While they are yet to chalk one up in Newspoll, Coalition two-party poll leads are seemingly becoming less uncommon, as the BludgerTrack poll trend measure (see sidebar) maintains its long slow trajectory in their favour:
• RedBridge Group has a federal poll that credits the Coalition with a two-party preferred lead of 51.5-48.5, compared with a Labor lead of 52-48 at the last such poll in April, and the first lead for the Coalition out of the seven such polls RedBridge has conducted this term. The primary votes are Labor 32% (down one), Coalition 41% (up four) and Greens 11% (down one). The poll was conducted July 10 to 19 from a sample of 1505.
• I neglected to record the result of the weekly Roy Morgan poll this week, so let the record note it found the Coalition leading 51-49 on two-party preferred (though with Labor leading 50.5-49.5 on the pollster’s own calculation using preference flows from 2022), out from 50.5-49.5 last week. The primary votes were Labor 31.5% (up half), Coalition 39.5% (up two), Greens 13% (up half) and One Nation 5% (steady). The poll was conducted last Monday to Sunday from a sample of 1752.
Preselection news:
• Rhiannon Shine of the ABC reports Mia Davies, former leader of the state Nationals, has confirmed she will seek the party’s preselection for the new federal seat of Bullwinkel, encompasses Perth’s eastern hinterland and the Avon Valley region.
• With Linda Burney announcing her imminent retirement from politics, James O’Doherty of the Daily Telegraph reports former New South Wales upper house member Shaoquett Moselmane will seek preselection for her southern Sydney seat of Barton. Moselmane failed to retain preselection at the 2023 state election after facing pressure over links to figures connected with the Chinese Communist Party, which resulted in his home being raided in ASIO, and has lately called on Labor to recognise a Palestinian state. Also announcing his retirement last week was Brendan O’Connor, creating a Labor vacancy at the next election for his safe western Melbourne seat of Gorton.
• The Nationals candidate for the western New South Wales seat of Calare will be Sam Farraway, who has held a seat for the party in the state Legislative Council since 2019. Andrew Gee has held the seat as an independent since resigning from the party in December 2022.
• Paul Garvey of The Australian reports Jan Norberger, the sole nominee for Liberal preselection in the Perth seat of Pearce, quit the party a year ago for an unsuccessful Senate preselection bid with Australian Christians, then returned to it afterwards. Norberger held the state seat of Joondalup for the Liberals from 2013 to 2017.
• Sarah Elks of The Australian reports the Greens will target the Labor-held Brisbane seats of Moreton and Lilley at the next election, and that former LNP member Trevor Evans is “seriously considering” running again in Brisbane, which he lost to the Greens in 2022.
“ Because you really want Australia to be left high and dry. ”
Honesty C@t: don’t let actual facts mug your reality.
OHFUCKUS – from Day 1 – opened up a huge capability gap. Just one that a whole bunch of fibs by Defence and the Canberra political establishment tried to cover up.
The fundamental problem was Morrison’s deception of our then French partners. Had we not cancelled the attack class program outright, but merely committed to the first four to six boats and also invited the French to submit a nuclear subs proposal to be considered alongside the US & UK options then the risk of Australia being left ‘high and dry’ would have been eliminated. We really would have had the whip hand in negotiations and could have headed off the massive risk exposes that now exist with going with BAE as our principal contracting partner.
But no. We chose stupidly; and have been doubling down with stupid ever since. Worst deal in history.
Essential Primaries are up…
* ALP 32% (up 3 – big jump)
* LNP 34% (up 1)
* GRN 11% (down 2 – bit of a drop)
* Pauline 7 % (down 1)
* Clive 2% (down 1)
* Others/Indies 14% (steady)
Link: https://essentialreport.com.au/reports/federal-political-insights
Thank you, BK.
‘PageBoi says:
Tuesday, July 30, 2024 at 7:40 am
No voting intentions in this week’s essential, but those favourability and general direction of the country responses are pretty dire for the government.
