YouGov: 50-50 (open thread)

Plus new Victorian and Queensland state polls, and an update on Liberal ructions ensuing from proposed new federal boundaries for Victoria.

The three-weekly YouGov federal poll records little change on last time, with two-party preferred steady at 50-50 from primary votes of Labor 30% (steady), Coalition 38% (steady), Greens 14% (up one) and One Nation 8% (steady). Anthony Albanese’s personal ratings are also unchanged at 41% approval and 53% disapproval, but Peter Dutton is down four on approval to 38% and up three on disapproval to 51%. Albanese’s lead as preferred prime minister is at 47-36, out from 44-37. The poll also finds an 84-16 split in favour of the proposition that workers have a right to strike for better wages and job security. It was conducted Friday to Tuesday from a sample of 1500.

There are also two state voting intention results from RedBridge Group, both combining two waves of polling in February and May:

• As reported in the Herald Sun, a poll for Victoria credits Labor with lead of 55-45, out from 54-46 in the last such poll in March, contrasting with the recent bi-monthly Resolve Strategic result which suggested the Coalition had moved into the lead. The primary votes are Labor 35% (down one), Coalition 38% (steady) and Greens 14% (up four). Kevin Bonham on Twitter notes that these primary votes suggest a 53-47 result based on a crude application of flows from the last election, but pollster Kos Samaras says the cumulative “others” pool has moved leftwards because “most of the right-wing minor party votes have shifted to the Coalition”. A full accounting of the results from the pollster should be along shortly. (UPDATE: The pollster has published the full result together with a full account of its “others” pool).

• The second poll such poll is for Queensland, and it maintains Labor’s run of diabolical polling there ahead of an election in October. The Liberal National Party is credited with a two-party lead of 57-43 from primary votes of Labor 28%, LNP 47% and Greens 12%. The poll has a sample of 880, and is somewhat at odds with a union-commissioned uComms polling provided last week to The Australian’s Feeding the Chooks column, conducted on May 14 from a sample of 2400, which found Labor had gone from 26.9% to 30.0% from an earlier poll April, while the LNP had gone from 35.1% to 33.7%, the Greens from 13.0% to 10.9% and One Nation from 10.0% to 5.2%, with undecided down from 16% to 10%.

Latest news related to the various federal redistributions in progress, following last week’s publication of draft boundaries for Victoria and Western Australia:

• The Australian Electoral Commission has announced the proposed new federal boundaries for New South Wales, which will involve the abolition of one of the state’s 47 seats, will be published “around lunchtime” on Friday.

• Suggestions the redistribution proposal for Victoria may have strengthened the Liberals in Kooyong prompted a flurry of speculation concerning a comeback by Josh Frydenberg, with Josh Butler of The Guardian reporting on divided opinions within the party. Seemingly the only one to go on the record was soon-to-retire Queensland member Karen Andrews, who spoke approvingly of the idea, which would potentially have been helpful to a Frydenberg comeback given one of the chief obstacles is the optics involved in deposing an already preselected female candidate, Amelia Hamer. Antony Green was initially invoked as having calculated the seat had been strengthened for the Liberals, which many had taken as read given blue-ribbon Toorak was part of the area to be gained from abolished Higgins, but he shortly clarified it was not possible to infer independent member Monique Ryan’s level of support in areas where she was not on the ballot paper in 2022. The matter was shortly resolved in any case when Frydenberg declared his support for Hamer. Aaron Patrick of the Financial Review reported Frydenberg had commissioned Freshwater Strategy to poll the seat “several times”, with party sources saying the results “didn’t indicate he’d win”.

• The proposed abolition of Higgins has prompted suggestions defeated former Liberal member Katie Allen, who had again been preselected for the seat, will instead contest Chisholm, despite the party already having a candidate for that seat in Monash councillor Theo Zographos. Josh Ferguson of The Australian reports the party will challenge the abolition of Higgins in its submission in response to the proposed new boundaries. The report further says a political foundation established by the seat’s former member, Peter Costello, to help fund campaigning in the seat “is being eyed by Liberal bean counters to help stave off a feared collapse in fundraising capacity for the party”. A Liberal source is quoted saying the fund was established to ensure the money “was not ultimately seized by a factional rival”.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. C@tmomma

    As per Essential poll in the final poll before the 2022 election, just 42% of voters approved of Albanese’s performance, similar to the proportion who disapproved (41%).

