The Australian reports the latest Newspoll offers further evidence of an end to Labor’s period of federal polling dominance, recording a dead heat on two-party preferred, in from 52-48 in Labor’s favour three weeks ago. Labor has slumped by four points on the primary vote to 31%, with the Coalition up a point to 38%, the Greens up one to 13% and One Nation steady on 6%. Movements on leaders’ ratings are milder, with Anthony Albanese actually recording a marginal improvement in his lead over Peter Dutton as preferred prime minister, from 46-36 to 46-35. Albanese is down two on approval to 40% and up one on disapproval to 53%, with Peter Dutton unchanged at 37% and 50%. The poll was presumably conducted from Monday to Friday, from a sample of 1216.
Thanks Mavis
On a very quick read through, it would seem that the High Court has decided to extend the previous decision in the Lim case to apply to circumstances such as that of the Rohingya plaintiff: circumstances that had previously been thought to have been settled in the Al-Kateb case, in which the always sensible and down to earth Justice McHugh explained that:
“A law requiring the detention of the alien takes its character from the purpose of the detention. As long as the purpose of the detention is to make the alien available for deportation or to prevent the alien from entering Australia or the Australian community, the detention is non-punitive.”
The Lim case, as I understood it, related not so much to the detention of people who were threats to the community, but detention for the purposes of gathering sufficient information to make a decision on their visa applications. I’m probably being a bit simplistic, but my understanding is that the verdict on the Lim case was effectively that, if a decision-making process had taken a very long time and seemed to be nowhere near being completed, then the detention associated with it was arguably indefinite and therefore deemed to be punitive.
So it would seem that that High Court has decided that it is no longer satisfied with what had been seen to be a very clear previous determination that indefinitely detaining an alien who has committed criminal acts in order to protect the Australian community is a totally matter to indefinitely detaining an alien because officials are faffing around with their application – and that it would be reasonable to consider detention in the latter case to be “punitive” but not in the former.
I can see why the Government officials were not expecting a verdict like this one.
Check out the dual effect of mass immigration policy since early 2000’s resulting in =
higher house prices + wage suppression.
Albo and Co have been the worst government in the last 20 odd years to stoke this fire with their insane 500k+ net migrants (the population of Canberra) per year.
C@tmomma says:
Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 4:10 pm
The usual nonsense, not talking about any recently elected State Labor government policy, of a one eyed Labor rusted on.
Start looking more critically at your favs. As most voters have.
People are realising that Labor no more is the party for lower income Australians.
Have a nice day.
Jeepers – https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/ is like what happens when you open a new tab in Microsoft Edge except loonier…
Actually read it though Alpha, you might get some education.
MB approach policy discussion through an empirical economic lens – rather than the one-eyed hyper partisan dross that people engage in on PB.
Despite the predictable protestations, I think most bludgers would quietly agree with Bandt.
Socrates:
Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 4:33 pm
I think the award of indemnity costs from the outset sums up what the trial judge thought of Roberts-Smith’s case:
As you are most likely aware, indemnity costs are only awarded in exceptional circumstances, and include but aren’t limited to:
(1) If a party has incurred unnecessarily high expenses during proceedings;
(2) If a party has made untrue allegations of fraud;
(3) Where there is evidence of misconduct by a party leading to loss of time to the court and the other party; and
(4) Where a party has made baseless allegations and contentions.
I wonder which circumstances Bensanko, J considered when deciding the costs’ order. But there’s more, Roberts-Smith’s appeal to the Full Court of the Federal is listed to start on Jan, 6. And then, if he goes down there, there’ll likely be an application to seek leave to appeal to the High Court. But I guess where your benefactor is worth around $6B, that which Stokes will ultimately spend on his champion is mere pocket money to him.
So Albanese appoints Stephanie ‘the Winker’ Foster head of Home Affairs. Useless.
Philip Seymour Hoffman says:
Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 4:52 pm
Check out the dual effect of mass immigration policy since early 2000’s resulting in =
higher house prices + wage suppression.
Philip, Macrobusiness have it right. They have had interesting analysis on Labor and Liberal policies, certainly criticised some of Morrison’s.
And on the S3 TC this and others more recent from them, same belief:
MacroBusiness
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au › …
Stage 3 tax cuts would worsen inequality
29 Apr 2021 — New research from The Australia Institute (TAI) shows why this would be a retrograde move that would worsen inequality: In July 2024, the third …
Alpha Zero says:
Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 5:01 pm
Jeepers – https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/ is like what happens when you open a new tab in Microsoft Edge except loonier…
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Agreed, pretty meaningless, house price series only goes to 2017 and include an equally weird ratio of disposable income index – quite odd as it is not directly comparable with countries that include tax deductions for mortgage payments e.g. UK and the US not to mention also including Australia in the bottom line as well.
