YouGov: 51-49 to Labor (open thread)

Labor keeps its nose in front on two-party preferred in the final YouGov poll for the year, but the good news for them ends there.

The final poll of the year from YouGov, which will return next year as a regular three-weekly series, finds Labor with a steady 51-49 lead on two-party preferred based on preference flows from the previous election, despite recording their lowest primary vote of any poll since the election. Labor is down two points on the last poll to 29%, their day saved to some extent by a two point rise for the Greens to 15%. The Coalition is up one to 37%, while One Nation is steady on 7%. Anthony Albanese is down four on approval to 39% and up five on disapproval to 55%, while Peter Dutton is down one to 39% and up one to 48%. Albanese’s lead as preferred prime minister is in from 48-34 to 46-36. The poll was conducted Friday to Tuesday from a sample of 1555.

I have recently started adding YouGov and RedBridge Group polling to the BludgerTrack poll aggregate, which doesn’t seem to have caught all the way up with the recent slide in Labor’s fortunes. In the case of the earlier three YouGov polls (though not yet the latest one), the poll data feature incorporates an array of unpublished breakdowns by state and various demographic indicators.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. “Chris Kenny just provided the figures, no source.”

    michael confirms the credible and authoritative source of his ‘information’.

  2. Another lackluster GOP debate fails to upend dominance of absent front-runner

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/12/7/2210225/-Fourth-Republican-debate-again-fails-to-shake-up-a-race-dominated-by-the-guy-who-wasn-t-there?pm_campaign=front_page&pm_source=top_news_slot_9&pm_medium=web

    No breakthrough moments for Haley

    “Republicans held their fourth presidential primary debate, and once again, the likely nominee wasn’t on stage. Let’s be clear: Donald Trump is at nearly 60% in the national polling average, well over 40 percentage points ahead of Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis in second place. Trump looks a little weaker in the early states, to be sure. But he’s still at 45.9% in Iowa and 44.7% in New Hampshire, with no one else cracking 20% in either state. This debate comes after the Koch brothers-founded Americans for Prosperity Action endorsed former United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley in a last-ditch effort to beat Trump, which put Haley in the spotlight for debate night, given that the actual leader of the race wasn’t there.

    Both DeSantis and shady businessman Vivek Ramaswamy took the bait and went after Haley, with Ramaswamy in typically insulting form—including holding up a notepad on which he’d written “Nikki = corrupt”—and DeSantis in typically bigoted form, attacking her for supposedly opposing a bill banning medical care for transgender kids. (Haley assured Republican voters that she’s anti-trans, calling trans girls’ participation in sports “the women’s issue of our time.”) Both DeSantis and Ramaswamy attacked Haley for the support she’s gotten from big donors, to which she responded, accurately, “In terms of these donors that are supporting me, they’re just jealous. They wish that they were supporting them.” Of DeSantis specifically, she said, again accurately, “He’s mad because those Wall Street donors used to support him and now they support me.”

  3. S777says:
    Friday, December 8, 2023 at 8:34 am
    Is the Rozelle Interchange working as planned? Christopher Standen, a research fellow in applied urban development at the school of population health, UNSW Sydney, says yes.

    ”To allow new traffic from WestConnex to flow unhindered onto the Anzac Bridge’s four eastbound lanes, traffic approaching the bridge from Victoria Road and City West Link had to be throttled.”

    https://apple.news/AIspiQjigQWy2GGPUP_pzsA

    It’s obvious that this part of Sydney needs another bridge.
    Tha”AUKUS” bridge is conceived !

