Polls: RedBridge Group and Roy Morgan (open thread)

Two polls showing Labor leading 50.5-49.5, one with further results on visas for Palestinians, gambling ads and AUKUS.

Two new federal polls have emerged in the past few days, both showing Labor leading 50.5-49.5 on two-party preferred. RedBridge Group’s results are an improvement for Labor on their last poll in mid-July, which had the Coalition leading 51.5-48.5. The primary votes are Labor 33% (up one), Coalition 38% (down three) and Greens 12% (up one). The accompanying release has results to an array of further questions, including a finding that 32% support visas for Palestinians fleeing Gaza, with 44% opposed; and 72% support for a total ban on online gambling advertising, with 16% opposed; and a mixed bag of favourable and neutral results on AUKUS. The poll was conducted August 20 to 27 from a sample of 2017.

The weekly Roy Morgan poll has Labor down one on the primary vote to 30.5%, the Coalition down two to 37.5%, the Greens steady at 13% and One Nation up two to 6%. The 50.5-49.5 two-party result compares with a 51-49 Coalition lead last week. The two-party result based on 2022 election preference flows has the Labor lead at 51-49, after a 50-50 result last time. The poll was conducted Monday to Sunday from a sample of 1697.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

755 comments on “Polls: RedBridge Group and Roy Morgan (open thread)”

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  1. Ante Meridian @ #123 Wednesday, September 4th, 2024 – 2:27 pm

    The cost of all goods and services is influenced by two factors, supply and demand.

    The cost of goods and services is not affected by either supply or demand. The cost of any good or service is affected by the individual costs of the necessary inputs to produce it, and deliver it to its point of purchase.

    Goods’ and services’ prices, however, are determined by whatever the businesses producing them can convince, or in the case of monopoly or insufficient competition, effectively force, the buyers to pay. Marketing strategies are complex, and produce strange results. For instance, people will insist that, for instance, Norco ‘full cream’ milk is worth the premium of a 30% higher price than Coles brand milk, even though the two products have identical specifications, and are formulated and bottled in exactly the same factory, one becoming the other by changing the labels applied to the bottles as they are filled.

    The same observation applies to many products. On a like for like comparison, Aldi groceries are around 30% cheaper than Colesworths (which are in lockstep with each other). Many people are cult like in their adherence to ‘brands’, to their detriment. It is possible to apply intelligent discernment to purchasing decisions, but marketers spend most of their time working hard to make sure that a high proportion of people are convinced, by nonsensical ‘vibes’, ‘auras’ and ‘brands’, that one label is better than others. Me, I am convinced that a ‘no questions asked’ refund policy is probably a good indicator of product quality.

  2. You need to take a good hard look at yourself if you’re allowing yourself to be fooled by grifters and stooges like Morrison, Dutton and Albanese.

  3. Fubar…..
    In your case I am sure “Albotross” Albanese will make an exception.
    I doubt you are an idiot but then you come out with so much dross/bile/anger/foul language/meaningless challenges to all the forces of evil you perceive on the left side of politics – which is idiotic – so someone coming fresh on your rants here would certainly wonder.
    What happened to the cool-headed graduate from Duntroon?

  4. FUBAR @ #150 Wednesday, September 4th, 2024 – 3:32 pm

    Weather is not climate. Extreme weather events have bene occurring since the earth developed an atmosphere and will continue to happen until it is swallowed by the Sun. Claiming that manmade climate change is “causing” extreme weather events is unscientific garbage.

    Climate is not weather. The significant increase in extreme weather events that have been well studied and documented over the last few decades are not due to weather. They are due to changes in the climate, and will continue to happen as long as we continue to pump greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. Claiming that manmade climate change is “not causing” extreme weather events is unscientific garbage.

  5. yabba says: Wednesday, September 4, 2024 at 3:32 pm:

    “The cost of goods and services is not affected by either supply or demand.”

    Of course not, spiralling house prices and rents, nothing to do with supply and demand.
    Record prices for second hand vehicles during and just after Covid, nothing to do with supply and demand.
    The price off a 1930 penny, compared to other Australian numismatics, obviously nothing to do with supply and demand.

    Yabba… “Goods’ and services’ prices, however, are determined by whatever the businesses producing them can convince, or in the case of monopoly or insufficient competition, effectively force, the buyers to pay.”

    Which strangely, some might think of as demand.

  6. “ Anyone who believes everything that comes out of Netanyahu’s mouth is certainly in the running.”

    I wouldn’t believe ANYTHING that comes out of Netanyahu’s mouth. He has now described Britain as “shameful” for suspending some arms shipments. Not a great way to endear yourself to your second biggest ally and pretty cheeky coming from someone with no shame at all.

    It’s a pretty sad state of affairs when Albanese makes Reagan and Thatcher look ethical.