    And Albanese has same approval ratings now.
    But Lars thinks “Still don’t believe Labor will go to an election with a leader who is net -12.”

    Newspoll and others were around the same mark just before election.

  2. Lordbain says:
    Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 8:58 am
    Hey grif, why wouldn’t the input of a famous leader of a protest movement seeking change for a disenfranchised group be relevant to a modern occurance of a protest movement for a disenfranchised group?

    Or are you claiming MLK and his colleagues should be condemned for supporting property damage

    _________

    I am not claiming anything. I am asking why Bandt “denounced” violence if you are not doing so. I am asking why you thought MLK relevant to this situation. Who is disenfranchised here? Do you have the same deontic constraints that MLK has or Bandt? What is the expected utility of property violence? Specifically the electoral offices of an Australian political party.

  4. Ven @ #51 Saturday, June 8th, 2024 – 9:06 am

    C@tmomma

    As per Essential poll in the final poll before the 2022 election, just 42% of voters approved of Albanese’s performance, similar to the proportion who disapproved (41%).

    And Albanese has same approval ratings now.
    But Lars thinks “Still don’t believe Labor will go to an election with a leader who is net -12.”

    Does anyone EVER believe what Lars says!?!

  5. What is the expected utility of property violence? Specifically the electoral offices of an Australian political party.

    Exactly. I don’t seem to remember MLK defacing & vandalising the electorate offices of Members of Congress?

  6. And the slow moving coup continues.

    Donald Trump is vowing to wrest key spending powers from Congress if elected this November, promising to assert more control over the federal budget than any president in U.S. history.

    The Constitution gives control over spending to Congress, but Trump and his aides maintain that the president should have much more discretion — including the authority to cease programs altogether, even if lawmakers fund them. Depending on the response from the Supreme Court and Congress, Trump’s plans could upend the balance of power between the three branches of the federal government.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/06/07/trump-budget-impoundment-congress/

  7. Property violence?
    Is that, like, vandalism?
    Anyway, Labor MPs put up with it for months, so vandalism is non-violent protest some of the time.

  9. Boerwar says:
    Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 8:59 am
    Big sunday voting in europe today.

    Euro centre pasokifying. The extremes gaining?

    Le Pen likely to be a big gainer in the Euro elections.

    Wilders gained but mostly by cannibalizing other far right parties.

    It looks like something like a quarter of the europarliament seats will be held by the far right.

    The Greens in Germany are not campaigning on climate. They are campaigning on being anti-Nazis.

    _____________

    Yes it is a little worrying. COVID reversed the trend but perhaps it was a speed bump for Pasokification. Definitely worth some attention this weekend.

  10. Hey CAT, just because you don’t remember how civil rights protests often had occurrences of property damage doesn’t mean they didn’t occur or that they weren’t used by the media of the day to denounce MLK and his colleagues in the civil rights movement.

    But then if I told you mlk was a democratic socialist who had good things to say about Marxists you would probably call me a liar 😉

  12. ‘Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas on Friday formally disclosed a 2019 trip to Indonesia paid for by GOP megadonor Harlan Crow, a vacation that was at the center of the controversy over his travel.

    The trip to Bali was the focus of the original report in ProPublica last year that triggered months of headlines about posh travel accepted by justices. Though the news organization’s reporting raised awareness of the trip, Thomas did not formally disclose it in his previous reports.

    Thomas’ annual financial disclosure, which would typically disclose travel, gifts and outside income for the prior year, included a note at the end listing Harlan and Kathy Crow as the source of a trip to Bali in July 2019. The couple paid for “food and lodging,” according to the report. Thomas did not place a value on the travel.

    Thomas also reported a trip paid for by the Crows to a private club in Monte Rio, California, that same month.

    The annual disclosures, which are required by law, provide only a rough sketch of the finances of the justices and lower court judges. But the reports have drawn considerable attention in recent years amid a series of ethics scandals involving private jet travel and luxury vacations accepted by some of the justices as well as lucrative book deals.’

    https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/07/politics/clarence-thomas-harlan-crow-bali/index.html?iid=cnn_buildContentRecirc_end_recirc

    So it took Thomas five years to declare his trip to Indonesia & only after sustained pressure. This man is a law unto himself, as is the corrupt & partisan Alito. The US is a cot case and there’s no relief in sight.