  4. michael doubles down on dodgy sources citing a climate denialist, one of the Daily Dutton’s go to rent-a-quote shill

    Bjørn Lomborg

    Credentials

    Ph.D., Department of Political Science, University of Copenhagen (1994).1
    M.A., political science (1991).
    Background

    Bjørn Lomborg is a political scientist, economist, and the founder and president of the Copenhagen Consensus Center (CCC).2 Lomborg’s Copenhagen Consensus Center (CCC) was founded in 2006 in Denmark and registered as a non-profit organization in the United States in 2008.3 The Center has attracted more than $4 million in funding since 2008. A DeSmog investigation found that the CCC received at least $200,000 in 2013 from “vulture capitalist” Paul Singer’s charitable foundation.4

    According to his website, Lomborg.com, Bjorn Lomborg is also a visiting professor at the Copenhagen Business School. He received his Ph. D. in Political Science at the University of Copenhagen in 1994.5

    Since March 2023 Lomborg has been an advisory board member of the Alliance for Responsible Citizenship6, a group co-founded by Jordan B Peterson which includes a number of high-profile climate deniers on its advisory board member.

    https://www.desmog.com/bjorn-lomborg/

  5. Hmm let’s see unemployment at 3.7 Chalmers appointment at reserve bank is hellbent to getting it to 4.5 she admitted this before he promoted her.Given barely 30 in primary now with very low unemployed 2o24 with 4.5 unemployed will most likely be 25 primary ?
    When you burn political capital via own goals things break.

  6. Thanks for this one BK;
    “ The Albanese Government has just announced another $3B into the US submarine industrial base, in addition to the $4.7B already committed. It’s money that should have been spent in Australia instead. Rex Patrick reports on a widening foreign expenditure sinkhole.”
    https://michaelwest.com.au/join-our-team-aukus-foreign-expenditure-sinkhole-blows-out-to-12b-already/

    Contrary to Rex Patrick, I think the involvement of UK in AUKUS is actually a bigger risk than the plan to get US subs. If the US subs plan comes off (and it could) then Australia still gets a strong navy, albeit tied very closely to the US Navy in an era of possible conflict. Those hawkish about China will see that as a good thing.

    At present most of our naval defence budget is going to UK, not USA. There has never been a better time to be a BAE shareholder, or an ex-Admiral employed by BAE. BAE now has the frigate contract (years late and over budget), and stands to gain the contract for local construction of SSN AUKUS, if all goes OK.

    The preference of the ADF for UK ships and subs is historic but hard to defend in the modern era. For the UK, AUKUS was a sales pitch. After Brexit they desperately needed export income, and Five Eyes countries were targeted after a lack fo success winning any tenders in Europe.

    I was talking to a former worker in the British High Commission office in Sydney during the week who said as much. Their total job was to promote UK exports, including arms. Security was not an issue, as there was no possibility the UK would move a significant military force to the Indo-Pacific. The total focus of the Royal Navy was the North Atlantic and Russian naval rearmament. Even now, two years on from the AUKUS announcement, there is still no confirmation that a UK SSN will be based in Perth for training purposes. It remains an aspiration.

    He went on to say that the Australian navy’s continued enthusiasm for British ships amazed him, given the difficulty UK shipbuilding has had delivering to the Royal Navy in the past decade. Clearly RAN officers still emotionally identify with the RN.

    The old UK shipbuilding industry is mostly gone, with mainly warship building remaining. Compared to other EU shipbuilders (France, Germany, Italy, Spain) their tonnage is small. They are also limited in what they can do. For example, the steel in the pressure hull of a UK SSN comes from France; there is no longer a UK steelmaker that still makes the correct grade of steel. Ironically, Australia is better placed in this regard than the UK. Bluescope Steel at Port Kembla still makes the required grades (HS80 and HS100) of steel for SSNs, as they did for the hulls of Collins Class subs.

    I realise it is often pointless to point out flaws in AUKUS at the level of detailed engineering. Most large projects like AUKUS these days are run by people who know zero about engineering. Same with their promoters. Have a good day all.

  7. Re Michael @8:50. So Mr Lomborg recommends that we do nothing to reduce global greenhouse emissions, basically because it’s too hard. The implication is that we burn fossil fuels until they run out and adapt to whatever warming takes please. Michael has posted Mr Lomborg’s conclusions without comment, which I assume means that he endorses them.

