There being nothing else on in the world of polling this week, the weekly Roy Morgan gets a rare guernsey. After a tied result last time, Labor recovers a two-party preferred lead of 51-49, despite equalling their worst primary vote result for the term, down one-and-a-half to 30%. The Coalition is also down half a point, to 37.5%, with Labor’s two-party result benefiting from a one-and-a-half point rise in the Greens to 15.5%, their equal best result for the term, and a one point drop for One Nation to 3.5%. The poll was conducted last Monday to Sunday from a sample of 1677.
Morgan: 51-49 to Labor (open thread)
The weekly Roy Morgan brings Labor slightly good news on two-party preferred, but bad news on the primary vote.
Hey Cat, you keep saying LNP campaign lines… are you sure your not actually a LNP voter? because stuff like “greens want boat people to die” and “genuine refugees” are dog whistles that suggest your more right then centre right. Dare I guess your views on the ACCU scheme, and support payments, and funding for public schools. Also dont lie when the old comment can be found; you disparaged parents and ignored that children cant exactly pick the families your born into.
True that but would it be proven beyond reasonable doubt.
(My understanding is that the juror misconduct related to them bringing in extraneous evidence whether women ever lie about sexual assault. But it is possible to have a false understanding without lying. Perhaps this scenario was important to the jury’s deliberations)
Entropy says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2024 at 5:13 pm
Irenesays:
Tuesday, April 9, 2024 at 5:07 pm
Team Katich says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2024 at 4:56
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The problem is Labor Party policy of big, over 600,000 immigrants annually.
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Can you point out when Labor changed the immigration policy settings from what it was under the previous Government?. If they didn’t how can it be Labor’s policy?. It can only be a continuation of previous policy settings then.
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Wow! Your gyrations are amazing. It is the Albanese Labor government’s policy. The one that won the May 2022 election.
The government that priorities business needs more than the LNP. Hence the big numbers.
In 2019–20, the Migration Program outcome delivered 140,366 places—down 12.4 per cent on the 160,323 places in 2018–19.
This was comprised of: • 95,843 Skill stream places • 41,961 Family stream places • 81 Special Eligibility places • 2481 Child stream places.
https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au › …PDF
Australia’s Migration Trends 2019-20 Highlights – Department of Home Affairs
So Labor has increased immigration from 160,323 in 2018/2019. To over 600,000 in 2022/2023.
The 2019/2020 years slight drop may have been due to COVID-19.
So the Albanese government choice of big immigration numbers provided an increase, so far, of at least 440,000/year since 2018/2019.
Where did this idealope called Lordbain spring from?
Sorry mate, nearly all of us on here are somewhat sensible righters or diehard Labor fanatics. Any mention of the Greens will anger both of us, if you haven’t realised it already.
Also, you are something me and C@t agree on. Wonders never cease
B. S. Fairman @ #1694 Tuesday, April 9th, 2024 – 5:00 pm
Now you are talking.
But I tells ya, the whining I hear about ‘no room in the street because of too many cars because of medium density housing’ blah blah. What a load of BS. Medium density housing happens (at least in Adelaide) in areas with high levels of public transport. So 3 things. 1. Sell your extra cars and catch the bus. 2. Deal with busier streets – heaps of areas in inner Sydney where sardines can barely swim one way down a two way street. People make do. 3. Sell and people with less cars and no qualms in taking public transport or riding a bike will pay good money to buy into the place.
Poor Humza Yousaf and his Hate Crimes Act!
Colin Wynter KC@QcWynter
5,738 complaints of “hate crimes” were made in Scotland in 2022-2023.
If 8000 have been made in the past 7 days, the conclusion must either be that Scotland has suddenly become a nation full of internecine hatred or that this law is a bit of an ass.
Neither is good.
Blame Humza
https://x.com/QcWynter/status/1777459904317358308
8,000 complaints are about one a minute.
Long term lurker out of sorts. Ill take that as a badge of honor
Cat
The “Malaysia” solution was a regional solution. I was against it like the Greens but that is what it is.
Advocating for the human rights of asylum seekers does not mean you want to see them die.
It does not man you want “open borders” as the right claims.
Just as Labor abiding by High Court rulings does not mean it’s gone soft on borders either. Respecting the rule of law is something I admire in governments not despise.