If true,…’
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Why wouldn’t they be true?
The Thug and the Bandicoot have delayed and or blocked every single major Labor initiative. They are currently blocking six major Labor initiatives. The Greens then turn around an squeal about nothing being done. Destructive hypocrisy at its worst.
The motivation of the Greens is clear: they WANT to destroy the Labor Government. They want a minority government.
You guys should be ecstatic. But…
But are Dutton’s patsies instead heading for a reprise of the lost decade when the activities of the Greens were designed to undermine Labor to the benefit of Abbott, Turnbull and Morrison?
Labor -1
Coalition +2.2
Greens +.5
Phone +2.1
That is plus 4.3% to the Rightards, half of it to the ultra extreme rightards!
FFS wake up to what you are doing!
But if the Senate can deliver all the delay and blocks already then all a minority government in the House may well do is add to the delays and the blockages.
And there is always the prospect of an extremist Left BOP in the House and an extremist right BOP in the Senate.
Our governance system is failing us.
Lucky Starmer! No Thug. No Bandicoot. He just gets on with it.
Socrates @ #399 Tuesday, July 30th, 2024 – 8:22 am
And that is so misrepresenting the actuality of what will be between now and the first constructed submarine rolling off the line. Australia is being given already constructed Virginia Class submarines and we are going to be covered by submarines from the AUKUS pact.
I really don’t know why you have developed this irrational hatred of AUKUS, Socrates? You seem to come here every day with some new Anti AUKUS mouthpiece to parade around as if they mattered, when the truth is that both sides of politics who can form an Australian government are committed to AUKUS. Which is simply going to leave embittered Anti AUKUS curmudgeons like you crying into your beer forever and ranting and raving to no end.
Remember, Essential does not excluded undecideds from its results. Undeicided is 6%, Ind/Oth is 9%.
nadia88 @ #402 Tuesday, July 30th, 2024 – 8:31 am
Andrew_Earlwood @ #401 Tuesday, July 30th, 2024 – 8:30 am
I reiterate the basic point to French fanbois like you and Socrates…BOTH sides of politics who are parties of government are committed to AUKUS. You two better learn to deal with that FACT. It’s going ahead whether you like it or not, and obviously you don’t. But what can you do about it? Keep shouting into the void? Vote Liberal? Lol.
Local plebiscite in action. This is hyper local but I like that there is the ability for residents of an LGA to trigger a vote on a significant development in their urban environment. This is my kind of democracy.
This elector poll was trigger in Clarence, the eastern shore of Hobart, so that residents could decide if a green corridor would be developed into a 2 oval high performance centre for the new AFL team. I’m on the fence about the outcome, it’s a different LGA, but selfishly I’d like this to go down so the high performance centre is build in my LGA 🙂
https://www.tec.tas.gov.au/local-government/elector-polls/2024/clarence-city/about-the-poll.html
C@t
Aukus is such a case of hope over experience it isn’t even funny. So many things have to go perfectly right for the US to even consider actually giving us Virginia’s, it’s pretty much a dereliction of duty to the country to put all of our eggs in that particular basket, and to have the gall to call it an ‘optimum pathway’ is such pure sophistry that I’m surprised albo and marles can keep a straight face when the topic is mentioned
Then to think that we will be getting a unicorn submarine design that doesn’t exist, partnering with the British who can’t even build a surface frigate on time or even close to budget and who have NEVER had what you would call a successful submarine build program (in terms of time and cost)
Then there’s the small matter of that face that if the US do actually give us any Virginia’s, it will be because they can assume they will be part of any future US containment malarkey against China, so it’s basically signing us up for that war too, and all at a cost of at least half a trillion dollars
Truly, even if you believe that a nuclear capability is essential for our Navy, it’s hard to think of a riskier way to go about it than what the government is proposing.