    The links to the source of the costs would be useful. Are they from a credible source (not a right-wing think tank, for example).

    The position of the Liberal and National parties is unclear, other than that they don’t believe that we should be taking any action beyond token measures to reassure nervous voters. They also believe, rightly, that concern about climate change is soft. Most voters want action as long as it costs them nothing(1).

    But what does the Coalition really believe? There seem to be two main factions:

    1. Climate Change is crap and in the fullness of time this will become obvious. No need to do anything.
    2. Something like Mr Lomborg’s position. It’s too hard, we will have to adapt (2).

    There might be a third group, the few remaining liberal Liberals:

    3. We have to win the next election. We’ll do something later.

    Notes:
    (1) That was Tony Abbott’s position with Direct Inaction. He has since come out as a full-on denier.
    (2) But we can’t say the bit about adapting out loud.

  8. Indian-origin Israeli soldier killed during fighting in Gaza

    Master Sgt. (res.) Gil Daniels, an Indian-origin Israeli soldier, was killed during fighting in Gaza. At least four Indian-origin Israeli soldiers are known to have been killed since October 7.

    https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/indian-origin-israeli-soldier-gil-daniels-killed-during-fighting-in-gaza-2473294-2023-12-07

    Do we know if any AUKUS countries origin Israeli soldiers killed? Just asking because I don’t know.

  9. Scratching my head seeing diehard Labor partisans on this thread cheer on Scott Morrison’s AUKUS “deal” with such enthusiasm and excitement..

  10. Far-right Republicans are furious after anti-abortion measure dropped from defense bill

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/12/7/2210278/-Far-right-Republicans-are-furious-after-anti-abortion-measure-dropped-from-defense-bill?pm_campaign=front_page&pm_source=top_news_slot_1&pm_medium=web

    “Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, for one, is not happy. “Is the GOP really going to fund abortion vacations and trans surgeries, fund the Ukraine war, all with a CLEAN FISA extension under Speaker Johnson?” she tweeted. “This was a total sell-out of conservative principles and a huge win for Democrats.”

    She added, ”I’m a HELL NO!”

    Rep. Chip Roy tweeted, “So the @HouseGOP is going to work with Democrats to pass a crappy, watered down NDAA (losing most of the stuff we fought for – abortion, transgender, CRT/DEI) along with an almost 4 month continuation of FISA (spying on Americans with no reforms yet)?” He added #NameOneThing, a reminder of his rant on the House floor last month:

    One thing. I want my Republican colleagues to give me one thing, One. That I can go campaign on and say we did. One! Anybody sitting in the complex, if you want to come down to the floor and come explain to me one material, meaningful, significant thing the Republican majority has done besides ‘Well, I guess it’s not as bad as the Democrats.’”

  11. Has Mr Lomberg factored in the cost of medical treatment for the increased number of skin cancers/melanomas that will have to be treated and paid for by the governments of the world if the Denialists prevail? Or are they just going to let their citizens rot, quite literally?

    Also, I don’t get it that paid-for shills and politicians without an electorate like Lomborg, are given more than ounce of credence for their opinions when they can be so easily debunked. Because, lord knows, without massive government subsidies, Gas, Coal and Nuclear Power Stations will inevitably lead to increased energy bills, not cheaper ones. As Renewables WILL do.

  12. Well according to some “All Labor has to say at the next election is” ‘Vote for the Coalition, get a pay CUT after the election’ and that’s it, election victory is in the bag! Easy as that. All Labor need to do is repeat a slogan and that 29% primary will rocket up in to the 40s. #You know it makes sense.

  13. BTW, Steve Schmidt is Democrats party member and Rick Wilson is not.

    Rick Wilson
    @TheRickWilson
    The
    @RepDeanPhillips
    campaign and the Steve Schmidt SuperPAC supporting him have exactly the same message about Joe Biden as the Trump campaign.

    It says everything about their destructive nihilism.