As we have seen recently Labor does not win by having “draconian” legislation as described in the media. Labor did well putting the human face on refugees during the election campaign with the Biloela Family. More of that please.
Sorry This is Scott 1.
PM DUTTON COME ON DOWN!
Support for the Coalition increased 1.5% to 50.5% to edge narrowly ahead of the ALP on 49.5% on a two-party preferred basis as Australians began to return from Easter holidays.
If a Federal Election were held now the result would be too close to call with a hung parliament and the support of minor parties and independents required for either the ALP or Coalition to form a minority government, the latest Roy Morgan survey shows.
Several issues hurt the Albanese Government’s support last week, in particular the surge in crime in Alice Springs which forced the imposition of a youth curfew in the outback town. There was also the arrival of a new asylum seeker boat in Western Australia and the death of an Australian aid worker in Gaza.
Primary support for the Coalition increased 0.5% to 38% ahead of the ALP on only 29.5%, down 0.5% from a week ago. In addition, hurting the ALP on a two-party preferred basis was the decrease in support for the Greens, down 2% to 13.5%.
https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/9511-federal-voting-intention-april-9-2024
Donald Trump jumps on eclipse bandwagon, shares bizarre campaign video
As thousands watched the total solar eclipse, former US President Donald Trump posted a bizarre campaign video.
https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/donald-trump-solar-eclipse-united-states-election-campaign-ad-truth-social-2525011-2024-04-09
Lordbain
Fair enough. Feel free to claim it and add it to your resume.
Heres a question; why is Labor losing votes?
Is it;
The Media – of which ill note Labor originally was considering reforms on but backed away from (even though there’s more then enough cross bench support)
The voters – is it because voters are idiots?
The policies – labor has apparently done alot of good progressive policies, and yet they keep bleeding votes (with a favoring to the left). Do people just not understand policies?
Irene says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2024 at 5:19 pm
‘Boerwar says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2024 at 5:03 pm
Irene
I know that Labor is evil incarnate and that Plibersek should be managed out is evil but the legislation mandates certain processes which, if not followed to the letter, instantly become the fulcrum for lawfare by either the proponents or the opponents of any development.
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There has been constant letter writing by many. Over 8 years. And you say a further 2 weeks is all that it will take. For approval….’
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You don’t seem to be all that quick on the uptake. If ministers fail to follow all the steps to a ‘t’ then they open the door to lawfare by either or both of proponents and opponents.
Plibersek is doing what any savvy Minister for the Environment ought to do.
Oh, I get it.
P1 reckons that China making solar panels is excellent but that Australia making solar panels is evil.
P1 knows everything about everything.
China good. Australia bad – especially if it is a Labor Government.
Four legs good. Two legs bad.
As you were, everyone.
Hey Boer, how many Solar Panels were made in Australia last year?
Irenesays:
Tuesday, April 9, 2024 at 5:40 pm
Entropy says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2024 at 5:13 pm
Irenesays:
Tuesday, April 9, 2024 at 5:07 pm
Team Katich says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2024 at 4:56
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The problem is Labor Party policy of big, over 600,000 immigrants annually.
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Can you point out when Labor changed the immigration policy settings from what it was under the previous Government?. If they didn’t how can it be Labor’s policy?. It can only be a continuation of previous policy settings then.
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Wow! Your gyrations are amazing. It is the Albanese Labor government’s policy. The one that won the May 2022 election.
The government that priorities business needs more than the LNP. Hence the big numbers.
In 2019–20, the Migration Program outcome delivered 140,366 places—down 12.4 per cent on the 160,323 places in 2018–19.
This was comprised of: • 95,843 Skill stream places • 41,961 Family stream places • 81 Special Eligibility places • 2481 Child stream places.
https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au › …PDF
Australia’s Migration Trends 2019-20 Highlights – Department of Home Affairs
So Labor has increased immigration from 160,323 in 2018/2019. To over 600,000 in 2022/2023.
The 2019/2020 years slight drop may have been due to COVID-19.
So the Albanese government choice of big immigration numbers provided an increase, so far, of at least 440,000/year since 2018/2019.
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Labor had no policy changes to the existing LNP Government policy at last election. Show me what policy changes they took to last election that was different to the LNP on immigration quotas?.
Vensays:

Tuesday, April 9, 2024 at 5:46 pm
Donald Trump jumps on eclipse bandwagon, shares bizarre campaign video
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This never gets old…
Oakeshott Countrysays:
Tuesday, April 9, 2024 at 5:40 pm
True that but would it be proven beyond reasonable doubt.