Net migration is equally misleading, had it just had the nominal values all OK but including the mean from 1901 (WTF), i mean there are obviously 2 distinct breaks in the series, the main one from 1950 onwards, any guess why migration increased?. Of course the proper measure would have been a ratio of migration/population as 120,000 migrants in say, 1970 or 160,000 in 1950 would have certainly had an impact given the much smaller population.
Those graphs that PSH posted tell me that the migration/housing hell was during the second half of the Howard nightmare and the ATM nightmare. Albanese has to be Hercules to clean up the Augean Coalition stables.
I wonder if BRS has enough to cover the costs ruling? I don’t think he is worth $25 million.
I know that Stokes said he was going cover things but does he have to?
Irene, thanks, MB debate based on what economically makes sense. Not what ought to be the case according to their party of choice, as you see quite often on PB.
You can both be ‘left wing’ (whatever that means) and simultaneously agree that net migration is far too high and is having a disastrous effect on Australia.
The real left of yesteryear actually gave a shite about the plight of the ordinary worker. It seems the new left are primarily concerned with fringe issues of little economic significance, especially to the average voter in Australia. Albo and Co are the worst for this. He has sold out the average Australian to big business and the property industry through mass immigration and is making people homeless and causing serious economic pain for, what I think, are globalist ideological reasons.
Either he doesn’t care about the average Australian or he is too stupid to understand what he is doing.
The ALP has regained the lead on 52.5% (up 3% on a week ago) ahead of the Coalition on 47.5% (down 3%) on a two-party preferred basis according to the latest Roy Morgan Poll on Federal voting intention conducted over the last week. The result halts a run of three straight weeks of declines for the ALP.
On primary vote the Coalition is now on 35%, down 2.5% from a week ago, ahead of the ALP on 32%, up 2.5%. The Greens are unchanged on 13.5% and One Nation is on 5%, down 1.5%. There has been a gain in support for Independents on 9%, up 2%, but a drop in support for Other Parties on 5.5%, down 0.5%.
The latest Roy Morgan Poll is based on interviewing a representative cross-section of 1,379 Australian electors from November 20-26, 2023.
https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/9406-federal-voting-intention-november-26-2023
Inequality is an irrelevant issue in Australia.
A message to Victorians from the Minister for energy/resources/climate action/SEC.
What a quaint view of modern Labor some have here.
If the reason for the existence of Labor is merely to look after low paid individuals in Australia, the party would garner about 10 seats.
Actually, the poorest electorates in a $$ sense are essentially represented by the Nationals and in concert with the Liberals – with their 3% of the vote and the 10 or so seats they land for the LNP coalition, have done a great job for the previous 9 years of LNP government to improve the lot of these Oz people……..not….
FUBAR @ #716 Tuesday, November 28th, 2023 – 5:33 pm
Your mob is chasing the outer burbs battlers re inequality.
It is good to see Labor reframing IR relations with the balance tilted towards ordinary workers.
It is good to see Labor going in to bat for aged care workers gaining a 15% increase in wages.
Similarly, it was good to see Labor going in to bat on wage cases for the ordinary workers.
Similarly, it is good to see Labor criminalizing super and wage theft.
It is not unexpected that various ideologues simply ignore these facts because they do not fit their extremist theories.
Labor builds.
The Coalition wrecks.
The Greens block.
Oh, and I suppose the main stream media will studiously ignore a couple of polls which do not fit the narrative of Labor in the skids? So no pictures of a glum looking Albanese readily/gleefully used by the likes of the West newspaper and our ABC…..?
Dutton KNEW and he did nothing.
What is Dutton’s big-lie-of-the-day?
Ask FUBAR.
I certainly expect next time round that PHON will have a greater proportion of preferences going to the Coalition as Dutton is far more aligned with PHON policies than any previous Liberal leader.
I have no idea, however, how two party preferences in practice went for the winning Teal members. Given that many Teal votes were tactical votes from Labor and Green voters, though, I would not be surprised if the 2pp vote amongst Teal voters was well in excess of 50% Labor (and probably higher in Melbourne than in Sydney).
‘MelbourneMammoth says:
Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 5:41 pm
I certainly expect next time round that PHON will have a greater proportion of preferences going to the Coalition as Dutton is far more aligned with PHON policies than any previous Liberal leader.
I have no idea, however, how two party preferences in practice went for the winning Teal members. Given that many Teal votes were tactical votes from Labor and Green voters, though, I would not be surprised if the 2pp vote amongst Teal voters was well in excess of 50% Labor (and probably higher in Melbourne than in Sydney).’
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There will be a few ACT tactical Labor voters who will drop Pocock because of his retrograde serial meddling in IR reforms.
Boerwar @ #724 Tuesday, November 28th, 2023 – 5:44 pm
Only one, I predict.
And a bit more from this side of the Rabbit Proof….