  14. S. Simpson @ #66 Friday, December 8th, 2023 – 9:34 am

    Well according to some “All Labor has to say at the next election is” ‘Vote for the Coalition, get a pay CUT after the election’ and that’s it, election victory is in the bag! Easy as that. All Labor need to do is repeat a slogan and that 29% primary will rocket up in to the 40s. #You know it makes sense.

    Good to know you support the political party that wants Workers pay to go backwards. As they always have.
    #Youknowitmakessense

    Um, that’s how you do a #. Allwordsruntogether. 😐

  15. 29% in one poll. The same poll that had the Greens at 15%.

    Of course there are other polls & without checking in detail for the purposes of this post i suspect the average ‘Labor + Greens’ votes hasn’t changed that much since the election. I suspect that the average LNP vote in the latest round of polling hasn’t changed much since the election either.

    I think everyone (labor stooges through to liberal shills) understands and accepts that Albo’s long honeymoon ended several months ago … but … is there anything more to report than that at this stage?

    I think we need more data before we can learn to the sorts of conclusions that Team L’arse and co are urging.

    However, I also think the mood of the country has soured, but the performance in detail of the government has very little to do with it. ‘Cost of living’ have been a live issue for over two years now, and featured heavily in the 2022 election. However, much of this has been felt by the hoi polloi like a frog in a sauce pan that is slowly being heated … right up until significant sections of said population woke up to either having their weekly mortgage bill several hundred dollars higher than the pre covid emergency settings OR having their rent increased by $300+ a week. Those sort of increased have caused the hitherto slowing boiling frogs to jump. Those sort of pressures are existential. … THAT … not Dutton’s cultcha wars or the CPG stenography & gotcha games … are also the existential threat to the Albanese government.

  16. The Advertiser reports today that an error in last year’s Adelaide Plains (little LGA north of Adelaide) council election resulted in two candidates incorrectly being declared elected.

    https://www.apc.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0031/1514866/Media-Release-2022-Local-Government-Election-Results.pdf

    A 2022 candidate for Adelaide City Council (another little LGA, but high-profile because it contains the CBD) was challenging the results and ECSA reviewed the results for all councils and found someone had made a mistake using the counting software.

  17. Polls are meaningless at this stage of the process. Governments get blamed for everything so no surprise that the gloss wears off. I think in a head to head ALP will win again and most likely again after that and probably again after that. LNP is talentless and unable to attract appealing non ratbag candidates, simple as that.

  18. All Abbott had to do was repeat a slogan & he got into government. Though of course he had some help to do it. Labor won’t have that help.

  19. Can I just make a Cost of Living observation?

    As a renter who has been studying the market over the last 6 months because I have to move in 3, I have noted price deflation beginning to occur, also rents not going up as regularly as they once did.

    Again, as someone who has been in the 2nd hand car market recently, after my son borked his car and had to look for another one, prices are dropping pretty significantly from their Covid highs.

    The 3rd and 4th legs of the CoL stool are grocery prices and mortgage prices. Hence I am encouraged by the government’s Senate Inquiry into the grocery monopolists’ price gouging which is to go on and may just encourage them to pull their profiteering heads in. Also, we may see interest rates being cut before the next election, which will also enable wages to catch up with CoL burdens for the Average Joe.

  20. Repeating slogans only works for negative politicians like Abbott or Dutton. Someone like Albanese needs to inspire, or at very least present as a steady hand.

  21. Player One says:
    Friday, December 8, 2023 at 9:04 am
    Socrates @ #47 Friday, December 8th, 2023 – 8:47 am

    The risk of a re-eleccted Trump killing off AUKUS has been discussed both here and abroad. It is not certain, but is a significant risk. For example see the link below.
    https://www.straitstimes.com/opinion/will-aukus-survive-trump-s-return-to-the-white-house
    So there is an upside to a Trump win?

    I guess that’s something.

    A big up tick. Labor supporting Scott Morrison’s plan to move $billions to present and past Liberal MPs, consultants and Liberal donors, with Labor worrying about media backlash if they didn’t could be another reason why this wasteful policy has Labor at 29% approval.