IMO it’s the single worst decision of this government
I’m not sure what’s worse, that albo was too scared of a potential wedge that he signed up for it more or less sight unseen (and then persisted with it after the election), or that he’s so desperate to protect his precious budget surplus (again competing on the coalition’s terms rather than reframing the debate) that he is happy to sell out the Australian ship and sub building industry whilst subsidizing the US and UK ones.
But of course the ALP leader endorses it so you have to unthinkingly accept it as gospel, and that’s perhaps the saddest of all
Because if the ALP and coalition agree on something it therefore MUST be good policy……. Fuck me dead
Have you ever wondered what is thee story behind JD in the name of JD Vance.
Here is the story by Associated Press regarding that
What’s in a name? JD Vance has had many of them
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/7/29/2258999/-What-s-in-a-name-JD-Vance-has-had-many-of-them?pm_campaign=front_page&pm_source=top_news_slot_3&pm_medium=web
PageBoi @ #409 Tuesday, July 30th, 2024 – 8:51 am
And, using your perverse logic, if they don’t agree, therefore it must be right. 🙄
Timeline is :
Abbott signed us up to Japanese Soryus, which was possibly the only good thing he ever did
Mal axed that and signed up on for French subs, not a s good as Soryu but not bad
Scotty signed us up for Nuclear Subs, which doesn’t make much sense
Albo confirmed the Nuclear subs, which exposes Labor’s antiNuclear credentials as a joke.
Where to once Albo is flicked, we’ve burnt Japan and France?
Ooh, someone gets my fire extinguisher, c@t burned me good…….
Of course you don’t defend Aukus on its merits, because you can’t…..
Coalition on 32 primary is dreadful.
That sound you hear is Angus Taylor drumming up support. But is it too late to ditch the Dud Dutton?
https://www.pollbludger.net/2024/07/29/redbridge-group-51-5-48-5-to-coalition-open-thread/comment-page-8/#comment-4338413
The messaging out of centrist HQ will change, else it might not even be minority fed gov, let alone reduce majority fed gov, after the 2025 Australian Federal Election.
Just like dreadnoughts have gone aircraft carriers and subs, preparing the military through special forces, space, rotating allies and partners and friends through, platforms (like launching standoff weaponry out of the back of Globemasters, patrol boats and corvettes instead of amphibious assault baby carriers), drones, using emergency funding for preparation rather than clean up and civil defence (them subs will be of little use for hotter, wetter more extreme weather), AI will defeat capital assets.
Anyway, there should be war powers reform, especially for conflicts more than 1000 kilometers from Australia’s EZ or territorial waters.
Of course trade/ diplomacy can forestall much.
Harris blasts new ‘Trump abortion ban’ in Iowa
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/7/29/2259058/-Harris-blasts-new-Trump-abortion-ban-in-Iowa?pm_campaign=front_page&pm_source=top_news_slot_4&pm_medium=web
“Vice President Kamala Harris redefined the abortion debate on Monday, putting the responsibility for state bans squarely on Donald Trump. Responding to the harsh, six-week ban that took effect in Iowa on Monday, she called it what it is: a “Trump abortion ban.”
“Today Iowa put in place a Trump abortion ban, which makes Iowa the 22nd state in our country to have a Trump abortion ban, and this ban is going to take effect before many women even know they’re pregnant,” she said in a video released by her campaign. “What this means is that 1 in 3 women of reproductive age in America lives in a state with a Trump abortion ban.”
That’s three times she said the word “abortion” and three times she made Trump own these extreme state laws.
Iowa follows Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina in banning abortion after a fetal “heartbeat” can be detected, at about six weeks of gestation. What’s actually being heard, medical experts say, is electrical pulses as the system that will eventually become a heart forms. There’s no science behind these bans, just the policy of punishing women.
Beyond Harris, Democrats were quick to respond. Here’s Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker, welcoming Iowans to come to his state for care.