(My understanding is that the juror misconduct related to them bringing in extraneous evidence whether women ever lie about sexual assault. But it is possible to have a false understanding without lying. Perhaps this scenario was important to the jury’s deliberations)
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As far as i can see the only place she could have been drugged is in the office. If she had a drink there. As she has no memory of doing so. It could not be proven. Though not remembering something from just before you are drugged is not unusual though. You probably have better idea of how quick acting and degree of memory loss from commonly used knock out drugs than me though. Possibly there could be longer acting ones she could have been given earlier?.Though i assume most of these drugs have been developed to get people who have trouble sleeping to get some sleep. So they tend to be taken just before going to bed and act quite quickly. Same applies even more so for those developed for general anesthesia during medical treatment.
Entropy @ #1699 Tuesday, April 9th, 2024 – 5:31 pm
Sure they exist. In small numbers. At uncompetitive prices.
But I’m sure that after Labor spends a billion dollars – while the Chinese spend 300 times that and also have massive volume, cost and productivity advantages- we will easily beat them on both price and volume.
Excuse me if I don’t hold my breath.
Following the Labor Greens policy debate on housing, I’m sure everyone agrees there is a problem and more needs to be done. Yet we also need to be honest about what is possible to be done. For a housing policy to be a viable solution it needs to be:
1. Funded (and economic) – can govt fund it without putting the budget into deficit and risking interest rate hikes?
2. Deliverable (labour) – are there enough skilled builders available to make the required number of homes. After years of neglecting Tafe, at present the answer is No.
3. Deliverable (materials & standards) – are sufficient quality building materials available? At present more work is needed on the regulatory side to weed out use of substandard materials and processes. We literally don’t have enough skilled building inspectors.
4. Deliverable (land) – we need a LOT more land, or major changes to urban zoning on density. Unless you are counting in square kilometres, your solution is too small.
5. Sustainable (amenity) Australia tends to be very profligate on urban land use, including how much we use for roads and parking. Fixing that needs new planning laws that protect amenity, greenspace etc if density is higher.
6. Sustainable (Infrastructure and services) – building lots of houses in places with no schools, roads, public transport and services is not a solution, just creating future slums.
7. Affordable (to buyers) – this is not just supply and demand. Many levels of government look at housing developments as a milking cow to fix their budget hole. We also need to stop land banking.
My main point here is to say that multiple problems evolved over a decade+ of neglect. They won’t be fixed in just a few years. To promise otherwise is not honest.
Having said that, if these problems can’t be fixed quickly, then immigration needs to reduce.
A radio host and his right-wing school board candidates crash and burn
Marc Cox is a right-wing radio host, with a show very much in the mold of Rush Limbaugh. He kicks off the daily broadcasting at a local FM talk station, setting the tone for hours of angry rhetoric based on all the expected Republican fantasies, and leaning heavily into the racial divide that marks the St. Louis region.
Recently, Cox backed a slate of candidates in school board elections across the region, declaring that they would fight against the “woke agenda.” But in elections on April 2, Cox’s candidates lost. All 13 of them.
Whether it was in wealthy white suburbs or poorer rural districts, voters rejected these candidates. Even a district that had been dominated by reactionary conservatives over the past three years saw the conservatives who were up for reelection lose their seats.
Local conservative PACs raised over $20,000 to capture school board seats from candidates backed by the teacher’s union. It didn’t work.”
Even in deep Red state, sometimes good things happen.
What’s the evidence?
?????
Socrates says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2024 at 6:14 pm’
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Yep. But unfortunately that is not going to stop populist responses from buggering things up even further.
Really, China excellent. Australia hopelessly bad.
Perhaps Australia should start forcing its prison population to shed organs and to do forced labour?
Do things the Chicommie way?
Higgins a drugged date rape?
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/apr/09/brittany-higgins-questions-whether-she-was-drugged-on-night-of-alleged-in-new-submission-to-court-ntwnfb
Socrates: This really well describes a host of the barriers with an approach to housing that, like both major parties, has been entirely concentrated on supply. There aren’t easy answers to those challenges, and so much of the actual rhetoric about supply winds up being, in substance, actually just “thoughts and prayers”.