    The Chinese also will know that AUKUS, with its attack nuclear submarines. is designed to attack them. Great way to deal with our biggest trading partner.

    Trump did Australia some favours too last time in government. He scuttled the Trans Pacific Partnership, which had the ISDS clause – an investor-state dispute settlement.
    However seems this provision is in a number of treaties with key trading partners including the United States, China, Japan and Singapore allowing companies with investments in Australia to sue the government for decisions that breach treaty obligations.

    Didn’t know our government had supported the ISDS clause in other Free Trade Agreements.

    A change of US President may help free Julian Assange, with this Labor government doing effectively nothing, such as organising a plea deal as they did for David Hicks, who spent some time in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. For allegedly helping the Taliban and Al-Qaeda.

    Whistleblowers are not wanted by Labor or LNP politicians.

  22. “The only poll that counts is in 18 months time etc etc”

    The eternal refrain of those who are behind.

    Only now is it becoming apparent how much damage Albo sustained from the Voice.

    It’s not that the polls are 51:49 it’s that a first term PM half way through his mandate is already -16 popularity. Basically Albo has jumped the shark with the electorate.

    Labor always applies the wrong lesson – shouldn’t have knifed Rudd – doesn’t translate to shouldn’t knife Albo.

    It’s going to get worse with Albo at the helm – I’m guessing a handover to a new Labor leader mid next year.

  23. S. Simpson @ #79 Friday, December 8th, 2023 – 9:49 am

    Repeating slogans only works for negative politicians like Abbott or Dutton. Someone like Albanese needs to inspire, or at very least present as a steady hand.

    Which he undoubtedly is. However, it is always the case in every election that there is an inalienable fact about the Coalition’s intentions that Labor can hang their election hat on.

  24. This is the sort of intimidatory tactics that I spoke about earlier which Authoritarian governments engage in, via Defamation cases in our case, but also this way, as seen in the example below:

    Sen. J.D. Vance wants Attorney General Merrick Garland to investigate my colleague Robert Kagan for inciting insurrection with his recent essay warning of the “increasingly inevitable” dangers of dictatorship under Donald Trump.

    For good measure, the Ohio Republican wants Secretary of State Antony Blinken to look into whether Kagan’s wife, Undersecretary of State Victoria Nuland, should have her security clearance revoked because her “close relationship with her husband might compromise her judgment about the best interests of the United States.”

    Right. The little woman, who was George W. Bush’s ambassador to NATO and has decades of foreign policy experience in both Republican and Democratic administrations, must be under her husband’s thumb.

    Under ordinary circumstances — that is to say, circumstances in which Trump’s reelection was not a serious possibility — Vance’s missive would be dismissible for what it is: a preening, Trump-toadying, stunt. No sane Justice Department would take any action other than tossing Vance’s letter in the trash. No sane State Department would touch Nuland’s clearance.

    In the current climate, however, the stunt must be taken seriously as a preview of what life under a Trump presidency — or, to use Kagan’s term, a Trump dictatorship — might entail. Because we know, not from Kagan but from Trump himself, along with his constitutionally illiterate enablers, that this is just the kind of abuse of power they contemplate in a second Trump term.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/12/07/trump-dictatorship-retribution-jd-vance-robert-kagan/?wpisrc=nl-ruthmarcus

  25. Labor supporting Scott Morrison’s plan to move $billions to present and past Liberal MPs, consultants and Liberal donors, with Labor worrying about media backlash if they didn’t could be another reason why this wasteful policy has Labor at 29% approval.

    Could you prove this defamatory-adjacent statement with some evidence please, Irene?

  26. Maybe we need an enquiry into price gouging by fuel companies. Prices in Sydney have recently fallen, back into the $1.70s/l after a sustained period above $2.10. During this period I noticed prices on the Central Coast (~100 km North) were sometimes 30-40¢ cheaper than Sydney, but a few days ago Sydney was cheaper.