  15. The violent Black Lives Matter protests were ultimately counterproductive and gave the Right in America a cudgel to beat the Left with. Agree or not, that’s an undisputed fact.

    On MLK:

    What were the nonviolent protests for the civil rights movement?
    Victory for Nonviolence | American Experience | Official Site …
    Movement leaders like Martin Luther King, Jr. who initially considered the Freedom Rides too risky became outspoken supporters, paving the way for nonviolent actions like the Birmingham campaign of 1963 and the Selma to Montgomery Marches for voting rights of 1965.

    While in Atlanta, King founded the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, an organisation that aimed to unify the various communities in the Civil Rights Movement. Under King’s leadership, the SCLC engaged in nonviolent protests such as sit-ins at segregated restaurants, leading to King’s arrest in October 1960.

    https://www.visionofhumanity.org/martin-luther-king-jr-a-trailblazer-of-peaceful-protesting/

    Can’t see any mention of throwing bricks through windows or defacing buildings. 😐

  17. This is it in a nutshell. Alot right wing media outlets and commentators that are opportunistically suggesting Labor should be more fiscal disciplined. Are the same media outlets ignoring the elephant in the room the Liberals left a debt five times more then Labor in office and pushed the national debt out to a trillion.

    “At a midweek news conference, Chalmers clashed with a finance journalist who queried the wisdom of his spending measures and the possibility he was giving the RBA no option but to raise rates. The treasurer said there were billions of dollars of spending restraint compared with what he inherited, along with turning projected deficits into surpluses.”

    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/comment/topic/2024/06/08/frydenberg-tilt-exposes-liberals-skirmish#mtr

  18. Trump’s reported list of potential VP candidates.

    The potential candidates who have received requests for paperwork include: Sens. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), J.D. Vance (R-Ohio), Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) and Tim Scott (R-S.C.); North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum; Reps. Elise Stefanik (R-N.Y.) and Byron Donalds (R-Fla.); and former secretary of housing and urban development Ben Carson, according to people familiar with the search, who like others interviewed for this article spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe private conversations. It’s unknown what documentation the campaign has specifically requested.

    In recent weeks, Trump has repeatedly talked about Rubio, Vance and Burgum, according to people familiar with his remarks. Still, even as the process ramps up, he told an ally in the past week that he is in no hurry to make the announcement and could even push it to the week of the convention.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/06/06/trump-vice-president-list/

    Of those Tim Scott is perhaps the best of the lot of them. Can you imagine the ads the Dems would run against Rubio if Trump picked him? A boatload of footage from 2016 would be run ad nauseum.

  19. I think Lordbain must be taking extra time to respond to my post. I am pleased. Hopefully we shall have some refutation on the idea of Nozick’s side constraints. I am more of a Rawls kind of guy myself with respect to the welfare state so happy to see Nozick kicked to the curb. Bring it! The question on expected utility of property violence of Australian MP offices may also be fruitful. Why does Bandt “denounce” such actions whereas Lordbain defends them? I am curious.

  20. And the slow moving coup continues
    ——————————
    And a reasonably good pollster has Biden 50-50 with Trump in Virginia. A state Biden won by 10pts in 2020. Now, v. hard to see Biden losing Virginia. But… some in the DNC and close to Biden must be feeling the pinch.

    First debate is end of this month.

  21. Weekend Australian

    Put ‘extremist’ Greens last, Howard urges
    …
    According to analysis … 9 Labor seats would have fallen to the Coalition in 2022 if only 60% of Greens preferences flowed to ALP candidates, compared to the more normal 80% plus, and 2 Greens seats would have been retained by theLiberals if Labor preferences to the minor party had fallen from a similar normal level to 70%.

  24. In the wake of former President Donald Trump’s felony conviction last week for falsifying business records to hide a hush money payment to a porn star, President Biden (46%) now leads his Republican rival (44%) in a two-way race for the White House for the first time since October 2023, according to a new Yahoo News/YouGov poll.