    “In addition to allowing the UN resolutions to pass and suspending the F-16 delivery, Reagan also restricted aid and military assistance to Israel to help force its withdrawal of troops from Beirut and central Lebanon.”

    https://theweek.com/politics/fury-as-uk-suspends-some-arms-sales-to-israel

    “In 1982, Britain’s then prime minister Margaret Thatcher suspended arms licences to Israel altogether in response to its invasion of Lebanon. The embargo was lifted in 1994, although briefly reimposed in 2002 after it emerged that UK-made weapons were being used in the Palestinian territories, in breach of usage agreements.”

    https://theweek.com/politics/fury-as-uk-suspends-some-arms-sales-to-israel

  7. In for a penny in for a…

    Khamenei is at least as bad as Netanyahu. Why does that matter? Because Iran is the thought leader, trainer, funder and supplier of weapons supplier for Hamas, Heshbollah and the Houthis.

  8. The chair of Australia’s National Housing Supply and Affordability Council, Susan Lloyd-Hurwitz says more scrutiny of landlords “could be useful”

    Do you think?

  9. ‘Eddy says:
    Wednesday, September 4, 2024 at 4:16 pm

    The chair of Australia’s National Housing Supply and Affordability Council, Susan Lloyd-Hurwitz says more scrutiny of landlords “could be useful”

    Do you think?’
    ————–
    Absolutely. And of tenants. In both cases the bad apples spoil the broth.

  10. ‘Steve777 says:
    Wednesday, September 4, 2024 at 4:17 pm

    The law of supply and demand works quite well for a spherical cow in a vacuum…’
    ——————
    haha.

  11. Badthinker, the National Housing Supply and Affordability Council is a federal government agency. One can usually discover stuff like that by googling it.
    Thanks Luigi.
    So, part of the Albanese Government spin empire.
    “Immigtration is not a driver of house prices” or WTTE.

  12. That’s interesting.

    I have been unable to get an assessment of the national costs to landlords of tenant damage and neglect above and beyond fair wear and tear.

    I am sure Max will be telling us any day how much it comes to.

  13. “ Khamenei is at least as bad as Netanyahu”

    Really?

    Sure he’s bad but he’s not that bad. You continually assert genocide ‘intent’ of all sides, but never acknowledge only one side is being investigated by the International Court of Justice for ‘actual’ genocide.

  14. ABC update for last Northern territory seat in doubt just through Greens up by over 40 votes.

    Preferences have been “ rethrown ”whatever that means!

  15. Eddy says:
    Wednesday, September 4, 2024 at 4:21 pm

    The ICJ doesn’t have the jurisdiction to act against terrorist organisations like Hamas – that’s why Hamas isn’t before the ICJ for their atrocities.

  16. @Eddy:
    “You continually assert genocide ‘intent’ of all sides, but never acknowledge only one side is being investigated by the International Court of Justice for ‘actual’ genocide.”

    That is not how it works.

    Countries bring cases to the court. The court isn’t a policeman choosing who it investigates. And only countries can be targets of the court (yes Israel could institute a case vs Iran, but I doubt they see any particular point in doing so).

    This is the second time is as many days I’ve noticed you trying this thing of trying to minimise the actions and stated intentions of both Hamas and Iran regarding the killing of Jews (not “just” Israelis). And for the second time, let me remind you that calling out the actions of Israel doesn’t require you to pretend Hamas or Iran are nicer than they are.

  17. Badthinker, if you watch the National Press Club broadcast that I mentioned earlier, you’ll hear Ms Lloyd-Hurwitz emphasise the point that student visa holders (the vast majority of the current influx) have a negligible effect on house prices because they don’t buy houses.

  18. Israel democratically elects Iran corruptly elects.

    Visa holders drive rentals up causing prop price increases via investors taking advantage by buying property in a tradie constrained market.

  19. Pied pipersays:
    Wednesday, September 4, 2024 at 4:24 pm
    ABC update for last Northern territory seat in doubt just through Greens up by over 40 votes.

    Preferences have been “ rethrown ”whatever that means!

    CLP is up on both the NTEC site and the ABC site.

  20. Eddy says:
    Wednesday, September 4, 2024 at 4:38 pm
    “ Israel democratically elects…”

    It’s not possible to have be both democratic and apartheid.

    You think that the Occupied Territories are a part of Israel and vote?

  21. Luigi Smithsays:
    Wednesday, September 4, 2024 at 4:32 pm
    Badthinker, if you watch the National Press Club broadcast that I mentioned earlier, you’ll hear Ms Lloyd-Hurwitz emphasise the point that student visa holders (the vast majority of the current influx) have a negligible effect on house prices because they don’t buy houses.

    I went to Uni with a number of international students whose parents had bought the properties that they were living in while studying.

    One, lovely girl, was just about to transfer out of her Business Degree in third year without completing it, to enrol in Architecture – because that was a five year degree to add to the two and a half years she had already been here.