It’s why I have such appreciation for Max Chandler-Mather (and others behind him) having given the Overton window on housing policy the biggest yank of any Australian political issue in about twenty years. I mightn’t agree with him on all of the detail, but all of a sudden we’re actually talking about all the tools in government’s arsenal in housing policy, instead of just the one tool that’s relatively arms length from anything the government controls.
I think we can add economy of scale and Animal Farm to things Boerwar doesnt understand but pretends to
Of building homes and the shortage of tradies:
https://citynews.com.au/2024/tradie-shortage-spells-doom-for-bid-to-build-1-2m-homes/?utm_source=mailpoet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=canberra-daily-today-s-news-today_7801
State and local governments have caused the shortage of housing.
Classic examples are in the Pilbara in NW WA. There’s no shortage of suitable land. Yet house prices skyrocket every mining boom because the local government with local land owners as councillors restrict supply of land for development. Then in conjunction with State Governments and utilities they drive the price up of what should be completely affordable entry level housing for first home buyers.
How could any Judge take such a submission seriously?
Really?
I’m not jumping into the cesspool of arguing about migration politics, but it is seriously disheartening to see somewhat reasonable Labor people on here having swallowed Liberal propaganda and lines from 15 years ago so thoroughly as to regurgitate it as their own in 2024.
I understand why Labor surrendered on refugee policy, because after what Howard did to migration politics Labor can’t win if refugee issues are even in the headlines, regardless of what they do, but it was the ugliest policy turnaround in a generation and its consequences horrific. Defending those actions, not just as a political necessity, but pretending there was a moral purpose in it all is genuinely sickening.
Boerwar @ #1724 Tuesday, April 9th, 2024 – 6:19 pm
Crumbs. How many times can you miss the point? One might begin to suspect you do so deliberately.
It is not about China good or China bad. It is about Labor wasting a billion dollars on something that is simply unnecessary.
China already makes cheaper, better and – to put it simply – many, many times more – panels than Australia could ever hope to make, even if Labor was willing to spent the same hundreds of billions of dollars on doing so that the Chinese have already spent.
We will continue to import the vast bulk of our panels from China no matter what our government does.
Do we have a billion to waste on something that is simply so unnecessary? Just so that we can beat our chest and pretend we really are going to be a “Renewable Energy Superpower”?
It’s a fool of a policy. And I mean that literally – it is designed to appeal to low information fools. Of which there seem to be quite a few here on PB.
It’s high time for appellate judges to consider the effects of their decisions. Their professional underlings (and families) have been the subject of unprecedented abuse, threats of violence, and who knows what else. If a trial judge gets the law wrong, then they must step in and not only correct it but also explain how they reached their decision. A case on all four is the decision to reduce Trump’s bond from $464m to $175m – this in the absence of explaining where Engoran erred. Yes, they will eventually deliver a judgment but the damage has been done to the trial judge’s professionalism.
Chutkin, Kaplan, Engoran, and Merchan have been essentially and in different ways left out to dry, unsupported by senior judges. But these elite judges of appeal, right up to US Supreme Court, have in the main avoided the crap directed at them by the baying mob of Trump supporters. Let them be subject to it and see how they cope. When Biden’s reelected, his first act should be to increase the number of US Supreme Court justices to at least twelve.
I’ll applaud Max Chandler-Mather when he agrees to high rise development in his own electorate and those of other inner city Greens’ MPs, by way of a solution to the Housing Availability Crisis.
Innocent until guilty means the prosecution must prove its narrative beyond a reasonable doubt.
The defence can put forward other possible narratives but doesn’t need to prove beyond reasonable doubt but rather show a possible interpretation of facts.
Cf. The Chewbacca defence
That Lehrmann team ‘master chronology’ which never saw the light until Taylor Auerbach, who mysteriously had a copy, has some interesting revelations. Like this:
The master chronology records on March 29, 2019, that Fiona Brown claimed that “Linda called – directed me to go to AFP and report the incident on her behalf, I refused. We discussed, she insisted, I refused. I said ‘you can’t, it is morally and ethically wrong. It is up to the person/victim, disempowering etc’. Heated.”
The document also records Assistant Commissioner Leanne Close’s notes of a meeting with Senator Reynolds on April 4
“I thanked her for her time. She said ‘what’s it about?’ I said there’s been an allegation of a sexual assault by a female member of her office against a male member. She said ‘I thought that’s what it would be about’,” the notes states.