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Badthinker says:
Tuesday, July 30, 2024 at 9:03 am
Timeline is :
Abbott signed us up to Japanese Soryus, which was possibly the only good thing he ever did
Mal axed that and signed up on for French subs, not a s good as Soryu but not bad
Scotty signed us up for Nuclear Subs, which doesn’t make much sense
And you spend all day and night here supporting this clown car.
Talk about putting our foreign relations in the dumpster – the clean up in aisle Liberal will require several terms to complete
@C@ (off the handle once again):
“ And that is so misrepresenting the actuality of what will be between now and the first constructed submarine rolling off the line. Australia is being given already constructed Virginia Class submarines and we are going to be covered by submarines from the AUKUS pact.
I really don’t know why you have developed this irrational hatred of AUKUS, Socrates? You seem to come here every day with some new Anti AUKUS mouthpiece to parade around as if they mattered, when the truth is that both sides of politics who can form an Australian government are committed to AUKUS. Which is simply going to leave embittered Anti AUKUS curmudgeons like you crying into your beer forever and ranting and raving to no end.”
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1. Socrates criticism in his first post was focused on the BAE part of OHFUCKUS. Not the Virginia Class ‘interim’ component that the Americans have pledge to provide as ‘an interim’. Yet you go off like a Catherine wheel on cracker night. You just didn’t comphrehend the criticism.
2. Your vile spray against Socrates ignores the fact that HE was in fact one of the most prominent supporters of OHFUCKUS ‘in principle’ when it was announced – and for the next 18 months at least.
You really should apologise.
More to the point, even an OHFUCKUS fan-girl like you should see the massive massive massive risks associated with BAE being the prime contracting partner to deliver a mature SSN design for Australia that doesn’t even exist. One whose concept that is based on the Dreadnaught SSBN design – which is facing massive program problems as we discuss this. Just like just about every BAE marine program, including the very very very troubled Type 26/Hunter Class frigate programs – which are already gouging the Australian tax payer for $50 billion for a capability that is now not a priority according to the Government’s own defence strategic review.
3. As an aside. You mention ‘already constructed’ Virginia class subs being delivered to the RAN. IMO m- and that of most clear headed analysts – that is unlikely to happen because it is due to when America has its own capability gap which it cant avoid, no matter how quickly it spools up production of Virginia Class subs in the next decade (2032 and 2035).
4. However both Socrates (I presume) and I acknowledge that there is a realistic pathway for the Americans to deliver NEW Virginia Class Block VII boats to Australia from about 2038 onwards because by then the American capability gap will have bottomed out with the retirement of the last Los Angles class boats, and by then the American boat building yards should be putting out three boats (2 SSNs and 1 SSBN) per year (or more).
What I have spent most of my time posting on this board when talking about subs is to emphasis two points – both made on the assumption that we will end up persisting with OHFUCKUS – or some variation of it:
1. We should simply ‘cut to the chase’ and abandon the plan to receive two second hand Block IV boats in 2032 and 2035 but lock in FOUR new Block VII boats to be delivered to the RAN on a ‘one boat every two years’ drum beat from 2038.
2. If the ‘SSN-AUKUS’ class is to become an actual reality then IMO the Americans must take over the program. BAE Marine are a disaster. The US Electric Boat company should become the prime contracting partner (not just called in as consultants from time to time to help get BAE out of the poo from time to time), and a common reference design for use by all three navies should be arrived at. BAE and ASC then could become sub contracting partners – much like Lockheed Martin is with the second boat building yard at H&I Virginia.
That buffoon Pie Shop Pat’s pledge to build all at SSN-AUKUS boats in Adelaide should be abandoned in lieu of a plan that would see ASC building specified modules that would then be capable of being used in the construction for submarines for all three navies – plus the assembly of modules that are first manufactured across all three countries – to construct RAN submarines at Osborne in Adelaide. THAT should be doable given a 20 year time frame to spool up from a next to zero manufacturing base that exists right now.