Seems Lord Mayor/Possible Liberal Party Saviour/Aspirant/West Media lovey, Basil Zemplis, has run into a nasty bit of flack with his views – and that of his Council – when it comes to a refuge for women. Oh, but I forgot…..We had it on great authority, from someone who knows someone, who knows our genial Lord Mayor, that he is not interested into going into State or any other other politics.
Actually, I think he has done quite a good job as LM but then, he has huge support from Stokes and his media and Basil has not actually had to do anything contentious other than whinge about some swimming pool which should or should not have be built as part of the renovation of the old WACA….
Tricot – weird comment.
I’m talking about the great middle Australia, the vast chasm of swinging voters of the 30-49 year old age bracket who equal parts have a ginormous mortgage they are struggling to pay and rental increases of 10% a year who are getting absolutely creamed from both directions. Not to mention the younger cohort who have effectively been locked out of the housing market altogether.
Labor are supposed to champion workers. Instead they have right royally shafted them by stoking inflation through insane population growth leading to higher and higher interest rates in an already heinously expensive housing market and flooding the country with the equivalent of Canberra’s population who largely go straight into the rental market. This is in the last 12 months alone and they have zero plans to curb migration, in fact they actively encourage it. They are effectively destroying the middle class class and creating a society of land barons and everyone else.
The Greens are even worse. Supposedly the party of the environment and yet by every conceivable measure, unfettered population growth is the single worst thing you can do for the Australian environment.
The only party that seems to have their head screwed on is the Sustainable Australia Party – but unfortunately no one has heard of them.
Yes, that 15% for aged care workers is simply being ignored. These ordinary Australian workers were, under the Coalition, the lowest of the low: often women, often migrants, often not tertiary educated.
Labor cares for them.
What is the reward?
All sorts of ideological twits and twats bag and slag Labor for not caring for ordinary Australian workers.
Vicious liars abound.
Labor builds.
The Coalition wrecks.
The Greens block.
Philip Seymour Hoffman says:
Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 5:48 pm
….
The only party that seems to have their head screwed on is the Sustainable Australia Party – but unfortunately no one has heard of them.’
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FMD. One of their fervent supporters lives just around the corner. House renos worth several hundred thousand. Three cars. Planted environmental weeds on the nature strip. Laugh a minute bullshit. Naturally, Philip is attracted to the sound and light show.
You are a broken record, Phillip Seymour Hoffman, who is impervious to facts. Oh well, you have convinced yourself and you sound like one of those people who, despite facts to the contrary, refuse to believe that what they are saying is completely fallacious. But it probably makes you feel good to keep on sounding off. 🙄
The other tactical Pocock voters who will desert him are the Liberals who were sickened by Seselja’s rabid right wing social agenda, his utter incompetence as deputy something or other for foreign affairs (think the Solomons debacle) and the deep and wide stench of corruption surrounding the Liberals and the Nationals.
Ironically, Labor’s positive discrimination in favour of women, Labor’s cleaning up the Coalition corruption, and Seselja’s departure to greener NSW pastures are all likely to disbenefit Pocock.
Has FUBAR identified Dutton’s latest vile Goebbelsian lie yet?
Or does FUBAR, Dutton’s Darling, loyally leave that to others?
Pleasing to see too, that some of the Dutton lovers here are suggesting growing love between the LNP and ON. The further to the right the Liberals go, the more likely the LNP will do well in North/Outback Queensland while they will, again, be thumped in most the the larger metro areas.
If one thing the Referendum demonstrated, the more remote electorates are not only the poorest, they are more reactionary and a perfect fit for Dutton and ON…..
TPOF @ #712 Tuesday, November 28th, 2023 – 5:18 pm
I don’t think he’s smart enough to have realised that. Probably got the graph from his facebook group bubble. 😐
Boerwar, why don’t you debate me on the facts instead of bringing up so laughingly minor Labor ‘wins’ of a measly 15% pay rise for one industry vs the absolute destruction of their insane migration policy on two thirds of the population that rents or has a mortgage? If you wanna talk about sound and light show try a 15% pay rise for a single sector vs the complete and utter wage suppression that mass immigration brings with it.
Have you actually read SAP’s policies or do you make all your judgements based on seeing one person in the street?
Dr Fumbles Mcstupid @ #711 Tuesday, November 28th, 2023 – 5:14 pm
Here we have someone who actually knows how to interpret data and read a graph and analyse it.
Cooker Alert!
Right back atcha C@tmomma. For context have always voted Greens/Labor but woke up a few years ago. Would be great if you and others could do the same.
“80% for change is convincing polling. Do it now.”
Begs Peter Dutton.
Irene @ #703 Tuesday, November 28th, 2023 – 4:57 pm
Are you a lackwit, or just pretending to be one? I completely demolished your feeble position, and THIS is what you come back with!?!