“Can I bring in Fiona, my chief of staff who has specific details?” Minister Reynolds asked, according to the note referring to Fiona Brown, who is then said to have entered the minister’s office.
“Min Reynolds (said) ‘it’s about Brittany!’” the note continues. “We became aware on Tuesday that this had happened on Saturday night – on my couch there! (Minister pointed to the couch in her office).”
Senator Reynolds has denied knowing before the April 1 meeting of any rape allegation or that the incident allegedly occurred in her office.
https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/brittany-higgins-raises-the-question-of-whether-she-was-drugged-on-night-of-alleged-rape/news-story/bed943b3a8bc9cae1491a879515bf39c
I’m sure Reynolds can clear up the date disconnect at her defo trial.
FUBARsays:
Tuesday, April 9, 2024 at 6:30 pm
How could any Judge take such a submission seriously?
Really?
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Just because the judge gives someone a chance to have a submission. Doesn’t mean he will take everything in that submission seriously. The drug stuff has to be pure speculation. As she would of needed to be tested soon after the event for it to be detected. We know she wasn’t though.
Oakeshott Countrysays:
Tuesday, April 9, 2024 at 6:43 pm
Innocent until guilty means the prosecution must prove its narrative beyond a reasonable doubt.
The defence can put forward other possible narratives but doesn’t need to prove beyond reasonable doubt but rather show a possible interpretation of facts.
Cf. The Chewbacca defence
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In this case Channel 10 and Lisa W. are the defence. While Brittany Higgins is only a defence witness. She is being allowed to supply material as the prosecution spent lots of its time attacking her.
Huge, if true!
Channel 7 has taken a break from allegedly scoring drugs and massages, to cast failed stand up comedian, Craig McLachlan, in their upcoming Bruce Lehrmann bio-pic.
”Casting for Bruce has been a hard process,” said a Channel 7 casting director. ”It’s not about resemblance physically but more the vibe of the actor.”
”Craig ticks so many boxes.”
When asked what we could expect from the Bruce Lehrmann bio-pic, the Channel 7 casting director said: ”Look, the script hasn’t been completed as of yet, heck, the finish is a definite unknown.”
”Although, we have booked a lot of time to film in Toowomba.”
”This film will be less Underbelly and more redemption story. Not for Bruce, but more for the brave network executives who went out on a limb to make the World a better place for Sydney’s drug dealers.”
Mark Williamson
@MWChatShow
You can follow The (un)Australian on twitter @TheUnOz
All the talk about the eclipse in America has highlighted that Sydney is going to get a total eclipse in 2028. That will be great.
Plus there is going to be a total eclipse in Victoria in 2038 on Boxing Day. I am not sure what they are going to do with the Test match!
Entropy – yes I was commenting on the rape trial. I don’t understand what if anything this has to do with the libel case.
‘Lordbain says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2024 at 5:53 pm
Hey Boer, how many Solar Panels were made in Australia last year?’
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The two options here are that you really are thick or that you are pretending to be thick.
‘sprocket_ says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2024 at 7:00 pm
Huge, if true!
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Probably not huge, then.
spr
The Liberal mess gets messier and messier.
C@tmomma says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2024 at 6:42 pm
And fills his electorate with massive wind turbines and covers the parks and ovals with solar panels.
As long as China does not burn evil Australian coal to make dirt cheap solar panels using forced prisoner labour and also does not further transgress the absurdly low environmental standards to further pollute the already hideously polluted waterways…
OTOH, Australian solar panels are obviously just plain evil…
P1 does ATBL.
Solar panels are advancing at a pretty good pace. It is the last plant built that will be the most advanced.
China’s plants will get old just like our did.
It’s interesting P! has so little faith in our abilities and wants us to continue exporting rocks.
C@tmommasays:
Tuesday, April 9, 2024 at 6:42 pm
Oakeshott Country says:
Tuesday, April 9, 2024 at 6:43 pm
Defamation trials do not determine guilt or innocence of criminal charges.
Just like US court litigation doesn’t prove scientific facts like causes of climate change or cancer.
Boerwar 6:21pm
Pure speculation now, but that would explain a lot.
Kate McClymont@Kate_McClymont·3h
“Justice Michael Lee will hand down his much-anticipated judgment in the Bruce Lehrmann defamation case on Monday at 10.15am”
They could sell tickets to that one.