    The past six Yahoo News/YouGov surveys showed Trump edging Biden among registered voters in a head-to-head matchup, or in a tie. At 46%, Biden’s current level of support is his highest since August 2023.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/new-yahoo-newsyougov-poll-after-trump-felony-conviction-biden-leads-for-1st-time-in-months–but-not-by-much-193423583.html?guccounter=1

  25. Why does Bandt “denounce” such actions whereas Lordbain defences them? I am curious.

    Because PBers outside of Lordbain’s ‘tribe’ are criticising Greens and their surrogates for the illegal violence. Therefore, in order to try to demonstrate they are some kind of free thinker, Lordbain has taken the opposite stance, not realising it is making them appear like a feather-brained moron. That they are even trying to draw analogies with marches such as those supporting marriage equality is even more ridiculous.

    It’s the same with Lars. Whichever way PBers are leaning, Lars will lean opposite, even if it means defending violence and abuse.

  26. robert shrimsley@robertshrimsley

    Hearing consistently now that the D-Day error has absolutely cut through to voters and is already being brought up frequently on doorsteps

    Sam Freedman@Samfr

    And I’m hearing from today’s samples from several pollsters that it’s already visible in the data

  27. His 8 hour, on and off game in the rain against a big hitter probably took it out of him.
    —————————
    Zverev is playing Uber good. deMin played well against him I thought – esp considering the prev game, the above, and esp esp so on clay. He showed he can solidify top ten.

    He probably isn’t going to win many majors. But so what. Consistently being in the top ten is a significant achievement these days – mentally, emotionally, physically and on talent. The field is chock-a-block full of high class, consistent performers. Bravo, I say.

  28. Peter Hartcher writes some Albo hagiography- mostly accurate…

    He’s succeeded on the hate index. No one hates Albanese. He’s not well defined in the public mind. Most people can’t say what he represents and few can name an achievement of his. But they don’t hate him. This is a valuable accomplishment for a leader heading towards an election; just ask Scott Morrison.

    But sometimes the fierce competitor surfaces, as he did this week. On Wednesday, asked about the government’s view on the Gaza war, Albanese took the opportunity to tear into the Greens, a party he loathes at least as much as he loathes the Liberals, and possibly even more.

    Remember that, in his inner-west Sydney seat of Grayndler, the longstanding threat to Labor is the Greens, not the Liberals. Albanese has been fighting the Greens for his seat for 28 years.

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/when-the-pm-is-snookered-he-goes-from-statesman-to-scrapper-just-ask-jodie-20240607-p5jk1z.html

  29. I remember going to see Alex De Minaur at one of his first professional tournaments, The Sydney International at Homebush and thought he was destined for better things then.

  30. Has anyone (other than us) noticed how unreliable the BOMs weather forecasting has become in recent years? You may not have unless (like us) you rely heavily on local forecasting.

    Here’s why …

    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/environment/2024/06/08/inside-the-boms-failings-they-will-straight-tell-you-black-white

    Under Johnson’s leadership, the Bureau of Meteorology has stopped meeting all of its World Meteorological Organization obligations, cutting back substantially on the frequency of upper atmosphere soundings.

    Content now removed from the BoM website states the “benefits” in data sharing under the World Meteorological Organization are “substantial but also impose a responsibility for Australia to also contribute to the international system”.

    As one meteorologist told The Saturday Paper: “The attitude there now seems to be ‘what’s in it for us?’ despite the fact the BoM is a big player in the Pacific region with climate change and tropical cyclones.”

    Domestically, quality suffers in subtle but important ways. Overnight shifts on the national production desk can shrink to four people who are responsible for an entire country’s forecasting. Almost all of this is model output, but changes still need to be made and there are only so many available to perform the work.

    The consequences?

    It was less astounding to senior Bureau of Meteorology staff who have watched a $1 billion-plus technology transformation project at the agency, called ROBUST, slide off the rails over several years. And less surprising still to the meteorologists at the forecaster, who have witnessed a centralisation of the BoM’s remaining qualified staff to a “national production” model based in Melbourne and Brisbane while being told not to change automatic local forecasts they know to be wrong.

    The BOM issues local forecasts they know to be wrong. We make business decisions based on those forecasts, and increasingly we are getting those decisions wrong.