PageBoi,
You can try your best withering criticism on me if you like, but it’s not going to make a jot of difference. Just like your mates with their silly schoolboy level names for AUKUS. It’s going ahead, whether you lot spend the next 30 years wailing about it and having tantrums about it or not. You need to get used to the fact. It’s certainly not going to be destroyed by The Greens, or those, speaking about unicorns, Unicorn Independents you love to push hard for in your Nationals-held seat of Page. I honestly think it is comical to read the screeds of Anti AUKUS types here, who believe they can change the outcome. Guess what? They can’t. But knock yourselves out trying. I guess you’ve got the time to waste thinking you can do…something about it.
I’ll just be safe in the knowledge that I have actually been to Puget Sound and I know for a fact that AUKUS is going full steam ahead. 🙂
‘PageBoi says:
Tuesday, July 30, 2024 at 8:51 am
Because if the ALP and coalition agree on something it therefore MUST be good policy……. Fuck me dead’
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Reality Check. It is the Greens who routinely get in bed with Dutton.
The Greens process goes like this:
1. Our extreme position is the ONLY good position.
2. Anything less is therefore no good.
3. We will reluctantly accept something less than our extreme position.
4. We will brag about the changes we have wrought.
5. We will criticize Labor for being not good enough.
6. We will not accept responsibility for the budgetary implications.
7. The major beneficiaries of this arsehattery are Dutton and Hanson.
8. Any delay will be blamed on Labor.
Now. There was recently a loud and noisy demand from the Greens that wages be increased by 40%.
How do steps 1-8 go with that? Negotiate it down to 30% and trash the economy and get blamed because 30% is not good enough and the economy is being trashed?
What?
‘https://www.theguardian.com/environment/article/2024/jul/30/as-record-heat-risks-bleaching-73-of-the-worlds-coral-reefs-scientists-ask-what-do-we-do-now’
What do we do now?
It is not that hard.
Globally, we double tourism air traffic over the next ten years.
On a national basis we have complete acceptance by all parties that the more tourism, the better. The Greens, who should know better, are on board with Dutton once again.
Hara Kiri Tourism, coming to a resort near you.
Andrew_Earlwood,
There is some validity to your post at 9.11am. However, I make 2, equally valid, points about it. Firstly, after 14 years of Tory stuff-ups of just about every project their government tendered out to companies like BAE Marine, there is now a very capable Prime Minister and new Defence Minister in charge of AUKUS at the UK end and thus your criticism has become essentially moot as a result. Sure, in the past your criticism was valid but I just don’t think that will be the case anymore. You should know that you can’t argue a case based on past behaviour which is irrelevant to a completely changed scenario. We’ll see, I guess. One of us will be wrong, and with the West’s new focus on combatting China and Russia by becoming more well-organised wrt their manufacturing, and especially Defence manufacturing, bases, then it’s my contention that we will see companies such as BAE et al, straighten up and fly right. There’s too much hanging on the outcome to just let private companies go their own insufficient way.
Also, I don’t know if I was being lied to when I visited Puget Sound, but the distinct impression I was given was that the Americans are committed to providing Australia what we have been promised, on the timeline agreed to. They may have a ‘capability gap’ but it’s nothing like ours, and they recognise that fact implicitly.
Also, if Socrates was upset by anything I said, I apologise. Absolutely.
Nate Silver is turning his election forecaster back on tomorrow
https://www.natesilver.net/p/kamala_mode-will-be-activated-tomorrow
‘Ven says:
Tuesday, July 30, 2024 at 9:09 am
Harris blasts new ‘Trump abortion ban’ in Iowa
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/7/29/2259058/-Harris-blasts-new-Trump-abortion-ban-in-Iowa?pm_campaign=front_page&pm_source=top_news_slot_4&pm_medium=web
“Vice President Kamala Harris redefined the abortion debate on Monday, putting the responsibility for state bans squarely on Donald Trump. Responding to the harsh, six-week ban that took effect in Iowa on Monday, she called it what it is: a “Trump abortion ban.”
