
    https://michaelwest.com.au/who-benefits-from-negative-gearing-cgt-pbo/
    Canned fruit and vegetable producer SPC is a step closer to building a global empire following a three-way merger with ASX-listed Original Juice Company and powdered milk business Nature One Dairy that is set to create a $400 million company, reports Jessica Yun, saying the new company could become the ”Nestle of Australia”.
    https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/nestle-of-australia-spc-goes-for-gold-with-three-way-merger-20241002-p5kfay.html
    The corporate regulator has called on the board of ANZ to reflect on what changes the bank needs to make after it failed to overturn a Federal Court decision that it breached the law during a controversial $2.5 billion capital-raising almost a decade ago. ANZ should have told the market that three investment banks, Citi, Deutsche and JP Morgan, which underwrote its 2015 capital-raise took up more than 25 million of ANZ’s unsold shares – the subject of a failed criminal cartel case – the Federal Court ruled yesterday as it struck out ANZ’s appeal and ended a lengthy legal battle.
    https://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/anz-breached-laws-during-2-5-billion-capital-raise-federal-court-rules-again-20241002-p5kf86.html
    Ronald Mizen and Tom Rabe report that Resources Minister Madeleine King has warned gas producers they risk damaging their social licence and playing into the hands of the Greens if they fail to provide stable supply and affordable prices to consumers.
    https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/boost-gas-supply-or-risk-the-greens-king-tells-producers-20241002-p5kfb4
    Visa applications from overseas students have roughly halved since higher fees and tougher rules came into play in July, realising the fears of universities who warned of an economic hit if new government policies lessened the demand for people to study in Australia. Natassia Chrysanthos writes that in a sign the federal government’s crackdown is flowing through to the sector, there were drastically fewer applications from students in South and South-East Asia in July and August this year compared to the one before, while the vocational education sector had one-fifth of the offshore applicants it did a year ago.
    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/crackdown-sees-international-student-visa-applications-plummet-20241002-p5kfc0.html
    Deputy Liberal leader David Southwick has told the Federal Court he secretly recorded an internal party meeting as an insurance policy because he could no longer trust Moira Deeming after “the darkest day” of hate on the steps of the Victorian parliament. More from the court hearing from Rachel Eddie and Annika Smethurst.
    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/southwick-secretly-taped-liberal-meeting-as-insurance-court-told-20241002-p5kf7o.html
    More than 75 per cent of people believe addressing the deliberate spread of misinformation online is extremely important or quite important. On how you achieve that goal, the country is far more divided, writes Ronald Mizen.
    https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/everything-you-need-to-know-about-labor-s-free-speech-crackdown-20241002-p5kf5z
    Paul Budde tells us that governments worldwide are increasingly using data and technology for surveillance, leveraging advancements in artificial intelligence (AI), machine learning, and data analytics to monitor individuals and populations. This shift has sparked significant debate around the ethical and human rights considerations associated with such practices.
    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/the-pros-and-cons-of-mass-government-cyber-surveillance,19026
    Seventeen years after a Queensland Labor premier sold off the state’s energy retailer, the party has conceded privatisation failed consumers and promised a new publicly owned “people’s” energy provider to power cheaper electricity bills. Incumbent Steven Miles announced the policy of a new state energy retailer on social media on the second day of the election campaign on Tuesday, before fronting the travelling press pack in Mackay with further details later this morning.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/oct/02/steven-miles-qld-state-owned-energy-electricity-plan
    The Queensland LNP have a policy (just the one !) which they believe will sweep them into government come the 26 October state election. They have taken their lead from the Northern Territory CLP where it’s all about crime and punishment – mainly Aboriginal crime although that is thinly veiled, writes Terrence Mills.
    https://theaimn.com/adult-crime-adult-time/
    When it comes to prejudice, ageism is the most stupid, writes Jane Caro. She says, “Ageism isn’t just the last of the acceptable prejudices, it is also the most stupid. Which is saying something, given how dumb all prejudice is. After all, when you discriminate against someone because of their age, the person you are excluding is your future self.”
    https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/life-and-relationships/when-it-comes-to-prejudice-ageism-is-the-most-stupid-20240918-p5kbma.html
    As long as racism persists in Australian newsrooms, their reporting will not be truly inclusive, opines Giridharan Sivaraman.
    https://www.theguardian.com/media/commentisfree/2024/oct/02/as-long-as-racism-persists-in-australian-newsrooms-their-reporting-will-not-be-truly-inclusive