    There is more detail in the article, but it is clear the BOM has been deliberately “nobbled” by under staffing.

    Why? I’ll give you one guess …

    Senator Barbara Pocock told The Saturday Paper the Bureau of Meteorology has “never been more necessary in the face of climate crisis”.

    It’s a bit like the funding of the CSIRO and Antarctic research. The government knows what these will tell them, but it seems they simply don’t want to hear it.

    And we really think we can become the “Clever Country”? What a sick joke.

    It’s way past time all of these problems were fixed. They don’t need fancy new technology – what they need is replacing the dead heads appointed by the COALition, and adequate funding.

    C’mon, Labor … do something … before you lose office again … 🙁

  31. Confessions says:
    Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 9:46 am
    “Why does Bandt “denounce” such actions whereas Lordbain defences them? I am curious.”

    Because PBers outside of Lordbain’s ‘tribe’ are criticising Greens and their surrogates for the illegal violence. Therefore, in order to try to demonstrate they are some kind of free thinker, Lordbain has taken the opposite stance, not realising it is making them appear like a feather-brained moron. That they are even trying to draw analogies with marches such as those supporting marriage equality is even more ridiculous.

    It’s the same with Lars. Whichever way PBers are leaning, Lars will lean opposite, even if it means defending violence and abuse.

    ________

    You saw my spelling error!

    Sorry for the delay in my reply. I just had a chat with a couple of Jehovah Witnesses.

    I am more optimistic. I think underneath reactionary idealism lies a rational thinking person. Despite the joy of arguing with an anonymous person on the internet, there may also be some learning. I learn a lot from fellow Bludgers. I know more about submarines now than I ever thought I would 😉

  32. Lordbain @ #72 Saturday, June 8th, 2024 – 9:41 am

    https://www.cbr.com/martin-luther-king-jr-cartoons-depictions-1960s-media/

    CAT, your comments about the BLM movement are literally how the civil rights movements were reported on during the day. Again, please read mlks letters… because your the exact person he wrote about

    Um, you’re forgetting I was just in Portland. 😐

    The electorate there just elected a former Republican turned Independent to be their next State AG. In one of the most left-leaning states in the nation. Sometimes protests can go too far and have a rebound effect on the perpetrators and their party.

    Now, you go and point out to me where MLK said that violence and destruction was the way to achieve change. I dare you.

  35. Confessions @ #84 Saturday, June 8th, 2024 – 10:19 am

    I think we all know more about submarines than we ever thought we would!

    No, we just think we do.

    I worked on the Collins class submarine project, and that project stretched Australia to the limit of its capabilities of the time – capabilities which have only gone backwards since then – backwards in leaps and bounds, in fact.

    If we think we can even maintain nuclear submarines – let alone help build them, we are fooling ourselves.

  37. Hey CAT, when did I ever say that. What I said is that these things occur, and that your literally saying the exact same things that have been said about every protest movement in history. Hell, as pointed out by badthinker (in bad faith) these things have happened during the larger union actions over history…. are you telling me the union movement was tainted then?

    And wow wee, you visited an American city for less then a month… and that makes you an expert? You are the literal definti9n of mlks white liberal 🙂

  38. Boerwarsays:
    Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 9:00 am
    It looks like Modi kicked a bit of an own goal with his muslim bullying: close call in Varanasi, his home state.
    ====================================================

    Alternatively if he hadn’t done it he would of lost?. Possibly without the widespread voter suppression the opposition would won this election. One must certainly question the legitimacy of Modi’s win due to it though.

  39. It’s way past time all of these problems were fixed. They don’t need fancy new technology – what they need is replacing the dead heads appointed by the COALition, and adequate funding.

    Wait until the Greens come to power. They will fix it.

    Until then, vote Greens is you like, but don’t preference the COALition.

  40. Those “bloody Independents”, again ?

    Footnote : No William I won’t make a habit of long-winded posts and I hope you will forgive this one and let it ride this time. I will start donating to the site again as I did last time.

    People who remember me from 2-3years ago on this site might recall I came equal second in predicting the election outcome in 2022, I was out by one seat from memory. Well I am back again to have another crack for 2025. Problem is the landscape has changed so much due to the rise and rise of Independents for one thing, so I have to start with them.