    Recent experience would indicate that in the next week or two the price will suddenly jump by 40¢ at all venues in Sydney pretty much simultaneously for no apparent reason.

    Something’s going on. This isn’t the result of international issues, crude oil prices (which are falling), anything State or Federal Governments have done nor supply chain issues. It more closely resembles cartel-like behaviour.

  27. Latest letter to Hunter Biden is a prime example of Republican hypocrisy

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/12/7/2210234/-Latest-letter-to-Hunter-Biden-is-a-prime-example-of-Republican-hypocrisy?pm_campaign=front_page&pm_source=top_news_slot_1&pm_medium=web

    “Republicans provided another textbook example of massive hypocrisy on Wednesday with a letter ordering Hunter Biden to appear for a hearing on Dec. 13. The letter to Hunter’s attorney says that he has no choice. He must appear for a closed-door deposition on that date or face contempt of Congress charges.

    Hunter has offered to appear in a public hearing on any date, but Republicans have refused the offer. ”

    “But the biggest red flag of hypocrisy in the latest letter may be one of the signatures at the bottom. In addition to Comer, the letter was also signed by Rep. Jim Jordan. The same Jim Jordan who infamously refused to appear in response to a subpoena from the Jan. 6 select committee.”


    Jordan, who was heavily involved in the planning and execution of the attempted overturning of votes on Jan. 6, first insisted that he had “nothing to hide” about those events. But when the select committee investigating Jan. 6 asked Jordan to testify, he refused. That eventually led to Jordan being the subject of a congressional subpoena.

    How did Jordan respond to his subpoena? With a list of demands before he would agree to talk. Jordan accused the select committee of “not operating in good faith,” and of being unfair. He insisted that investigating the Jan. 6 insurrection was not a “legitimate task of Congress” because it did not “advance a legitimate legislative purpose.” Because of this, he claimed that both the committee and the subpoenas were unconstitutional. Jordan never appeared before the Jan. 6 select committee.

    Jordan insists that investigating an insurrection that included an armed mob crashing through the doors of the Capitol is not part of Congress’ business. However, he apparently believes that checking out small personal loans between a father and son demands the attention of two House committees.

    By the test that Jordan himself laid out: Exactly what legislative purpose does questioning Hunter Biden about his truck payments satisfy?”

  28. The Chinese also will know that AUKUS, with its attack nuclear submarines. is designed to attack them. Great way to deal with our biggest trading partner.

    Um, you do realise, Irene, that the Chinese have known about AUKUS whilst they have been normalising Trade relations with Australia over the last 18 months? Does that not have some meaning for you?

  29. Back for thirds.

    McGowan factor wins you your seats in WA. He’s gone so you then yesterday upset the mining industry with deep pockets .Big problem one of them also owns the most influential newspaper over here and tv network cue todays front page!18 months of this coming till the next election.
    Own goals galore cannot afford this with primary at barely 30.

  30. Pied piper @ #88 Friday, December 8th, 2023 – 10:01 am

    Back for thirds.

    McGowan factor wins you your seats in WA. He’s gone so you then yesterday upset the mining industry with deep pockets .Big problem one of them also owns the most influential newspaper over here and tv network cue todays front page!18 months of this coming till the next election.
    Own goals galore cannot afford this with primary at barely 30.

    If you’re stupid enough to believe the self-interested propaganda which spews forth from those outlets, you deserve to be a wage slave under a Coalition government.

  31. @irene:

    “ Labor supporting Scott Morrison’s plan to move $billions to present and past Liberal MPs, consultants and Liberal donors, with Labor worrying about media backlash if they didn’t could be another reason why this wasteful policy has Labor at 29% approval.”

    _____

    What bullshit.

    Even I am not so blinkered to think that AUKUS is actually a cause of Labor’s polling decline. If it was then:

    1. the decline would have started in March, when ‘the details’ of AUKUS clustercuss were announced. That didnt happen;
    2. It simply wouldn’t explain the small rise in primary voter support for the LNP.