The Minns Labor government are in power NOW in NSW and Rose Jackson is the Housing Minister NOW in NSW.
Philip Seymour Hoffman @ #738 Tuesday, November 28th, 2023 – 6:02 pm
Where do your preferences go then? C’mon, be honest.
I look forward to Nadia’s and Michael’s hot takes on the latest Morgan.
Perhaps if I’m lucky I’ll get a watching brief on my posts from Nadia as well.
C@tmomma can’t see anything past her rusted on Labor goggles. Sad really.
Hoffy, (nick name given to an old school friend of mine also call Hoffman)….nothing weird about me…
The Great Middle Australia is a myth that Liberals like to enhance. In actually fact, the demographics are moving against the LNP – and have been for some time -with most of the solid Babyboomer vote (strongly LNP) literally dying out and and younger generation who see the Liberals as a joke at present and not offering their vote to the likes of Dutton.
Your comment about “Labor being the champion of the workers” speaks volumes about your -dare I say it – out of date view of modern Labor.
I would propose that a huge number of Australians are “workers” – some of whom are Labor supporters and some not….As I noted, a quaint view of modern Labour – one dredged up from a time when we actually had factories in this country which made things.
We may have some ground for agreement as far as the Greens are concerned. Their hearts are often in the right place but their politics is one of thwarting Labor from the left in some instances.
Last election I voted Labor, put Coalition down the very bottom with ON/Family first. I’m not alone in my distaste for the treasonous selling out of middle Australia by Albo. He never mentioned he was going to flood the country with 500k+ migrants who would completely f the housing market. If anything he and Keneally insinuated they would put Australians first. Then this is what he does. Disgraceful. The next election will be fought on this issue alone.
Unfortunately the younger generation continually vote Greens/Labor whose policies absolute smash them economically.
Philip Seymour Hoffman says:
Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 6:00 pm
Boerwar, why don’t you debate me on the facts….’
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FMD. I listed the facts. I will repeat them in case you missed them the first time.
It is good to see Labor reframing IR relations with the balance tilted towards ordinary workers.
It is good to see Labor going in to bat for aged care workers gaining a 15% increase in wages.
Similarly, it was good to see Labor going in to bat on wage cases for the ordinary workers.
Similarly, it is good to see Labor criminalizing super and wage theft.
It is not unexpected that various ideologues simply ignore these facts because they do not fit their extremist theories.
You want the facts?
The Corrupt Coalition wrecks the joint.
Blocker Bandt joins with Dutton to block every single thing they can.
Labor builds.
“Right back atcha C@tmomma. For context have always voted Greens/Labor but woke up a few years ago.”
Ah, the classic imported American Republican troll technique, the “fake walkaway”, claiming to have left the party while spewing disinformation no-one who was actually a party voter would ever say.
https://old.reddit.com/r/democrats/comments/8uu41x/this_obviously_fake_walkaway_campaign/
Transparent as glass.
Philip Seymour Hoffman says:
Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 6:12 pm
Last election I voted Labor…’
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And oldie and goodie but no potato. Dutton darlings have a problem here. They don’t want a repeat of the fiasco in which they dissed chinese voters from arsehole to breakfast table. But they DO want to astroturf and harvest the nativist xenophobe vote. The problem is not an ethical problem. Dutton and his darlings do not do ethics. They lie with a natural sort of ease.
The problem is how to harvest one lot without pissing off the other lot.
The Coalition wrecks.
Philip Seymour Hoffman @ #745 Tuesday, November 28th, 2023 – 6:12 pm
Were you even alive during the Covid pandemic!?! You know, the one where migration numbers fell off the edge of the earth for 2+ years? Which are bouncing back now and will stabilise once they have recovered their natural equilibrium.
Philip Seymour Hoffman says:
Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 5:48 pm
The only party that seems to have their head screwed on is the Sustainable Australia Party – but unfortunately no one has heard of them.’
Philip, I am a member. Their policy for low annual immigration is similar to that of Sydney Philanthropist Dick Smith.
I guess without any big fossil fuel donations to run a well funded election campaign, that the Liberal, Labor and National Parties have, their exposure to the general public is low.
These donations are essential to these parties. So won’t see fossil fuel exploration licenses stopped any time soon.
And I remember Shorten before the May 2019 election saying not allowing the Adani coal mine in Queensland to proceed would result in sovereign risk. Meaning no multinational would want to invest in Australia.
Of course many enjoy low or no tax when mining/drilling for our resources.
MacroBusiness
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au › …
Energy cartel Australia’s biggest tax dodger
Leith van Onselen
Tuesday, 30 May 2023
The latest national accounts showed that the energy cartel (gas and coal) is making war profits, with mining profits exceeding the profits of all other industries combined….
Businesses needs, including immigration to provide labour for them, is paramount for Shorten and Albanese.