    In the 2022 election Climate 200 supported Independents known broadly as the Teals targeted male moderate faction held Coalition seats, though not exclusively males and not exclusively moderates.

    Holmes a Court had been ejected by the Kooyong 200 campaign team aimed at funding Josh Frydenberg’s 2022 campaign after he publicly denounced the Coalition’s energy policy which shaped climate change and environment responses. He started and funded Climate 200 with the aim of unseating “3-5” prominent Coalition seat holders.

    Along with the Voices of movement who ran in very similar platforms in other seats, they posed a genuine threat to Coalition held seats where (again not exclusively) female voters who felt the Coalition party MPs and the Coalition more broadly had neglected or failed to respond adequately to key issues of concern to them were offered an alternative candidate to vote for. The key issues were the protection and equal treatment of women, climate change, the environment and political integrity

    the failure to legislate an Anti-Corruption Commission

    . Other issues pertinent specifically to the local electorate which had been ‘neglected’ or ignored came to the surface during the election campaign.

    So how did they go in the 2022 election ? Nine ‘moderate’ male Coalition party incumbents lost their seat, 7 of them male and two female, but only 3 of them to the Independents.
    Goldstein, Mackellar and North Sydney Liberal moderates Wilson, Falinski and Zimmerman were all defeated by Independents. The Greens unseated Trevor Evans in Brisbane and Labor unseated 5 Liberal moderates in Bennelong, Hasluck, Higgins, Reid and Wentworth.

    Other Independent candidates unseated non-moderate Liberal incumbents in Curtin

    Kate Chaney

    and Kooyong

    Frydenberg

    . The 6th and final Independent scalp was that of Kristine Kennealy, the candidate the Labor Party has forced on to the local electorate pre-selection in Fowler (NSW). The main issue in Fowler was the tawdry way the Labor Party had run the pre-selection process.

    Holmes a Court got his wish. 5 Liberal Party incumbents defeated by Independents and most notably Josh Frydenberg.
    The obvious question now is who will the Independents target in 2025 ?

    Of the nine surviving Coalition ‘moderates’, only one of them were challenges by Independents in 2022 and that was Paul Fletcher in Bradfield. His 2PP margin slipped from 16.5 % to 4.2% with the Independent challenger Nicolette Boele winning 20.8% of primary vote. We can expect the Independents to have a second crack at unseating Fletcher in 2025.

    4 other male Liberal moderates not targeted in 2022 by Independents will be hoping for the same but should be unsurprised to find themselves running against sponsored Independents in 2025. The male moderates in question are Coleman in Banks {3.2 % 2PP}, Stevens in Sturt {0.4% 2PP}, Leeser in Berowra {9.7 % 2PP} and whoever replaces Warren Entsch in Leichardt {3.4 % 2PP) if he actually retires this time around.

    The four post 2022 Coalition female moderates who might come under sponsored Independent challenges in 2025 are Sussan Ley in Farrer , Jenny Ware in Hughes, Bridget Archer in Bass and Angie Bell in Moncrieff.

    Other likely new Coalition targets for 2025 Independents would have to include Dan Tehan in Wannon
    and Liberals in Deakin, Moore, Canning, Casey and Banks.

    And then we come to the Labor Party. Female Independents may want to go after male Labor incumbents on the grounds that the Labor Party in Government have failed to adequately address the escalating issue of domestic violence against women in Australia and their recent responses to the issue have been pretty pathetic in the public eye. The public perception of the Immigration Ministers failure to protect Australian women from the risk of released immigration detainees with a criminal record of violence and sexual assault would add fuel to the fire. But the potential impact of sponsored Independents on Labor in 2025 is another story best left for another time.

    With no less than 12 members of the HOR other than the 4 Greens already sitting on the cross benches after the 2022 election, both the Coalition and Labor have more headaches to deal with from “those bloody Independents” in 2025 and our democracy sandwich is going to more and more complex and unpredictable for election addicts like me.

  41. Leader @ #89 Saturday, June 8th, 2024 – 10:32 am

    It’s way past time all of these problems were fixed. They don’t need fancy new technology – what they need is replacing the dead heads appointed by the COALition, and adequate funding.