  22. ‘Eddy says:
    Wednesday, September 4, 2024 at 4:21 pm

    “ Khamenei is at least as bad as Netanyahu”

    Really?

    Sure he’s bad but he’s not that bad. You continually assert genocide ‘intent’ of all sides, but never acknowledge only one side is being investigated by the International Court of Justice for ‘actual’ genocide.’
    ——————
    Genocide has become somewhat of a debased term, it is true.

    The Iranian embassy in Australia spews out genocidal hatred of the jews on a regular basis. There are plenty of statements of genocidal intent from senior Iranian government levels. Of course intent alone does not make for genocide.

    You have to be trying to implement the intent. Iran itself has fired over 300 missiles at Israel during the present conflict. It arms, trains and funds Hamas, Heshbollah and the Houthis all of whose leaders have made genocidal statements of intent and all of whom have done their best to implement their vision statements using force.

    I know that the Greens give sort of mystical value to the ICJ. But we don’t need the ICJ to make a judgement about Iran’s genocidal behaviours. Apart from that, the ICJ does not cover non-state players like Hamas, Heshbollah and the Houthis.

    Your arguments tacitly defending Iran are built on sand.

    As noted above, there is no real difference between Netanyahu and Khamenei. The interesting lack of balance thing is that we never hear the end of Netanyahu from the Greens. They are nearly always silent on Khamenei.

  23. Sorry – just found the updated page you were referring to.

    It would help when you are making statements like that if you provide a link to the page.

    ALP lost all Darwin seats.

  24. FUBAR,

    “ Amnesty International’s new investigation shows that Israel imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians across all areas under its control: in Israel and the OPT, and against Palestinian refugees, in order to benefit Jewish Israelis. This amounts to apartheid as prohibited in international law.”

    https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/

    But of course I’d take your opinion over Amnesty International’s investigation.

  25. Eddy says:
    Wednesday, September 4, 2024 at 4:46 pm

    Amnesty International are not an honest broker when it comes to Israel. They have been captured by the anti-Israel/Anti-Zionist anti-Semites for decades.

  26. @Rewi – the ICC and ICJ are not the same entities.

    Eddy was talking about the ICJ, which handles cases between nation-states.

    The ICC deals with war crimes by individuals, not states.

  27. Arky

    I’m happy to concede that point while also suggesting that the ICC having the jurisdiction for war crimes and crimes against humanity, and having commenced an investigation, might have been the institution to which Eddy meant to refer.

    Edit: But maybe not. Maybe they were referring to the ICJ referral.

    Edit 2: Also, I was skimming along and may have confused myself in haste.

  28. I know the Northern Territory is small (population-wise) but it’s still quite something to check an NT electoral page and see that the total enrolment for this seat of Nightcliff is under 6,000, so 42 votes is significant (also, the seat is so small that it must be practical for candidates to literally try and speak with every voter in their seat during a campaign, good luck doing that with the 50,000 in a mainland state seat or the 110,000 in a Federal seat).

    I mean, that’s so small that if you hear a local family of 6 staunch Labor or Liberal voters has moved to the next suburb, you can adjust the pendulum for those seats by 0.1% each….

    Someone could probably win an election in NT with big data and aggressive micro-targeting of swinging voters, if only winning an election in NT wasn’t a poisoned chalice that puts you in charge of some seriously intractable problems, and also crocodiles, so why would you even want to make that kind of effort?

  29. “ Iran itself has fired over 300 missiles at Israel during the present conflict”

    For which it gave prior warning, allowing all to be shot down and no one getting killed.

    Whereas:

    “ Israel’s ground and air campaign in Gaza has killed more than 40,000 people, mostly civilians, and driven most of the enclave’s 2.3 million people from their homes.”

    https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-death-toll-how-many-palestinians-has-israels-campaign-killed-2024-07-25/

    Which maybe answers this question.

    “ The interesting lack of balance thing is that we never hear the end of Netanyahu from the Greens. They are nearly always silent on Khamenei.”

  30. Good post on Labor losing in 2019 Lordbain. The Greens caravan trip to Qld didn’t help but Labor was a basket case in Qld before that happened and the downward trend in Labor seats was repeated. Ironically, the very seat that the Labor PM from Qld held (Rudd in Griffith) has now also gone- to the Greens. QLD has been a travel warning zone for Labor long before 2o19 and flipping Liberal seats up there will be harder now the member for Dickson is the next possible Qld PM. I doubt it, but Labor won’t be getting any joy out of Qld any time soon.

  31. EF, the greens convoy certainly didn’t help, but I’m glad to demonstrate it isn’t the smoking gun. And yeh, between the state and federal elections I don’t see Labor getting any love in the cities (greens stalking in the inner city) and the regions.

    And some good news from the NT with Nightcliff; Arky I imagine your right and that with a margin of 42 votes that’s basically friends and family.

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