    You are just reading the tea leaves for confirmation bias purposes. At least I am not so blinded by my belief that AUKUS is a terrible, no good awful policy to actually think it has moved the polling needle in the way you suggest.

  32. Vensays:
    Friday, December 8, 2023 at 9:25 am
    Indian-origin Israeli soldier killed during fighting in Gaza

    Master Sgt. (res.) Gil Daniels, an Indian-origin Israeli soldier, was killed during fighting in Gaza. At least four Indian-origin Israeli soldiers are known to have been killed since October 7.

    https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/indian-origin-israeli-soldier-gil-daniels-killed-during-fighting-in-gaza-2473294-2023-12-07

    Do we know if any AUKUS countries origin Israeli soldiers killed? Just asking because I don’t know.
    ————————————————————————
    You will not find out by reading the Indian press. The only interest India has in what is going on in foreign countries is when they are effected by it themselves, like this. It is a country that is very self absorbed. Fortunately western countries are not as self absorbed as India and you will see some news about other countries at times, even when it has no direct connection to that western country.

  33. Victoria “F*** the EU” Nuland is a dangerous individual. This is someone who thought she could choose who the leader of Ukraine should be. Any inquiry or investigation into her activities is warranted.

  34. C@tmomma says:
    Friday, December 8, 2023 at 9:59 am
    Labor supporting Scott Morrison’s plan to move $billions to present and past Liberal MPs, consultants and Liberal donors, with Labor worrying about media backlash if they didn’t could be another reason why this wasteful policy has Labor at 29% approval.

    Could you prove this defamatory-adjacent statement with some evidence please, Irene?

    It may have been a comment by a political reporter at the time of the announcement. I did hear it though.

    We also know at the 2019 election loss Shorten blamed the media for destroying Labor’s chances then. Not Labor policy.

    Labor I would think, would be doing their best to avoid a similar media negative campaign.

  35. Ven, go back to S. Simpson’s post at 9:15am, where he posted a percentage all by itself with no other comment. It was a ‘look at the scoreboard’ jibe at Labor supporters here. Sprocket had a better ‘look at the scoreboard’ riposte than mine, with his ’55/150′. I wasn’t aiming at a political scoreboard, but mocking the ineffectiveness of his completely uncontextualised one by offering one of my own. (BTW, mine was the then-current temperature where I am. Now, it’s 30.0 degrees.)

  36. Turning Point wish to advise that the postponed event Donald Trump Jr. Live, scheduled at ICC Sydney on Sunday 10 December 2023, will no longer be going ahead on this date.

    No action is required by ticket holders. A further update on the event details will be provided in the coming weeks.

  37. I think one of Labor’s problem is that outside the Canberra bubble there is a very small group of people who care about inquiries, ministerial conduct and management skills, and ‘good governance’. Even good economic management has very limited appeal, ‘bad economic managers’ makes a great scare campaign, but good economic management, even if you subscribe to trickle down economics as Labor does is not something of great and broad appeal.

    So while my local ALP member is holding seminars to teach the poors how to be less stupid with money, she is also giving high income earners 10k cash in pocket.

    Labor has to start delivering things that actually directly helps the stupid poors and sell it well enough that people give them credit.

    The pink batts and school halls programs were fantastic programs that delivered fantastic tangible results quickly, but Labor let it be turned into a negative. So just doing great things isn’t enough, you’ve got to do them and sell them as well.

    Generally labor couldn’t sell an ice cold glass of water to a person in the desert on a 50 degree day.

  38. The pink batts and school halls programs were fantastic programs that delivered fantastic tangible results quickly, but Labor let it be turned into a negative. So just doing great things isn’t enough, you’ve got to do them and sell them as well.
    ___________
    The Vic ALP government sold its infrastructure programs well by having giant workmen hovering over Melbourne laying track. My anecdotal evidence is that the punters loved those ads.

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