…’
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Whammo!
If there was any doubt as to whether it was a good idea to switch Biden out for literally anyone else then Nate Silver’s forecasting was as good as any.
Boerwar @ #423 Tuesday, July 30th, 2024 – 9:30 am
The Prosecutor prosecuting her case. 🙂
https://www.pollbludger.net/2024/07/29/redbridge-group-51-5-48-5-to-coalition-open-thread/comment-page-9/#comment-4338425
Hmmm, RGR seemed to find a way to negotiate, especially without KRudd24x7, in minority fed gov.
Noted the Essential Report on direction of country.
With about a third of the PV, the gov needs to be different than ‘pathologically unambitious’. Just being shit lite, okay it isn’t being full of shit, still …
All good Isle of Rocks, and welcome to the site too as I haven’t seen your name before, so welcome if you are new. Yes, you’re right about he undecided’s, & essential does a slightly confusing thing with the 2PP. One of the other posters or site host will do the 2PP number later on.
Anyway, for me, I am dropping off the site.
It has been fun this past 18 months or so, but this past 5 weeks has turned into a bit of a combat zone, and no longer for me. Primary numbers are the primary numbers, and if the voters have decided one way or another, very little any of us can do about it.
All the best to Mavis, Lordbain, Lars, michael, Nicholas, badthinker, OC, Been there (could the evening people drop a line to been there pls, he’s a good soul), kirsdarke, Entropy, boer & asha. You’re good (sometimes witty) posters and a good read.
All the best to all. Ciao!
The last lot blocked climate action reform during RGR.
Because nothing was every good enough.
Nothing except 40% wage increases. That sort of extremist thing.
Then they kept climate action in the hands of Abbott, Turnbull and Morrison. Adani Convoy Ahoy!
One huge difference is that Bandt is an extremist and a power-hungry wrecker.
He is currently blocking six major reforms.
He wants a 40% increase in wages.
All that for a 4.3% increase in the Far Right polling!
Bandt is Dutton’s Toolie.
Noooo Nadia 🙁 you’ll be missed
C@tmommasays:
Tuesday, July 30, 2024 at 9:11 amI’ll just be safe in the knowledge that I have actually been to Puget Sound and I know for a fact that AUKUS is going full steam ahead.
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Oh Yes. Your own personal tour wasn’t it. Put on for the VIP from Australia and her son.
Socrates @ #399 Tuesday, July 30th, 2024 – 8:22 am
This.
The Venezuelan election result seems to meet with almost universal condemnation from democracies. It has even seen united condemnation from politics across the spectrum in America – a true rarity.
It is still to seen if the people of Venezuela allow this result to stand. I think for some the time has come to say no more but only time will tell.
Oh, and I see our serial obsessive has omitted to mention yet again that it’s Fossil Fuels that cause global warming.
How Very Trumpian of him.
https://www.pollbludger.net/2024/07/29/redbridge-group-51-5-48-5-to-coalition-open-thread/comment-page-9/#comment-4338454
Oh dear. Was it around the Falklands the UK4DoD/ MIC became useless, or may be Suez, Singapore, Gallipoli? But by all means continue with Trafalgar dinners.
Certainly dreadnoughts weren’t that great a century ago.
Shit lite, centrists, can’t do the math. Probably the same third that sees country heading in the right direction, all Anglosaxony PC, nanny state …
Full of shit, beyond neocons, all shit, shite, can’t read and write, just multiply.
That leave no shit, … beyond the $$Ns are the technology transfer and component manufacturing. Certainly seems to have worked for F16s.
LOL.
Not that tourism, one of the most destructive industries in the world, uses any fossil fuels.
VCT Et3e says:
Tuesday, July 30, 2024 at 10:05 am
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Certainly dreadnoughts weren’t that great a century ago.