    According to Max Maddison, Chris Minns has backed NSW Police efforts to seek a Supreme Court challenge to prevent pro-Palestine rallies from proceeding over the long weekend, saying he believed there was a “high prospect of conflict” on Sydney’s streets around the anniversary of the October 7 attacks.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/high-prospect-of-conflict-rally-ban-gains-support-as-woman-arrested-20241002-p5kf9t.html
    And Victoria Police will deploy more officers over the weekend and be given extra resources throughout October, as political leaders urged against timing pro-Palestinian vigils and protests with Monday’s anniversary of the October 7 attacks.
    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/police-unable-to-stop-melbourne-pro-palestine-protests-amid-pm-s-october-7-warning-20240928-p5ke77.html
    Plibersek’s coalmine decision is double trouble for climate and housing, writes Greg Jericho. He says the emissions impact is obvious but with full employment in construction, approving three mine extensions is saying you want workers there rather than building homes
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2024/oct/03/tanya-plibersek-coalmine-decision-climate-housing-emissions
    When Apple announced iOS 18, the latest version of its mobile operating system, most of the attention went to its slate of new AI features. But a lesser-known change may wind up being more important, warns Kevin Roose. He says it’s a tweak to an obscure feature that allows users to share their contact lists with various apps, He explains what this could mean to developers and users.
    https://www.smh.com.au/technology/end-of-the-world-the-apple-change-that-has-flown-under-the-radar-20241003-p5kfhk.html
    While the People’s Bank of China’s monetary blitz has ignited the share market, it doesn’t fix its economic crisis. A meeting later this month will tell us more, explains Stephen Bartholomeusz who reckons China is still in deep trouble.
    https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/china-s-100-billion-bazooka-won-t-fix-its-biggest-problem-20241002-p5kf6a.html
    Iran tried to light a ring of fire around Israel. But now Israel wields the blowtorch, writes Peter Hartcher who says that with the arsonist exposed, Tehran is in a very vulnerable position as it awaits Israel’s next move.
    https://www.smh.com.au/world/middle-east/iran-tried-to-light-a-ring-of-fire-around-israel-but-now-israel-wields-the-blowtorch-20241002-p5kfek.html
    Greg Sheridan is doubtless now too long in the tooth to change his journalistic ways. But it really is time that he recognised the force of that immortal observation by Shakespeare’s contemporary, Francis Bacon, that ‘Speaking in perpetual hyperbole is comely in nothing but love’, says Gareth Evans.
    https://johnmenadue.com/sheridan-wrong-on-wong/
    This is Code Red time for an Israel-Iran ballistic missile war, writes Thomas L Friedman. He says that Israel’s ability to anticipate the Iranian strike and name the precise hour of the attack, and the fact that it was a Revolutionary Guard operation – not the regular Iranian armed forces under the command of the new president – demonstrates how deeply the Mossad, Israel’s cyber command, Unit 8200 (Defence intelligence), and the Israeli air force have penetrated the Iranian regime and coordinated their defensive response. It means no Iranian leader can trust any other anymore.
    https://www.smh.com.au/world/middle-east/this-is-code-red-time-for-an-israel-iran-ballistic-missile-war-20241002-p5kf6e.html
    What if one of Iran’s missiles was a nuclear warhead? That possibility isn’t far off, opines Bret Stephens.
    https://www.smh.com.au/world/middle-east/what-if-one-of-iran-s-missiles-was-a-nuclear-warhead-that-possibility-isn-t-far-off-20241002-p5kfb2.html
    “After a fortnight of military triumph, what is Israel’s endgame?”, wonders Emma Graham-Harrison.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/02/after-a-fortnight-of-military-triumph-what-is-israels-endgame
    With the selection of J.D. Vance to be his vice president, Donald Trump wanted to double down on his America First agenda to make sure that he – the living martyr – wins re-election. And, with Vance as his political heir, Trump wanted to ensure that he supplanted Ronald Reagan as the greatest Republican of the past 120 years. Unfortunately for Trump, writes Bruce Wolpe, Vance parked his inner-mongrel and walked onto the stage for the vice-presidential debate to face his direct political enemy with civility. Trump will not be happy that Vance said Walz “even sounds pretty good” on the structure of the tax system.
    https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/vance-wasn-t-weird-in-the-vp-debate-and-that-will-infuriate-trump-20241002-p5kf9y.html
    JD Vance’s slick performance can’t hide the danger of another Trump presidency, says Margaret Sullivan.
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/02/jd-vances-slick-performance-cant-change-the-danger-of-another-trump-presidency
    Donald Trump “resorted to crimes” after losing the 2020 election, federal prosecutors said in a court filing unsealed overnight arguing that the former president disregarded the advice of his vice president and other aides and is not entitled to immunity from prosecution over his failed bid to remain in power. The filing was submitted by special counsel Jack Smith’s team following a Supreme Court opinion that conferred broad immunity on former presidents for official acts they take in office, narrowing the scope of the prosecution charging Trump with conspiring to overturn the results of the election he lost to Joe Biden.
    https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/trump-resorted-to-crimes-after-losing-2020-election-20241003-p5kfi3