    Wait until the Greens come to power. They will fix it.

    Until then, vote Greens is you like, but don’t preference the COALition.

    Like a few others here, you seem obsessed by the Greens. You need to try and get over it.

  42. yabbasays:
    Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 9:06 am
    Taylormade @ #15 Saturday, June 8th, 2024 – 7:27 am
    Somebody said: “Toxic Masculinity is getting out of control.”
    _____________________
    Hey Yabba
    How they hanging ?

  43. Rewi
    I heard on ABC News Radio where a ANU professor said under the topic of “people shifted to safer places that 1 in 25 homes in Australia will be uninsurable by 2030 Just due to river flooding
    Note there are many other reasons a house can be uninsurable.

    And you thought things will not be really bad.

  44. Just a reminder of the focus put in Right Wing Extremism being a massive threat in Australia. They really should stop attacking Politicians offices. It’s really not good for social cohesion, but I’m sure ASIO, the AFP and State Police Forces are all over it – like paint on a politician’s office.

  45. Ven @ #93 Saturday, June 8th, 2024 – 10:42 am

    Rewi
    I heard on ABC News Radio where a ANU professor said under the topic of “people shifted to safer places that 1 in 25 homes in Australia will be uninsurable by 2030 Just due to river flooding
    Note there are many other reasons a house can be uninsurable.

    And you thought things will not be really bad.

    Australia needs an “insurer of last resort” scheme for housing. Our governments approve development in these areas, and then they approve policies that make them uninsurable, so they should be required to underwrite the insurance.

  46. Hey Lordbain, why won’t you respond to me? Perhaps Confessions was right and I am overly optimistic.

    On a related note, thank you for the link to MLK that you highlighted. It had a link to the full speech. I had a different take from the full speech. See: https://jacobin.com/2018/04/martin-luther-king-jr-nonviolence-direct-action. MLK explained other individual actions and it is NOT what he himself advocates. From the link you provided; “And though Dr. King was a proponent of active nonviolent resistance against evil, he was nuanced in his critiques of other forms of resistance.”

    I don’t suppose MLK is being quoted out of context here? But feel free to answer my other questions before you answer this one 😉

  47. Player One @ #80 Saturday, June 8th, 2024 – 10:04 am

    I have noticed P1.
    At first, I put it down to climate change complicating forecasts due to deviance from historical data upsetting the models.
    Then I noticed how frequently the Melbourne radar was “undergoing maintenance”.
    And even after maintenance still persisting with a spurious echo at Kinglake.
    According to the Dopler radar it has been raining in Kinglake for over 5 years

  48. ”
    Lordbainsays:
    Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 8:58 am
    Hey grif, why wouldn’t the input of a famous leader of a protest movement seeking change for a disenfranchised group be relevant to a modern occurance of a protest movement for a disenfranchised group?

    Or are you claiming MLK and his colleagues should be condemned for supporting property damage
    ”

    Lordbain
    You know that I am completely against what is happening in Gaza from my posts.
    MLK talked about disenfranchised group in America. Non of the people who are destroying property in Australia are disenfranchised at the moment.

  49. ”
    C@tmommasays:
    Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 9:13 am
    Ven @ #51 Saturday, June 8th, 2024 – 9:06 am

    C@tmomma

    As per Essential poll in the final poll before the 2022 election, just 42% of voters approved of Albanese’s performance, similar to the proportion who disapproved (41%).

    And Albanese has same approval ratings now.
    But Lars thinks “Still don’t believe Labor will go to an election with a leader who is net -12.”

    Does anyone EVER believe what Lars says!?!
    ”

    Nath, Badthinker, Alabama, PP, Taylormade and FUBAR believe in what Lars says. 🙂

  50. FUBARsays:
    Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 10:44 am
    Just a reminder of the focus put in Right Wing Extremism being a massive threat in Australia. They really should stop attacking Politicians offices. It’s really not good for social cohesion, but I’m sure ASIO, the AFP and State Police Forces are all over it – like paint on a politician’s office.
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    Yes, right wing extremism is on the rise. They really need to be carefully watched as they are very nasty.

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/death-to-palestine-islamophobic-graffiti-sprayed-in-woman-s-driveway-referred-to-police-20240608-p5jk8i.html

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