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The usual VCT gish gallop of anti-Labor twaddle.
Dreadnoughts underpinned the blockade that brought Germany to the brink of starvation in WW1.
You know what’s even more destructive and uses more fossil fuels then tourism? Fossil fuel exploitation… funny how BW always defends that though
UK Labour slash winter fuel payments and other cuts
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx02zdd92zdo
WTF? This will likely lead to deaths
Lordbain @ #438 Tuesday, July 30th, 2024 – 10:24 am
Indeed.
Boerwar says:
Tuesday, July 30, 2024 at 10:19 am
LOL.
Not that tourism, one of the most destructive industries in the world, uses any fossil fuels.’
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Fossil-fuel propelled tourism flights are expected to double over the next ten years. Naturally the tourism industry hacks are silent on this. In fact they seem intent on laying off the problem to everyone else while they make a buck: Hara Kiri Tourism.
So. How is the Greens’ Zero Net Forty coming along? Fifteen years away during ten of which CO2 emissions tourism flights are expected to double?
Silence from the Greens on the hard stuff!
Easier to posture about a 40% increase in wages…
…and to lie about Labor NOT being the first Federal government to deliver substantial climate fight reforms.
On par to see the Nationals (who want a cap on renewables investment) joining the Greens on the anti-windfarm astroturfing.
The real Illawarra story was not Joyce’s bullet bullshit.
It was the Greens and the Nats joining up to destroy Labor.
And it is working…
… Dutton’s Toolie is playing a mug’s game.
Labor -1
Coalition +2.2
Greens +.5
Phone +2.1
Bw, for someone that claims to hate the ccp and trump for being liars, you sure do ape them…
nadia88 says:
Tuesday, July 30, 2024 at 9:45 am
“Anyway, for me, I am dropping off the site.
It has been fun this past 18 months or so, but this past 5 weeks has turned into a bit of a combat zone, and no longer for me”
c@tmomma has just chased another person off this site.
Butcher @ 10.54 pm, ‘c@tmomma has just chased another person off this site’.
Yep. Unpleasant.
Its a shame, because while nic and others who have taken a break can be argued to have their fights moments, nadia just seems to be here for the polling and relevant discussions. Never really.made their political party of choice clear etc… it’s a loss
“But is it too late to ditch the Dud Dutton?”
Yup. If the circumstances improve for the Libs, Dutton will get very feral about hanging onto the leadership. If they deteriorate for the Libs, any rivals will want Dutton to take the fall at the election and move in later.
Albo certainly leading the ALP into the next election. Really, there is simply no reason for him to move on. Adults in charge doing normal policy and governance. Heckling from the peanut gallery (Lib/Nats) but no alternative policy proposals of substance … well exept nukes …… sort of ….. idiots.
Greens and Indies positioning. I suspect the Greens will get about the same results they always do and the Libs drop a couple more seats to the Teals.
ALP in majority Govt at the end of 2025.
Hopefully, the ALP will make the 2025 budget a good pre-election one. I think the most powerful thing they could do is raise Newstart significantly, but electorally, 2025 budget is the time for that.
Lordbainsays:
Tuesday, July 30, 2024 at 8:14 am
Socrates, if I didn’t know better I would say C@T is the head of the aukus marketing department given her steadfast support /s
Also I don’t understand how just because someone grew up in social housing half a century ago wouldn’t let them be a toff today… news flash, albos situation has changed alot…
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Sorry Lordbain but i have to correct you here. The word “toff” as understood in British slang. Always refers to the upper class. So old money, people who inherit wealth and privilege. There are slang terms for people who rise up in wealth and wish to emulate toff’s. If you wish to slur someone you believe has done that but toff isn’t it.
I stand corrected entropy!
Oh. Look!
There is a lake of avgas put together by the evil fossileers! Let’s burn it all @ Hara Kiri Tourism.