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  14. Fargo61: “There used to be a confederate flag hanging on the back wall of the bar at the Sporting Shooters Association of Australia (SSAA) at Belmont in Brisbane. That was back in 1979, no idea if the flag is still there or not.”
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    As I recall, the bikers known as the Rebels like to display a modified Confederate flag on which a skull is superimposed.

  15. https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2024/oct/03/tanya-plibersek-coalmine-decision-climate-housing-emissions
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    Loving that trend since June ’22. The Labor Political Party (yeah, I’m going to keep using the phrase for as long as its appropriate) has not interest in climate change beyond the talking points.

    Beyond actually doing something about climate change, another piece of low hanging fruit that they have no interest in pursuing is being honest about our carbon abatement.
    Including land use, soil magic w/e in our emissions reductions, and excluding out of scope emissions proves the point. They’re not interested in actually reducing emissions, just being able to say they are.

  16. Customers are being “tricked” by supermarkets when a grocery item gets smaller and the price stays the same or, in some cases, goes up. The federal government is cracking down on the practice of “shrinkflation”, which it says has become increasingly common.
    In an example revealed by consumer advocacy group Choice, both Coles and Woolworths were selling a 560-gram box of home-brand cereal for $4.50. The same cereals are now only available in 495-gram boxes, however the price has stayed the same. In a more extreme case, a bottle of Jif bathroom cleaner that was $2.50 for 700 millilitres was reduced to 500 millilitres but the price jumped to $4.
    The federal government said it would crack down on shrinkflation by strengthening the Unit Pricing Code, which sets out how businesses must display unit prices. Unit pricing, which is the display of price by unit of measure such as per litre, has become increasingly important for shoppers.
    Almost 90 per cent of customers said they usually or always use unit pricing for their grocery shop, the national consumer watchdog noted in its interim report into the major supermarkets.
    Prime Minister Anthony Albanese confirmed the government will introduce “substantial penalties” for supermarkets that breach the code.
    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/8781292/government-to-review-unit-pricing-code-to-tackle-shrinkflation/?cs=14329

  17. The government’s management of the economy has helped bring inflation down and keep employment up, but it has much to learn about communication, writes Niki Savva but she says if Albanese repeats his performance over negative gearing, he can kiss the election goodbye. As usual, Savva is right on the money as she examines the current political landscape.

    Probably should appoint an official press secretary to communicate govt agenda, same as the POTUS has.

  18. “ I’d be interested in the views of Nicholas and others who advoctate position (b) whether they feel the same way about the Confederate flag? Should African-Americans and assorted US lefties who are outraged by it simply suck it up and stop being snowflakes?”

    meher baba, just out of interest, and because I get tired of the myth making that Abraham Lincoln fought the American Civil War to end slavery:

    Hon. Horace Greeley Executive Mansion
    Dear Sir Washington, August 22, 1862

    As to the policy I “seem to be pursuing” as you say, I have not meant to leave any one in doubt…

    My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that….

    Yours,

    A. LINCOLN

  19. Not bad from Savva. Even the rusted-ons were confused, so what hope for the rest of us.
    As for “we have no plans” I said at the time of the Stage 3 back flip that the trust was gone.
    That phrase needs to go, no one believes it anymore.

  20. Dorinda Cox federal Greens senator has had twenty staff quit her electorate office.

    “Proud Noongar woman”needs people skills.

  21. Morning all. Thanks for the roundup BK. I must add myself to the list of those agreeing with the Savva article. I never expected great oratory from Albo, but he must communicate clearly or vacate the job. Savva did him the service of saying exactly what he should have said in the final paragraph.

    “ An honest answer – that it would be negligent not to get expert advice on options to resolve a housing crisis and that any decisions would be informed by the evidence – usually works best. Certainly much, much better than slipping and sliding around treating people like fools.”

    Labor has achieved a lot on economic policy and it needs to sell that better.

  22. Having said Labor’s economic management has been good, there are still some issues where the problems go beyond messaging. Those include AUKUS, climate change and employment. We don’t need a jobs bonanza. We need better allocation of resources. That means saying no to some lobbyists, even from within Labor.

    For example:

    “ Plibersek’s coalmine decision is double trouble for climate and housing, writes Greg Jericho. He says the emissions impact is obvious but with full employment in construction, approving three mine extensions is saying you want workers there rather than building homes”
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2024/oct/03/tanya-plibersek-coalmine-decision-climate-housing-emissions

  23. If Israel was not created in 1948, would there be peace in the Middle East ?
    I’m not seriously asking anyone to definitively answer that thought, but am rather reflecting upon my earliest recollection of the problem and am asking myself to consider if anyone is better off after a multitude of not so long lasting solutions.
    A recent response from a Palestinian woman having mostly living a life in Lebanon, having cause to comment on the deaths, injuries and destruction in the ME, responded with Allah’s will.
    My feelings as I extradited myself from further conversation, was hopelessness.
    Certainly in my lifetime, the situation has not become “better”.
    Just more developed and technologically advanced weaponry.
    Abraham has a lot to answer for and everyone needs be careful how something is written and interpreted.

    Has Australia its own problem by refusing to address the underlying intention of the voice.

  24. For all the ranting and raving regarding the housing crisis, Melbourne town has been great for first home buyers of late.

    Investors are vacating the space due to stricter compliance that landlords provide a habitable space for tenants.

    Add to the increase in land tax, they don’t make good enough returns.

    Isn’t this the objective people want? Less competition with investors?

    Not according to the drivel being spouted on a daily basis.
    Driving home last night,I heard excerpt on radio that Melbourne was the worst city in Australia for housing. That was the full statement. No further words were uttered.

    Gaslighting doesn’t even begin to explain what we are being served. Pathetic.

  25. pied pipersays:
    Thursday, October 3, 2024 at 8:21 am
    [Dorinda Cox federal Greens senator has had twenty staff quit her electorate office.]

    [“Proud Noongar woman”needs people skills.}

    Certainly someone else needs a new skill set.

  26. Goll

    The mid east has been a mess ever since the disastrous errors of the Sykes Piqot agreement and Balfour declaration. There are multiple conflicts, not only Israel vs Palestine. So no there would not be mid east peace without Israel.

    However there might have been peace in Palestine without Israel, or the disastrous 2003 invasion of Iraq.

    I am not in favour of throwing up our arms in the air to avoid recognising bad decisions.

    That being said, Australia is incapable of fixing any of those conflicts so we should remain neutral. IMO politically Australia should cut support for Israel. That policy will become increasingly untenable as the muslim population grows.

  27. Taylormadesays:
    Thursday, October 3, 2024 at 8:12 am
    [Not bad from Savva. Even the rusted-ons were confused, so what hope for the rest of us.]
    [As for “we have no plans” I said at the time of the Stage 3 back flip that the trust was gone.]
    [That phrase needs to go, no one believes it anymore.]

    People believe “what they want to believe” and “they ain’t for changing”

  28. Regarding Israel, Joe Biden once said that if Israel had not already existed, the US would have had to have invented it. I’d be interested to know just what exactly Biden meant by this statement.

  29. Victoria 8.52am
    [Gaslighting doesn’t even begin to explain what we are being served. Pathetic.]

    I had that moment yesterday listening to something being broadcast by the ABC!

  30. I have thought for a while Bandt has a tenuous grip on the Greens leadership.
    In fact a tenuous grip on many things. like reality.

    This quote from the story on the ructions in Senator Cox’s office says it’s all.

    “The leader’s office has no legal power to resolve disputes between staff and any individual senator’s office, and if any member of staff raises a complaint, they are encouraged and offered support to pursue it through the independent PWSS, and that occurred here,” the spokesperson said.

    No legal power?

    Nothing to see here. Move along.

  31. pied pipersays:
    Thursday, October 3, 2024 at 9:13 am
    [Israel is a great democracy surrounded by dictatorships and terrorist states.]

    Some in the ME may disagree!

  32. Heshbollah killed 83 peacekeepers. You would think the Greens might just stop and think before they take up the cudgels on Heshbollah behalf.
    Bandt needs to stop leading on this bit of extremism. So does Dutton. The petrol bomb twins.

  33. Boerwarsays:
    Thursday, October 3, 2024 at 9:14 am
    Banquo is saying that Labor has done nothing for climate action.
    Big Lie.
    _________________
    Data doesn’t lie – Labor Political Party loves carbon dioxide, and methane, and mines, and billionaires. Climate, environment, pollution reduction, renewables, housing, education, health, welfare? Not so much.

  34. banquo911says:
    Thursday, October 3, 2024 at 7:56 am

    If you were an apple would you be capable of falling to the ground, gravity is a hoax, right?

  35. FUBAR
    Noongar should use the apotheosis of Western Civilization, Trump, as their benchmark for behaviours that can be approved by whitefellas such as your perfect self.

  36. Boerwar says:
    Thursday, October 3, 2024 at 9:13 am

    One of those times by the West Australians of the 10th Light Horse Regiment in the Van of the advance of the ANZAC Mounted Divisions.

  37. Boerwar says:
    Thursday, October 3, 2024 at 9:29 am
    FUBAR
    Noongar should use the apotheosis of Western Civilization, Trump, as their benchmark for behaviours that can be approved by whitefellas such as your perfect self.

    WTF?

    You’re happy for them to waste billions?

  38. I’d be interested in the views of Nicholas and others who advoctate position (b) whether they feel the same way about the Confederate flag? Should African-Americans and assorted US lefties who are outraged by it simply suck it up and stop being snowflakes?

    Yes. That should be allowed. It’s allowed in the United States. Have you heard of the First Amendment? We should have that constitutional protection here.

    Nobody ever got killed by a flag. And if you think that the Australian Government’s list of proscribed organisations reflects anything more than subjective political calculations you are naive. That list isn’t an arbiter of truth. If we ban non-government flags because the organisations commit war crimes then logically and morally we should be banning all of the nation state flags associated with those crimes too. What I propose is democratic, simpler, and not authoritarian: Let all the freak flags fly. Like the First Amendment protections in the United States.

  39. FUBAR
    Maybe Noongar should style themselves after an honest man like Morrison before they meet with FUBAR’s stamp of approval?

  40. [The petrol bomb twins]

    An interesting metaphor, once thought to be unimaginable for the entities mentioned, but now seemingly appropriate.

  41. Boerwarsays:
    Thursday, October 3, 2024 at 9:35 am
    ____________________
    1.3 BILLION TONNES Boer. Stealing workers away from building houses and wind farms so we can dig rocks and kill koalas. Bloody brilliant

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